if you got some money left ... you know my birthday's coming up ...

[RadioMaster]

then click here! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DRUM-STICKS-FROM-MEAT-LOAF-DRUMMER-JOHN-MICELI_W0QQitemZ150295457077QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150295457077&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

Wonder who's so desperate to pay more than 100 pounds...

[~Helen~]

looking at the bid history, they started at about 20 pounds, so someone must be!

[AndrewG]

That's just ridiculous. Deb's probably got gazillions of these I would imagine. She could make a fortune going by this.

[RadioMaster]

if it's some crazed John fan I dont wanna imagine what they're gonna do to those drumsticks :shock:

[AndrewG]

Good thing then it's not the light up ones they use sometimes. :shock:

[duke knooby]

i know who used to own those!!!

[The Flying Mouse]

if it's some crazed John fan I dont wanna imagine what they're gonna do to those drumsticks :shock:


:twisted: That is NOT an image I want in my head :shock:

i know who used to own those!!!


Yeah, John Miceli :p :mrgreen:

[AndrewG]

Yeah, John Miceli :p :mrgreen:

And before that a tree!

[RadioMaster]

and before that? :p

[Monstro]

I paid one hell of a lot less than this and got plectrums, set listing and a pass as well as the drum sticks, I'll admit I was surprised that they didn't go for more but this price is a bit much lol

[AndrewG]

A kiss from Patti fair enough but no band related object signed by anyone I would pay this kind of amount of money for.

[RadioMaster]

that reminds me, who actually ended up buying aspens wedding dress?

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: I've just shown Jo the drumsticks on e bay, and asked her how much she thought they were going for.

Jo's valuation.........................

















£1000 :faint:

Remind me NEVER to let her out with a credit card :yikes:

[AndyK]

:twisted: I've just shown Jo the drumsticks on e bay, and asked her how much she thought they were going for.

Jo's valuation.........................

















£1000 :faint:

Remind me NEVER to let her out with a credit card :yikes:


I've got a couiple spare she can have for that price :))

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: Do NOT tell her that :bleh:

[MeatGrl1]

You could probably ask John for them and he'd give you them free... This is ripping fans off big style !!!

[LucyK!]

It's not ripping fans off at all...someone has a pair of sticks, they don't want them so they've put them on Ebay, there's no reserve on them so it's entirely down to the bidder that they've gone up to that much. I'd guess that the bidder doesn't realise that people are given (or catch) sticks for free if he thinks they're worth £100+ but I don't see how anyone's been ripped off when they've bid willingly

[RadioMaster]

youve hit the nail on the head Lucy.

(if you have that saying over there)

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: Agreed with Lucy :up:

And it's not just ONE bidder.
Obviously at least two people think it's worth the money.

They're certainly not the most common items in the world (I don't own any, and Michael had to buy his from e bay so it's not like they are THAT easy to get hold of) but I personally don't think they are worth the amount they're going for.

Saying that, it's relative to how much disposable income you have.
I dare say if I won the lottery i'd be happy to pay over the odds for Meat Loaf related bits and pieces.
If a few fans have got the kind of budget where they can throw a hundred quid at a pair of drum sticks without feeling a pinch, then good luck to them :shrug:

[RadioMaster]

Saying that, it's relative to how much disposable income you have.
I dare say if I won the lottery i'd be happy to pay over the odds for Meat Loaf related bits and pieces.
If a few fans have got the kind of budget where they can throw a hundred quid at a pair of drum sticks without feeling a pinch, then good luck to them :shrug:


I dont know....youve still got some common sense though.
Even if I was a millionaire I couldnt justify paying such a price. I'd rather go and give the money to people in need.
Even if you have loads of money, that doesnt mean you forget your idea of money.

(same reason I didnt/wouldnt buy an M&G, but that's another story)

[Monstro]

There's been a couple of singles on ebay but to the best of my knowledge this is only the second time a pair have gone on sale.

For the record I paid £27 for this lot...

http://media.mlxxfc.net/sticks2.JPG

[RadioMaster]

you could sell it all on seperately and make a fortune!

[LucyK!]

I love my drumsticks and wouldn't part with any of them, though I am thinking of them as currency now :lol:

I can only assume that this guy (or girl) doesn't know how the seller came to have the sticks in the first place if they're willing to pay that much...I have limits on how much I'll pay for certain things but I couldn't let myself pay over £100 for something that I know probably got to the seller for free :?

[AndyK]

Depending on how much these finally go for, I could see John considering supplementing his income here :))

[The Flying Mouse]

I dont know....youve still got some common sense though.


:twisted: I DO? :shock:


Even if I was a millionaire I couldnt justify paying such a price. I'd rather go and give the money to people in need.

A nice and commendable sentiment, but I believe false logic.
There many people who are loaded, and give plenty of charity in terms of money, time, and support, but i'll bet you a pound to a Euro every one of them has bought something dumb with a silly price tag within the last year :nuts: .

Meat has not long took part in the Dead Ringer For Glove, but do you really think he's not seen a piece of needless crap for a hundred bucks or so and thought "neat, i'll have that" (and no Jonty, i'm NOT talking about any Bat III songs.Thought i'd get in first there :wink: ).

Even the richest person is entitled to a little "mad money".





Even if you have loads of money, that doesnt mean you forget your idea of money.


No, it doesn't have to mean you FORGET your idea of money, but it would change your perspective.Like it or not :shrug:






(same reason I didnt/wouldnt buy an M&G, but that's another story)


Reason I didn't was that it was too rich for my blood right now.
If I had the spare cash, and I wouldn't miss it, I would have bought M&G's all day long for every show :yep:

And a limo and private plane to get from one show to the next :mrgreen:


I might have to open a whole chain of soup kitchens and hospital wards to ease my conscience, but hey, if money's no object, why the hell not :shrug:

[The Flying Mouse]

I love my drumsticks and wouldn't part with any of them, though I am thinking of them as currency now :lol:

I can only assume that this guy (or girl) doesn't know how the seller came to have the sticks in the first place if they're willing to pay that much...I have limits on how much I'll pay for certain things but I couldn't let myself pay over £100 for something that I know probably got to the seller for free :?

:twisted: I can't really say I believe the price the current owner paid (or didn't as the case may be :lol: ) is highly relevant.
The sticks have (rightly or wrongly) a monetary value, and there will always be people willing to pay cash for sought after items.
Napoleon made gifts of locks of his own hair to favorites.
These were given free of charge, but try to find a lock these days that won't set you back a few grand :shrug:

It's an auction, so the buyer is setting the price, although if the seller had set that price as a reserve or starting price, i'd dismiss him as a cheeky ~~~~~~.



Depending on how much these finally go for, I could see John considering supplementing his income here :))


And in today's news, the Dow Jones was up against the yen by three points this morning, but down 68 points against the John Miceli Drum Stick :mrgreen: :lmao:

[LucyK!]

I guess it comes down to how much person wants to own an item, and whether they care where it's come from...I personally wouldn't ever spend money on things like the band plectrums or concert flyers because I know that the seller aquired them for free in the first place. No matter how much I wanted those sticks I'd never have paid for them because I know that the seller more than likely received them for free in the first place, but that's my personal way of using Ebay, and if people are happy to pay for them then good luck to them, and fair play to the seller for making some money :up:

[MissAsh]

Yup I'm with Lucy on this one.
Personally I wouldn't want to buy anything like this. I'm very lucky in that I already have one of John's drumsticks which he threw to me at one of Meat's gigs (after trying two/three times to get one to me!). That's one of the things that makes it so special though, that the stick was thrown to me personally, same with the other drumsticks and plectrums that I've been given by bands. Sure a random one bought off eBay would look pretty nice up on my wall but it wouldn't really have the sentimental value for me.

Each to their own though, I can understand people wanting to own items like this if they're collectors etc as they aren't exactly the most common item.

[RadioMaster]

@Lucy and Ash

You'd have to see the point of view of other people though. Most of us are usually close to the stage, and so have a chance of catching something from the band. But that's probably just about 100 out of 10000 people. That means 99% of all Meat Loaf concert goers will never have the chance to get drumsticks, picks, etc from the band. So it's understandable for a fan, who goes to many concerts, but might not be lucky enough to save himself/herself a spot in the first few rows, to try and get the concert memorablilia some other way.

And on a different note: The bidding on the sticks has ended.
Congrats to "mrmeat1969" who bought John's drumsticks for 102 pounds.

[AndyK]

You'd have to see the point of view of other people though. Most of us are usually close to the stage, and so have a chance of catching something from the band. But that's probably just about 100 out of 10000 people. That means 99% of all Meat Loaf concert goers will never have the chance to get drumsticks, picks, etc from the band. So it's understandable for a fan, who goes to many concerts, but might not be lucky enough to save himself/herself a spot in the first few rows, to try and get the concert memorablilia some other way.



Can see your point exactly RJ, after Meat's second concert at the NEC in May 07 we got chatting to a couple afterwards who were very jealous of the drum stick that Lucy caught at the end iof the show. It's very easy to take for granted the good fortune that many of us have had with respect to our positions in the concert hall and also the memorabilia that that may have brought.

[Deb]

Only just noticed what this thread was actually about lol. Although I;ve had the link to this auction sent to me many times :lmao:

That's just ridiculous. Deb's probably got gazillions of these I would imagine. She could make a fortune going by this.

Could but NEVER would. Although Dave did wander around the house looking for all of them once I'd shown him how much they were going for :twisted:

if it's some crazed John fan I dont wanna imagine what they're gonna do to those drumsticks :shock:

:shock: (refrain from replying Deb lol)

You could probably ask John for them and he'd give you them free...

Probably not after seeing what fans 'can' do with them :?

Depending on how much these finally go for, I could see John considering supplementing his income here :))

John wanted / wants to sell something once a month on ebay for charity. it's for a very good cause and IMO anyone willing to bid stupid amounts like this would be far better spending their money on the things John will auction. I'm pretty sure these auctions will start beg of Oct :cool:

[RadioMaster]

John wanted / wants to sell something once a month on ebay for charity. it's for a very good cause and IMO anyone willing to bid stupid amounts like this would be far better spending their money on the things John will auction. I'm pretty sure these auctions will start beg of Oct :cool:

that's a very good idea! If there are people out there paying ridiculous amounts of money Id rather see that money going into charity than another ebay seller trying to make some money. (although for the record, I can imagine that the person who sold these was suprised about the price they went for as well lol)

[Deb]

It's not ripping fans off at all...someone has a pair of sticks, they don't want them so they've put them on Ebay

I don't see it as ripping the fans off, but I do see it as many other things lol.

For a start why bother to ask/get them from John in the first place if they dont want them and then put them on ebay. The fact they got them purely to sell is imo wrong as I'm sure that John seeing things like this happen, will discourage him from giving them away in future. Which in turn will affect what everyone gets for free. So in that respect it is ripping the fans off to an extent.

I'm with many others here, I would never buy anything this way, it just wouldn't have the same meaning to me. Anything I have means far too much to me on a personal level and I would never sell it. But in saying that I can see why those who haven't had the chance to get things like some of us have would feel they needed to buy them this way.

[Deb]

that's a very good idea! If there are people out there paying ridiculous amounts of money Id rather see that money going into charity than another ebay seller trying to make some money. (although for the record, I can imagine that the person who sold these was suprised about the price they went for as well lol)


I just wish he'd done it before this auction. As i'm sure there are only so many who are willing to pay that much for something like that. I'd be much happier about them having gone for £102 to a charity of Johns choice than some greedy gits pocket after he got them from John in the first place.

But yeah I bet he was suprised lol, looking at what other stuff he's sold has gone for ;-)

[AndyK]

John wanted / wants to sell something once a month on ebay for charity. it's for a very good cause and IMO anyone willing to bid stupid amounts like this would be far better spending their money on the things John will auction. I'm pretty sure these auctions will start beg of Oct :cool:


That's a great idea, as you say shame this didn't get going before this auction appeared ... that £102 would have been a welcome start!

[LucyK!]

@Lucy and Ash

You'd have to see the point of view of other people though. Most of us are usually close to the stage, and so have a chance of catching something from the band. But that's probably just about 100 out of 10000 people. That means 99% of all Meat Loaf concert goers will never have the chance to get drumsticks, picks, etc from the band. So it's understandable for a fan, who goes to many concerts, but might not be lucky enough to save himself/herself a spot in the first few rows, to try and get the concert memorablilia some other way.

And on a different note: The bidding on the sticks has ended.
Congrats to "mrmeat1969" who bought John's drumsticks for 102 pounds.

I understand that entirely, but I was posting my view as one of the people who has been lucky enough to aquire a lot of plectrums and a few drum sticks. If i'd not been close to the stage and really wanted the sticks then I absolutely would have bid on them to get what I wanted, though still less willingly than I've bought other items knowing that the seller more than likely aquired them for free. I consider myself very lucky to have had such good places at shows and would never take for granted the opportunities I've had to do so or the things that I've gained from it, I just wouldn't have bid on these! :lol:

[RadioMaster]

knowing that the seller more than likely aquired them for free.


As this has been mentioned by several people:
I dont really see the problem with this...
You have something you dont want - you sell it on ebay. What does it matter how much (or if) the seller payed for it originally?

Lot's of people make a living through selling stuff on ebay, and IMO there's nothing immoral with that.

Of course, the thing would be different if (as Debbie says) the person aquired them from John just to make money with them.

[mszee]

As this has been mentioned by several people:
I dont really see the problem with this...
You have something you dont want - you sell it on ebay. What does it matter how much (or if) the seller payed for it originally?

I agree with this. It serves it's purposes. Somebody doesn't need something, somebody desperately needs money...they sell...and somebody who needs the item...they buy...most of you buy memorabilia on ebay...so how is it a problem then? Most of you would have had pretty poor collections if it wasn't for ebay...

On top of it, I am pretty sure artists know that their memorabilia is sold on ebay and other bidding sites like Amazon...and unless they are OJ Simpson...they usually don't do anything about it...

[mszee]

I just saw that RJ modified his post...about person knowing in advance whether they want to sell acquired item...well, that I guess we shall never find out...

[RadioMaster]

I just saw that RJ modified his post...about person knowing in advance whether they want to sell acquired item...well, that I guess we shall never find out...

stupid me incindently clicked on submit reply too early.

[mszee]

stupid me incindently clicked on submit reply too early.

It really doesn't matter...the point is a point...if John threw drum sticks to somebody in the audience and they caught it and they have no use for that...if it was me...I would have given them away...for somebody...they sell them...why not?

[Deb]

Of course, the thing would be different if (as Debbie says) the person aquired them from John just to make money with them.

The person did aquire these from John. I messaged the seller yesterday and he told me he worked at a show in Ireland where he got these from John. Now i'm sure John wouldn't just go up to someone working and say, Hi here's some drumsticks. Th person would have asked for them i'm sure. And judging by what the person is selling then he definitely did it for money.

knowing these Meat / John sticks are very limited lately I think that sucks when John wanted to sell them for charity.

[Monstro]

It's unfortunate but most of my most important Meaty items at some point went for free, promo items such as singles, albums cd's etc..music industry awards and to top it all off my leather jacket, that was a promo item given to 12 people by the record company.

I believe Ebay performs an important part in collectors ways of appropriating things, I for one have been to more concerts than I'd care to mention but have never been thrown drum sticks or plectrums, those go to a lucky few but I still wanted them in my collection so bought them. As to what value I put on things, to be honest it usually has a direct bearing as to the bank account's ballance at the time of auction end as I've never bought anything on credit, that value may be more or less than other peoples valuations as we can all put different values to the same item, it just depends how much it means to you personally.

I just pray the bank account's healthy next time CHSIBM vinyl pops up lol

[mszee]

I am pretty sure that John didn't give this person sticks and said...I am giving you these on one condition...you can never ever sell them...

Seeing how John can have as many of those sticks as he wants to, I don't see what prevents him from selling them for charity? Or anything else for that matter?

[Deb]

He can only have as many as he wants if someone pays to have them made ;)

[RadioMaster]

my leather jacket, that was a promo item given to 12 people by the record company.
You just dont get tired of telling that story, do you? :p:twisted:

I believe Ebay performs an important part in collectors ways of appropriating things, I for one have been to more concerts than I'd care to mention but have never been thrown drum sticks or plectrums
Maybe if you shaved, and grew some long blonde hair ;)

As to what value I put on things, to be honest it usually has a direct bearing as to the bank account's ballance at the time of auction end as I've never bought anything on credit, that value may be more or less than other peoples valuations as we can all put different values to the same item, it just depends how much it means to you personally.


I agree.

[AndyK]

It's unfortunate but most of my most important Meaty items at some point went for free, promo items such as singles, albums cd's etc..music industry awards and to top it all off my leather jacket, that was a promo item given to 12 people by the record company.

I think that's an important nail hit on the head with regard to this.

The vast majority of the highly-collectable items in all of our collections are promo-type items which were given away for nothing. They're generally rarer because they were given away for free, and hence are more desireable to the collectors. Which is why they command a higher price.

Of course there are the exceptions to the rule (The CHSIB vinyl for example which was available in a limited number to purchase).

That doens't take away from the fact that obtaining something for free purely with the intention of selling it isn't 100% right, moral or ethical.

[Deb]

That doens't take away from the fact that obtaining something for free purely with the intention of selling it isn't 100% right, moral or ethical.

My thoughts exactly :D

[Monstro]

That doens't take away from the fact that obtaining something for free purely with the intention of selling it isn't 100% right, moral or ethical.

Another nail hit firmly on the head, prime example of this is the "signed" guitars on ebay, meat signs the guard which is the put on a guitar and the whole thing is done purely for profit.

I've noticed that at some of the concerts this year security were picking up and pocketing plectrums and the set lists, I watched to see if someone had got in first with a request but these weren't handed over to fans.

[AndyK]

But ... playing devils advocate here ...

Many people who are employed at the venues Meat plays are often paid little more than minimum wage. So, you can sort of see the sellers point of view that it's an opportunity to earn a little extra cash when items like these sticks are potentially available.

I don't know what the opening bid was set to on this auction, did anyone notice? As that has a bearing on how much the seller was blatantly profiteering here (was the starting price high?) or were they merely trying to clear some stuff that they didn't want anymore? (Was the starting proce 99p plus postage?).

I know for a fact that I've sold stuff on ebay to clear space and get rid of unwanted items that I had. I set the starting price based on what I wanted for the item and what I thought was a fair market price ... the fact that some of the items sold for far more than that is a bonus for me, but I didn't force people to bid on them.

[Monstro]

Opening price was £19.99

[Deb]

The sad truth is there's those that want to give in this world and those that want to take. I know which side i'm firmly on, thankfully...

I'd rather be me and poor than the alternatives and rich :roll:

[AndyK]

Opening price was £19.99

Profiteering then!

[RadioMaster]

I don't know what the opening bid was set to on this auction, did anyone notice? As that has a bearing on how much the seller was blatantly profiteering here (was the starting price high?) or were they merely trying to clear some stuff that they didn't want anymore? (Was the starting proce 99p plus postage?).


20 Pounds.

edit: sorry, too late.

[LucyK!]

As this has been mentioned by several people:
I dont really see the problem with this...
You have something you dont want - you sell it on ebay. What does it matter how much (or if) the seller payed for it originally?

Lot's of people make a living through selling stuff on ebay, and IMO there's nothing immoral with that.

Of course, the thing would be different if (as Debbie says) the person aquired them from John just to make money with them.

lol I'm agreeing with you RJ (I just don't think I'm voicing it very well as my brain's on it's arse at the minute)...I don't have any issue at all with people selling things that they aquired for free, as I said when quoting Meatgrl's post. I don't care if people are selling things they got for free,I'm just saying that as an Ebay buyer I tend not to buy those things

[The Flying Mouse]

You'd have to see the point of view of other people though. Most of us are usually close to the stage, and so have a chance of catching something from the band. But that's probably just about 100 out of 10000 people. That means 99% of all Meat Loaf concert goers will never have the chance to get drumsticks, picks, etc from the band. So it's understandable for a fan, who goes to many concerts, but might not be lucky enough to save himself/herself a spot in the first few rows, to try and get the concert memorablilia some other way.


:twisted: Quoted for truth :up:

I've been to one or two shows now, and generally have pretty good seats, but i've never been lucky enough to catch a single pleckie or drumstick thrown by a member of the band.

The one thing I HAVE been lucky enough to swipe is one of Meat's water bottles :lmao:


I DO have one Meat Loaf pleckie, and that came from e bay.
If that person hadn't been willing to sell I wouldn't have one, and going by my record so far, I wouldn't hold out much hope :sad:


I agree completely that there is something that sticks in the gullet about people who obtain things purely to make a profit, but rightly or wrongly, many times these are the people one must deal with if you wish to own a particular piece like this.


Looking at the sellers feedback, I see that other items they have sold include........


DOLLY PARTON CREW T-SHIRT (#150277535994)

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN AND ESTREET BAND CONCERT CREW T-SHIRT (#150266813089)

DOLLY PARTON CONCERT CREW T-SHIRT 2008 XL (#150265904638)

KYLIE MINOGUE CONCERT CREW T-SHIRT 2008 XL (#150266816129)

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN AND ESTREET BAND CONCERT CREW T-SHIRT (#150266812692)

KYLIE MINOGUE CONCERT CREW T-SHIRT 2008 XL (#150266810313)

plecturm from take that tour (#150250432251)


This certainly would indicate that the seller is indeed someone who works many musical events and has acquired some sought after music memorabilia (and a Take That pleckie :p )
Now perhaps this person gets stuff from every show they do to make a few quid from the fans, or perhaps this is their personal collection of souvenirs from gigs they have worked that they are having to sell because of the credit crunch.


Either way, they are a rare source from which to obtain much sought after items.


A few people have said that they have many picks/drum sticks etc, and that they would never part with them.

Got to say I agree with them and wouldn't be in a rush to let them go myself :lol:


But if they don't come from YOU.
And they can't be obtained at A SHOW (unless you are VERY lucky)
then these are the only place fans can obtain them from.


BTW, I completely salute John for coming up with the charity auction every month 8) .
Hopefully this will allow everyone the chance to own own the pieces they want without breaking the bank, and all in a good cause too :up:

[mszee]

BTW...as I was reading Neil's post...and before that - Andy's...something came to my mind...did it occur to any one of you that these musicians might be giving out this memorabilia as "tips" so to speak to people who work events?

It is very popular in America to tip just about anybody for their services...maybe giving something to a stage hand is a token of appreciation that artist hopes can be turned into more than $5.- they would give them otherwise?

[Deb]

A few people have said that they have many picks/drum sticks etc, and that they would never part with them.

Got to say I agree with them and wouldn't be in a rush to let them go myself :lol:

But if they don't come from YOU.
And they can't be obtained at A SHOW (unless you are VERY lucky)
then these are the only place fans can obtain them from.



I only said I wouldn't sell them, I've gave many many water bottles, plectrums, setlists and drumsticks (To name but a few) away to worthy causes. I know i'm not the only one either. We just don't all feel the need to start threads and databases to show people we've done it ;)



[QUOTE=mszee;439021]BTW...as I was reading Neil's post...and before that - Andy's...something came to my mind...did it occur to any one of you that these musicians might be giving out this memorabilia as "tips" so to speak to people who work events?

It is very popular in America to tip just about anybody for their services...maybe giving something to a stage hand is a token of appreciation that artist hopes can be turned into more than $5.- they would give them otherwise?

This didn't happen in this case :-)