Legal action call made over Meat Loaf gig [Archive]

MeatGrl1

07 Nov 2007, 13:49

Q. Why post this?

I was there Wednesday but I am not going to be heartless and cruel and join this, I don't see why people can't accept the fact this was beyond Meat's control. He wanted to continue that was evident when he tried to sing Paradise twice but sadly no sound came out. This artical has left me totally livid personally speaking !!

Wario

07 Nov 2007, 13:58

Wow ..... all they care about is the money not meat. i wonder why they can't understand meat's condition. Be thankful for the 40 mins or so he preformed i say.

Heg19

07 Nov 2007, 14:09

i can't believe it! and to think some of us never got to see him perform at all!

K1ttycat

07 Nov 2007, 14:18

I think that is just a disgrace - think we should all leave positive and supportive comments about Meat after that particular article (surprised there weren't any) and say shame on you! (wiggling my finger at them). Wonder if the guy who is starting this is a member here or on .net.....

Kathryn

MeatGrl1

07 Nov 2007, 14:21

If he is then that is wiorse in my opinion...

bathelmet

07 Nov 2007, 14:44

What an idiot-we should all email him telling him what we think of his idea.

AndrewG

07 Nov 2007, 14:47

What an idiot-we should all email him telling him what we think of his idea.

Well his email address is publically on that article so I would say go for it ;-)

If I could send him a :shit: via email I would.

w1sie

07 Nov 2007, 15:03

Thats a disgrace. It typifies the compensation culture we live in today - look after number 1 and to hell with everyone else - no regard for Meat and what he went through that night. Meat tried so hard to give us a good show despite his obvious suffering.
I'm grateful that we got to see Meat at all even though the show was cut short
It makes me almost ashamed to be a north eastener.
If this idiot goes ahead with this action I wonder if Meat would ever want to come back to the North East. I hope Meat relaises that this is just one a..hole and is not how his true fans feel.

Kathryn

CarylB

07 Nov 2007, 15:10

It's a ridiculous brou ha ha imo .. and the last thing I'd do is email anyone to put them straight. The Northern Echo on-line has been a breeding ground since last week for the disaffected and disgruntled, all whipping themselves into a feeding frenzy. They are all hopping on with comments about him being intoxicated .. utter rubbish .. although I noticed that most of those loudest in their vocally complaining outside the arena that night were falling-down-drunk themselves. I've never seen as many drunks at a Meat concert before .. one guy was falling on his ass every thrid step as he almost crawled down them from the venue.

The "organiser" of this fight won't listen to any of us who were there, who saw a man giving his all before he finally succombed in despair to the paralysis of his vocal chords on stage, and who applauded him for what he managed to give us before he had to leave the stage.

But if this guy receives a load of messages trying to take him to task, (however well intentioned they are), he might seek out Meat sites to have a pop .. and whilst this is a matter for the promoter and insurers to deal with, Meat surely doesn't need such nonsense brought to websites dedicated to him, and where he might be expected to receive simply good wishes, support at a very difficult time, and just see that his fans appreciate him and want to see him back where he belongs, and where he intends to be.

Once a few have the scent of blood they won't be changed by us. Let them get on with it I say .. they don't have a leg to stand on anyway .. but let's keep it away from here and any other sites which support Meat. Doing anything which might draw the disaffected here won't be support.

Caryl

Skeleton

07 Nov 2007, 15:12

I can't belive it.. What kind of a-hole that fella is? :evil:

Kathryn is right.. That b**ch should be grateful that he even saw Meat on stage.. And it's not Meat's fault if he get sick.. :(

I hope he's get well soon and get back on stage when he feels like it.. :D

daveake

07 Nov 2007, 15:29

And it's not Meat's fault if he get sick.. :(

Without wishing to take sides in this, the argument would be that Meat was sick before he got on stage, and whilst I'm sure Meat felt he could get through the entire concert, he must have known there was a chance that he couldn't.

I don't know why everyone's keen on giving this guy such a roasting. He clearly feels he didn't get his money's worth, and if indeed Meat was on stage for less than this 1 hour period that everyone mentions, then he probably has legal backing for a refund.

I don't see what any of that has to do with not being a Meat fan, or not wishing him all the best for his recovery, etc etc. It's the promoter that will be issuing any refunds (and they in turn would claim on their insurance). It's not as if the guy is asking Meat to pay him personally.

Personally I wouldn't ask for a refund, but I can see where he's coming from.

Dave

Gracie

07 Nov 2007, 15:35

Just read it thanks for the link Dave!

I think there's a lot of negativity around in every country these days, I was gutted to hear about Meat Loaf being ill like all of you here. I believe we are all human beings we all make mistakes, and, I am a sensitive girl and, I try to treat people the way I wish to be treated, and, I truely symphathise with the Loaf for putting 100% into his Concert even though he quit during a song, he gave it his best shot, and, if he is unwell, unfortunately yes, he will have to look after number 1, for his own sake, his families sake and for the fans so he can give us all a great performance.

Maybe it could have been handled better, but, as I say no one's perfect there I said it! (hehe!)

Sorry you guys aren't going to any gigs just yet, give him time he will hopefully perform again.

As for refunds, well I'm not a concert goer! (rather buy a Dvd boring I know), but, I suppose you should be entitled to a refund.

I was supposed to see Billy Joel and Elton John a few year's back with my dad (aww! bless), and, they had to cancel, because Billy fell ill, I don't think we got a refund but we did get a written letter back from Elton's Managemnt. So, maybe the tenth Street crew should send out a proper letter or something or publish something on Meat Loaf.net. If there already hasn't been one!

AndyK

07 Nov 2007, 16:07

The guy hasn't got a leg to stand on. His facts are wrong to start with, based on the timestamps on the photos I took that night Meat was on stage for at least 68 minutes. As has been suggested he's not going to listen to anyone telling him that though and emailing him really wont' do anything but fan the flames, I'd suggest we leave well alone.

jayde_meatfan4life

07 Nov 2007, 16:41

but everyone just think about i'm a student and i haven't got that much money i spent £50 on my ticket and of course isn't Meats fault the man isn't having a go at Meat he is on about the arena, and the time he was on he wasn't at his best, i had been looking forward to that night for months and that happened. Like i said it's obviously not Meat's fault but the arena should refund tickets even if it's not the full amount it's no skin off the arena or Meats nose.

AndyK

07 Nov 2007, 16:48

It's nothing to do with the Arena, or Meat. It's the promoters who effectively hire the Arena to stage the show that they have effectively hired Meat to perform.

evil nickname

07 Nov 2007, 16:56

based on the timestamps on the photos I took that night Meat was on stage for at least 68 minutes.

68 minutes for just 6 songs and change?

Break It, Frying Pan, Took The Words, Pigs, Lemon, R&R Dreams and then cut short Paradise (though not in that order)

If the versions played on this leg are close to the versions on the previous tour, then Break It, Took the Words, Pigs and Lemon were rather short, and the other two must have been extended quite significantly. (unless that list is wrong, of course)

AndyK

07 Nov 2007, 17:02

68 minutes for just 6 songs and change?
That's the minimum ... the first pic I took was of Dave luther during All Revved Up and the last was of Meat during the intro to Paradise, but I know I then stood for a while wathcing the rest of the intro to Paradise.

If the versions played on this leg are close to the versions on the previous tour, then Break It, Took the Words, Pigs and Lemon were rather short, and the other two must have been extended quite significantly. (unless that list is wrong, of course)
Deadringer was missing off the list Lucy posted.

ricgough

07 Nov 2007, 17:07

Why is everybody defending Meat when no-one's suggesting he is personally culpable? The problem this guy has seems to be with the promoter and ticketmaster. After all Meat has himself declared himself a 'fan' of a certain songwriter he's been simultaneously legally entangled with.

I've paid hefty prices for concert tickets for other acts doing shorter shows than Meat's and 1h15 isn't an unreasonably short gig, but much has been said in the press and reviews about an 'epic 2hour-plus show', which is what people bought tickets expecting.
Also the Wembley show where his heart condition reared it's ugly head a few years back was rescheduled despite playing a similar length of time.
If anyone invests in a product they don't feel is up to scratch they're entitled to be annoyed, and many will attempt to claim refunds from the people they bought it from.
The article implies that the proposed legal action is directed at 'Kennedy Street Enterprises' not Meat or his management, so I would say it's not really in Meat's hands. I am concrned however, that his reputation is being damaged by this, certainly in the North-East, and this being left unresolved may affect future record/ticket sales in the region. I would suggest that in the long run it's best for both Meat Loaf and the concert goers for a solution to be reached with the promoter
This really is a seperate issue to the Big Man's health which obviously is far more important, and as long as that cyst is harbouring no nasty surprises, I'm sure we'll see him back in RAH-form or better. Get well soon Meat!

evil nickname

07 Nov 2007, 17:08

Deadringer was missing off the list Lucy posted.

Still, looking at the list and going from what I've seen on the previous European leg, I would rather estimate it at, say, 50 minutes.

AndyK

07 Nov 2007, 17:15

But it wasn't 50 minutes, it was over an hour, I'd reckon closer to an hour and a quarter.

evil nickname

07 Nov 2007, 17:23

O, it probably was.

K1ttycat

07 Nov 2007, 17:42

I just read the comments from another article in the aforementioned newspaper and the comments there are really....well...are appalling. Not only does it hurt Meat's reputation and tarnish his image but if anyone reading those comments were non-Meat fans, imagine what people must think the fans are like if one was to base their opinions on those comments. That's why I originally mentioned posting postive comments after todays article (not emailing the lawsuit guy) because surely there are lots more supportive things to say than the accusations and assumptions previously posted there. I think in a way this holds true as with any cause. We can easily write and share postive thoughts comfortably within our own circles but to really make a difference it means taking a chance and sharing with others.

evil nickname

07 Nov 2007, 17:50

Still, looking at the list and going from what I've seen on the previous European leg, I would rather estimate it at, say, 50 minutes.

And then it came to mind that All Coming Back was mentioned, which would make it eight songs and change. I can see the concert reaching 60 minutes now.

dracoden

07 Nov 2007, 18:08

I was at Newcastle, and I had the concert at around 1hr 15.
I dont see how anyone can demand a refund when quite a lot of artist only do 1H30 TOTAL - and then they charge more for the tickets too - Its pathetic, and how on earth can this person call himself a fan when hes doing this????????????

AndrewG

07 Nov 2007, 18:29

Well many people always say there's no such thing as bad press. At least it does keep Meat in the news which is a good thing.

geordieloaf

07 Nov 2007, 20:18

I really can see from both sidesI was there did i feel i got value for money? No. But i was more concerned for Meat's health then and i still am now. Could i do with the £150+ i spent on the tickets back Yes.
I don't think the person has a leg to stand on there was no guarantee he would be on 2 hour's plus also the quality of Meat's performance is only opinion.
All it would take is an announcment maybe saying if the uk leg get's rescheduled then the Newcastle date will be added. Well that's what i'm hoping anyway.

LucyK!

07 Nov 2007, 20:33

... Wonder if the guy who is starting this is a member here or on .net.....

Kathryn

If he is then that is wiorse in my opinion...

So what about fanclub members who take the front row places of others at shows? Because that's a hell of a lot worse in my opinion.

But concert etiquette and good manners are for another thread...let's keep this one on topic...

The man is an idiot trying to make money out of anything. Meat had really bad press here in the North East after Newcastle and it sounds to me like someone trying to jump on the bandwagon of something hitting the headlines. Very sad.

christa

07 Nov 2007, 20:42

I emailed this person (his name is Mike Fisher) and told him in a very nice way that what he is doing, in my opinion, is wrong and got a curt reply of mind your own business really! I did say though that i wouldn't be claiming the cost of my petrol back that i used getting to the NEC last week.

jayde_meatfan4life

07 Nov 2007, 20:43

GET WELL SOON MEAT!!

london.tower

07 Nov 2007, 21:37

I could not agree more that meat's health comes first . but from the promoters side the hole last week has been to say the least badly handled. No information posted etc . he was obviously ill to walk off like that so why was there no information published in advance about manchester , birmingham or wembley concert dates . how mant people spent money traveling to these gigs that could have been avoided if information had been given out earlier . i was due to go to the wembley gig and did not find anything definate until someone on this site linked the BBC news information.
there was nothing on the official site until late afternoon , by which time most people traveling any distance would be well on there way . If meat was still ill from the previous week then why leave it until that late to postpone or cancell .

Get well soon meat .

sack the promotion team though..

mszee

07 Nov 2007, 21:40

Well...I say let him try to sue...

I know of the case where a woman here sued sonogram technician cause he/she told her that she is going to have a boy and she had a girl...

So?

It ended where it started...sonograms do not change the sex of the baby and apparently concerts that last over an hour are not refundable. Nothing to worry about...I am sure promoters have good lawyers and good insurance...

LucyK!

07 Nov 2007, 21:41

In regards to Manchester that was cancelled with 24 hours notice (just), although there were some people he still did go to the venue. Andy and I (and some others) travelled to Birmingham which wasn't cancelled but I think we'd have been naive to travel not knowing that the chances were that it wasn't going ahead. Wembley, thankfully, was cancelled just in time for most of us but certainly not enough time for those who have a long way to travel to London.

As a fanclub member it's not been too bad for me as the news has appeared on this site, but for anyone who is a Meat Loaf fan who isn't a member here it's been terrible, especially when people who don't know a lot about Meat are going to go to his official site before deciding whether to travel, and a whole lot of use that is...

SuperLoafMan

07 Nov 2007, 21:51

WHAT A KN*B

mszee

07 Nov 2007, 21:54

Yes, I have a problem with late cancellations too. That's probably the only problem I have with this and not sure who it is up to.

Let's review:

If I decided to go:

1. I would have bought a ticket - not sure of the price but the last ones were in the area of $97.-
2. Would have booked air fair - cheapest I've ever seen was about $560.-
3. Booked the hotel room - another god knows how many dollars.

Never mind other expenses...

AND...I would have to fly a day before to get to the concert because of the time difference.

I wouldn't have complained - I would be delighted to meet people at the Greyhound...but that's me...what about others like me? Or others much worse off than me?

Pudding

07 Nov 2007, 22:10

The guy hasn't got a leg to stand on.

How do you know? did they get amputated? or is that wishful thinking :))

My 2 cents here: (as always :D)

I can understand how some people from the Newcastle gig might be a little disgruntled, they went to a Rock Concert and feel a little short-changed, especially since the 2 concerts afterwards got rescheduled prior to the whole tour being scrapped. That said, I think some Geordies are taking things a little too far. But saying that, I think there's some people on here who've hopped onto a train and headed oneway to downtown goofyville. (That'll be ANOTHER 20 infraction points from FM :lmao:)

The best solution IMO, is to either reschedule the whole gig, or offer half of the money back, since they only saw half a show.

Pud :twisted:

mszee

07 Nov 2007, 22:16

The best solution IMO, is to either reschedule the whole gig, or offer half of the money back, since they only saw half a show.

Pud :twisted:

That would be FAIR and LOGICAL solution (Forgive me, Father :lmao:)

Did you see any logic so far with the album, promotion, etc?

Monstro

08 Nov 2007, 01:42

Any Geordie worth his salt would be more concerned with the stuffing we got in the first ten minutes last weekend by Portsmouth!!!!!

geordieloaf

08 Nov 2007, 01:48

Oh dear you had to go and mention it, i've been trying to block it out!

SW31

08 Nov 2007, 03:07

it can only get worst when you get beat by the macems

geordieloaf

08 Nov 2007, 03:13

Nah it wont happen, i hope!

angel eyes

08 Nov 2007, 05:22

I was at the Newcastle gig and paid double the price for my ticket plus travel costs etc which amounts to 3/4 of my weekly wage. I saved my birthday money to pay for the ticket. Those of us who do not have a great deal of disposable income are bound to be upset shelling out travel money and hotel fees etc. especially for the gigs that were cancelled at the last minute. Having said that the last thing I would want to do is try to sue.

It was an evening I would rather have not witnessed because I hold Meat in such high esteem - it was upsetting to see him struggle.

I had a front row ticket - something which I don't think I'll ever get my hands on again !!!

I think things have been badly handled but Meat is not to blame for this.

I never expected to receive a refund and the sooner everyone else accepts this the better. This man - with his 100 behind him - will be laughed out of court. If it gets that far I hope he has to pay costs!!!

Get well soon Meat - you are worth every penny I have ever spent on you.

Love
Angel xxx

AndrewG

08 Nov 2007, 09:53

kimkirs

08 Nov 2007, 14:20

i read the article......toilet paper comes to mind.what meat does is his job,his work so i was just wonderin how many days sick leave mr.so called disgruntled concert goer has had in 30 years.

allrevvedup

08 Nov 2007, 15:05

Meat, unfortunately, with his choice of words left it open for people to come in and contemplate legal action and demand refunds. There's always going to be some chancer that has a go and this guy likes his name in the papers.

If they would've just said 'Thank you good night" without the list of songs that they were going to sing then I think a lot of people wouldn't have been affected as much.

Hey it's a pain. I travelled over on Monday (would've been too much to do it in one day) to London from Dublin, so two nights hotel and airfare, trainfare etc makes it pretty expensive couple of days in a small place called Wembley. Thankfully there was enough of us to make it a decent night and from a financial point of view getting the refunds for the tickets will pay for most of it, but that's an aside.

Thanks for posting the link and Meatgrl I don't understand why you question that. If it's for meat's sake he can find the story by typing meat loaf into a news search, so it's not exactly been hidden from his eyes.

AndrewG

08 Nov 2007, 15:16

Q. Why post this?

Why not?

smilingwisdom

08 Nov 2007, 17:18

Frankly, I am disgusted.
I mean sorry, what if he had - thank goodness he has not - but what if he had died that night?
I mean, I understand 50 Pounds is a lot of cash, and not everyone can afford it easily, but Meat Loaf´s Health and maybe even his life was at stake, which is worth way more than 50 pounds.
Don´t people even realize they attended a legendary Meat concert, one of the ones that is being talked about, I mean they´ve been there, no matter how bad things are for Meat, I bet a lot of people envy them for having seen him, having seen this concert, and probably everyone wanting his money back, is enjoying that type of attention too.
Sorry, but it´s disgusting, someone is giving everything to entertain you and all you care about is how to get your money back while ruining the artist´s reputation. It´s pathetic. It´s vile. It´s scum.

Jaymze

08 Nov 2007, 17:39

They're not taking legal action against Meat but against the promotors and personnally I think they're right, I want my money bbk for the performance. It's nothing to do with Meat, I want the promotor's to refund my money for a poor show.

beki

08 Nov 2007, 19:01

This guy is clearly a d*ck and a cut-short Meat Loaf concert is still by far better value for money than going to see anyone else in my opinion.
What I think is worse is how the promoter's kept us all hanging on last week. Waiting for news and only getting it at the last minute when many of you had travelled long distances to see the concert. With Meat clearly having trouble with his voice, many of us felt that the tour wouldn't continue and yet the promoters and venues (particularly the NEC) assured fans right up until the last minute that the show would go ahead, leaving no choice really but to start travelling. This is almost exactly what happened after he was ill at Wembley in 2003. That concert was a fortnight before the show in Cardiff, and even though Meat was seriously ill in hospital, I didn't find out the show was off until I arrived. To cap it off the show was rescheduled a month later and again was called off at the last minute as people arrived. That treatment is unacceptable when 'the people in the know' clearly have the information they need to cancel the shows well in advance.

Pudding

09 Nov 2007, 01:18

Frankly, I am disgusted.
I mean sorry, what if he had - thank goodness he has not - but what if he had died that night?

What if a giant meteor made of Swiss Cheese came crashing to earth and landed on his head?

I think it's best if the dramatics are left in a cupboard under the sink, and we just stick to actual facts and events that occured. There's a lot of if's, but's and maybe's but that isn't going to solve anything.

Some people 'rightly or wrongly' are pissed the concert got cancelled, they're even more pissed that shows after theirs got rescheduled prior to being scrapped completely. I don't think anyone is taking this personally against Meat Loaf, but more towards the management and organisers.

Pud :twisted:

ricgough

09 Nov 2007, 03:24

'what if he had - thank goodness he has not - but what if he had died that night? '

I think anyone who was at the gig, or saw the youtube clip would see that whilst quite clearly out-of-sorts, he was no where near close to death. I was made to feel a hell of a lot more concerned the reaction by some on here and complete lack of official info, than I was leaving the show.
Why is .net down? anybody know? or are they just avoiding the inevitable barrage of potentially damaging nonsense which would have probably happened on a much larger scale over there what with it being the official site 'n' all?

mszee

09 Nov 2007, 15:40

I am just curious...

Does anybody actually know for a fact whose responsibility it is to cancel/re-schedule shows in timely fashion?

AndyK

09 Nov 2007, 15:48

It's the promoters.

As such in the circumstances were discussing here, shows are more than likely always going to be cancelled at the last minute, as there is always the hope in the promoters minds that the artist will be well enough to perform after a "last minute fitness check". I'm sure there'll have been a round of regular medical checks before the decisions that were made this last week.