The Original BBIS Masters ....

[Wario]

Do you think Arista or Atlantic will ever release "Blind Before I Stop - Unpimped" with the dance beats omitted?

haven't you always wanted to hear what Getting Away WIth Murder Originaly have sounded like?

This thought just came to me zas i heard GAWM and i thought i was listening to the Backstreet boys.

[WhenItComes2LovingU]

Here's a hint...if Meat performed the songs live and they sounded the same as the record's arrangement for a lot of them, what does that tell you? That the record is exactly what he wanted it to sound like at the time? That he now regrets his decision (see his reaction to "Stoney and Meatloaf" at the time as opposed to now) and is backtracking because of its lack of popularity with fans?

I doubt there is any rock BBIS hiding in anyone's vault. I doubt one was recorded.

[The Flying Mouse]

Here's a hint...if Meat performed the songs live and they sounded the same as the record's arrangement for a lot of them, what does that tell you? That the record is exactly what he wanted it to sound like at the time? That he now regrets his decision (see his reaction to "Stoney and Meatloaf" at the time as opposed to now) and is backtracking because of its lack of popularity with fans?

I doubt there is any rock BBIS hiding in anyone's vault. I doubt one was recorded.

:twisted: You think the live versions sounded like the album? :rly:

[Wario]

:twisted: You think the live versions sounded like the album? :rly:

Yea, Masculine wasn't an 8 minute album track.... :|

[Sarge]

:twisted: You think the live versions sounded like the album? :rly:

They didn't, thank God! :-) I don't believe that there are recordings which sound much different from the ones that were released. Remember who was in charge of the production: Frank Farian, who created bands like Boney M. and Milli Vanilli. ;)

[The Flying Mouse]

Yea, Masculine wasn't an 8 minute album track.... :|

:twisted: Not the versions i've heard :wtf:

[RadioMaster]

even if there is another version of BBIS, there is LOADS of stuff id rather be interested to hear than this, for example:
- the studio versions of the dream engine tracks
- the ML demos of making love and total eclipse
- the US mix of Bad Attitude (which I still havent got round to buy)
- the original BOOH demos (27 min paradise, etc)
and so on...

[Renegade Angel]

BBIS songs performed on the 1987 tour were a little bit rockier but not much, the main difference was Burning Down, that song was much heavier live.
Special Girl sounded much better live aswell.

[allrevvedup]

even if there is another version of BBIS, there is LOADS of stuff id rather be interested to hear than this, for example:

- the ML demos of making love and total eclipse

- the original BOOH demos (27 min paradise, etc)
and so on...

you think they really exist or was it just said to sound good?

[allrevvedup]

Here's a hint...if Meat performed the songs live and they sounded the same as the record's arrangement for a lot of them, what does that tell you? That the record is exactly what he wanted it to sound like at the time? That he now regrets his decision (see his reaction to "Stoney and Meatloaf" at the time as opposed to now) and is backtracking because of its lack of popularity with fans?

I doubt there is any rock BBIS hiding in anyone's vault. I doubt one was recorded.

hey i'm in no doubt that meat spins a lot of stories based on the popularity of albums, much as an actor loves the director and the plotline before the film then goes on to criticise it while promoting his next one.

I've heard him say in interviews that he wasn't really there for DRFL and MATLAF but he still went and toured it so who knows.

It was the time when rock was getting diluted, look at Ozzy and Kiss as examples...but i think he did regret the way BBIS was done because he made significant changes to the songs he used live.

[RadioMaster]

you think they really exist or was it just said to sound good?

doesnt matter, i said id like to hear them, no idea if they exist or not. (i rather doubt it btw)

[Wario]

:twisted: Not the versions i've heard :wtf:

Live at Wembley's CD version of Masculine is 8 mins. i believe. or at minimum 7 mins

[samurai7]

Live at Wembley's CD version of Masculine is 8 mins. i believe. or at minimum 7 mins

6.50 ;)

[WhenItComes2LovingU]

Aside from "Rock and Roll Mercenaries," which I will concede is very different (and better) in its live version, I must say that the rest of the songs, aside from length, sound very much like the album, with little variation aside from the fact that there are live drums (as opposed to programming) and maybe some have a faster tempo.

[WhenItComes2LovingU]

BBIS songs performed on the 1987 tour were a little bit rockier but not much, the main difference was Burning Down, that song was much heavier live.
Special Girl sounded much better live as well.

Speaking of "Burning Down," I always wanted to hear that live version...;) Can some nice people write me with a nice gift that I won't mention the nature of and God I feel like I'm being obvious?

[Wario]

6.50 ;)

Wow ..... or was it the Objects single version?

[duke knooby]

from page 256 of meat loaf to hell and back regarding bbis

... i took home a mix of a rock-and-roll record. After i left, Ferian went back in and put a dance beat on every song, with the exception of one, execution day which dick wagner had written. i had execution day as the last song on the album. Ferian changed the order of the album around and added all this dance beat stuff. The first copy I got of the record was the promotional copy - it was already pressed. I remember putting it on the stereo in Westport and I'm thinking, "the order, they've changed the order!" But before i call anyone i decide to just listen to everything.

First i hear execution day, and it's fine. The next song was blind before i stop, and i hear underneath dance beat sounds. I think, "what the hell is that?" Then i listen to the next song and theres a dance beat underneath on it, And on every song.

"Oh my God, oh my God" was all i could say....

sorry about the punctuation but i couldn't be arsed fixing it

[Wario]

from page 256 of meat loaf to hell and back regarding bbis

... i took home a mix of a rock-and-roll record. After i left, Ferian went back in and put a dance beat on every song, with the exception of one, execution day which dick wagner had written. i had execution day as the last song on the album. Ferian changed the order of the album around and added all this dance beat stuff. The first copy I got of the record was the promotional copy - it was already pressed. I remember putting it on the stereo in Westport and I'm thinking, "the order, they've changed the order!" But before i call anyone i decide to just listen to everything.

First i hear execution day, and it's fine. The next song was blind before i stop, and i hear underneath dance beat sounds. I think, "what the hell is that?" Then i listen to the next song and theres a dance beat underneath on it, And on every song.

"Oh my God, oh my God" was all i could say....

sorry about the punctuation but i couldn't be arsed fixing it

So meat could still have the original mixed masters w/o the dance beats

[duke knooby]

take from it what you want.. just remember that book came out 12 or 13 years later, (think stoney and meat loaf at the time of bat's release regarding the comments made, not the time frame) and meat is known to spin a great story for promotion of a product (though i can't see any reason to mention that to boost sales lol)

[Sarge]

In this regard, consider that he apparently does not even recall the producer's actual name... ;)

[allrevvedup]

for BBIS or for Stoney and Meat Loaf?

[Sarge]

BBIS - it's Farian not Ferian. What Meat Loaf says about him in his autobiography is a little contradictory. As far as I remember, a few lines before the paragraph that is quoted here, he seems to think highly of Farian and his sounds. The music Farian has produced so far has always been quite different from what you expect a rock or Meat Loaf album to sound like, so I wonder whether there had ever been a real possibility for BBIS to sound distinctively different from the version we know.

[AndyK]

I wonder whether there had ever been a real possibility for BBIS to sound distinctively different from the version we know.

Yes there was. Bob Kulick gave an interview for RVM a couple of years ago and he said that BBIS sounded completely different until Farian and the record company got thier hands on it. Same with Bad Attitude to some extent, although Meat and the band managed to fix that soimewhat for the US release.

[Sarge]

until Farian and the record company got thier hands on it

I still wonder how you can pick Farian as a producer at all when you are about to make a rock album. :confused:

[Evil One]

At that point in his career I don't think Meat was in much of a position to pick and choose.

[WhenItComes2LovingU]

He did go on to say in the book that Bob Ellis told him that the reason the album was going out as is was to finish the contract with Arista. "Yeah, Bob, and the check is in the mail."

[batcity]

all the songs off BBIS sounded great live, my first concert was birmingham nec 1987. yes frank farian put the dance beats on the record, could've been worse he might of put boney m's background vocals to the album, without meat knowing!!!

But as it goes BBIS is a good album!!!

[WhenItComes2LovingU]

Actually, all of the people on the record (with the exception of John Parr, John Golden and Meat Loaf himself), even Amy and Elaine Goff, are mainly the same people who worked with Farian on his other projects such as Boney M and Milli Vanilli, adding further credence to my belief that Meat did not actually record a rock version of the album in Germany in 1986.

[samurai7]

the live album was the one put out to finish the contract, not BBIS. He even got his brother-in-law Tom Edmunds to produce it on the cheap. Arista had Meat signed to a 3 album deal - BA, BBIS and Live.

[WhenItComes2LovingU]

Either way, the fact remains that it was hardly a rock album by all circumstantial evidence.