Petrol prices

[Deb]

I got this in my email account from a friend and many of you have already got it from me lol.

Anyway, it' s worth a try :D

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See what you think and pass it on if you agree with it

We are hitting £1.20.9 a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying £1.50 a ltr. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't
continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

Please read it and join in!

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP.


If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!

Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..

THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8days!!! Acting together we can make a difference . If this makes
sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE

It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc. i.e. boycott BP and Esso

[djfierce]

:up:


question though (or point even ;) ) the supermarkets buy from the big fuel companies too though dont they?? I know Sainsbury's certainly do just cant think who it is lol.

well you certainly sent that to more than 10 people Deb :))

[AndrewG]

It's crazy I must say, in this area certainly BP have the highest prices and Esso is usually a penny or two more than Shell and the supermarket ones as well. I try to only get petrol at Shell as I think their quality is the best. Shell is quite a ~~~~~~~ too in my opnion as they pulled out of a great plan to provide a significant amount of energy to London via an off shore windfarm. Probably won't happen now. :-(

Having said all this, the good thing about high petrol prices is that car manufacturers are now doing their upmost best to only produce cars beyond 50mpg. 70mpg+ isn't too far off to being the norm I'd say.

70% of petrol prices is tax!

[AndyK]

Got this last week too, just haven't had time to forward it on yet lol ... just have to find a Shell garage local to me as I wouldn't touch supermarket petrol with a lit match ... it may come from the big companies, but it's lower quality and doesn't go through the same production controls as the "named brands"! It is the oil companies that need to be "hit" ... even though we pay a fortune in tax on petrol in the UK, in real terms the tax on fuel has risen by less than inflation int he last 5 years or so.

[duke knooby]

that would lead to alot of small petrol stations closing, and lots of lost jobs (much like the super market petrol stations have done, 5 closed on one road all within a mile radius of sainsburys is my own personal example). why just bp?? why not shell? while i totally agree the price of fuel is shocking and action needs taken... i don't think this is the solution, sadly i don't know what the solution is. I will continue to support my local independant garage (bp) and continue to blame the government for the rediculous cost at the pumps (over 60% pump price pure tax)... oh yeah not forgetting we're paying tax on the tax in the form of vat.
as a final note, check this link... especially the date!!!!

http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/car-talk/130815-just-another-chain-letter-genuine-petrol-campaign.html

[AndrewG]

question though (or point even ;) ) the supermarkets buy from the big fuel companies too though dont they?? I know Sainsbury's certainly do just cant think who it is lol.

well you certainly sent that to more than 10 people Deb :))

Not quite as far as I know here in the UK. In effect yes the oil will probably come from Shell or other Oil companies, however the actual product is refined elsewhere. Last year's contanimated petrol only affected supermarket petrol stations.

[duke knooby]

[QUOTE=djfierce;413151]:up:


question though (or point even ;) ) the supermarkets buy from the big fuel companies too though dont they?? I know Sainsbury's certainly do just cant think who it is lol.

you are 100% correct... the basic petrol comes from the large suppliers.. such as bp and shell and esso.... but hasn't the same blend of additives added after the initial refining etc.. each of the major suppliers.. bp, shell esso etc add there own blend of additives afterwards (if memory serves)

[djfierce]

oh right ok ;) thanks :))

[duke knooby]

http://www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.html

[duke knooby]

http://www.petrolprices.com/price-of-petrol.html

[RadioMaster]

that would lead to alot of small petrol stations closing, and lots of lost jobs (much like the super market petrol stations have done, 5 closed on one road all within a mile radius of sainsburys is my own personal example). why just bp?? why not shell? while i totally agree the price of fuel is shocking and action needs taken... i don't think this is the solution, sadly i don't know what the solution is. I will continue to support my local independant garage (bp) and continue to blame the government for the rediculous cost at the pumps (over 60% pump price pure tax)... oh yeah not forgetting we're paying tax on the tax in the form of vat.
as a final note, check this link... especially the date!!!!

http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/car-talk/130815-just-another-chain-letter-genuine-petrol-campaign.html

this is probably the longest post by jonty i have ever seen!!!

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: Wanted to reply to this thread, but more in regard to the root problem, so I started this thread here (http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11744) rather than go off topic :wink:

[SuperLoafMan]

The price of petrol these days is ridiculous, There needs to be some sort of strike or something to stop this. We pay too much in tax already!!!

[Battybarb]

That has already happened in the past hasnt it and nobody took any notice,as like most things that affect normal people.

[Deb]

Indeed Ross :twisted:

I remember when you passed your test lol. Good to see you around btw :-)

[ChoccyBat]

Ha! I rant in another thread about petrol then see this! lol.
As already pointed out, supermarkets get theirs from the big suppliers, but it does tend to be poorer quality. Thats how they sell it cheaper, as well as it being a loss leader sometimes as part of a war with other supermarkets.
Unfortunately this petition thing won't work, as it hasn't in the past when I've seen it. It seems the only thing that will stop the prices shooting up is a full blown recession, and we probably aren't far off that now.
Trouble is, the government will do nothing about it. As already pointed out, car companies are already starting to sell alternative fuelled cars in mainstream, people are actively looking for ways to save fuel, and this could lead to less busy roads. Were we bothered when it was 95p a litre? Not really, we plodded on. Now everyone is talking about it, and we're all trying to save petrol on non-essential journeys. Exactly what the government wants. The looming recession doesn't seem to bother them too much.

[~Helen~]

On the topic of petrol and prices, I thought I would mention (as I consider it a significant and sickening moment) that I paid for petrol yesterday that was double the price petrol was when I first learnt to drive...

...only 8 years ago.

(of course when I mentioned this to my parents (both in their 60s) this sparked a discussion of how cheap it was when they began learning to drive, but my point is that 8 years is not that long an amount of time, especially for something (with the exception of houses - but don't let me get started on that) to double in price!)

[AndrewG]

...only 8 years ago.

(of course when I mentioned this to my parents (both in their 60s) this sparked a discussion of how cheap it was when they began learning to drive, but my point is that 8 years is not that long an amount of time, especially for something (with the exception of houses - but don't let me get started on that) to double in price!)


I know what you mean but you'd be surprised, a good example I've seen almost everything double in price whenever I am in The Netherlands since they introduced the Euro in 2002. Things that cost 50 guilders in 2001 now cost 50 Euro. Exchange rate Euro- Guilder: 1 - 2.2.
Interestingly seeing Meat Loaf in Rotterdam in 1996: 45 guilders. In 2008: 49 Euro.
Seeing Meat Loaf in the Secc, Glasgow 1998: £25. Seeing Meat Loaf now pretty much 50 quid a pop.
The governmental inflation figures seem to be far off at times if you ask me.

[~Helen~]

I know what you mean but you'd be surprised, a good example I've seen almost everything double in price whenever I am in The Netherlands since they introduced the Euro in 2002. Things that cost 50 guilders in 2001 now cost 50 Euro. Exchange rate Euro- Guilder: 1 - 2.2.
Interestingly seeing Meat Loaf in Rotterdam in 1996: 45 guilders. In 2008: 49 Euro.
Seeing Meat Loaf in the Secc, Glasgow 1998: £25. Seeing Meat Loaf now pretty much 50 quid a pop.
The governmental inflation figures seem to be far off at times if you ask me.

Whilst I can be very sure wages haven't doubled in the same time :? (in fact, a quick check on the jobcentreplus.gov.uk website has confirmed this for me) but I'm sure that could open up a whole new can of worms so I shall shut up now.

[Battybarb]

just seen on tv this morning lorry drivers are causing some sort of strike or demo ,causing a blockade today in protest of the prices

[Deb]

LOL maybe we should all go join the blockade :-P

[Monstro]

LOL maybe we should all go join the blockade :-P

If you can afford the petrol that is lol

[Battybarb]

sounds like a plan,where shall we meet...lol

[Battybarb]

I hope they cause chaos,its about time something is done,its just getting so out of control !!

[Deb]

LOL M. No I guess I can't lol.

[Deb]

I really don't think anythings gonna help for a good while. Someone has to pay for the cost of the war and we seem to be paying it 20 times over.

[Battybarb]

Think you are right,everything is just so crazy

[Battybarb]

everything goes up in price,except wages of course...unless you are a politician...

[christa]

A couple of points:

I have managed many BP sites so I think I am qualified to answer this.

ALL fuel comes out of the refinery exactly the same, there is no huge "barrels" of Esso fuel and seperate "Barrels" of BP, all tankers feed from the same containers. Any additive is added in the tanker before it sets off from the refinery.

No matter what you all think, there is very very little, if any profit in fuel. It all goes to the government in taxes. A petrol stations profit comes from shop sales.

As for boycotting Esso and BP, I wont be doing that for 2 reasons: I have worked for both companies and have friends who still work there and I don't want to see them out of work, also I wouldn't want to see BP damaged in any way as I have a pension with them!

In my area, Tesco are the most expensive for fuel and BP the cheapest, work that one out!

[Battybarb]

what you are saying just proves the point that yet again its the government and their taxes that are making the people suffer...as always

[AndyK]

There is one upside to the spiralling petrol prices ... it doens't take as long to put petrol in the car anymore. Used to take a fair few minutes to get twenty quids wirth of fuel into the tank, now it's a matter of seconds! :up:

On a serious note. With the increasing use of cars in countries like India and China then we really are on a loser with this. The OPEC nations need to keep increasing their oil output to match current demand, let alone increase the volume of supply which would help to drive prices down.

Next time I change my car I think I'll trade it in for a horse!

[djfierce]

a horse it is then lol

we bought our car in sept i think, when we filled the tank from empty last weekend it cost us a whole ten pounds more than it did when we first bought the car....8 MONTHS AGO!!!!
when i look at it like that, this thing really is getting out of hand

[LucyK!]

I drive a diesel, last time I filled up it was £1.30 a litre :shock: I usually use Tesco which is a little cheaper, but £40 will do about 400 miles in my car so I really can't complain...I couldn't even consider paying these prices for petrol which wouldn't get me as far, it'll be diesel until I win the lottery!

[christa]

Lucy I think you are on the right tracks there! Diesel sounds the way to go!

My hubs drives a diesel and it sounds like a ruddy tank leaving the drive at 6 am every morning:roll: Someone needs to invent a quiet diesel!

[daveake]

a horse it is then lol

About time someone invented a car that ran on horse droppings. There's an endless source of that particular fuel at Westminster.

Dave

[samurai7]

Well something has to change. As those of you who know me realise, my work involves a LOT of driving. It is the only way I can manage, due to the equipment I have to carry. £1.30 a litre for diesel is absolutely scandalous. My fuel costs have risen 40% in the last couple of years, and when you consider I fill up the tank at least once a week, and most weeks twice, it is getting ludicrous. When I bought my current car it cost around £55 to fill up from empty. Now it's a shade over £80. :evil:

But what really drives me insane is the fact that diesel is so much more expensive than unleaded. It was always cheaper until the government realised that more and more people were switching to derv over petrol because of the savings, so what suddenly happens is that they have to increase the price to make up for the loss in the unleaded taxes. Look how many car manufacturers actually sell more diesels than petrols these days. pretty soon the price difference will mean that the savings you get from diesel will be completely cancelled out by the price difference between diesel and unleaded :roll:

[duke knooby]

i wish alcohol was so cheap.. 1.30 litre, on ya go girl lol

[AndrewG]

But what really drives me insane is the fact that diesel is so much more expensive than unleaded. It was always cheaper until the government realised that more and more people were switching to derv over petrol because of the savings, so what suddenly happens is that they have to increase the price to make up for the loss in the unleaded taxes. Look how many car manufacturers actually sell more diesels than petrols these days. pretty soon the price difference will mean that the savings you get from diesel will be completely cancelled out by the price difference between diesel and unleaded :roll:


Diesel is amazingly expensive in this country compared to the rest of Europe. According to the AA it now takes at least 45.000 miles on average to recoup the value of a Diesel car compared to a petrol car. The only thing I can say is relatively cheap compared to for example The Netherlnds is the actual price of many cars and car tax, though the latter is scheduled to go up heavily in the UK. Wonder if they will manage to go ahead with that now, doubt it.

[Pudding]

a horse it is then lol

Or Shanks' Pony ;)

Pud :twisted:

[SamCat]

I got an email from my Auntie in New Zealand this morning about petrol prices and their fuel is a lot cheaper over there anyway but it might make you drivers feel a bit better!!!!

The price of Gas versus Printer Ink
All these examples do NOT imply that gasoline is cheap; it just illustrates how outrageous some prices are....

You will be really shocked by the last one!
(At least, I was...)

Compared with Gasoline......

Think a gallon of gas is expensive?

This makes one think, and also puts things in perspective.

Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 ... $10.32 per gallon

Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 .........$9.52 per gallon

Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 ..... $10.17 per gallon

Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 .......... $10.00 per gallon

Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ....... $33.60 per gallon

Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35 .. $178.13 per gallon

Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 .. $123.20 per gallon

Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 ....... . $25.42 per gallon (Tippex)

Scope 1.5 oz $0.99 ......$84.48 per gallon (Mouthwash)


And this is the REAL KICKER...


Evian water 9 oz $1.49..$21.19 per gallon! $21.19 for WATER and the buyers don't even know the source

(Evian spelled backwards is Naive.)


Ever wonder why printers are so cheap?


So they have you hooked for the ink.
Someone calculated the cost of the ink at...............
(you won't believe it....but it is true........)
$5,200 a gal. (five thousand two hundred dollars)


So, the next time you're at the pump,be glad your car doesn't run on water, Scope, or Whiteout, Pepto Bismol, Nyquil or God forbid, Printer Ink!


Just a little humor to help ease the pain of your next trip to the pump...

And - If you don't pass this along to at least one person,
Your muffler will fall off!!

Okay, your muffler won't really fall off...but, you might run out of toilet paper

[Monstro]

True, printer ink is actually more expensive than the fuel that the space shuttle runs off.

Love the Evian one as well, Naive, priceless lol

[~Helen~]

It's bad enough that my printer runs off printer ink!! Pay to print elsewhere now - it works out a lot cheaper. I remember printing a photo (actually it was a montage of photos but it can't have been any bigger than A5 size) from a brand new ink cartridge which after printing showed as being half empty. Those cartridges cost £27 each, so that was around £13+ for one picture.

I was at uni at the time (7 and a half years ago!) - I could eat for a week on £13. I've never forgotten it.

Sorry, just something that has always irked me! For the rest of my degree I resorted to printing in black & white/economy or going to the library to print colour pages for 30p each!

The thing about water really does make you think though! But then, most of the water I drink is from the tap coz I have a water filter at home...or during my working day, work pay for it at less than £4 for 18.5 litres - now that IS a price I'd be happy paying for petrol!!

[SuperLoafMan]

Indeed Ross :twisted:

I remember when you passed your test lol. Good to see you around btw :-)

Thanks Deb :D Still loitering ;)

It was good to see the lorry drivers protesting yesterday. As for this 2p increase again real soon it really peevz me off. They put taxes up and everyting but they dont increase your wages to pay the bloody thing! :evil:

[~Helen~]

They put taxes up and everyting but they dont increase your wages to pay the bloody thing! :evil:

Everything goes up at a faster rate than wages! Houses, transport, food....

[Pudding]

I got an email from my Auntie in New Zealand this morning about petrol prices and their fuel is a lot cheaper over there anyway but it might make you drivers feel a bit better!!!!

Petrol prices over here are cheaper than in the UK, but it's all relative, as people in the UK generally earn more money than over here. So most things kinda work out to cost pretty much the same.

Pud :twisted:

[djfierce]

i think the problem is, where things used to go up in relation to inflation and therefore was tolerable, recently we have seen stuff go up above inflation which is making those who dont have a pool of money to dip into struggle

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: If the price of petrol was high enough, then a lot of cars would be taken off the road, making the air cleaner for us non drivers and reducing the nations carbon footprint.


*runs away very quickly*

[Monstro]

:twisted: If the price of petrol was high enough, then a lot of cars would be taken off the road, making the air cleaner for us non drivers and reducing the nations carbon footprint.


*runs away very quickly*

And lorries wouldn't afford to be able to drive to pubs to stock them!!!!!

[The Flying Mouse]

And lorries wouldn't afford to be able to drive to pubs to stock them!!!!!

:twisted: Doesn't matter, because nobodys in the pubs to drink the beer anyway :raspberry:

Michael, it was a joke mate, ignore my comment and on with the topic :wink: :up:

[Monstro]

Figured that all by myself lol

[Pudding]

:twisted: If the price of petrol was high enough, then a lot of cars would be taken off the road, making the air cleaner for us non drivers and reducing the nations carbon footprint.

You actually make a very good point...for once ;)

There are too many cars on the road. People do complain about petrol prices but they still drive their cars regardless and don't look at alternative means of transport. On my recent trips back to the UK I got increasingly frustrated by the amount of traffic on the roads and the amount of fumes being pumped into the atmosphere by vehicles with bad exhaust systems.

My main grumble about petrol prices is when the oil companies are making $40Billion plus profits, yet the price of petrol is still going up and up.

Pud :twisted:

[Paul191]

I have to say I live way out in the countryside and looking at this from a purely economic perspective, the only option is for me to drive because it's more expensive getting the bus everyday to work.... Even after considering how high petrol prices are. If buses were a lot cheaper I would consider getting them but at the moment I can't and at the same time i'm being hit hard in the pocket from the price of petrol. I could ride my bike I suppose, but then I would have set off to work three days early.

Simple solution, reduce tax on petrol (considering it is percentage driven depending on the price of oil) and/or reduce the prices of public transport.

[Pudding]

and/or reduce the prices of public transport.

That is something I absolutely agree with. If public transport was a cheaper reliable alternative, then more people would use it I'm sure.

Pud :twisted:

[daveake]

That is something I absolutely agree with. If public transport was a cheaper reliable alternative, then more people would use it I'm sure.

Pud :twisted:

It's a laugh when we get told by the government that we should use more public transport - out here in the sticks there isn't any. Well, I think the postbus will take passengers into town, once a day, though how you're supposed to get back I don't know.

Dave

[Pudding]

The only public form of transport I've been more than impressed with in the UK lately is National Express East Cost (http://www.nationalexpresseastcoast.com/) railways. Where you can get around a tonne of places dirt cheap (Leeds to London for only £10.00 :up:)

Pud :twisted:

[Deb]

Public transport with a family (especially mine lol) costs much more than using the car unfortunately

[djfierce]

It's a laugh when we get told by the government that we should use more public transport - out here in the sticks there isn't any. Well, I think the postbus will take passengers into town, once a day, though how you're supposed to get back I don't know.

Dave

The place i just moved from had 2 buses per day, one about 9am the other about 5pm. Only going to the town centre

[~Helen~]

When I first moved back to this area I was trying to make the decision whether to drive or take the bus into work I sat down and calculated cost of petrol and parking (excluding insurance/tax as I'd have to pay that anyway - you can't live where I live and NOT have a car!) versus cost of getting the bus (with a weekly pass thingy) and the annual difference in cost equated to something like £50 (more expensive via car).

When you then look at public transport for where I am living currently, the convenience of going by car was worth way more than £50 a year. I think the only reason my village HAS buses is that there is no bypass and they therefore have to go through it to get elsewhere. The bus to/from work also takes almost twice as long as it does by car - and it's lucky there actually IS a bus to/from work. If I actually wanted to go into Manchester (which is only say 40 minutes by car) I have to walk two miles to the nearest bus or train stration

Anyway, about a year ago I discovered somewhere I could park for free, so despite the rise in petrol costs, it's still cheaper, and a million times more convenient to travel by car. Plus, not wanting to sound like I'm being snobby here but buses I've been on tend to be mucky and untidy - that also pays a part in my reluctance to travel that way!

[~Helen~]

And maybe it was just because I was on holiday and it therefore seemed more fun because of the novely value, but getting around by public transport always seems much easier outside of the UK - some places I visited in Canada certainly seemed much easier to travel around by public transport...but then again maybe it was the novelty value as well as excitement of being on holiday! At least there though, you could go straight from one mode of transport to the other and they went frequently. Here they don't seem to be all that frequent and it's not easy to get!

[SamCat]

No its the holiday thing!! Tourists are always saying how amazing the transport in London is and it is probably the best in the country but when you use it day in and day out it doesn't seem that great!!

And now we cant even drink on it!!

[~Helen~]

No its the holiday thing!! Tourists are always saying how amazing the transport in London is and it is probably the best in the country but when you use it day in and day out it doesn't seem that great!!

And now we cant even drink on it!!

Haha I nearly praised the London Underground in my last post, but it still doesn't seem as great as when you're on holiday! The inventor of the London underground map is a genius in my mind though, even if it makes no sense to mere mortals who like 'normal' maps! There is a lot of convenience in the London Underground though (although maybe this is me comparing to buses and trains here) - you can easily change from one line to another (thanks to the very clever inventor of that map!) and and it's quite fast - and better than driving around London (and I'm a person who isn't phased by driving anywhere and hates public transport so that really is saying something!) but on the other side of things, it has all the downsides of public transport - being crowded and the risk that 'the weirdo' is going to make you his/her pal today ;) When I was last in London though (December) I don't remember thinking the tubes were so much full of litter as I remember from my last bus experience up here.

I would probably hate the London Underground if I had to travel on it frequently (to be honest I'm not that keen on it as it is, it's just way better than public transport up here and quicker than getting around London by car) but at the end of the day I'm possibly a little ashamed to admit that so long as I can afford to go by car then I will always choose that option. I can have it whatever temperature I like, not have to sit next to anybody I don't know or don't want to be there, I can listen to whatever music I like and sing (warble) along at the top of my voice and not be deemed antisocial (or as 'the weirdo' ;)) and it's relatively clean (well, any mess in my car is mine anyway!!)...most of the time however (extreme weather conditions aside) I'd much rather walk to work though (shockingly! I just enjoy the walk for some reason!) and am house hunting in the same town where I work for that very reason (so hopefully my laziness of prefering car over public transport is balanced out by my desire to walk!)

Edit...apologies for the hugely long posts today, I've developed an excessive waffling disease ;)

[Cpl Mickey]

It's a laugh when we get told by the government that we should use more public transport - out here in the sticks there isn't any. Well, I think the postbus will take passengers into town, once a day, though how you're supposed to get back I don't know.

Dave

I agree with you if public transport was more accessable and cheaper then i would use it more. We have buses in harrietsham but only every 2 hours. trains rune every hr but i live about a 10 min walk from station, so would take a while to walk back with shopping etc. I usually only try to use the car to do my weekly shop. i can walk to work as is only round the corner from me.

[Pudding]

Public transport with a family (especially mine lol) costs much more than using the car unfortunately

With a family it's different, as it's economically not viable to use public transport and a car would be the cheaper option. I'm more thinking about people commuting to and from work. Maybe introduce a single car occupency toll, so people car pool more often would be an idea.

I also think that heavy goods vehicles should only be allowed to travel at night when the roads are less congested.

Pud :twisted:

[Monstro]

I think that there's roads/lanes being trialed for cars with more than one occupant, along the same lines as bus lanes.

[geordieloaf]

There also trying sections on the A1 near Durham where lorry's can't over take in certain zone's which work's well.

[AndyK]

I think that there's roads/lanes being trialed for cars with more than one occupant, along the same lines as bus lanes.

Yeah there's quite a few. Bristol I know is littered with them, and there's a lane on the m62 near Leeds now as well.

[Monstro]

There also trying sections on the A1 near Durham where lorry's can't over take in certain zone's which work's well.

Oh yeah, remember seeing them now

[duke knooby]

No its the holiday thing!! Tourists are always saying how amazing the transport in London is and it is probably the best in the country but when you use it day in and day out it doesn't seem that great!!

And now we cant even drink on it!!

you can have a packet of crisps though lol

[Paul191]

You actually make a very good point...for once ;)

My main grumble about petrol prices is when the oil companies are making $40Billion plus profits, yet the price of petrol is still going up and up.

Pud :twisted:

I did overlook this comment earlier.:?

I have to say you're absolutely correct. I laughed when somebody mentioned on here a few days ago that there isn't much profit in fuel. There clearly is, and it's ludicrous, even after considering a LOT of it goes to the government. Socialism at it's best.:shock:

[Pudding]

I have to say you're absolutely correct. I laughed when somebody mentioned on here a few days ago that there isn't much profit in fuel. There clearly is, and it's ludicrous, even after considering a LOT of it goes to the government. Socialism at it's best.:shock:

A lot of money might go to the government, but the government needs a lot to help pay for the benefits of lazy gits who sit on their ass all day pretending to be unfit to work. One thing people need to fully realise is, the British Government is going bankrupt, they have too many outgoing and not enough ingoings. Spongers are bleeding the system dry.

Now if the government came up with a scheme of not paying benefits to those who can work so the lazy sods get off their ass, work and pay their own taxes...and stick to it, then they wouldn't need so much money in their coffers and therefor wouldn't need to keep raising the tax on fuel.

Pud :twisted:

[Paul191]

A lot of money might go to the government, but the government needs a lot to help pay for the benefits of lazy gits who sit on their ass all day pretending to be unfit to work. One thing people need to fully realise is, the British Government is going bankrupt, they have too many outgoing and not enough ingoings. Spongers are bleeding the system dry.

Now if the government came up with a scheme of not paying benefits to those who can work so the lazy sods get off their ass, work and pay their own taxes...and stick to it, then they wouldn't need so much money in their coffers and therefor wouldn't need to keep raising the tax on fuel.

Pud :twisted:

Aboslutely.

China almost got it correct when they forced everybody into work or labour. However, their sheer greed and brutality f**ked that one up. Britain thought they had it correct when they designed a tax system which runs on people not actually working. Where the hell is the sense in that?