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Did anyone see Rhydian's attempt at AFL on the X-Factor tonight.
I'm with Sharon on this one. I don't like the guy personally, arrogance is not appealing. Don't get me wrong, he has a great voice. I guess I am just biased. No-one can do Meat Loaf but Meat Loaf!!!
meatloaf-unofficial
20 Oct 2007, 21:33
true.. I think he's good as in singing and clearly knows what he wants to achieve in the sense he comes over to be like a pro.
It was good to see him do a meat Loaf song. It shows he likes to take chances and challenge himself at singing a very emotional yet hard song to perform.
Hope this makes sence, it does to me...lol...
I would like him to do maybe something from phantom, I think he has the voice, alot of depth and would be bale to sustain something like that.
Ross
tinkerbell
21 Oct 2007, 00:02
Yes I seen it and he changed the words....i will....instead of..... I would... He tried but nobody has a voice like meatloaf.
Roll on Wembley and BELFAST..
AndrewG
21 Oct 2007, 00:34
Yes but no one has a voice like Rhydian either. Why bring up the subject if you are going to make biased statements like "no-one does Meat Loaf like Meat Loaf"?! Rhydian or no other on the show said that he was trying to sound like Meat Loaf at all. If Meat can sing cover songs why can't anybody else?
I thought it was one of the best attempts at a Meat Loaf song I've seen on the X factor period and the set and backing music were quite respectfully done I think and I also agree with Simon Cowell that it was easily the best performance of the show. BTW if you want arrogance I think Simon has it a lot more than Rhydian. I definitly think Rhydian will do "Phantom of the Opera" in the next few shows, possibly next week as it's movie songs they're doing.
Sapphire Lady
21 Oct 2007, 01:29
But why on earth did he change the words? It makes no sense whatsoever. Why did he choose to sing "will" instead of "would"? Totally bizarre :?
AndrewG
21 Oct 2007, 03:05
But why on earth did he change the words? It makes no sense whatsoever. Why did he choose to sing "will" instead of "would"? Totally bizarre :?
I think that makes perfect sense if you consider he's probably not a Meat Loaf/Jim Steinman fanatic and either him or someone from the show got the words wrong when editing it down. I don't think it's hard getting words wrong if you don't use a karaoke machine. And probably once they are on a paper and practicing the song 50 times or so it would always be wrong I guess.
I actualy didn't notice this word mess up at all, well done for spotting that though.
BTW thought Sharon acted very childish on this show. She comes across as a spoilt brat imo. She's getting paid (quite well) to sit there and judge some stuff for a couple of hours a week and we have to sympathise with all this over dramatized stuff?! I thought she would be a bit more mature about the situation if you think about all the nasty stuff she's been through in her life. That is what makes no sense whatsoever to me. Will she really leave? Surely that is breach of the contract.
Pudding
21 Oct 2007, 09:09
Yes but no one has a voice like Rhydian either. Why bring up the subject if you are going to make biased statements like "no-one does Meat Loaf like Meat Loaf"?! Rhydian or no other on the show said that he was trying to sound like Meat Loaf at all. If Meat can sing cover songs why can't anybody else?
Totally agree. And perhaps not sounding like Meat Loaf is a good thing in the long run for this Rhydian's career, if he has one in the music business that is.
Pud :twisted:
BTW thought Sharon acted very childish on this show. She comes across as a spoilt brat imo. She's getting paid (quite well) to sit there and judge some stuff for a couple of hours a week and we have to sympathise with all this over dramatized stuff?! I thought she would be a bit more mature about the situation if you think about all the nasty stuff she's been through in her life. That is what makes no sense whatsoever to me. Will she really leave? Surely that is breach of the contract.
I agree, she comes across very arrogant herself, and very stuck up, IMHO. :D
djfierce
21 Oct 2007, 11:42
ok it wasn't to my liking but to be fair he didnt sing it out of tune or anything, i just didnt like that version.
Sharon is becoming very childish...but with another female on the board i guess she has to do something to keep all the attention :roll:
meatloaf-unofficial
21 Oct 2007, 12:03
It is like the Judges said " You either like him or hate him" and I think he will do very well, he knows how to give a performance in that what; 3-5 mins they have....
All about catching the voter's eyes...
AndrewG
21 Oct 2007, 13:20
All about catching the voter's eyes...
..and ears
Sapphire Lady
21 Oct 2007, 13:34
I think that makes perfect sense if you consider he's probably not a Meat Loaf/Jim Steinman fanatic and either him or someone from the show got the words wrong when editing it down. I don't think it's hard getting words wrong if you don't use a karaoke machine. And probably once they are on a paper and practicing the song 50 times or so it would always be wrong I guess.
I find it hard to believe that a programme like the X factor would make such a basic mistake and get the lyrics wrong of a very well known song. They will have all the music, lyrics etc at their disposal. Even if one peron did make a mistake surely one of the vast array of advisers, production team etc would have noticed? On saying that I can't think of a logical explanation for changing "I would do anything" to "I will do anything" :?
Renegade Angel
21 Oct 2007, 13:47
Meat Loaf often gets the words wrong to his own songs!
It may well have been a deliberate change to the lyrics for the purposes of the show. We'll never really know.
Whilst any "cover" of a Meat Loaf song isn't going to sound 100% right to me, (and I'd imagine to everyone else registered here) it was really the perfect choice of song for Rhydian last night, suiting his voice perfectly. It'll be interesting to hear what other songs they give him over the coming weeks, hopefully they'll steer clear of some of the other more obvious choices and take a few more risks to brighten an otherwise dull show up. None of the finalists have that mythical X Factor IMO, and whilst he may come across as an arrogant bloke, like him or loathe him Rhydian is the only contestant with something that makes him stand out from everyone else.
djfierce
21 Oct 2007, 19:04
yep, true! I don't think i can say that i actually 'liked' any of them, it could have been his choice to change that word, maybe he felt more compfortable with it, people change the lyrics to cover songs all the time to suit their 'way' of singing it. Just changing that one word makes the whole lyric sound totally different imo so he may have felt that it sounded better that way given his voice and the delivery of it. But as Andy says we will never know the truth now ;)
Sapphire Lady
21 Oct 2007, 20:05
But as Andy says we will never know the truth now ;)
Unless we e-mail the X-Factor and ask them :mrgreen: I've done this - might not get a reply of course.
Oh dear that was my first time!! I'm sorry that was awful!!
DIZZY DRUMMER
21 Oct 2007, 21:20
He can sing - no disputing that - But at Meat song - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Sorry I hated it. All I can see him doing is opera with whatever song he does. Give him a sissor sister song & see what he makes of that !!
djfierce
21 Oct 2007, 21:24
Unless we e-mail the X-Factor and ask them :mrgreen:
i really don't see it as that much of an issue, even for a Meat fan, can anyone say for sure that they have never got the lyrics wrong for other songs before, just cos it's a Meat song we noticed it but in the whole scheme of things it's not really important.
He can sing - no disputing that - But at Meat song - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Sorry I hated it. All I can see him doing is opera with whatever song he does. Give him a sissor sister song & see what he makes of that !!
Its all that enunciating i cant be doing with!! Its fine for Liza Minnelli but it just sounded wrong!!
christa
22 Oct 2007, 00:40
Well I thought it was awful!:roll:
I thought he murdered a classic
Everyone to their own, some liked it, some didn't
Pudding
22 Oct 2007, 01:15
Well I thought it was awful!:roll:
I thought he murdered a classic
You talking about Meat Loaf at the Dortmund gig, because I heard that wasn't too flash.
I really don't think changing Will for Would is going to make or break this guys career. It makes me laugh though how some people say (this isn't directed at Christa btw but generally) that you have to look at Meats performance as a whole to fully appreciate it, yet some amature nobody gets one word wrong to a song and he's getting a public flogging....WTF? :wtf:
Pud :twisted:
batcity
22 Oct 2007, 09:17
erm.. weird, weird person... I thought it was bloody awful!!!
djfierce
22 Oct 2007, 09:19
oh dear.... i seem to agree with pud on this :?
ok to put this in real context... nobodoy said G4 were weird or awful when they did rock/pop songs in this style
I think just cos it was a Mest song is blowing it all out of proportion a bit, if it was any other song i doubt ir would have been mentioned, if anyone thinks different then please show me the old G4 murdered loads of great classics thread as i dont think it exists.
I didnt like it but it just wasnt for me, he didnt sing it bad or murder it, it just sounds odd to avid fans of the song who are used to hearing it a certain way.
There were plenty of other performances that night that weren't even in tune let alone a good performance at all.... those songs were TRULY murdered, give the guy a break, he sang it fine and in tune, so it didnt work as a performance, at least he tried something original.
allrevvedup
22 Oct 2007, 09:21
Try singing your favourite song and see if if parts of it are just forgotten or mixed up, never as easy as it seems.
Believe me there are times, when I'm even trying to practice a song that I've sung 20 times in a day and I can still get a word or two wrong.
As for X Factor supposed to have all these lyrics at there fingertips consider this:
1) They have so many people to see
2) They are never going to stop someone and say "wait you mixed up the first and last verse" etc
3) It's cheap TV and they want a reaction good or bad from the people performing.
Got to admit I'm with Pud and Anji on this, we're all avid Meat fans and would more than likely not really like any cover of AFL.
The song is written as a duet, Rhydian performed it solo and made a valiant attempt at it, it was the perfect style of song for him to sing on X Factor on Saturday. He's not had long with the vocal coaches yet, so it'll be interesting to see how hois voice develops over the coming shows and what other songs they give him to sing, if it's movie songs next week, then I just hope they move away from the obvious for him ...
tried to find a clip but youtube just has the guy talking! any clips?
daveake
22 Oct 2007, 12:44
tried to find a clip but youtube just has the guy talking! any clips?
http://daveake.streamlinenettrial.co.uk/dave/Rhydian%20-%20AFL.mp4
X-Factor clips on youtube get deleted pronto, IME ...
Dave
AndrewG
22 Oct 2007, 15:08
I'd rather see people attempting Meat's/Steinman's songs than nothing or even rather than the same washed out Bryan Adams/Whitney Housten stuff you hear over and over again on X Factor. I get this feeling here that people don't like if someone does a Meat Loaf cover, no matter how good/bad it is. Also if someone does a cover then the words need to be 100% correct, the emotion needs to be 100% and he/she needs to look like Meat Loaf. I think that is ridiculous, just because we are fans of Meat's music doesn't mean to say we can dictate who can do what. The General public really don't care that much I think. Even Steinman himself lets other people sing his old songs. I mean it's just a song, it's not as if Rhydian is on tour with the Neverland Express and trying to make everyone forget about Meat Loaf. Jeez.
daveake
22 Oct 2007, 15:17
Absolutely agree Andrew. I don't understand why people are so negative when people cover songs that Meat has sung. And like you I'd like to see more Steinman stuff on these shows and less of the old boring crap that they usually go for.
The Rhydian guy comes across as a jerk but there's no doubting he did a pretty good job of AFL. I didn't see the whole show but IMO only he and Nikki hit the ground running - the others had very nervous and rather poor starts.
Dave
allrevvedup
22 Oct 2007, 15:32
I agree with you Andrew.
The majority of people who audition for the likes of X Factor are only in it for glorified karaoke.
It's very tough to sing a Meat Loaf song that modern audiences will have heard and the majority of said songs will be very long. Which is why it will always be easier for the whitney and Mariah wannabes that can hit the high notes buffet as many times as possible in the space of 3 minutes, because the majority of the time that's what they are looking for.
Sapphire Lady
22 Oct 2007, 21:25
Well I'm just curious to know whether the word change was deliberate or a mistake. Have got an acknowledgment e-mail from the X-factor but no actual reply to the question as yet. I think Rhydian has a very good voice that suits the big dramatic type songs and I'm looking forward to hearing what he sings next week.
As a Meat Loaf fan I thought it was bloody awful...I find it odd to hear someone else singing his lyrics anyway and this guy did nothing to change my opinion.
As a music fan I thought it was bloody awful. AFL was the perfect choice for him as I can't think of anyone but Steinman who has that mix of rock and opera and that's what Rhydian needs, but regardless of his voice or the song, his whole performance was (for me anyway) ruined by the arrogance that oozes from him. I couldn't care less what he sings, the attitude annoys the hell out of me.
And for the record I loved G4! :p
TimboTambo
20 Dec 2007, 21:32
Personally I thought it was pretty awesome. Each to their own of course. Clip below:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3avxi_the-x-factor-rhydian-id-do-anything
wolfy35
21 Dec 2007, 12:55
Never seen the program at all myself, I just feel that if someone has true talent they will either be spotted while out working to persue their choice or they will make it happen theirself by sheer hard work. Lets be honest if this program is anything like any of the others out there 99.9% of the people on it could not sing for toffee and the majority of the program is judges taking pops at them in order to fill in some time on a TV schedule.
If someone has a real talent they will always find a way without having to stoop to being ridiculed by Simon Cowell et al to achieve it wont they.
Finally as far as other people murdering Meat & Jim's songs please carry on, It gives the rest of the world a chance to appreciate just how good Meat is doesnt it!
AndrewG
21 Dec 2007, 17:15
Never seen the program at all myself, I just feel that if someone has true talent they will either be spotted while out working to persue their choice or they will make it happen theirself by sheer hard work. Lets be honest if this program is anything like any of the others out there 99.9% of the people on it could not sing for toffee and the majority of the program is judges taking pops at them in order to fill in some time on a TV schedule.
If someone has a real talent they will always find a way without having to stoop to being ridiculed by Simon Cowell et al to achieve it wont they.
Finally as far as other people murdering Meat & Jim's songs please carry on, It gives the rest of the world a chance to appreciate just how good Meat is doesnt it!
I couldn't disagree more. :lol:
Leona Lewis perhaps?
Paul191
21 Dec 2007, 19:10
I disagree too. Just because the program is shit it doesn't mean the talent isn't real. I don't really watch the show and I don't know who Rhydian is but i do know that thousands of people applied for the x-factor this year and I think it takes sheer guts and determination in order to come out on top. After watching that clip I think it's bollocks that people with real talent don't go on reality tv programs because, as far as I'm concerned, Rhydians voice was shit-hot.
needmoremeat
23 Dec 2007, 19:49
Are you telling me this program has been on since october and has just finished now?!:shock: Talk about too much of a bad thing.
Listening to clip now, he just seems to be trying too hard, and like was previously mentioned, too much enunciating. Never heard this guy sing before, don't give a damn about any of these shows, but at least I suppose he brought Meat to the masses.
Another thing: I wish they would ban females from entering studios like this, all they do is scream at nothing. It's like 'Ooh, he's walking! aaaaah!' as if they've never seen someone walk before.:roll:
djfierce
01 Jan 2008, 19:52
If someone has a real talent they will always find a way without having to stoop to being ridiculed by Simon Cowell et al to achieve it wont they.
that's a lovely idealistic sentiment but unfortunately in this day and age isn't reality....i have seen and closed for many talented acts who just can't find a way in for various reasons...it isn't as simple as if you have talent you will succeed....there are many politics in the music game now. It sucks but unfortunatly is true.
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