Frying Pan to Lemon (Omit Bat?)

[Wario]

I had a long discustio nwith my cusin about Meat's rain of Lemon and Frying Pan.

He has stated that if Lemon gets cut out of the set Frying pan should too and that Frying Pan is just as old as Lemon, Paradise, and AFL in terms of Live Playings.

i am wondering ... In any of your opinions is Frying Pan getting just as repettitive as Lemon?

My persoinal opinion is: Frying Pan PWNs Lemon, and i could hear Frying pan a million times and it could still pump me up.

Also, as my cusin was wondering, should Meat omit Bat?

[djfierce]

Given the reaction that Bat gets from every show i've ever been to, i think it would be daft to suggest removing this iconic song from the show.

As far as lemon and frying pan, yes they're as old as the others but every song is individual and ages differently, personally i like both of them, i particuarly liked what they did with frying pan on the last tour. There are other songs i would quite happily take out over those two really, however Patti's return has changed my list a little bit now ;)

[~Helen~]

In my opinion, Bat should never be omitted, ever! Aside of it being in my top 10 favourite songs of all time, it's kinda the Meat Staple. Maybe the more commonly heard songs become a little bit repetitive for people who know Meat's music well and go to a lot of shows, but EVERYONE knows Bat, and I think people who know his music less well have to be catered for too in terms of including some of the more well known stuff.

As for Frying Pan, the pyrotechnics for that song broke my camera (twice) (with the heat) so I vote for keeping this song but toning down the fire or someone providing a heat-proof box for my camera ;) (and I'm obsessed with taking photographs of just about anything I can, so leaving the camera at home is not an option ;) [and yes I do accept it's a limitation of the camera if it can't take pictures of flames!])

I rather like the other songs you mentioned too however I would accept that I can't have a show with every single Meat Loaf track I like because the gig would last a day or so! There isn't a single Meat song that I have yet tired of hearing and I don't expect to, however I know there are a lot of people here who have more years listening to Meat's music than I do (not that I am saying I expect them to have tired of it either!).

[The Flying Mouse]

Also, as my cusin was wondering, should Meat omit Bat?

:twisted: The only answer I can suggest to the idea that MEAT LOAF should drop BAT OUT OF HELL from his set list is for your cousin to look here (http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinformation.aspx) :wtf:

[AndyK]

Must admit that no matter how much I love Bat (and I do) there's always a twinge when I hear the opening bars as it usually means the concert is coming to an end. Wouldn't want Bat dropping from the set though, even if I have spent getting on for a day of my life hearing it performed live!

[~Helen~]

Must admit that no matter how much I love Bat (and I do) there's always a twinge when I hear the opening bars as it usually means the concert is coming to an end

I know exactly what Andy means about that...Bat out of Hell has long been amongst my favourite songs, long before I discovered the rest of Meat Loaf's music...so I spent my first Meat show looking forward to hearing that song performed live...then spent every subsequent Meat show in two minds - half wanting to hear that song again, and half not wanting it to arrive because it'd signal the proximity of the end of the night - it seemed most cruel and ironic to be saddened almost, by hearing a favourite song!

[Monstro]

Ok, give up, what does PWNs mean?

[~Helen~]

Ok, give up, what does PWNs mean?

HA! A geeky question I am embarassed to say I know the answer to (blame the ex boyfriend - geek-ness rubs off ;))

Anywho, there are many explanations floating around t'internet as to how this originated, but the basis is that it's one better than 'owned' (I suppose seeing as the letter 'p' is one further on in the alphabet than 'o'...I just think it started as a mistype since the letters are next to each other on the keyboard!)...owned meaning dominates or being better than (as opposed to the usual possessive 'owns')...I think it was sort of gaming speak, where people would say "he pwned you" (or whatever) to someone who has just been beaten.

Aren't you glad you asked...?? :? ;)

[Monstro]

HA! A geeky question I am embarassed to say I know the answer to (blame the ex boyfriend - geek-ness rubs off ;))

Anywho, there are many explanations floating around t'internet as to how this originated, but the basis is that it's one better than 'owned' (I suppose seeing as the letter 'p' is one further on in the alphabet than 'o'...I just think it started as a mistype since the letters are next to each other on the keyboard!)...owned meaning dominates or being better than (as opposed to the usual possessive 'owns')...I think it was sort of gaming speak, where people would say "he pwned you" (or whatever) to someone who has just been beaten.

Aren't you glad you asked...?? :? ;)

If I've gotta learn a new language to use this t'internet thingy I'm screwed lol

daft question again aimed more to the people that use this term...could they explain how PWNs is better than OWNs and if not would that make them a [rat?????

[wolfy35]

Think there would be near riots if Meat ever dropped Bat

As far as dropping other songs from the setlist or changing them that is never going to be an easy subject. So many of Meats songs are so popular and mean so much to people that even if Meat just rotated the odd one occasionally people would complain.

For me Meat could sing the contents of a phone book and still give an unforgettable show so as long as Meat is healthy enough to play for us I will be happy to hear whatever songs he chooses.

[~Helen~]

If I've gotta learn a new language to use this t'internet thingy I'm screwed lol

daft question again aimed more to the people that use this term...could they explain how PWNs is better than OWNs and if not would that make them a [rat?????

Haha pmsl @ "[rat"!

At a risk of taking this thread off topic...if you were dumb enough to mistype pwn instead of own (though easily done) wouldn't you try to pretend it somehow made you better?

Urban dictionary:- http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwns

You probably know more of the internet languagey stuff than you think you do actually - lol / pmsl / amt / imho - etc.

And now how to get this back on topic...errm... Bat out of Hell pwns :?:oops::roll: ok maybe that was a bit lame. Sorry! :oops:

[RadioMaster]

As for Frying Pan, the pyrotechnics for that song broke my camera (twice) (with the heat) so I vote for keeping this song but toning down the fire or someone providing a heat-proof box for my camera ;) (and I'm obsessed with taking photographs of just about anything I can, so leaving the camera at home is not an option ;) [and yes I do accept it's a limitation of the camera if it can't take pictures of flames!])


I disagree.
Seeing Frying Pan performed without the pyrotechnics during the autumn tour last year made me notice how much the flames had an influence on my impression of the song.
It all adds up....but seeing it without the flames (and just pictures of flames on the screens) made me feel there something missing.

I think Lemon and Frying Pan are the two songs among the 'regulars' that could be dropeed the easiest. Theyve been performed on every show the last years, and weather you get tired of them or not, he cant drop BOOH, AFL, Paradise and Took the Words, cause the demand for those songs is just there (okay took the words could may be dropped as well). The fact that some people get tired of Lemon and Frying Pan would only make the decision which song to drop easier id say

[~Helen~]

I disagree.
Seeing Frying Pan performed without the pyrotechnics during the autumn tour last year made me notice how much the flames had an influence on my impression of the song.
It all adds up....but seeing it without the flames (and just pictures of flames on the screens) made me feel there something missing.

Unfortunately the two shows I was seeing in the Autumn were both amongst the cancelled shows so I didn't get to see Frying Pan without fire, but I can imagine the difference it would make to the experience of the song, it's good to hear someone else's experience of it though :-)

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: I'd be very disappointed the day Lemon isn't in the set list :sad:

[~Helen~]

:twisted: I'd be very disappointed the day Lemon isn't in the set list :sad:

Me too, but are there things you would rather have on the list in favour of Lemon?

[tonyloaf]

lemon rocks!!!!!! he could never take that out! its a stadium rocking tune!! and the way he acts it out with the girls a wicked! keep on rocking!!!

[The Flying Mouse]

Me too, but are there things you would rather have on the list in favour of Lemon?

:twisted: To be honest, no :shock:

I think there are two songs more than any others that make a ML concert for me, that's Lemon and Bat.

[AndyK]

I wouldn't mind seeing the staples so much if there was more variation in the set list elsewhere. Having seen Springsteen three times this last week it really brought it home to me how steady Meat's set list has been over the years ... he has so many "staples" in the set that there isn't alot of time for anything else.

Springsteen changed around 6-8 songs a night, which really did make each concert different from the last (and the next!) and because of that I got to see many of my personal favourites performed on stage. Admittedly The E Street Band have been together for decades now so they have had the time to learn the songs so well that they come naturally when the set list is changed mid-show. I'm sure with the calibre of the NLE though that some more variation could be found.

[Steingirl]

Bat, Paradise, and AFL are staples of the show, so they have to be there. I always enjoy them. I have seen Frying Pan and Lemon at almost every show since 1993, so I wouldn't mind if they replaced them with some of the Meat/Patti duets we rarely get to see. Although since Patti's back, I'm rather looking forward to hearing her vocals on those 2 songs again, especially Lemon. I actually wouldn't mind losing You Took the Words. I'm not a big fan of the sing-along part. Anyone who has ever heard me sing knows why.:-P I hope they choose some new encore songs. I'm a bit tired of Black Betty and Mercury. Those songs showcase the guys in the band, but don't really have any vocal parts for the girls to showcase their talent. Wonder if Gimme Shelter will be in this show? I bet Patti would rock that part in the song.

[duke knooby]

wouldn't mind if paradise was dropped, and lemon, and frying pan, and took the words... that would leave plenty of scope for some variety... would love to hear surf's up though!!

[tonyloaf]

I wouldn't mind seeing the staples so much if there was more variation in the set list elsewhere. Having seen Springsteen three times this last week it really brought it home to me how steady Meat's set list has been over the years ... he has so many "staples" in the set that there isn't alot of time for anything else.

Springsteen changed around 6-8 songs a night, which really did make each concert different from the last (and the next!) and because of that I got to see many of my personal favourites performed on stage. Admittedly The E Street Band have been together for decades now so they have had the time to learn the songs so well that they come naturally when the set list is changed mid-show. I'm sure with the calibre of the NLE though that some more variation could be found.

agree with you andy i was at the london gig sat (springsteen) i heard alot of the older stuff and it sounded really good and a good idear changing the songs, meat is more then capable to do this

[Sapphire Lady]

No way can Meat ever drop Bat - it's his trademark. In the unlikely event that he was ever to do so, I think the audience would be left feeling cheated. You go to a Meat Loaf concert expecting to hear Bat Out of Hell.

I'm not a big fan of Lemon but I love Frying Pan so that one would get my vote every time.

[AndrewG]

No Way Bat should be dropped, that is just insane. That's a bit like saying we'll do an Indiana Jones movie without Indiana Jones and without a hat and a whip.

Frying Pan I think is a better song than Lemon. Lemon is dark and sounds negative to me (probably cuz of the amount of minor chords and the depressive lyrics), whereas Frying Pan is just fun. I think Lemon has been played to often and although I thought RAH was an amazing show I was disappointed with Lemon as an encore, it should have been Bat really. Perhaps Frying Pan should not be played every night but the extended versions when Meat does his Elvis ad libs etc are just fantastic in my opinion.

[Pudding]

Frying Pan I think is a better song than Lemon.

There's no comparison, Lemon sucks..IMO

Pud :twisted:

[AndrewG]

There's no comparison, Lemon sucks..IMO

Well that's one way of putting it. Lol.

[SamCat]

No more Lemon, no more Patti and CC in those outfits and lots of disappointed guys!!!

[Elijah's way]

lemon is one of his best songs!

[Renegade Angel]

I think the set could do with a change, why is it so sacred to have certain songs played at every gig? I love bands and artists that change the set every night, R.E.M are great at doing it and Guns N' Roses had a core of about 30 songs that they varied on most nights.

How about Bat opening the show? maybe with an extended intro? or how about more songs from Neighbourhood or Deadringer? Deadringer is as good as if not better than Bat2 IMO
I know this would be hard for the band to reherse and i can see Meat's point that people want to hear the 'hits' but this can still be achieved.

To me Lemon and Frying pan could do with a rest and i hate the way songs are shortened to fit others in, I'd rather a set of 10 full length songs rather than 16 short ones.

how about a set like:

Bat Out Of Hell
I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back
I'd Lie For You and thats the truth
You Took The Words
Deadringer
Original Sin
Bad For Good
Everything Louder
Read Em And Weep
Anything For Love
Paradise By The Dashboard Light

[AndrewG]

I'd love to hear "I'll Kill You...". He should do "Where the Rubber meets the Road" and "Amnesty is Granted" too.

[djfierce]

i agree he should def do songs from other albums, and as this isnt the 3 bats tour maybe he will, there are loads i would love to hear would be here all night trying to prioritise them, not too sure about bat as a starting song, it feels right at the end to me, going out with a bang and all that stuff lol

[Renegade Angel]

i agree he should def do songs from other albums, and as this isnt the 3 bats tour maybe he will, there are loads i would love to hear would be here all night trying to prioritise them, not too sure about bat as a starting song, it feels right at the end to me, going out with a bang and all that stuff lol

I see your point about Bat but he never actually ends with it anyway, he always does an encore so sometimes does upto 4 songs after it.

[Wario]

I see your point about Bat but he never actually ends with it anyway, he always does an encore so sometimes does upto 4 songs after it.

He ends the concerts with Bat when he was with the MSO ;)

[Sarge]

how about a set like:

Bat Out Of Hell
I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back
I'd Lie For You and thats the truth
You Took The Words
Deadringer
Original Sin
Bad For Good
Everything Louder
Read Em And Weep
Anything For Love
Paradise By The Dashboard Light

Excellent suggestion but I'd prefer Frying Pan to Anything for Love. Don't get me wrong, AFL is one of the most gorgeous pieces of music ever written but since they play it on radio and TV quite often, it has lost a little bit of its attraction. I'd also favor Surf's Up, It Just Won't Quit and Left in the Dark (saw him performing that one in an absolutely stunning way some years ago :faint: ). I'd like to hear some Neighborhood stuff again, it's one of his best albums. Outshines Bat III, in my opinion.

[djfierce]

i agree with all of the above ;) , only i've never seen him pwerform left in the dark so would def love that

[RadioMaster]

He ends the concerts with Bat when he was with the MSO ;)

wasnt that edited as well? I seem to remember someone saying this wasnt the original setlist and a few encores followed BOOH?

[geordieloaf]

I would love to hear peel out live, i just hope there are a couple of surprise's in the set list. Maybe Read em weep or surf's up. :pray:

[Renegade Angel]

Im sure I heard somewhere that during the last leg of the tour, meat said he's thought about doing read em and weep but decided to do Im gonna love her for both of us?
I wouldn't be suprised to see a similar set list to the last tour. Im thinking a lot of duets will be involved with Patti being back so expect Paradise, Deadringer, IDAFL, I'd lie for you and Its all coming back to me now.

[Sarge]

I would love to hear peel out live

Me too. :D As far as I know, it was performed live in the late 1980s but only by the band as a kind of bridge, without anybody singing.

[wolfy35]

I would like to hear What about love, it is a good uptempo song and with it being a duet originally performed with Patti what better to put on the setlist for her return?

[Monstro]

I would like to hear What about love, it is a good uptempo song and with it being a duet originally performed with Patti what better to put on the setlist for her return?

I'm really hoping for this as well, good choice!!

[duke knooby]

and surfs up

[Monstro]

and surfs up

Goes without saying but there's as much chance of that as "Don't You Look At Me Like That"

[duke knooby]

no ta... i'll stick with surfs up lol

[angelica]

Love frying pan ... adore lemon and Bat well you just GOTTA have Bat out of hell!

[lorenzoduke]

Suggesting Meat Loaf omits Bat is bloody ridiculous. Half of the people at any given concert came to hear it.

[Wario]

Suggesting Meat Loaf omits Bat is bloody ridiculous. Half of the people at any given concert came to hear it.

I know, but i would like to note it wasn't my direct suggestion but my cusin's (in my opinion, Bat needs to be in it and Frying pan stands as my 2nd fav. Meat Song, so its not old to me) :)

IMO: This is the set of the "House of Meat" Tour

(I have a 19 song set here, one more than 3 Bats Live - Not Counting Speeches)

Set Part 1

AFL
Paradise
Wasted Youth (Speech)
Bad For Good
Took The Words
Frying Pan
Modern Girl
I'm Gonna Love Her For Both of Us
Masculine
Read 'EM and Weep
Set Part 2

CHSIB
Where The Rubber Meets The Road
DRFL
Who Needs The Young? (Speech)
Good Girls Go To Heaven
Rock'n Roll Dreams
Two Out Of Three
Bat out of HellEncore

What About Love? (With Patty)
Bad Attitude (With Kasim)
Dance In My Pants (With Patty):-)

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: The reason Meat has got to do classics like Bat and Paradise is for people who are going to see him for the first time.

Let's not be selfish about the set list here, when was the first time you saw Meat live?

First time I got to see him was 2002 (very late start to going to shows :oops: ) and how would I feel if I didn't get to see him play Bat just once?

How many people went to see him for the first time, say, on the Welcome To The Neighborhood tour?

Bat Out Of Hell was released what? 22 years years before WTTN? So why did he have to perform it then?

I think one of the guys I know who's been going to ML shows longer than most folks is Andy, and if i'm correct he saw Meat for the first time in 84 on the Bad Attitude tour.

That's a whole 7 years after Bat was released, so why should he still perform it?

If Meat didn't continue to play some of his standard classics for many years, I don't think many people on this forum would have had the opportunity to hear it live.

Hands up those who were at a Meat Loaf concert in 77/78?

Because by the rationelle of dropping classics, you wouldn't have seen Bat performed if you hadn't been to those shows.

Even if you did think Bat was getting stale (or even Paradise) could you deny fans being able to see these songs sung for themselves :??:

[AndyK]

I don't think anyone is saying he should drop all of the standards from one show ... I know I'm certainly not. My argument is pro-rotation.

To use the Springsteen analogy again, it could be argued that in the UK Dancing In The Dark and Born To Run are two of Springsteen's best known songs, before this recent tour I'd seen the Boss play live in the last 24 years, more times when he didn't perform either of those songs than when he did. Every show a sell out, every show with satisfied punters leaving at the end of it. One of the reasons they leave satisifed is (IMO) that he changes the songs he does perform so you never actually know what you're going to hear (in fact half the time the band never know what they'll be playing next, but that's another thing lol).

If there was some aternation of Paradise, AFL, Took The Words, All Revved Up, Deadringer etc from show to show then the regular concert goers would be happy, and the one time concert goers would be happy because they'd seen some of the "staples". Personally I don't think Bat could or should be dropped. I don't think the other staples will be either, but it's a nice theory ;-)

[LucyK!]

I don't think he could, or would, ever drop BOOH, and to be honest I think some of the show would feel missing if the lights came up and we went home not having heard it.

In regards Lemon and Frying Pan...ideal world for me would be to alternate between the two. I'm swayed towards Frying Pan because I've seen it live fewer times than Lemon, but I'd be sad to see Lemon go for good, especially with Patti back. When I was younger I hated the album version (I know, shoot me now huh) and it was the live version that brought me around to it so I'd like to see it stay (and as Emma said, thing of the outfits fellas!)...but hey, only a few weeks to wait and see!

[AndrewG]

I agree with Andy. I'd like to see more artists adopt the Springsteen approach live much more, especially Meat considering his vast back catalogue now and as he himself said back in 2003 he thought he and Springsteen were the only true good rock performers left.
In my opinion "The hair of the dog tour" was done as if the band was on automatic pilot; hardly any changes to the setlist, no crowd interaction and thus only going to one or two shows was enough I thought. I'd like to see different set lists on this tour for a change.

[RadioMaster]

:twisted: The reason Meat has got to do classics like Bat and Paradise is for people who are going to see him for the first time.

Let's not be selfish about the set list here, when was the first time you saw Meat live?

First time I got to see him was 2002 (very late start to going to shows :oops: ) and how would I feel if I didn't get to see him play Bat just once?

How many people went to see him for the first time, say, on the Welcome To The Neighborhood tour?

Bat Out Of Hell was released what? 22 years years before WTTN? So why did he have to perform it then?

I think one of the guys I know who's been going to ML shows longer than most folks is Andy, and if i'm correct he saw Meat for the first time in 84 on the Bad Attitude tour.

That's a whole 7 years after Bat was released, so why should he still perform it?

If Meat didn't continue to play some of his standard classics for many years, I don't think many people on this forum would have had the opportunity to hear it live.

Hands up those who were at a Meat Loaf concert in 77/78?

Because by the rationelle of dropping classics, you wouldn't have seen Bat performed if you hadn't been to those shows.

Even if you did think Bat was getting stale (or even Paradise) could you deny fans being able to see these songs sung for themselves :??:

BUT you forget one thing: If, let's say, BOOH wasnt played, and you went to a ML concert the first, and maybe only, time: then YOU as a die hard fan would be disappointed.
But the usual concert goer, who visits a Meat Loaf concet only once,isnt as much a die hard fan as you are. So rather then complaining not to hear Bat, they'll be happy to have heard AFL, Paradise, etc once live.

I went to see Barclay James Harvest a few years ago, and amongst their greatest hits they didnt play Child of the Universe, which I was really looking forward to. But I wasnt disappointed at the end, cause I got to hear, Life is for living, Hymn, Mockingbird, ...

IF I would have been a die hard BJH fan, with only one oportunity to see their show, I of course would have been disappointed, but like 95% of the audience i was just a casual concert goer, and I predict that it's the same with 95% of the ML audience: they wont be disappointed if theres some rotation and maybe one or two staples are left out, as long as there are still enough other great songs, with maybe one or two other staples everyone knows by heart, to enjoy.

[AndrewG]

That sounds rather dodgy somehow "die hard BJH fan".

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: Yet I was talking to someone who saw him on the 3 Bats tour who said that all the classic stuff was great, but then he sang all this crap they didn't know :shrug:

Album tracks are fine for the die hard fans who have all the albums, but many people who profess to love Meat Loaf have never heard of Surf's Up, Left In The Dark, I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back.
To people who don't know them, them might as well be brand new (i.e. Just songs they don't know).
I think a lot of people do go to ML shows because the opportunity comes up to see someone they've listened to for years, so they take it.

I'm not exactly a massive Springsteen fan, and if I went to a concert because the opportunity came up, and he didn't sing songs I know, it'd be a pretty pointless experience in comparison with my expectations :shrug:

[LucyK!]

Yet I was talking to someone who saw him on the 3 Bats tour who said that all the classic stuff was great, but then he sang all this crap they didn't know

That was (I thought) definitely a problem last year. For 'us lot' it was great to see Paradise moved to the start of the concert for it to then run pretty much in album order, but from the interval onwards more than half of the arena didn't have a clue what they were listening to, perhaps with the exception of All Coming Back, which let's face it is more than likely because of the Celine Dion version. If Meat hadn't done Bat at the end of those shows he'd have been stuffed, as the vast majority didn't know anything from Bat III

[Steingirl]

I wouldn't be suprised to see a similar set list to the last tour. Im thinking a lot of duets will be involved with Patti being back so expect Paradise, Deadringer, IDAFL, I'd lie for you and Its all coming back to me now.

I'm taking my little niece to her first Meat show and she loves the duets, so I hope Meat and Patti perform all the songs listed above. However, I doubt that Meat and Patti will perform "It's All Coming Back" together, but I agree with those who said it would be great to hear "What About Love" live. Also, would be great to hear CHSIB again. I hope they do make the most of Patti's return and perform a lot of duets on this tour.

[samurai7]

put it this way; if I didn't do AFL, Took The Words, 2oo3, Paradise, Dead Ringer and Bat, I wouldn't get out of the venue alive! The other songs can be substituted, but these six MUST stay. I do always do Lemon and All Revved Up as well, and more often than not I do Heaven Can Wait too, but these are the ones people come to hear.

I'd imagine it'd be the same for Meat - these are the songs that have stood the test of time and become firm favourites. To not hear them at a concert would be wrong. I've seen many big acts who've left out their greatest hits, thinking that they've become bigger than the songs, which is a gross mistake in my book. Without those songs, you'd be playing to an empty auditorium. End of story.

[Deb]

Which show are you taking your neice to Steingirl? You should come and say hi to us all at which ever it is :-)

I'd also like to see a lot of duets on this tour now Patti's back :cool:

[Steingirl]

Which show are you taking your neice to Steingirl? You should come and say hi to us all at which ever it is :-)

I'd also like to see a lot of duets on this tour now Patti's back :cool:

I'm taking her to the London show in August. Would be so great to meet you all. I'm thinking about taking her to the Plymouth show too, so she can see Patti's return for the first time. She's a HUGE Patti fan. She refused to go to the Bat III show with me because Patti wasn't there. Now that Patti's back, she and all her little friends are begging me to take them.

[RadioMaster]

:twisted: Yet I was talking to someone who saw him on the 3 Bats tour who said that all the classic stuff was great, but then he sang all this crap they didn't know :shrug:

Album tracks are fine for the die hard fans who have all the albums, but many people who profess to love Meat Loaf have never heard of Surf's Up, Left In The Dark, I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back.
To people who don't know them, them might as well be brand new (i.e. Just songs they don't know).
I think a lot of people do go to ML shows because the opportunity comes up to see someone they've listened to for years, so they take it.

I'm not exactly a massive Springsteen fan, and if I went to a concert because the opportunity came up, and he didn't sing songs I know, it'd be a pretty pointless experience in comparison with my expectations :shrug:

Definitely true, but this is not a black or white thing. You CAN drop some staples in favour of rarer (sp?) songs, as long as you keep some other ones.

put it this way; if I didn't do AFL, Took The Words, 2oo3, Paradise, Dead Ringer and Bat, I wouldn't get out of the venue alive! The other songs can be substituted, but these six MUST stay. I do always do Lemon and All Revved Up as well, and more often than not I do Heaven Can Wait too, but these are the ones people come to hear.

I'd imagine it'd be the same for Meat - these are the songs that have stood the test of time and become firm favourites. To not hear them at a concert would be wrong. I've seen many big acts who've left out their greatest hits, thinking that they've become bigger than the songs, which is a gross mistake in my book. Without those songs, you'd be playing to an empty auditorium. End of story.

I think there's a difference.
People come to your shows to hear the songs they know, because youre not a famous rockstar (no offence :p). so the songs are the stars of the night. If they go to see ML it might be a similar situation, but not entirely. The fact the see the Loaf as a big rock star on stage (no matter if you know the songs or not) might be more important then you think.
It's a 50:50 thing I'd say, half songs and half rock star.

[Deb]

I'm taking her to the London show in August. Would be so great to meet you all. I'm thinking about taking her to the Plymouth show too, so she can see Patti's return for the first time. She's a HUGE Patti fan. She refused to go to the Bat III show with me because Patti wasn't there. Now that Patti's back, she and all her little friends are begging me to take them.

Plymouth would be good :cool: But a long trek. How far do you live from Plymouth? I'm sure she'd love to see her twice :D

[Steingirl]

Plymouth would be good :cool: But a long trek. How far do you live from Plymouth? I'm sure she'd love to see her twice :D

I'm in London. Plymouth would be a long trek, especially with three 12-year-olds (and counting). I'll probably end up going to all the UK dates at this rate. lol

[Sarge]

Okay, some people would leave a concert if a few classics were omitted, I'd probably run away if a show consisted predominantly of "greatest hits". Regardless of the artist and no matter if I was a die-hard fan or just an occasional listener. I am curious and I like surprises. I hate dull repetition. I have refrained from buying concert tickets in some cases, because some of the artists I used to admire have turned their performances into boring routine, resting on their laurels.

I don't want to get the impression that I'm listening to some "greatest hits" or "best of" album. Unfortunately, a part of the audience expects concerts to be like that. I pity them. I witnessed numerous people leaving a Springsteen show because he did not kick off with one of his popular songs. Well, the people who left missed one of the greatest rock concerts ever. I wonder what kind of relationship to music they actually have. I discovered a lot of amazing music because artists used live shows in order to present little-known material, too. Sometimes "unknown" songs are even better than the so-called "classics" and "greatest hits".

When I went to my first Meat Loaf concert, I owned one of his LPs only, I did not know most of his tunes. But the guy caught me with each and every song that night and obviously the majority of the audience felt the same. No one complained about anything. It was the brilliant, dedicated performance that mattered, not the setlist.

I was very pleased about I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us being put on the setlist last year. I had never heard it live before and at that time it impressed me more than any Bat song.

I'd favor a balanced mixture of hits and songs that are not that popular.

[Deb]

I'm in London. Plymouth would be a long trek, especially with three 12-year-olds (and counting). I'll probably end up going to all the UK dates at this rate. lol

Join the club lol :lol:

[Evil One]

There needs to be some sort of balance. I'm sure everyone would be happy if the setlist had

Bat
Paradise
Took The Words
Revved Up / Two Out Of Three
Dead Ringer
Anything For Love

and then 6 or so different songs.

The problem is the other songs always seem to be

Lemon
Frying Pan
Mercury
Break It
Black Betty

[Michael Marxen]

FRYING PAN is the most outstanding live song ever to me!

Hopefully Meat keeps it in!

[geordieloaf]

I guess it will come down to the song's he's most comfortable doing. I would think couldn't have said it better will return, and maybe he will try something different from the dead ringer album.

[Wario]

I guess it will come down to the song's he's most comfortable doing. I would think couldn't have said it better will return, and maybe he will try something different from the dead ringer album.

He has said CHSIB was one of his favorite to preform on the MSO dvd commentary.

[24K]

I would love to hear Surfs Up, Read Em and Weep, CHSIB, ILFY, Deadringer, WAYD, WAL,BAAB,KYIYDCB, could do without Lemon and RNRDreams.
However would like to see Frying Pan left in, and would always want to hear BOOH.
I am really happy Patti is back, i would love to hear a few duets with her and Meat.
Just a few surprises would be nice, i really couldn't say my ideal setlist as i change me mind constantly!!!

[Pudding]

I would love to hear Surfs Up, Read Em and Weep, CHSIB, ILFY, Deadringer, WAYD, WAL,BAAB,KYIYDCB

Absolutely :up: it'll never happen though :(

Pud :twisted:

[tonyloaf]

id love blind as a bat to be in there, i loved it in may its a real belter!! and very powerfull (dont think it will be included tho)

[duke knooby]

id love blind as a bat to be in there, i loved it in may its a real belter!! and very powerfull (dont think it will be included tho)

ya never know... i never expected Land of the Pig to be on the set list... but it was, and it was amazing, so ya just never know, lol.. keep believing and it might happen!! ;)

[tonyloaf]

ya never know... i never expected Land of the Pig to be on the set list... but it was, and it was amazing, so ya just never know, lol.. keep believing and it might happen!! ;)

i plan to, really liked the song on tour in may, id love objects to be there to but i think that will be put away for a bit now untill the time is right again