Meat Loaf vs. Jim Steinman

[roomster]

Hello,

There have been many controversies between Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman, but how is their friendship today? Is it still cold and nearly none existing? Anyone who knows?

Some newly made contributions from Jim Steinman for the forthcoming Meat Loaf album would make my day :D

[MeatGrl1]

Is this topic even allowed to be discussed ?

[RSG]

Your english is great here!

I think its fair to say that only the two men can say for sure. Even than, words can never convey, everything our hearts has to say.
I must be honest, that is not my line. My dad gave it to me on a christmas card once. I'm just starting at life. It means an awfully lot to me.

[roomster]

Is this topic even allowed to be discussed ?

Why should it not be allowed to discuss this?

[carole]

I think that is something that is between Meat and Jim and we shouldn't get involved in it.

Carole

[roomster]

I think that is something that is between Meat and Jim and we shouldn't get involved in it.

I think the conflict are relevant for the music and the fans, because if the relationship is back to normal, maybe we'll see some newly made contributions from Jim on the forthcoming record?

I'm not starting this thread for digging out dirty secrets or spreading hearsay, so I really dont understand the scepticism of debating this...

[allrevvedup]

I think Meat has already said that Jim is not going to be on this album but who knows.

It's a long (winded) story that has taken many twists and turns. I think what MeatGrl was trying to suggest was that maybe this kind of topic has been done to death over the years.

[RadioMaster]

I predict, with my future telling powers, that this thread will be locked....

[Pudding]

I think that is something that is between Meat and Jim and we shouldn't get involved in it.

Making a comment about a subject matter whether it to be everyone's taste or not isn't getting involved.

I believe Meat and Jims friendship is the same as it always was, on again, off again, on again, off again, like a pair of hookers knickers on a busy Friday night.

Pud :twisted:

[daveake]

I believe Meat and Jims friendship is the same as it always was, on again, off again, on again, off again, like a pair of hookers knickers on a busy Friday night.

Pud :twisted:

:lmao: So was Bat III sloppy-thirds or just a skidmark in the history of BooH?

Also, what does that make Sonenberg? ;-)

Dave

[RadioMaster]

Also, what does that make Sonenberg? ;-)


:lmao:

[mediameat]

doesnt this discussion get a little tiresome? We always end up with the same conclusion!! :-) (no offence intended for pc-ness)

[Pudding]

Since no one has taken either side and slagged off the other, I think this discussion is quite unique with a completely new conclusion :))

Pud :twisted:

[For crying out loud]

i dont understand this idea that "were not allowed to discuss this" it happened when i asked somthing before. this is a fanclub for meatloaf so if fans want to question somthing surely this is the place to do so. none us may have the answers, but do we have to make it sound so much like a secret society. making anyone who asks "the wrong questions" feel really akward.

[RadioMaster]

of course were allowed to discuss this subject, people who say otherwise are just stupid. The only problem is, that most of these threads turn into a slagging-match between Meat and Jim fans, and I'm afraid a thread title like this isnt really helpful on that matter.

[nikox1]

here here,,,, as i always have said! if they really want to work together they would? as much as the bat out of hells have been a blessing for them, they have always been a curse too. im sure they both have great respect for each other, as we the fans also respect both men. i do think that before meat retires they will do something together [ maybe not a full album ] but maybe some new songs?

[daveake]

Full album? No chance IMO. A track or two? I think so.

Dave

[mszee]

Full album? No chance IMO. A track or two? I think so.

Dave

Agreed...but probably nothing at all together in my honest opinion...

[Pudding]

as much as the bat out of hells have been a blessing for them

Well Two Out Of Three Aint Bad :lmao:

Pud :twisted:

[nikox1]

Well Two Out Of Three Aint Bad :lmao:

Pud :twisted:

before i even seen the reply! i knew it would be in response to something i wrote:D im so :O

bat out of hell 3 went ahead for a good reason, jim doesnt seem to be writing songs for anybody these days [ and even as the legend he is ] he does write slowly, so usually record companys dont wait!

[nikox1]

i would like to add, judging by the joke that the bat out of hell musical is becoming? i think meat was right to go and give bat 3 hes best shot!! not everyone likes it [ but he did hes best ] i think jim is an amazing writer, but he seems to always come with so much baggage! hey maybe thats part of hes genius? but they will probably do a song or 2 together:shock:

[Pudding]

Just because we haven't heard anything from Jim in a while, along long while, doesn't mean he hasn't been writing. That said, I agree, the Bat musical has become a bit of a joke.

Pud :twisted:

[nikox1]

you agreed with something i said?;)
it is a shame that it will probably not happen:(
jim seems to have surrounded himself with morans:(
well, what can you do:|

[nikox1]

i mean morons? anyway

[RadioMaster]

bat out of hell 3 went ahead for a good reason, jim doesnt seem to be writing songs for anybody these days [ and even as the legend he is ] he does write slowly, so usually record companys dont wait!

and this, ladies and gentlemen, is the beginning of the argument that gets this sort of thread locked.

[duke knooby]

bat out of hell 3 went ahead for a good reason,

either that, or there was a contract in place to record a record of that name :??: only messin :D don't shoot me

[nikox1]

and this, ladies and gentlemen, is the beginning of the argument that gets this sort of thread locked.

and this is why it gets locked [ because people get dramatic ]
HELP!! its the end of the world

[Pudding]

and this, ladies and gentlemen, is the beginning of the argument that gets this sort of thread locked.

I fail to follow your logic :wtf: since what was said wasn't at all that far from the truth.

1. bat out of hell 3 did go ahead for a good reason - money$$$ they thought it would be a cash cow on name alone.
2. jim doesnt seem to be writing songs for anybody these days
3. he does write slowly, so usually record companys dont wait!

Pud :twisted:

[nikox1]

thanks pudding:D
i was wondering what the hell i was ment to have said wrong?

[RadioMaster]

I fail to follow your logic :wtf: since what was said wasn't at all that far from the truth.



I didnt say that he/she wasnt right, I just said that this was the start of the usual debate, which will go out of control soon.
And, as it looks right now, I was probably right.

[AndyK]

It only gets out of control if people let it get out of control...

Let's see if it's possible to have a discussion round this topic where people actually think before pressing "post reply" shall we :))

[RadioMaster]

think before pressing "post reply"

Now youre really asking too much of us :))

[WhenItComes2LovingU]

I don't think that's asking too much of us. Basically, without trying to psych myself out about the whole thing thinking of who's done what to whom over time, I think Sam Ellis came up with the best possible summation back in 1977 before everything: "It's a love-hate relationship that you've gotta love." When they're "in love," metaphorically speaking, the whole world is springtime, and we get a lot of goodies out of the deal. On the other hand, when they're not...well, let's just say they must have been "in love" a lot because they did some of their best work together for a long time, and who's been the better for it? Us!

[Pudding]

Jim writes the songs (whenever he can be bothered) and Meat Loaf is the vehicle to which those songs are sung (some of the time). Deadringer is a fantastic album and they weren't 'in love' when that was done.

Pud :twisted:

[lisa01]

I think meat loaf may work with jim when the time is right for both of them to work together. i think jim is a fantastic writer and meat loaf is a fantastic singer i hope meat loaf will put one of jims songs on the new album. i think meat loaf and jim have always had a very strong friendship and that what makes good team work.from lisa01

[~Helen~]

imo, so long as someone who can sing is recording Jim's songs (and he writes something!), and Meat is still recording something that's decent, i'm happy...it's bonus if we get Meat with new Jim material but (and this is fact, not criticism) with the speed Jim works at dunno to what extent i can see that happening. don't think any of us will ever know state of relationship between meat and jim, and seems it sometimes changes so often even if we did know, may be out of date before we knew it.
dont think there is anyone (even those who arent particular fans of meat) who wouldn't welcome meat recording some of jim's work and i can see a lot of excitement / expectation if we hear of that happening.

[Jayd]

Talking of Bat The Musical, what is the craic with that, is it going ahead, or is it down the plug-hole ?

[allrevvedup]

Talking of Bat The Musical, what is the craic with that, is it going ahead, or is it down the plug-hole ?

yes to both questions...because with Jim you never know

[WhenItComes2LovingU]

Well, maybe it's just a matter of when both are feeling creative then.

[nikox1]

the 12th of neverland:D