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wolfy35
16 Sep 2007, 11:28
Sorry about this but I am so incensed about this I just had to post to vent my anger!!!
Have been viewing wezzie's ( She is the mod on .net for those who dont know her ) myspace page and was really p****d off to see that she has the cross stitch pics that Ali (Firefly) and Chris ( Clpmss ) have worked so hard on displayed on her page.
This really annoyed me because I know that she has not asked permission to use the pics, neither has she credited Ali or Chris as the people responsible for creating these works. Anyone viewing this page could easily think that wezzie is responsible for the pics the way they are displayed.
Are there no rules about using pics in this way?
Sorry about this but I am so incensed about this I just had to post to vent my anger!!!
Have been viewing wezzie's ( She is the mod on .net for those who dont know her ) myspace page and was really p****d off to see that she has the cross stitch pics that Ali (Firefly) and Chris ( Clpmss ) have worked so hard on displayed on her page.
This really annoyed me because I know that she has not asked permission to use the pics, neither has she credited Ali or Chris as the people responsible for creating these works. Anyone viewing this page could easily think that wezzie is responsible for the pics the way they are displayed.
Are there no rules about using pics in this way?
Not unless they can prove they are their copyright, and they are the original owners of said material. I think that is how it works. :D
Monstro
16 Sep 2007, 12:13
Please excuse my limited knowledge but I think that if you don't actually say not to reproduce a picture then it's open to all to use, check out how AndyK shows his pictures on this site with a watermark.
Minor point I know but in the interest of harmony should the thread not read "dodgy dealings on Myspace"?
Saying that, I know how much work went into those cross stitch pics and how long they took and I agree that it's not fair for someone else to display pics of them without a credit for the sore fingered Ali andChris!!!!!!!!
Out of politeness she should have asked and I'd be annoyed if any of my artwork pics ended up on a MySpace without permission, but as Michael says if they're not watermarked in anyway and at no point it's been requested that they're not used elsewhere then they're free to be used...
I absolutely agree that someone should have been asked if nothing but for the sake of politeness, but in terms of breaking rules etc there really isn't anything wrong
If anyone has an issue with their pictures being posted on another site then they should take it up with the person who has posted them directly and not here.
It is common practise to ask the "owner" of the pictures for permission before you reproduce them elsewhere, but to come on here and kick off about a site that isn't even involved directly is out of order. This issue is nothing at all to do with .net.
Thread title changed to reflect the true topic of the discussion.
meatloaf-unofficial
16 Sep 2007, 15:05
from experience with meatloaf unofficial website, as some of you may know.... If your using pics on any iste that aren't yours then you need permission. When I first started the site, I din't know much about copyright but I do now - believe me! and got told of by a few people for using their pics without their permission.
One thing also, I think if you don't ask permisson you could at least give them credit for it, don't you think?
AndrewG
16 Sep 2007, 15:51
I don't see what the big deal is to be honest. Most of the times the pictures that are posted on the net have been resized making it virtually impossible to make nice prints of the pictures. And so what if someone else uses your picture? Giving credit I agree is morally correct but you cannot expect to be able to teach everybody on the internet what is right and what is wrong.
Working years on a movie / music album and then seeing a free download link I would have thought is a lot more frustrating than a couple of pictures you've probably spent 5 seconds on to make. If people are so worried about their pictures getting used elsewhere you should not post them. Posting them here is already preventing a lot of reuse as you can only get to them by being a member of mlukfc anyway, so I guess if people were still to do it the mods could ban them and they are right to that as it's their site.
I posted a picture of Meat Loaf on stage from Glasgow 04 (taken on stage) here without the photographer's permission tbut I tried several times to get in touch and ask him if it was okay and if I could get/buy a full size picture from him. He never replied. So does that mean I am not allowed to post it and thus prevent several (eventually) delighted fans of Meat Loaf to never see that?
Moved. The "cross stitch" thread is in here as well.
Please excuse my limited knowledge but I think that if you don't actually say not to reproduce a picture then it's open to all to use, check out how AndyK shows his pictures on this site with a watermark.
That is not the case.
In the case of a photo for example, whoever takes the photo owns the copyright. It doesn't matter whether or not you add a watermark or say that it can not be reproduced, the legal position is that a photo and the photo's copyright belongs to the person who took the photo.
Of course it's not so easy to prove a photo is yours if you do not have a copyright mark on it but the legal position is that you do not have to have one to establish copyright.
Monstro
17 Sep 2007, 01:18
Like I said, limited knowledge lol
duke knooby
17 Sep 2007, 01:20
That is not the case.
In the case of a photo for example, whoever takes the photo owns the copyright.
but what if the owner of the photo posts the picture on an open forum, with no instructions not to use said photo elsewhere? just a thought
Here's an official website that might help - http://www.ipo.gov.uk/whatis.htm and the page about automatic protection is at http://www.ipo.gov.uk/copy/c-claim/c-auto.htm
but what if the owner of the photo posts the picture on an open forum, with no instructions not to use said photo elsewhere? just a thought
It doesn't matter. The person who took the photo legally owns the copyright and has the right to say where and if it can be posted elsewhere.
Pudding
17 Sep 2007, 06:34
What if someone took a photo at a concert but the concert organisers clearly states no photography? In that case, wouldn't the organisers have copyright on all photo's taken not the person taking the photo?
Pud :twisted:
Blackkat13
17 Sep 2007, 07:59
A few of my drawnings are on a few photo sites but the people who run the sites have asked me if they could post them. If you drawn something, created something, or taken a picture you own the copyrights to it. It is yours unless you read the copyright laws on youtube. BTW she should at least give credit to those who have made the cross stitch pictures since they are not hers but others.
What if someone took a photo at a concert but the concert organisers clearly states no photography? In that case, wouldn't the organisers have copyright on all photo's taken not the person taking the photo?
Pud :twisted:
No, the owner of the photo (the person who took the photo) has the copyright.
Otherwise all the paparazzi photos which are taken without permission wouldn't belong to them and they do.
Of course at a concert they can remove you if you take a photo and probably have the right to get you to remove the photo from your camera but that's something else and not copyright law.
Pudding
17 Sep 2007, 12:18
So, if I was invited into your house for dinner and took a picture of you naked peeling potatoes, the copyright of the pictures taken are mine and you couldn't do a thing about it, even though you may have strictly requested me not to? And the next day, I could sell those pictures on Ebay and you still couldn't do a thing about it because I had the copyright, is that correct?
Pud :twisted:
AndrewG
17 Sep 2007, 12:32
:))
RadioMaster
17 Sep 2007, 12:33
limited knowlegde about this, but:
isnt there something like the right of the own picture? That you can demand what to happen with any picture taken of you. (There was a pretty big lawsuit about some european queen (princess? I dont know who exactly it was about) going on a few years ago) So as long as youre not a person of public interest you can demand the pictures not being sold on ebay BUT the copyright would still be yours.
Am I right here?
So, if I was invited into your house for dinner and took a picture of you naked peeling potatoes, the copyright of the pictures taken are mine and you couldn't do a thing about it, even though you may have strictly requested me not to? And the next day, I could sell those pictures on Ebay and you still couldn't do a thing about it because I had the copyright, is that correct?
Pud :twisted:
I'd say that peeling potatoes naked could be much more dangerous than just an implied threat of your picture taken like that...
Hypnobabe
17 Sep 2007, 16:34
So, if I was invited into your house for dinner and took a picture of you naked peeling potatoes, the copyright of the pictures taken are mine and you couldn't do a thing about it, even though you may have strictly requested me not to? And the next day, I could sell those pictures on Ebay and you still couldn't do a thing about it because I had the copyright, is that correct?
Pud :twisted:
:bleh: You been round my house again, Pud?
:bleh: You been round my house again, Pud?
:pics:
Hypnobabe
17 Sep 2007, 16:41
Now darling, you know they're private between us two, and not for posting on a public forum...
:bleh: You been round my house again, Pud?
:pics:
You checked ebay recently? :p
So, if I was invited into your house for dinner and took a picture of you naked peeling potatoes, the copyright of the pictures taken are mine and you couldn't do a thing about it, even though you may have strictly requested me not to? And the next day, I could sell those pictures on Ebay and you still couldn't do a thing about it because I had the copyright, is that correct?
Pud :twisted:
Leaving aside the fact that touching potatoes makes me ill so that would never happen(!), you are confusing the laws of privacy and the laws of copyright.
You would own the copyright to the photo but I'm pretty sure (although I haven't checked) that I could prevent you from publishing and profiting from the photos under privacy laws.
I'd say that for the sake of avoiding confusion and annoying people in future why not just clearly watermark any pics posted :up:
Hypnobabe
17 Sep 2007, 20:53
I'd say that for the sake of avoiding confusion and annoying people in future why not just clearly watermark any pics posted :up:
And make sure you're fully clothed when peeling potatoes :lmao:
Pudding
18 Sep 2007, 04:43
I think everyone should cook in the nude at least once in their life :saint: Men should stay away from peeling carrots in the nude though :shock:
Pud :twisted:
I'd say that for the sake of avoiding confusion and annoying people in future why not just clearly watermark any pics posted :up:
Or maybe just don't bother sharing if it causes all this hassle lol.
I for one find it very time consuming to not only have to resize, fotoshop 200 plus pictures a show. Then to have to upload them, or in my case make a webpage or two for each show. Then to have to do a page on here and all the other sites with them on. To then have to watermark them as well, takes even longer and drives me insane. it actually takes me over 12 hrs to do the pictures for just one show alone.
Surely common sense should just tell people that if someone posts personal pictures on a fan forum or fansite then they aren't exactly up for posting all over the net as their own :? And why would people even want to?
This is a problem thats been going on for yrs.
Thats my rant over lol
RadioMaster
18 Sep 2007, 13:56
My opinion (and I'm obviously the only one) is that I dont care who uses them.
I dont watermark my pictures and I dont care who's reposting what on which page.
I see that people who put a lot of effort into taking pictures/editing/uploading want credit for their work, that's understandable, but I just take pictures to show them to the people who are interested in them, and that's all I care about.
If I only uploaded 1 or 2 pics a tour I woudln't give a rats arse either :-)
But 200 plus pics x 22 shows so far this tour alone. A little thank you and not haivng them stolen wouldn't go a miss ;)
At the end of the day we're all just posting them to share with others who want to see them. Doesn't mean we want them passed off as other peoples :lol:
Or passed off for profit either for that matter :evil:
Yeah that one as well - i've had that happen to me by a forum member on here. But don;t get me started on that one again lol. In fact there's another one who;s started doing the same lately. You know who you are :twisted: (and so do I ;) )
My opinion (and I'm obviously the only one) is that I dont care who uses them.
I dont watermark my pictures and I dont care who's reposting what on which page.
I see that people who put a lot of effort into taking pictures/editing/uploading want credit for their work, that's understandable, but I just take pictures to show them to the people who are interested in them, and that's all I care about.
Same here...
I wouldn't take anybody else's picture intentionally for profit or otherwise but I don't care if anybody takes my posted picture...I figure that's what I took them for - to share...
I dont care if anyone takes my pictures, sticks them on their hard drives / walls / bedroom ceiling / dartboard / boyfriend/girlfriends/hubbys/wifes heads...... I do care if they sell them or pass them off as their own though ;)
I dont care if anyone takes my pictures, sticks them on their hard drives / walls / bedroom ceiling / dartboard / boyfriend/girlfriends/hubbys/wifes heads...... I do care if they sell them or pass them off as their own though ;)
Oh...that's what we're talking about...yeah, that is just not right to pass somebody else's work as yours...in any case...
It's the common courtesy issue ...
If you want to use someone elses picture for any reason (especially when the reson is to post it elsewhere online), then it's common courtesy and politeness to ask. Most don't have a problem with this, especially if credit is given where it's due.
If you want to sell someones pictures for personal gain then it's common courtesy and politeness to jump off the nearest tall building.
duke knooby
18 Sep 2007, 18:15
MISQUOTE ALERT... i've been messing again
It's the common courtesy issue ...
If you want to use someone elses picture (songs)for any reason (especially when the reason is to post it elsewhere online (or make an album)), then it's common courtesy and politeness to ask. Most don't have a problem with this, especially if credit is given where it's due.
Otherwise get a really good lawyer, case and settlement :twisted:
:whistle: i did try to resist :pray: and back on topic.....
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