McDonalds Vs fat gits with no willpower

[Steve6]

Originally Posted by GDW

No. That's a secret.

So I could be eating anything then? A bit like McDonalds. Yuk!!!!!!!

[GDW]

Originally Posted by Steve6

So I could be eating anything then? A bit like McDonalds. Yuk!!!!!!!

Ronald is not happy.

[Steve6]

Originally Posted by GDW

Ronald is not happy.

He shouldn't be happy. He makes people fat and his food is junk.

[daveake]

People make themselves fat by eating too much.

[Steve6]

Originally Posted by daveake

People make themselves fat by eating too much.

When you add stuff to food to make them addictive, that's not the persons fault it's the manufacturers. I agree it's a persons fault for eating to much, but how can you stop if you're addicted?

[RadioMaster]

discipline?

[Steve6]

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

discipline?

For some people it's impossible. I tried myself for years, and I wasn't able to. It took me 3 months to become disciplined. But still people shouldn't have to be so cautious if they didn't riddle the food with filth.

[Evil One]

If it only took three months then it wasn't impossible. You chose to eat food riddled with filth, there are plenty of non-filth riddled alternatives.

[The Flying Mouse]

Split from post your thoughts.

I personally despair when McDonalds can be taken to court for "making someone fat"
It's just another way that people refuse to take responsibility for themselves.
Yes, i'm a fat git, yes it's fault.
I won't be taking Col. Sanders to court any time soon, even though his chicken is very nice

[Steve6]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Split from post your thoughts.

I personally despair when McDonalds can be taken to court for "making someone fat"
It's just another way that people refuse to take responsibility for themselves.
Yes, i'm a fat git, yes it's fault.
I won't be taking Col. Sanders to court any time soon, even though his chicken is very nice

I agree people do have to take responsibility, but if this addictive junk food wasn't available in the first place then there would be no problems. The Coca Cola company gets away with drugging people every single year, and nothing happens to them. Caffeine should be banned forever and so should nicotine. I have no problems with food, I have an issue with some of the stuff that goes into it.

[Evil One]

If you got your way fat people would be overdosing on carrots and demanding they be banned. It is far easier to pass the buck than take personal responsibility. I enjoy the odd KFC and McDonald's and a daily glass of coke. Why should I have this taken away from me because some fat people have no self control?

[Steve6]

Originally Posted by Evil One

If you got your way fat people would be overdosing on carrots and demanding they be banned. It is far easier to pass the buck than take personal responsibility. I enjoy the odd KFC and McDonald's and a daily glass of coke. Why should I have this taken away from me because some fat people have no self control?

Evil One there is nothing wrong with a burger, chips, provided they aren't full of additives and chemicals. But I'll tell you from my own experience, Coca-Cola, Tea, Coffee, Alcohol is toxic stuff man even in small amounts. I wouldn't touch a can of coke if I was paid €100, no chance whatsoever. Caffeine caused me more problems in my life, that I won't even bother getting into it. You may enjoy the odd glass of coke, but for some people like myself it's the match that ignites the bomb. You probaly have no idea what it's like to be addicted to stuff, and how impossible it is to control. I was making myself mentally and physically sick and their was nothing I could do to control it. I made an effort to stop in April because I had to, either that or I was going to die!!! and I was going to die with the way I was going. I suffered right through the whole summer. I got four flu's in the space of 3 months, I was always shattered tired, always felt sick....I was off my head, I was crazy, and no one could deal with me. Withdrawal is the hardest challenge you'll ever encounter. I couldn't do one task in the whole day, I couldn't focus. I'm five months on a clean diet, I'm no long addicted to anything, and my whole personality is changing, my whole way of thinking is changing. I'm sleeping better than I have ever been. I'm not fully right though, but I'm improving all the time.
You will turn to me and "well it's your own fault". Some of it is, but I went to my doctor last year, and I discussed with him if my problems were related to my diet and if Coca Cola and stuff like that is causing the problems. He shook his head and dismissed it right away. I'm telling you one thing Evil One the whole anti depressant thing is a joke, ADHD, depression, anxiety, it's all connected to your diet. All this talk about a natural chemical imbalance in the brain is rubbish. Alcohol Companies, Coca Cola, Nestle, Cadburys, and many others are driving people mad with their products.
It was only when I cut off all that stuff that I started getting better!!!!! But ohhh no the doctors, and the psychiatrists brush that under the carpet, and tell you the drugs are your only solution. It makes me sick!!!!!!!!!

[CarylB]

It's not rubbish. There are many reasons why people suffer from anxiety or depression. Just because you have decided that you have an addictive problem, why should the many people who can enjoy the list of items you would have banned, and enjoy them in moderation, be prevented from having them?

Alcohol in moderation harms no-one. I don't particularly like McDonalds and rarely eat their burgers .. but if they're the only place open, a cheeseburger on occasions isn't going to damage my health. I have no significant reaction to caffeine in moderation either. Don't suffer headaches if I drink a lot of coffee one day .. nor suffer any symptoms if another day I have none at all. If I did I'd simply avoid caffeinated drinks and drink decaff coffee. I enjoy chocolate .. love it in fact .. but can say no to it. I loathe cola drinks so avoid them like the plague .. simply because I don't like the taste.

As Evil says .. people need to take responsibility. The majority shouldn't need to have their options restricted for the minority, and the majority are not being driven insane by the foods you mention. As for the "additives" you keep suggesting are in McDonalds, I do not believe they are adding some wicked chemical. It's true that their foods are known to be high on the glycemic index, and most people now know that such foods tend to mae us think we want to eat again too soon .. but we need to remember that if we have eaten we do not need to eat again until a reasonable interval has passed. Back to personal responsibility and education. Their sales strategies are less than helpful, but that's not a chemical issue.

On another thread you have said you eat meat and cheese. Fair enough, but these can contribute to ill-health if over-induged in, particularly cheese which is high in fat, and red meat which is harder for our systems to digest .. should we ban these too because they can contribute to obesity if some cannot control the amount they eat? Ban salt because those with high blood pressure should avoid it?

Well done for conquering your addictions .. but please don't foist their dangers on the world at large.

Caryl

[Steve6]

Originally Posted by CarylB

It's not rubbish. There are many reasons why people suffer from anxiety or depression. Just because you have decided that you have an addictive problem, why should the many people who can enjoy the list of items you would have banned, and enjoy them in moderation, be prevented from having them?

Not only did I have an addictive problems, I had severe anxiety and despression, and I didn't decide I had it, I did have it. If people have no reaction to caffeine or any sort of stimulant that's fine. But you have millions of people popping pills everyday, children being unnecessary put on Ritalin. Loads of people walking around with bad depression, and mental problems wondering why? They go the doctor like I did and get lied to and mistreated. For those people it's very simple caffeine should be a no go area, so should nicotine and alcohol. You can sit behind your computer and criticize everything I wrote because you never suffered from any mental problems, because of this stuff. You are one of the lucky ones who gets away with consuming drugs on a regular basis which is what caffeine and alcohol is.

What makes me angry, is what the likes of doctors, psychiatrists, and drug companies get away with. I mean the cause of mental problems is soley dietary in my opinion. I've had it for years, and was told it was in my head, and I guarantee you Caryl there are millions of people out there who are told the same thing. I was sent to counsellors, I talked to loads of people. nothing work. I cut out the stimulants, and alcohol and for the first time in 8 years I've started to get better. If I had listened to the psychiatrists, I was finished. Lock me in a mental hospital and throw away the key. It's very hard for me to explain stuff like this to you, because you have no interest in it, and never suffered from anything like I said before. But there are people out there who know exactly what I'm talking about, and will agree 100% with what I'm saying.

[cujo]

Steve - I feel for the problems you have had, and I know others who have similar problems and are struggling to see a way out - but if we blame MacDonalds for obesity where do we stop. I am addicted to Meat Loaf concerts, and now (in my early forties) I have almost permanent ringing in my ears - is Meat to blame - well no I am as it was my choice to go to so many concerts. Where does it stop?
I am pleased you found your way out of your problems, but if everything that is potentially dangerous to us is banned our world would become a miserable place.

[daveake]

Steve, the fact that you happen to be highly sensitive to certain ingredients doesn't make restaurants or food producers responsible for your problem.

To an extent I do agree with you that those people should do more to make their food more healthy. A lot of convenience foods for example are packed with salt, which isn't necessary but is a very cheap constituent. I have kidney problems which means I have to maintain a low salt diet so things like that are out, and I keep restaurant meals and takeaways to a minimum. I do hope that the manufacturers will start making their foods more healthy (less salt, fat and sugar) but the only real solution is in the hands of the consumer - eat healthy foods.

Education is important. In my case (like yours I guess) that only came after a doctor's diagnosis (high blood pressure leading to heart and kidney damage). It's a family thing as father and younger brother have similar problems. Anyway, my weekly shop is vastly different these days with lots more fruit and veg, unprocessed meat and virtually nothing where the manufacturing process has given them a chance to put salt in. Eating this way means I can indulge in the occasional McDonalds or (far far better) Burger King.

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by Steve6

Not only did I have an addictive problems, I had severe anxiety and despression, and I didn't decide I had it, I did have it. If people have no reaction to caffeine or any sort of stimulant that's fine. But you have millions of people popping pills everyday, children being unnecessary put on Ritalin. Loads of people walking around with bad depression, and mental problems wondering why? They go the doctor like I did and get lied to and mistreated. For those people it's very simple caffeine should be a no go area, so should nicotine and alcohol. You can sit behind your computer and criticize everything I wrote because you never suffered from any mental problems, because of this stuff. You are one of the lucky ones who gets away with consuming drugs on a regular basis which is what caffeine and alcohol is.

I was diagnosed with ADHD about six years ago and was offered Ritalin but refused it as I didn't like the idea of taking tablets. Just after I was diagnosed I read something from another adult with ADHD that said that instead of taking Ritalin (which is a stimulant) they used caffeine to increase their concentration to allow them to function at a sensible level. It takes time to work out how much you can take but once you know, you can limit your intake of caffeine. Is this person addicted? I don't know but if they believe it helps them then fair enough, that's their decision.

I tried this person's suggestion myself after I kept getting into trouble at work for 'wandering off' but since I started doing this I noticed that I was lot more anxious than I used to be and I decided that whilst it worked for this other person, it clearly wasn't working for me so I started cutting down.
I drink decaff tea and coffee now but it's not always easy as some places just don't sell it but you get to know the kind of places that don't and you either avoid them or drink something else.

I think people's tolerance to addictive substances varies on the individual and whilst I don't smoke, drink alcohol or caffeine, I'm not going to stop someone else from doing so.

[Wario]

I've made so many more polls then steve and god combined and not one of my polls has ever had posts this long before.... I now have a whole new level of respect for Steve

as for me: ITS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT YOU EAT DIS

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Steve6

Not only did I have an addictive problems, I had severe anxiety and despression, and I didn't decide I had it, I did have it. If people have no reaction to caffeine or any sort of stimulant that's fine.

I said you had decided that your diet might be responsible for depression and anxiety (which latter I never suggested you did not have) in the sense "you came to the conclusion". Never suggested it was on a whim.

You can sit behind your computer and criticize everything I wrote because you never suffered from any mental problems, because of this stuff. You are one of the lucky ones who gets away with consuming drugs on a regular basis which is what caffeine and alcohol is.

I merely disagreed with your apparent stance that McDonalds are putting something any more sinister in their burgers etc than foods which are harmful if consumed to excess, and that a range of foodstuffs should be banned because a minority suffer from what you term mental problems.

What makes me angry, is what the likes of doctors, psychiatrists, and drug companies get away with.

I can see you were and are angry.

I mean the cause of mental problems is soley dietary in my opinion.

That I strongly disagree with. There are many root causes of depression and anxiety, just as there are to other psychological problems. To suggest that the only problem is diet is ludicrous imo, and casts aside so many other causes, from bereavement or catastrophe to abuse.

It's very hard for me to explain stuff like this to you, because you have no interest in it, and never suffered from anything like I said before.

Sorry, but you know very little about me or my life experiences, next to nothing in fact, so that's a rather arrogantly dismissive statement at worst, over simplistic at best. You say I have no interest in "stuff like this"? Wrong. You say I have never experienced anything like this? Wrong again. I have experienced acute depression; it was not caused by anything to do with my diet. I had to deal with the root causes and fight my own way out of it. I have had friends who did the same who I have helped. I have a relative who has suffered from bi-polar disorder most of her life, who without the drugs you so casually dismiss as some kind of evil, would probably not be alive today.

I agree that some psychlogical conditions can be due to chemicals; children's behavioural responses to certain E numbers for eg, or their responses to poor diet. I agree with Jamie Oliver 100% that school meals need to be of the type and quality that encourage attentiveness and discourage obesity. But not all symptoms of ACDH can be laid at the door of what they consume, and children's diet is a responsibility of their parents also. And the fact is that the majority of people will not have adverse reactions to the foodstuffs you call to be banned as long as they exercise restraint and moderation, and ultimately it's down to education and the fact that we all have to take responsibility.

I congratulated you for dealing with your own addictive issues, but like Stuart, I think that our world would be a sad place if everything that posed a problem to anyone was removed from it.

Caryl

[AndyK]

Originally Posted by cujo

I have almost permanent ringing in my ears - is Meat to blame - well no I am as it was my choice to go to so many concerts.

Isn't the ringing Chelle talking to you?

[24K]

Originally Posted by AndyK

Isn't the ringing Chelle talking to you?

LOL...maybe i am bad for his health ? But he would have a very boring life without me
I personally think that we are all responsible for our own bodies and what we do to them. Its called willpower, i love my caffeine and have been known to have a 10 shot espresso. I have minimum 4 shots in one go as soon as i get out of bed. I suffer no ill effects from this at all, if i did i would have to give it up. I was on a low potassium and low phosphate diet for many years, not through choice, but to live i stuck to this diet. Now i don't have to, so i don't need the will power, i lapsed on one occasion and well lets just say i never did it again. But that was my fault, no one else's, i knew what i was doing. Same as people know if they shove a fuc,king huge processed burger down their throats that perhaps that isn't the healthiest thing to do. Its about choice, if you are addicted to anything and don't want to be i suggest using some self control. A lot of societys problems are caused by people wanting to pass the buck, oh its not my fault...well no it is ! you have a CHOICE !
I am addicted to nothing, cos what i choose is what i am happy with, whether it might be the healthiest thing, i don't give a fuc,k cos its my body ! Oh i forgot i am addicted to Meat concerts i am a bit deaf, maybe i could sue ? its not my fault Meat made me get addicted to his music

[cujo]

Originally Posted by AndyK

Isn't the ringing Chelle talking to you?

I knew I'd get a comment like that as soon as I posted, and why am I not surprised its you Andy. All I can say is that I couldn't possibly comment!!

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

I've made so many more polls then steve and god combined and not one of my polls has ever had posts this long before.... I now have a whole new level of respect for Steve

Well, you would do if he had posted the poll

[daveake]

Originally Posted by 24K

A lot of societys problems are caused by people wanting to pass the buck, oh its not my fault...well no it is ! you have a CHOICE !

Absolutely. It's never someone's fault that they are fat - it's the food or their metabolism or anything else aside from the simple truth that they eat too much. So we get fat gits like this slob lodging law suits:

Gregory Rhymes, 15, has eaten at McDonald's almost every day since the age of six. His Macaholic addiction has taken his weight to 400lbs, although he is only 5ft 6in tall. 'I normally order the Big Mac, fries, icecream or shake - I like to Super Size my orders,' he said. Gregory has developed diabetes.

If he wants someone to blame, he should try his mother:

Rhymes' mother, Ruth, claims that she would not have let her son gorge himself if she had known the food contained such high levels of fat, cholesterol and salt. 'I always believed McDonald's food was healthy for my son,' she said.

The only thing they should put the blame on is the Stupidity gene, because they both have it. As does this guy:



He sued the neighbour whose fence broke his leg. He lost the case. He also lost his foot. Serves the f*cker right.

Dave

[24K]

Well said Dave ! The mother should be done for child abuse ! Cos she has given her kid a death sentence ! The stupid, ignorant tw@t !

Yep serves the numb tw@t's right !or was it left LOL...