Meat Loaf on Twitter [Archive] - Page 4

Kathy

28 Jul 2009, 17:42

dam these analogies :?
I agree, apples and oranges ;) (lol)

I just watched the "apple pie" video. These past few days I have been thinking I was guilty of the same thing really, judging 6 bars of a song prematurely. Upon first hearing Meat sing the other day, I had came away with "OMG how powerful and passionate!!" but the fact remains I had formed an "opinion" based on very little. But now after Meat's apple pie video, I get it.

That's not the point.

No, you're not a saboteur/detractor if you don't like the six bars, but if you say so, you are throwing cold water on Meat, who was only sharing a little bit of his creative process with us. He wasn't looking for our opinions or creative input, he was sharing some of his excitement with us, just as he might share with friends. He is undoubtedly giving and getting all kinds of criticism about the album among the other artists working on it with him. But we are not in that group!! He has every right to expect his friends to be positive for him, it's as simple as that.

So are we his friends or not? Are we his friends, or just a peanut gallery? We can't have it both ways.
-Kathy

duke knooby

28 Jul 2009, 17:51

and still no ukulele or banjo :-P

daveake

28 Jul 2009, 18:28

He has every right to expect his friends to be positive for him, it's as simple as that.

I disagree. Good friends are honest friends. I don't think Meat expects us always to say positive things regardless of what we actually think.

The actual problem he's complaining about is what you might call the premature adjudication based on 15 seconds of an unfinished song.

Dave

CarylB

28 Jul 2009, 18:29

I agree with Kathy .. It wasn't put up for advice, counsel or criticism .. just a share from someone who's enjoying the studio process, is excited about the new album he's making, and is communicating with us daily .. which is something rather special.

I said at the time the words sound interesting, the voice sounded like the Meat I love, but it was just a fragment from a recording. It makes me look forward to the day I'll be able to get this latest album .. but it's still an unknown to me, and that's exciting too :)

No cold water to pour, nor peanuts in my lap! .. I just really appreciate the fact Meat is keeping touch and gives us occasional glimpses into what might be the finished product. It's his baby .. and perhaps not surprising he's taken aback if people voice opinions based on nothing more than a brief look at a pre-natal scan!

Caryl

AndrewG

28 Jul 2009, 18:33

I disagree. Good friends are honest friends.

Yeah VERY good point. I see the same happening in the company where I work. Many people are afraid to speak their mind and so we have at times blindly followed what I consider absolutely stupid ideas. Many people however have thus branded me as being extremely negative though I have tried to provide constructive criticism so now I am forced to put positive spins on everything when I disagree with someone... ie "I think what you have done is absolutely brilliant but it won't work 100% and it is ashame you didn't realise 1+1 does not equal 3 at the start of the project."..... :roll:

Apathy just sucks imo.

allrevvedup

28 Jul 2009, 18:44

I disagree. Good friends are honest friends. I don't think Meat expects us always to say positive things regardless of what we actually think.

The actual problem he's complaining about is what you might call the premature adjudication based on 15 seconds of an unfinished song.

Dave

Are any of us that post on here to be considered friends of Meat Loaf? Fans yes, friends?

I understand what he was trying to do and if it was a case of someone having found this as a leak, when it was meant to be a private video I could understand his reaction because it would not have been meant for public consumption.

But this is displayed on a website that can be accessed just about anywhere in the world and also by people who may or may not like Meat's music so an opinion is going to be formed and there is at least a 50% chance of the opinion being negative.

When the album comes out, people will pays their money and have their opinion on whether it is good or bad. I'm hoping for it being a great album, as there's a great build up for it with a highly successful producer at the helm and Meat working alongside some talented musicians as well as his own track record.

After all that hype if someone listened to those 15 seconds and thought "hey i don't like it", you have to let them think that if they want to. If someone thinks (and i'm paraphrasing a few, but mainly coming back to what Caryl said) "hey this is the Meat Loaf I want to listen to, it's great", you have to let others think it as well. Opinion is a powerful thing folks.

No one likes to be criticised, even if it is constructive but at the same time, we are all open to it. We put famous people on a pedestal and believe they don't think and feel like we normally do; but hey they're human they do.

Vickip

28 Jul 2009, 18:52

I agree, apples and oranges ;) (lol)

I just watched the "apple pie" video. These past few days I have been thinking I was guilty of the same thing really, judging 6 bars of a song prematurely. Upon first hearing Meat sing the other day, I had came away with "OMG how powerful and passionate!!" but the fact remains I had formed an "opinion" based on very little. But now after Meat's apple pie video, I get it.

That's not the point.

No, you're not a saboteur/detractor if you don't like the six bars, but if you say so, you are throwing cold water on Meat, who was only sharing a little bit of his creative process with us. He wasn't looking for our opinions or creative input, he was sharing some of his excitement with us, just as he might share with friends. He is undoubtedly giving and getting all kinds of criticism about the album among the other artists working on it with him. But we are not in that group!! He has every right to expect his friends to be positive for him, it's as simple as that.

So are we his friends or not? Are we his friends, or just a peanut gallery? We can't have it both ways.
-Kathy

I absolutely agree with you Kathy
Vicki

nikox1

28 Jul 2009, 19:07

If you go to an Italian restaurant and ask for spaghetti and meatballs and the chef offers you a taste of one of his meatballs before the whole dish is complete and the sauce has been added, you'd still have an opinion about that meatball. That's what you did with that clip. You gave us a quick taste of one of your meatballs, without any sauce added ;)

Now some would gladly take a nibble of one of your meatballs and say it tastes delicious regardless. But anyone who knows anything about cooking knows it's the sauce that finishes the dish. I'd like my sauce please :)) <--- another smilie.

you should just drop it!! why meat lets you get to him i will never know?
your a crazy pudding:-)

Kathy

28 Jul 2009, 19:14

I disagree. Good friends are honest friends. I don't think Meat expects us always to say positive things regardless of what we actually think.

Dave

Good friends are brutally honest when it matters, and give simple support when that's called for, and are able to tell the difference.

And by "support" I don't mean lying, but showing appreciation for what's being shared in the same spirit as it's offered. If we don't appreciate what he offers us, support can consist of withholding judgement until the record comes out.

-Kathy

nikox1

28 Jul 2009, 19:19

CarylB

28 Jul 2009, 19:43

No one likes to be criticised, even if it is constructive but at the same time, we are all open to it. We put famous people on a pedestal and believe they don't think and feel like we normally do; but hey they're human they do.

I think this is the point .. sometimes a still tongue in a compassionate head is more appropriate .. particularly when it's just a fragment of an unfinshed product and criticism/advice hasn't been asked for ..

And even when the album is out and people form their opinions, if there are criticisms these could be expressed in ways that take account of Meat's feelings

Caryl

Evil One

28 Jul 2009, 19:58

Yeah VERY good point. I see the same happening in the company where I work. Many people are afraid to speak their mind and so we have at times blindly followed what I consider absolutely stupid ideas. Many people however have thus branded me as being extremely negative though I have tried to provide constructive criticism so now I am forced to put positive spins on everything when I disagree with someone... ie "I think what you have done is absolutely brilliant but it won't work 100% and it is ashame you didn't realise 1+1 does not equal 3 at the start of the project."..... :roll:

Apathy just sucks imo.
I know exactly how you feel!

nikox1

28 Jul 2009, 20:11

I think this is the point .. sometimes a still tongue in a compassionate head is more appropriate .. particularly when it's just a fragment of an unfinshed product and criticism/advice hasn't been asked for ..

And even when the album is out and people form their opinions, if there are criticisms these could be expressed in ways that take account of Meat's feelings

Caryl

true [ i think meat reacted the way anybody would ]
im not saying any members here said anything really bad [ but in the past meat has reacted badly to similer stuff!! ] and thats why im always saying that meat could raise the titanic and some people would still not be happy or give credit etc etc,, but he should just focus on the positives
some of the stuff that was said after bat 3 came out [ was just too much at times ] fair enough if people didnt think it was good enough? thats ok, but saying its not a real bat album and meat should of called it something else
then the comments on hes voice etc etc,, [ so in fairness meat is probably pissed off with the negatives? ] it doesnt have to be a lick ass society here, but when meat makes the effort to post things [ think twice before posting a comment ] i just think it will be better in the future? but hey! its your forum aswell

PanicLord

28 Jul 2009, 20:23

in LA right now writing for Meat Loaf's new record. He recorded Los Angeloser and it sounds INCREDIBLE! I did some singing on it yesterday!

this was posted on James Michael twitter.

Oh cool - I'm so glad this song is on the album - real good fun rocker. I wonder if this will be the "single" they were hinting about?

And I think what we got from the video was maybe 1/30th of an Apple Pie - enough for a tantalising quick taste of the pie, leaving you wanting more, but not enough to decide whether you like the pie as a whole.

daveake

28 Jul 2009, 20:36

If we don't appreciate what he offers us, support can consist of withholding judgement until the record comes out.

Couldn't agree less. How can it be supportive to lie by silence? How is it supportive to wait till the album is out and then say "by the way, I always thought that track was crap"?

I'm not, btw, saying that the snippet is crap, let alone extrapolating that 15 seconds to imply anything about the album. I'm simply saying that keep one's opinions to oneself is not supportive and not in fact helpful.

Dave

allrevvedup

28 Jul 2009, 20:36

And I think what we got from the video was maybe 1/30th of an Apple Pie - enough for a tantalising quick taste of the pie, leaving you wanting more, but not enough to decide whether you like the pie as a whole.

another nice analogy

Sarge

28 Jul 2009, 21:10

So are we his friends or not?

Didn't know that you're "friends" with someone just because you're interested in their music. So I'm friends with Billy Joel, Keith Richards, Neil Young, Bob Seger, Tom Waits, Bruce Springsteen...? Wow, I wasn't aware of having so many rock star friends. ;)

nikox1

28 Jul 2009, 21:21

Didn't know that you're "friends" with someone just because you're interested in their music. So I'm friends with Billy Joel, Keith Richards, Neil Young, Bob Seger, Tom Waits, Bruce Springsteen...? Wow, I wasn't aware of having so many rock star friends. ;)

thats great

RadioMaster

28 Jul 2009, 21:27

Good friends are brutally honest when it matters, and give simple support when that's called for, and are able to tell the difference.

And by "support" I don't mean lying, but showing appreciation for what's being shared in the same spirit as it's offered. If we don't appreciate what he offers us, support can consist of withholding judgement until the record comes out.

-Kathy

I dont think anybody on the forum is not appreciating the clip(s) Meat is sharing. It is just natural that people have an opinion and share it as well. If I think something isnt great, I can still appreciate it. Btw it's the bit of music that some people dislike, it's not the videos temselves, which is a huge difference.

When Meat goes to public places like twitter and mlukfc, whose only purpose is to discuss things and share opinions, how can he expect people to not build an opinion when they see an extraordinary video like that? (And a singer letting a camera into the recording booth IS somethign extraordinary.)

nikox1

28 Jul 2009, 21:34

well its got people talking!!:D

allrevvedup

28 Jul 2009, 21:44

for 32 pages...

nikox1

28 Jul 2009, 21:46

for 32 pages...

:D ,, cheap promo

suzieq

28 Jul 2009, 21:51

Hello everyone, new to posting but I have read through this thread and it's developments.

I'm going to dive right in to the big topic with the "15" second clip is obviously controversial but reading all the posts, I don't think Meat is real worried about potential new fans making or breaking a decision to listen to him/become a fan based on a 15 second clip. I say this because he said that he put up the vocal off the cuff, not wanting it to be judged. But thought about it enough where he had 3 takes on the thing and Do you think Meat would've let a crap vocal (in his opinion) tweet out?

IMO, the inclusion of us witnessing a project is special. I look forward to the near daily tweets (his schedule permitting) as his masterpiece unfolds. My first reaction to the clip was, FINALLY a Meat vocal. He could have sung the David, David, oh David song again....and I didn't really care what came out of his mouth because it was just MEAT. Pre-audio..before you hit play....it's just him with the phones on, in front of a mic and you can assume he's going to give you a vocal. Post-audio it left me wanting more lyrics and wondering about the accompanying music. Because Meat is unpredictable, I never know where he's going to take me emotionally. It's just Meat singing which makes for a great day!

Opinion is powerful like a post or two above me have stated. An off the chart positive opinion can look just as bad as a negative one. Better fan? Positive one or the negative one? or the honest or positive? Are we saying that honesty also has to entail negativity? or Are we saying positive comments cannot be honest? Just something to think about. This is not a contest more like a difference in points of view and seems like a topic we won't have an answer to.

Meat's latest tweet skit is powerful too. How do you know the pie is going to suck? Because Meat is using the wrong apples.....not as the recipe calls for? Who would know if you haven't tried it with the crust and brown sugar? It just made Paul, look like a jackass. (and I know Paul was a character in the plot; he's a really sweet guy in person).

On the flip side, I did clearly read that those that formed a negative opinion of the vocal, also stated that they would have to hear the whole thing.

No, you're not a saboteur/detractor if you don't like the six bars, but if you say so, you are throwing cold water on Meat, who was only sharing a little bit of his creative process with us. He wasn't looking for our opinions or creative input, he was sharing some of his excitement with us, just as he might share with friends. He is undoubtedly giving and getting all kinds of criticism about the album among the other artists working on it with him. But we are not in that group!! He has every right to expect his friends to be positive for him, it's as simple as that.

I agree.

So we can argue if Meat gave us apples, meatballs & sauce, oranges, or 15 seconds of a process to try. Meat has explained his position and above all else we need to respect that position. He wants us to form an opinion on the album as a whole when it is released. As well as, save the constructive criticisms for now because we aren't part of THAT group. Have fun and lighten up. Seems like reasonable requests.

Maybe all the hype here will at the very least make people think about what they post and maybe chill out arguing with Meat or trying to get a response out of him. The topic has obviously been bothering him to the point of addressing and rebutting. It's a real pleasure to see the creative juices flow and witness it. The suckie part is that the minority won't take the hint and may spoil it for the majority.

Until next tweet,
Suzieq

nikox1

28 Jul 2009, 22:04

Hello everyone, new to posting but I have read through this thread and it's developments.

I'm going to dive right in to the big topic with the "15" second clip is obviously controversial but reading all the posts, I don't think Meat is real worried about potential new fans making or breaking a decision to listen to him/become a fan based on a 15 second clip. I say this because he said that he put up the vocal off the cuff, not wanting it to be judged. But thought about it enough where he had 3 takes on the thing and Do you think Meat would've let a crap vocal (in his opinion) tweet out?

IMO, the inclusion of us witnessing a project is special. I look forward to the near daily tweets (his schedule permitting) as his masterpiece unfolds. My first reaction to the clip was, FINALLY a Meat vocal. He could have sung the David, David, oh David song again....and I didn't really care what came out of his mouth because it was just MEAT. Pre-audio..before you hit play....it's just him with the phones on, in front of a mic and you can assume he's going to give you a vocal. Post-audio it left me wanting more lyrics and wondering about the accompanying music. Because Meat is unpredictable, I never know where he's going to take me emotionally. It's just Meat singing which makes for a great day!

Opinion is powerful like a post or two above me have stated. An off the chart positive opinion can look just as bad as a negative one. Better fan? Positive one or the negative one? or the honest or positive? Are we saying that honesty also has to entail negativity? or Are we saying positive comments cannot be honest? Just something to think about. This is not a contest more like a difference in points of view and seems like a topic we won't have an answer to.

Meat's latest tweet skit is powerful too. How do you know the pie is going to suck? Because Meat is using the wrong apples.....not as the recipe calls for? Who would know if you haven't tried it with the crust and brown sugar? It just made Paul, look like a jackass. (and I know Paul was a character in the plot; he's a really sweet guy in person).

On the flip side, I did clearly read that those that formed a negative opinion of the vocal, also stated that they would have to hear the whole thing.

I agree.

So we can argue if Meat gave us apples, meatballs & sauce, oranges, or 15 seconds of a process to try. Meat has explained his position and above all else we need to respect that position. He wants us to form an opinion on the album as a whole when it is released. As well as, save the constructive criticisms for now because we aren't part of THAT group. Have fun and lighten up. Seems like reasonable requests.

Maybe all the hype here will at the very least make people think about what they post and maybe chill out arguing with Meat or trying to get a response out of him. The topic has obviously been bothering him to the point of addressing and rebutting. It's a real pleasure to see the creative juices flow and witness it. The suckie part is that the minority won't take the hint and may spoil it for the majority.

Until next tweet,
Suzieq

well for a first post [ pretty impressive:D ]
i agree mostly with the last part [ it bothers meat ] for the reasons he only knows? but everybodys different [ and i agree some people just want a reaction ] the new album will sound the way its gonna sound? time will tell?
the tweets have been great and lets hope for more

Sue K

28 Jul 2009, 22:05

y'all have made me hungry ... so ... i'm off for a mid-afternoon snack ...

but no worries ... i'll stay slim and trim by laughing my arse off... hahaha...

tink ... in accord with Caryl's Volkswagen cliche' .. hahaha... :twisted: ...

AndrewG

28 Jul 2009, 22:45

That's the first post of Tink in which I have seen two dotts in a row .. instead of the three...

Pudding

28 Jul 2009, 23:15

Damn some people say I take things too seriously :nuts:

Has threatened earlier, I'm going to use my Chinese takeaway analogy :)) For all those who have a rod up their ass, this is just a bit of fun, you might not find it funny, but hey, I wouldn't either if I had a rod up my ass :roll:

Imagine you've ordered a set meal for 4 and one of those dishes is sweet & sour chicken, the Chinese cook then offers you a piece of the chicken before the sauce has been added. Anyone who has ever worked in a chinese (I have) knows that the battered chicken on its own tastes pretty horrible but you add the vegetables and sauce and it's quite nice.

Meat offered a small piece of battered chicken and to me it tasted fowl (<--- a play on word ;)) that doesn't mean I'm not going to like the sweet & sour chicken when it's complete, nor does it mean I'm not going to like the other dishes in my set meal for 4. It does mean though that if I like my set meal for 4, then I'm definitely going to be going back to the chinese wanting some more.

For those who are easily confused:
Sweet & Sour Chicken = the whole song
Battered Chicken from a sweet & sour dish = the clip that was played.
Set meal for 4 = the whole album
And Meat is the Chinese cook :))

BTW: every Chinese in the UK I've been to and here in NZ, batter their chicken. Hmmmm, that sounds like a rude euphemism but it's true :lmao:

daveake

28 Jul 2009, 23:35

As threatened earlier, I'm going to use my Chinese takeaway analogy :))...

For a moment, I thought you were going to say something like "You know there's meat in it, but you're never quite sure what kind of meat". But fortunately you didn't ;-)

CarylB

28 Jul 2009, 23:54

Couldn't agree less. How can it be supportive to lie by silence? How is it supportive to wait till the album is out and then say "by the way, I always thought that track was crap"?

I'm not, btw, saying that the snippet is crap, let alone extrapolating that 15 seconds to imply anything about the album. I'm simply saying that keep one's opinions to oneself is not supportive and not in fact helpful.

Dave

And in time one gets to know how somebody one likes will react to negative comments/opinions .. and IF you like them you take account of that in the method of comunication and language you use so that your view CAN be helpful .. and sometime keep your own counsel, for to not express an uninvited critique is not to lie, but merely to keep your thoughts to yourself.

Some of the comments posted here on this occasion were pretty negative, neither supportive nor helpful, and could be wholly anticipated by those who post here to evoke the reaction they did, because they have done time and time again .. but perhaps they were made precisely because of that.

Caryl

carole

29 Jul 2009, 00:01

Hello everyone, new to posting but I have read through this thread and it's developments.

I'm going to dive right in to the big topic with the "15" second clip is obviously controversial but reading all the posts, I don't think Meat is real worried about potential new fans making or breaking a decision to listen to him/become a fan based on a 15 second clip. I say this because he said that he put up the vocal off the cuff, not wanting it to be judged. But thought about it enough where he had 3 takes on the thing and Do you think Meat would've let a crap vocal (in his opinion) tweet out?

IMO, the inclusion of us witnessing a project is special. I look forward to the near daily tweets (his schedule permitting) as his masterpiece unfolds. My first reaction to the clip was, FINALLY a Meat vocal. He could have sung the David, David, oh David song again....and I didn't really care what came out of his mouth because it was just MEAT. Pre-audio..before you hit play....it's just him with the phones on, in front of a mic and you can assume he's going to give you a vocal. Post-audio it left me wanting more lyrics and wondering about the accompanying music. Because Meat is unpredictable, I never know where he's going to take me emotionally. It's just Meat singing which makes for a great day!

Opinion is powerful like a post or two above me have stated. An off the chart positive opinion can look just as bad as a negative one. Better fan? Positive one or the negative one? or the honest or positive? Are we saying that honesty also has to entail negativity? or Are we saying positive comments cannot be honest? Just something to think about. This is not a contest more like a difference in points of view and seems like a topic we won't have an answer to.

Meat's latest tweet skit is powerful too. How do you know the pie is going to suck? Because Meat is using the wrong apples.....not as the recipe calls for? Who would know if you haven't tried it with the crust and brown sugar? It just made Paul, look like a jackass. (and I know Paul was a character in the plot; he's a really sweet guy in person).

On the flip side, I did clearly read that those that formed a negative opinion of the vocal, also stated that they would have to hear the whole thing.

I agree.

So we can argue if Meat gave us apples, meatballs & sauce, oranges, or 15 seconds of a process to try. Meat has explained his position and above all else we need to respect that position. He wants us to form an opinion on the album as a whole when it is released. As well as, save the constructive criticisms for now because we aren't part of THAT group. Have fun and lighten up. Seems like reasonable requests.

Maybe all the hype here will at the very least make people think about what they post and maybe chill out arguing with Meat or trying to get a response out of him. The topic has obviously been bothering him to the point of addressing and rebutting. It's a real pleasure to see the creative juices flow and witness it. The suckie part is that the minority won't take the hint and may spoil it for the majority.

Until next tweet,
Suzieq

Welcome Suzie, great to see you here, very well said and I agree. I felt the same way when we finally got to hear Meat's vocals and he didn't disappoint and left me wanting more.

Carole

allrevvedup

29 Jul 2009, 00:05

but there is from one extreme to another

while some go a little bit over the top in negativity which sets off the positivity, others can go over the top in positivity which can set off the negativity.

So you have a vicious circle and then those who are in the middle can be labelled as being negative because they haven't agreed with the overly positive side.

I think there's room for all sides...but for as much as those who are being advised to not react negatively but to think about what they post, the same can be said for those who rise to the bait against the negative posts.

Take a breath, re read what is being said and then decide if there's a need to post

AndrewG

29 Jul 2009, 00:18

Any pizza left?

allrevvedup

29 Jul 2009, 00:30

if there is it's very very cold...

cowboy

29 Jul 2009, 00:42

:-)

Pudding

29 Jul 2009, 00:49

but there is from one extreme to another

while some go a little bit over the top in negativity which sets off the positivity, others can go over the top in positivity which can set off the negativity.

So you have a vicious circle and then those who are in the middle can be labelled as being negative because they haven't agreed with the overly positive side.

That's true. It's like the Conservative Republicans, you're either with them all the way or you'll be branded a socialist. :nuts:

Any pizza left?

We're onto Chinese now and Meats' battered chicken :lmao:

duke knooby

29 Jul 2009, 00:57

Any pizza left?

was buy one get one free, so yeah
twas gorgeous though :D
time for bed

Wario

29 Jul 2009, 01:04

:-)

Lookie here is that a smile? Meat is that a smile?

awwwwwwww lookie here! the little squirt is smiling.

Aint he just adorible?

Goochie goo :D

PS: great to see you smiling! I'm sucking up and it feeeels SOOO GOOD! me love pop tarts. yumyumyum :cool:

Kathy

29 Jul 2009, 01:25

We're onto Chinese now and Meats' battered chicken :lmao:
And I still want pie for dessert!

saving a tree here:

to Dave:
Keeping silent is not lying, lol! It would only be supportive to say it's crap now if you thought Meat was so interested in your opinion he might go back and change the song because of it. After the album comes out, you can say it's crap, but Meat will be off working on something else and won't give a flying fig <--- that's a new fruit for our discussion :)

But since you're not saying the clip is crap, I guess this is all moot?

to Sarge:
What I said was "he was sharing some of his excitement with us, just as he might share with friends." Do all those people you named share live clips of themselves making an album? Meat did, which was an unusual (and friendly!) thing to do.

to Pudding:
oh no, not more food, I am trying to stay on a diet, but I do follow your analogy, and even smiled at it, rod or no BUT there's a difference: no Chinese cook would offer a piece of the plain battered chicken (it's not salted so it's way too bland). Meat had more reason to be proud of his clip, and wouldn't have offered it if he hadn't thought we would like it.

I have to admit though I thought it was cute that you pointed out that Meat had a bowl of eating, not baking, apples (most guys wouldn't have a clue) and liked Meat's reply as well, that that was all he had :) So thank you both for that :)

-Kathy

PanicLord

29 Jul 2009, 02:30

Great analogy Pudding - if I may steal it and extend it a little... by the way, the following bits are not aimed at you in particular Pud, just general comments...

Meat (as you say) is the Chinese chef.
This here website is the Chinese chef's fan club site.
We who visit this website are therefore people who profess to be fans of the Chinese food provided by this particular Chinese chef.
It is therefore no surprise that when the Chinese chef serves us a tantalising morsel of his new dish, which he is very proud and excited about, and people criticise the cooking, the Chinese chef gets upset.

This is not good for anyone, as your chicken may be merely sour when it arrives rather than also sweet, causing you to choke on it.

Also, the future may hold less chicken for all of us, as the Chef may be reluctant to keep on introducing new dishes if they are not well received.

Now, I am not saying everyone has to say they love every new dish the Chef produces, but I think it would be nice if all us customers and fans of the Chef remembered that the Chef is here "in person", giving us very unique and special appetisers of something he is very excited and passionate about, and we therefore should take his feelings into account when phrasing our feedback. This is, after all, a very public feedback forum.

If someone could pm me some Ibuprofen, that would be lovely. Nighty night.

Pudding

29 Jul 2009, 02:46

Ah, but whether the chef is here or not, you're still going to be paying for the set meal for 4 at the end of the day. And no one has said that they're not going to enjoy the whole set meal ;)

No chef expects you to like everything he cooks, that would be unrealistic. So with that in mind, could the chef please offer up a sampling of another dish, I'm getting kinda hungry :))

Sarge

29 Jul 2009, 04:02

he was sharing some of his excitement with us, just as he might share with friends.

Sorry for not getting the metaphorical sense of the statement.

Meat did, which was an unusual (and friendly!) thing to do.

Have I ever doubted that?

I think you know that I'm neither ungrateful nor a "saboteur". ;)

The discussion has totally gotten out of hand. Some were unaware of how sensitive artists can be when it comes to their work, some people took certain statements the wrong way and now the sh*t has hit the fan.

I think everything that needed to be said on the issue has been said. So why don't we all just gather around another virtual pizza (or another meatball / piece of chicken?* :mrgreen:) and bury the hatchet? :cheers:

*I promise I will refrain from my habit of extensively analyzing everything in this case.

Pudding

29 Jul 2009, 06:26

I think everything that needed to be said on the issue has been said.

Are you sure? Cos I hadn't used my Indian takeaway analogy I had in mind :))

daveake

29 Jul 2009, 07:27

Are you sure? Cos I hadn't used my Indian takeaway analogy I had in mind :))

Well, when you do, maybe Meat could make you one of these ...

http://www.keralacurry.com/pudding/extractedpudding%20copy.jpg

No meat in it, mind ...

RadioMaster

29 Jul 2009, 09:29

I had swedish meatballs from Ikea yesterday :))

the sauce was lovely, too.

daveake

29 Jul 2009, 09:37

I had a chocolate bar containing hazelnuts, nougat and caramel.

But that of course is off Topic ...

The Flying Mouse

29 Jul 2009, 12:31

:twisted: OK, if we're really taking the chinese meal metophore that seriously.....

Meat allowing the cameras into the studio is very much like being invited into the chinese chef's kitchen.

Now you know that if you just sit at your table long enough, a nice hot finished meal will land on the table in front of you.
However, as most people are likely to do, you accept the kind offer and go into the kitchen to see the magic happen.

When cooking, chef's will often taste the food to see how it's coming along, and if they should offer you a taste out of generosity, you should either decline to taste, or accept the offer in the spirit which it was made.
If you tasted the chinese chef's food, pulled a face and say "not being funny mate, but that's f*cking rank" you'd not only find yourself out of the kitchen, you'd be thrown out of the resteraunt.

No, you don't need to respond to the taster with "OH MY GOD, THIS FOOD HAS BLESSED MY LIFE, I AGAIN HAVE REASON TO LIVE :pray: " but at least stay politely on the positive side until you taste the dish proper.
If you don't like the food once you've taten the finished meal, THEN you've got the right to complain.But not until then.And even recorded, mixed and polished is NOT the finished product when it's filmed on a video camera and posted on youtube.
The finished product is when you buy the CD, take it home, and listen to it on a proper player.

If you are a fan of a chef, and you enjoy their cooking, then you trust that their latest dish will please you.
If you don't like a chefs cooking you will go to another resteraunt to eat and stey away from the first chefs kitchen.

One more point.
A meal takes a certain ammount of time to prepare.
If it takes 45 mins to cook something, you can't cook it in 20, 25, or even 40.
Stamp your feet demanding sauce all you want, but if you're not prepared to wait the time it takes to cook the meal, then leave the resteraunt, stay at home, write your own recipe, and make your own damn sauce :p :mrgreen:

daveake

29 Jul 2009, 12:46

So, if I could make a Dim Sum-mary of that, even if we're hoping for a Buddha's Delight but think we can taste Stinky Tofu instead, we should make neither Sweet nor Sour comments but just say we are Wonton for more?

Gottit.

:lol:

AndyK

29 Jul 2009, 13:02

:roll: Dave, please don't give up the day job. In fact, you should spend more time on the day job and less time with those puns :p

I remember watching classic albums, where at times some of the tracks on Bat Out Of Hell are "deconstructed" while Meat sits at the mixing desk. Thought it was really interesting to hear how the album tracks were composed etc. I remember thinking that the individual pieces when heard in isolation on that TV show sounded to my highly untrained ears ... bloody awful, but when you add them into the mix that is the final released product it's a world of difference.

To keep the food analogies going, I absolutely detest coconut with a vengeance, it is in my opinion the devils food, can't abide the stuff in the slightest, but ... one of my favourite curries is a Chicken Korma. The ingredients and the end product do not always go hand in hand with taste.

Pudding

29 Jul 2009, 13:13

:twisted: OK, if we're really taking the chinese meal metophore that seriously.....

It's not a metaphor, it's an analogy ;)

The Flying Mouse

29 Jul 2009, 13:19

It's not a metaphor, it's an analogy ;)

:twisted: Nice to see that's the only thing you didn't agree with :mrgreen:

howlerformeatloaf

29 Jul 2009, 13:34

Wario

29 Jul 2009, 15:12

To howlerformeatloaf:

Can i just tell you you have the single greatest username ever?

AndrewG

29 Jul 2009, 17:07

I completely disagree with that statement. But then anything a "beaver basher" would say would be taken with a pinch of salt by me.

Wario

29 Jul 2009, 18:23

I completely disagree with that statement. But then anything a "beaver basher" would say would be taken with a pinch of salt by me.

Aww thanks Drewg

AndrewG

29 Jul 2009, 19:08

No probs rioolLoaf

Vickip

29 Jul 2009, 19:37

okay food makes us hungry so enough about food. How about the baseball game? Does anybody know if there are any more vids out there with meat playing? I was kinda busy over the weekend playing baseball myself. Was it even televised? I would like to know more on the game and cant' find info anywhere.

Please help. :-P

No, the game wasn't televised. But here's another brief clip. Don't blink or you'll miss Meat .. :lol:
http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/25481466/hollywood-stars-softball-game.htm?q=Hollywood+Stars+Softball+Game

Getting back on topic .. I'm really getting hungry again :lol:
Vicki

Wario

29 Jul 2009, 21:54

rioolLoaf

wow, that just made me throw up a little in my mouth :O

Pudding

29 Jul 2009, 21:56

:twisted: Nice to see that's the only thing you didn't agree with :mrgreen:

I didn't read the rest.

PanicLord

29 Jul 2009, 22:00

Oh by the way, the other thought I had was that we were listening to a streamed, compressed audio / video stream thingy. Wipes out some (if not a lot!) of the quality of the final product when listened to on a decent player from a CD.

Like a cheapo microwave version of a classic chinese dish. Sorry.

Pudding

29 Jul 2009, 22:05

I think most people have moved on from the clip now, no need to clutch at straws.

The Flying Mouse

29 Jul 2009, 22:25

I didn't read the rest.

:twisted: I'll try to use smaller words next time then :up:

Pudding

29 Jul 2009, 22:27

It wasn't the size of the words that put me off it was the amount of words, I'm a busy man :))

howlerformeatloaf

30 Jul 2009, 12:38

Thank you for the clip and thank you for telling me my name is cool. I like Meat Loaf and wolves so I put them together and came up with it. But I would howl for him also. :oops:

suzieq

30 Jul 2009, 17:13

The Flying Mouse

30 Jul 2009, 23:07

Men of mlukfc:
I don't want to discount you either, you may have had one signed for your mom, girlfriend, wife, or your alternative lifestyles

:twisted: Or the fat gits with bitch tits :mrgreen: :lol:

Wario

30 Jul 2009, 23:20

:twisted: Or the fat gits with bitch tits :mrgreen: :lol:

Hey! My tits are my own buisness....... so beautiful they are :cool:

Sarge

31 Jul 2009, 02:00

Just watched the new vids (several times). Sounds pretty cool. :cool:

Pudding

31 Jul 2009, 03:29

Are you just saying that because of what happened last time :))

Sarge

31 Jul 2009, 03:54

No, even if it provoked someone to hit the roof, I'd say if I didn't like it. :devil:

I really like what I hear on those videos. Reminds me a little of 1970s rock, yet it doesn't sound old-fashioned. Would like to hear more of that. :-):up:

carole

31 Jul 2009, 03:59

Ladies of mlukfc:
The latest storm of tweets lit up a ladies group on facebook. Inquiring minds would like to know if anyone on this site has had a bra signed by Meat?

Men of mlukfc:
I don't want to discount you either, you may have had one signed for your mom, girlfriend, wife, or your alternative lifestyles so feel free to share your bra signing as well.

Of course, the latest bra signing was for charity, but that sent lightbulbs off in the heads of some female fans. The question now is, will the Cowboy be open to it?

Suzieq

While I would have loved to have had my bra signed by Meat, unfortunately I haven't. But if I did, it would obviously have to be one I don't want to wear as I couldn't wear it as I wouldn't want to wash it and lose his signature. I did read or hear somewhere, that he won't sign them while you are wearing them, he makes you take it off and bring it back to him to sign. Now what's the fun in that? ha ha Unfortunately I'd be a bit too shy to do something like that.
Carole

snider22

31 Jul 2009, 04:25

I really like what I hear on those videos. Reminds me a little of 1970s rock, yet it doesn't sound old-fashioned. Would like to hear more of that. :-):up:

First let me say hello to everyone, I'm still new to the posting around here. I agree with Sarge, I think that song had a very interesting sound, would like to here more!:-)

suzieq

31 Jul 2009, 05:01

While I would have loved to have had my bra signed by Meat, unfortunately I haven't. But if I did, it would obviously have to be one I don't want to wear as I couldn't wear it as I wouldn't want to wash it and lose his signature. I did read or hear somewhere, that he won't sign them while you are wearing them, he makes you take it off and bring it back to him to sign. Now what's the fun in that? ha ha Unfortunately I'd be a bit too shy to do something like that.
Carole

Thanks for your reply Carole and your information is helpful. I would agree I wouldn't want to wear it for fear that the signature would come off. Understandably, about him making a person take it off for him to sign. I will pass your info. back to that facebook group.
Suzieq

RSG

31 Jul 2009, 08:19

the debates about Meat's offerings to me smell like utter bullshit in a china shop. most respect to all. wake up! it was 27 seconds a week ago, or something close. the present is a terrible thing to waste.

Pudding

31 Jul 2009, 08:27

AndrewG

31 Jul 2009, 09:01

Can this bickering about last week's vid now please stop? Otherwise I'm gonna join a pizza forum...

RadioMaster

31 Jul 2009, 09:03

Andrew is right.

[megaphone mode]
everyone! everyone around here! Now let's all quietly and calmy get back ON TOPIC! Thank you!
[/megaphone mode]

Elijah's way

31 Jul 2009, 09:38

Is Justin Hawkins doing a song on the album by himself? The reason I'm asking is that there have been 3 videos of just his vocals.

AndrewG

31 Jul 2009, 09:44

evil nickname

31 Jul 2009, 10:08

Maybe it's just guide vocals.

Anyway, sounds interesting, as it doesn't try to sound like anything like Meat's more famous stuff. Still, it needs more cowbell.

bobbin

31 Jul 2009, 10:50

Well if it IS possible to have an opinion on a small clip, i really like the recent ones, sounds like this album could be very different but for me in a good way am looking forward to seeing the final direction this album takes :-)

Benny

31 Jul 2009, 14:15

That would be cool if Justin was on the album... Great vocals!
Oooh, can't wait to have this album in my hands :-P

meatloaf-unofficial

31 Jul 2009, 15:43

Finally a good question, lol. ;-)
Indeed there must be at least one Justin Hawkins song on there. I reckon it's probably a duet in the style of Amnesty, ie Justin probably (co)-wrote the song and is playing/singing on it certainly partly. I can picture hearing Meat's vocals on that track.

Interesting that studio setup btw. They have a video screen to monitor the studio instead of the window thing.

Yeah it is interersting. I've noticed it too and the local studio to me (1 1/2 hrs from me tbh) has the same setup... Looks like the newer studios are doing it this way.

I guess it means that you could have any room for drums or whatever and not be stuck with the "window through wall" kinda studio.... If that makes sense at all - it does in my head :))

Wario

31 Jul 2009, 16:45

liekd the riff on the justin songs. just wondering now, is it gonna be another rock & roll mercenaries (:pray: im always hopeful) or is justin doing a solo song for the record?

RSG

31 Jul 2009, 18:17

WTF? :wtf:

My appologies to the board. I will make an effort to not drink and visit the boards. However, I do like the creative new title

Pudding

31 Jul 2009, 22:38

I hope Justin Hawkins isn't on the album, he does nothing for me whatsoever.

Steve6

31 Jul 2009, 22:49

Justin Hawkins is very cheesy. I wouldn't like his voice that much either. You wouldn't have thought he'd be involved in a Meat Loaf album a few years back. They have very different personalities, and very very different voices.

RSG

31 Jul 2009, 22:54

In accord to the most recent vids. Pierce, and JohnHD are playing Hawkins' song. However, it is still early to be presumptuous to where the song is going and how it will sound. That being said, I do agree with Pudding. He does nothing for me either.

Sarge

01 Aug 2009, 00:01

You saboteurs! :bicker:

:))

I don't care who's on the record, as long as they provide good music.

Oh, there's Diane Warren...

evil nickname

01 Aug 2009, 00:05

Goody, a song by Diane Warren.

After her latest offerings—You're Right I Was Wrong, Unsaid, Cry Over Me—I'm not exactly excited. To me, those are among the worst songs Meat has ever done.

Wario

01 Aug 2009, 00:09

Just wait till meat reads all that .....

Ah well, I thought that Justin is good. i liked the riff. I dont care, just as long as he doesn't have a "justin only" song on the album.

Diane Warren's COM was bad. but Unsaid and YWRIWW arent Burning Down

evil nickname

01 Aug 2009, 00:38

To cite Boyzone, I can't deny what I believe. ;) I'm under no obligation to like every song that Meat has ever done, and to me, well, those songs are among my least favorites. I don't like 'em at all, simple as that.

As for this new song that Diane Warren has written: of course I'm not saying it's a bad song, as I haven't heard it. But based on the songs I know she's written, I'm not too excited, as there are very few of those that I really like apart from "Not a Dry Eye", "If I Could Turn Back Time" and Dusty Springfield's solo version of "Wherever Would I Be?"

Sarge

01 Aug 2009, 00:40

i liked the riff.

I like it, too, it's quite catchy. I wonder what the entire song sounds like.

After her latest offerings—You're Right I Was Wrong, Unsaid, Cry Over Me—I'm not exactly excited. To me, those are among the worst songs Meat has ever done.

Those songs were rather disappointing (except maybe Unsaid) and I'm not a fan of Diane Warren but I'm curious anyway. Maybe she has written a real kick-ass song this time? :))

Elijah's way

01 Aug 2009, 01:49

Cheryl Jenets from the last video is with Warner Bros Records I wonder if he's signed with them

duke knooby

01 Aug 2009, 03:01

the darkness rocked :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Nv8CEG6VE&feature=PlayList&p=9EB62E390F4268E0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14

suzieq

01 Aug 2009, 04:31

Poor Cry Over Me. In Cry Over Me's defense, that song strikes a chord with me and I love it. In the spirit of a friendly difference of opinions.

Pudding

01 Aug 2009, 08:13

In Cry Over Me's defense, that song strikes a chord with me

It struck a chord with me too, not the same one as you though :lmao:

I liked DW's I'd Lie For You and Not A Dry Eye, if the song is in that realms then good, if it's in the same realms as COM and YWRIWW then :barf: it'll be a track I'll skip.

Sarahdk23

01 Aug 2009, 09:46

I love Dianne Warren! In my opinion, she has written some of the best songs ever! Including Cry over me! I absolutely love that song, and no Im not sucking up!

Elijah's way

01 Aug 2009, 11:13

Same here I love Diane Warren cry over me is one of my favorite songs on bat 3 and I love I'd lie for you and not a dry eye.

AndrewG

01 Aug 2009, 11:31

Her best song for me would have to be "I don't Want to Miss a Thing", closely followed by I'd Lie for You and Dry Eye.

Steve6

01 Aug 2009, 12:27

I think she's a great songwriter. I'd call her the "Queen of the Power Balled" :lawl:

Wario

01 Aug 2009, 13:04

didn't Diane Warren also write For Crying Out Loud? That song was Horrendous!

lol I'm so bad

Steve6

01 Aug 2009, 13:11

didn't Diane Warren also write For Crying Out Loud? That song was Horrendous!

No Jim Steinman wrote that, and are you being serious when you say it's horrendous? It's one of the best songs he ever recorded, and one of the best songs I've ever heard.

Cristina

01 Aug 2009, 13:16

Cher turned into huge hits Warren's Save Up All Your Tears/ If I Could Turn Back Time/ Love + Understanding, and I loved these, but I wasn't impressed with other Warren's song that Cher did, nothing really original (or they didn't strike any chord in me as you said), while I loved I'd Lie For You and Not a Dry Eye In The House. Who knows, I wait to hear the songs and hear what Meat's voice can make of them.
About Hawkins, actually I can't see the point of having a Justin-solo song on the album, I thought that enough singers had been introduced already,and they're enough to make a terrific album ;)

Cristina

01 Aug 2009, 13:17

No Jim Steinman wrote that, and are you being serious when you say it's horrendous? It's one of the best songs he ever recorded, and one of the best songs I've ever heard.

I love the drama of FCOL, that's a great piece of music

nikox1

01 Aug 2009, 13:35

well i reckon this album is gonna be very different to what you would usually call a meat album [ bring on the unknown:D ]
maybe a good title for the album meat;)

MEAT LOAF BRING ON THE UNKNOWN

Wario

01 Aug 2009, 14:09

No Jim Steinman wrote that, and are you being serious when you say it's horrendous? It's one of the best songs he ever recorded, and one of the best songs I've ever heard.

Look at the small print in my original post :cool: .....

carole

01 Aug 2009, 15:14

Same here I love Diane Warren cry over me is one of my favorite songs on bat 3 and I love I'd lie for you and not a dry eye.

Yeah, one of my all time favourtie songs by Meat is I'd Lie For You and I love Not a Dry Eye and Unsaid as well as her other songs. I'm excited to hear what song of hers Meat sings on this album.
Carole

suzieq

01 Aug 2009, 17:13

It's one of the best songs he ever recorded, and one of the best songs I've ever heard.

I concur with Steve6.

Oops forgot about the ass kissing phenomenon on here, but it's my genuine feeling so be it.

Suzieq

daveake

01 Aug 2009, 18:18

Look at the small print in my original post :cool: .....

And there I was thinking that "For Crying Out Loud" was a mis-spelling of "Cry Over Me" :lol:, in which case I'd have agreed with you ...

snider22

01 Aug 2009, 21:29

Poor Cry Over Me. In Cry Over Me's defense, that song strikes a chord with me and I love it. In the spirit of a friendly difference of opinions.

I don't think COM is inherently a bad song, so much as it really just did not seem like a Meat Loaf song, just my opinion though.

Pudding

01 Aug 2009, 22:51

Look at the small print in my original post :cool: .....

Don't worry, I don't have asomething up my ass, I got the humour in your post :))

Yeah, one of my all time favourtie songs by Meat is I'd Lie For You

Yep :up: If the new song is in that kinda mold, then excellent.

lisa01

01 Aug 2009, 23:40

iam enjoying meat loaf on twitter i go on that site when i see something new and i think every one who is helping meat loaf and rob to make this new fantastic album is doing a fantastic job

Wario

01 Aug 2009, 23:46

Don't worry, I don't have asomething up my ass, I got the humour in your post.

I was talking to Steve6 lol

and i could make a very crude joke right now towards you, but it'll keep :D.

Pudding

02 Aug 2009, 03:51

I was talking to Steve6 lol

I know you was talking to Steve6, lucky you. I was making a general observation that your post wasn't meant to be taken serious, yet you had lord knows how many who took it serious :roll:

and i could make a very crude joke right now towards you, but it'll keep :D.

Go for it. I promise I won't cry like a pansy to one of the mods :))

Wario

02 Aug 2009, 04:01

I know you was talking to Steve6, lucky you. I was making a general observation that your post wasn't meant to be taken serious, yet you had lord knows how many who took it serious :roll:

Go for it. I promise I won't cry like a pansy to one of the mods :))

As I said Silly Puddy, it'll keep for a more opportune moment. :twisted:

RSG

02 Aug 2009, 07:12

In response to WarioLoaf, Beaver Bashing is hurting Canada's most beloved animal ;)

Oh and to stay on topic, Meat has been quite busy as a beaver these past 10 years hasn't he! ;)

Wario

02 Aug 2009, 15:43

In response to WarioLoaf, Beaver Bashing is hurting Canada's most beloved animal ;)

Oh and to stay on topic, Meat has been quite busy as a beaver these past 10 years hasn't he! ;)

did you mean that similarity? XD

RSG

02 Aug 2009, 22:04

I'll say yes.

duke knooby

02 Aug 2009, 22:40

still no banjo????

Pudding

02 Aug 2009, 23:24

Just because you can't see an instrument being plucked doesn't mean it isn't :shock:

lisa01

02 Aug 2009, 23:58

I love to watch meat loaf and the band on twitter can anyone tell me why is cc and aspen not on twitter with meat and the rest of the band please

nikox1

03 Aug 2009, 00:07

I love to watch meat loaf and the band on twitter can anyone tell me why is cc and aspen not on twitter with meat and the rest of the band please

aspen works in barneys in new york city
and cc is more to do with the live shows [ could be doing backing tracks for the new album? ]

Steve6

03 Aug 2009, 00:23

I love to watch meat loaf and the band on twitter can anyone tell me why is cc and aspen not on twitter with meat and the rest of the band please

I think Aspen has left the band. Maybe I'm wrong lol

Pudding

03 Aug 2009, 02:07

Aspen left just over a year ago I think.

Wario

03 Aug 2009, 02:29

Aspen left just over a year ago I think.

thats true it is. the ship sailed last year too. surprised its even an issue

SamCat

03 Aug 2009, 02:37

Aspen went into the Chicago stage production of Dirty Dancing, i think she is touring with it now but i'm not on MySpace which is where she posts the most i think!!

Pudding

03 Aug 2009, 03:50

thats true it is. the ship sailed last year too. surprised its even an issue

It's not an issue, someone asked a question because they didn't know.

Come to think of it, didn't Aspen get married round the time she left NLE?

Vickip

03 Aug 2009, 04:04

It's not an issue, someone asked a question because they didn't know.

Come to think of it, didn't Aspen get married round the time she left NLE?

Yes she did ..... I think she and her husband Tony are touring with the show together :-)

Steve6

03 Aug 2009, 12:45

Yes she did ..... I think she and her husband Tony are touring with the show together :-)

I wonder what he thought of Aspen and Meat doing the make out scene in Paradise. :lmao:

AndrewG

03 Aug 2009, 12:49

I wonder what he thought of Aspen and Meat doing the make out scene in Paradise. :lmao:

:roll:

Steingirl

03 Aug 2009, 17:06

Her best song for me would have to be "I don't Want to Miss a Thing", closely followed by I'd Lie for You and Dry Eye.

Agreed.

Wish they would post some videos of Meat & Patti singing together in the studio. Their duets always rock.

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Evil One

03 Aug 2009, 18:32

Who says that there will be a duet on this album?

RadioMaster

03 Aug 2009, 18:37

or more importantly, who says they're gonna record together? I think the vast majority on duets on albums are recorded seperately so the producer can optimize the single vocals on their own.

Steingirl

03 Aug 2009, 19:16

Who says that there will be a duet on this album?

There are great Meat & Patti duets on all his albums since the mid 90's . I hope there will be on this album too.

AndrewG

03 Aug 2009, 19:48

Yeah I hope there is at least 1 good duet with Patti on there. I don't need 3 like on Bat 3 though and songs turned into duets for no reason. ;-)

duke knooby

03 Aug 2009, 20:46

i hope theres at least 1 banjo solo on there :D

duke knooby

03 Aug 2009, 22:46

meat, if you do twitter requests...

please please please tweet a brief live bit of Surf's Up :pray:

and if not... i'm sorry for being cheeky :-P

daveake

03 Aug 2009, 22:51

i hope theres at least 1 banjo solo on there :D

Five string or four string?

Personally I don't give a pluck.

Pudding

04 Aug 2009, 01:11

Five string or four string?

Five string every time.

allrevvedup

04 Aug 2009, 15:29

and if not... i'm sorry for being cheeky

I highly doubt that:twisted:

AndyK

05 Aug 2009, 10:18

Banjo talk moved to here ... twang (http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13451)

howlerformeatloaf

06 Aug 2009, 12:47

I may be wrong but to me it seems he is introducing people that just go to the studio and even if they are on the album look at it this way. There should be something for everyone to enjoy on the album with all the different sounds there might be. I am very much looking forward to this. anyone hear about any tentative release date yet? :D

allrevvedup

06 Aug 2009, 13:16

I just hope it's not too experimental in that there's 12 completely different types of songs, or however many are going to be on the album.

There can be overproduction as much as under production, Aerosmith's Album Just Push Play is proof of that.

suzieq

06 Aug 2009, 17:20

anyone hear about any tentative release date yet? :D

I heard April 2010; Source from a post production Ghost Hunter interview via Jason Hawes (interview was about working with Meat on set).

Suzieq

AndrewG

06 Aug 2009, 17:32

Well there is jack shit happening in the Meat Loaf Twitter world at the moment as Twitter has been the target of a Denial of Service attack and has been down for the last few hours now.... :-(

RSG

06 Aug 2009, 19:13

there's always youtube! ;) That last girl, Kara? She was a cutie, me thinks :)

cowboy

06 Aug 2009, 21:59

we posted 3 new ones yesterday!
m

cowboy

06 Aug 2009, 22:03

Kara is one of the judges on America Idol. For those who would like to know, Justin has co-written a song and Played Guitar on that song. He also Sang with a group on a song or 2. Really like him. Fun !

M

Pudding

06 Aug 2009, 22:04

That last girl, Kara? She was a cutie, me thinks :)

Methinks too :))

Pudding

06 Aug 2009, 22:06

Justin has co-written a song and Played Guitar on that song. He also Sang with a group on a song or 2. Really like him. Fun !

M

I think Justin used to work in a pub in Huddersfield called 'The Crown' or one of his Darkness bandmates did, so I was told when I used to drink there.

AndrewG

06 Aug 2009, 22:08

Saw the clips on the YouTube channel, despite Twitter being down. I agree Kara is gorgeous. What is it with American girls eh??? Bloody hell! She's 38, I wouldn't have thought that actually, I would have guessed 30 or so.

So has Kara then listened to most of the album. I'm interested knowing what she means with "it's a complete journey". Can't wait to hear it all finished!

Wario

06 Aug 2009, 22:46

Vickip

06 Aug 2009, 22:51

Sarge

06 Aug 2009, 22:51

and Played Guitar on that song.

I also saw him playing bass in one of the videos. I wonder if it was on the same song.

mszee

06 Aug 2009, 22:54

Are any of Kara's songs on the new record?

RSG

06 Aug 2009, 22:58

Justin sang with a group? Like background vocals, or something similar to 1983's Promised Land :cool:

The Flying Mouse

06 Aug 2009, 23:03

Justin sang with a group? Like background vocals, or something similar to 1983's Promised Land :cool:

:twisted: Justin was the lead singer of a Brit band called The Darkness.

Their best know hit, I Believe In A Thing Called Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU&feature=PlayList&p=9859170692B04692&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=36).

The Darkness opened for Meat in Germany a few years ago.

RSG

06 Aug 2009, 23:11

Man they're like a mix of Queen and AcDc. Haha, Thanks Mouse! :D

snider22

06 Aug 2009, 23:32

:twisted: .

Their best know hit, I Believe In A Thing Called Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU&feature=PlayList&p=9859170692B04692&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=36).

I love that song, now I'm totally interested to hear the song that Justin and Meat worked on together.

Sarge

06 Aug 2009, 23:33

Their best know hit, I Believe In A Thing Called Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU&feature=PlayList&p=9859170692B04692&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=36).

This one's better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoYDJDiY6U

More weird dancing than in Jim Steinman's videos. :))

The Flying Mouse

06 Aug 2009, 23:37

More weird dancing than in Jim Steinman's videos. :))

:twisted: What do you mean "weird".

That's just how I dance at family piss ups :shock:

JH and TD never took themselves very seriously.
They were all about fun.
Be interesting to see if Justin is still as nuts as ever, or if he's doing some (for the lack of a better phrase) "serious work".

Sarge

06 Aug 2009, 23:51

That's just how I dance at family piss ups :shock:

Damn, I have the wrong family. I'd like to see that. :-)

Be interesting to see if Justin is still as nuts as ever

I hope he is. :twisted:

duke knooby

07 Aug 2009, 00:14

and still no banjo :(

Pudding

07 Aug 2009, 00:20

I'm not much of a Darkness fan at all, but I do like their Christmas song

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Often wondered why Meat has never done a proper Christmas single :shrug:

suzieq

07 Aug 2009, 03:14

I enjoyed the Jam Session tweet, it's nice to be a witness to the process unfolding.

Suzieq

carole

07 Aug 2009, 05:24

suzieq

07 Aug 2009, 18:23

we posted 3 new ones yesterday!
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No fault of yours Meat. Twitter was compromised yesterday and no one could log on to see the 3 tweets you posted. It was all over my local news last night. Someone had put a whammy on the server so it was overloaded. All order has been restored to twitter now, it's working just fine.

Suzieq

Steve6

07 Aug 2009, 23:53

Often wondered why Meat has never done a proper Christmas single :shrug:

I'd like to see him release a Christmas song. Bruce Springsteen did "Jingle Bells" :D

Meat did sing a Christmas song live with Ian Wright a few years back though. I think he'd look great in a Santa costume. He should have been cast in "The Santa Claus" film ahead of Tim Allen. That would have been awesome, and very funny.

Pudding

08 Aug 2009, 00:42

Are you saying the Santa Claus film with Tim Allen wasn't funny?

Some time ago I wrote some lyrics down for a Christmas song re-doing Jims 'Dance In My Pants' to 'Santa In My Pants', with Patti singing it and Meat Loaf playing Santa. I was heavily intoxicated with egg nog at the time :hic:

cowboy

08 Aug 2009, 03:31

You're giving yourself way too much credit as being the SABOTEUR. ..................
EGG NOG ??????? Santa in my Pants????? wow !!!
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samurai7

08 Aug 2009, 03:37

hey, it could work? lol

:cool:

Wario

08 Aug 2009, 03:48

Looks like the next B-Side :cool:

"I'mma dasher not a dancer

I'mma dasher not a dancer ..."

Pudding

08 Aug 2009, 08:24

You're giving yourself way too much credit as being the SABOTEUR. ..................

Really? DAMN! ...I need to get more practice in then :))

allrevvedup

08 Aug 2009, 11:10

duke knooby

08 Aug 2009, 14:30

i need a banjo
i'm holding out for a banjo to appear in a song
and its gotta be plucked
or we're gonna be ;)

nah, this aint working as a song

Sarge

08 Aug 2009, 15:20

i'm holding out for a banjo to appear in a song

Preferably on a Diane Warren song. :twisted: I'd like to hear something crazy.

Pudding

08 Aug 2009, 23:24

i've heard worse...

can we start off the lyric with "westlife roasting on an open fire..."

or is that too much?

That would be obligatory :))

Sarge

08 Aug 2009, 23:56

Really? DAMN! ...I need to get more practice in then :))

Is your new avatar part of that? :yikes:

Pudding

09 Aug 2009, 00:06

Practice makes perfect ;)

lisa01

09 Aug 2009, 00:52

Iam enjoying watching meat loaf and the band on twitter please can anyone tell my why is cc and aspen not on twitter with the rest of the band

AndrewG

09 Aug 2009, 01:40

Iam enjoying watching meat loaf and the band on twitter please can anyone tell my why is cc and aspen not on twitter with the rest of the band

Several people here answered your question already...

I love to watch meat loaf and the band on twitter can anyone tell me why is cc and aspen not on twitter with meat and the rest of the band please

aspen works in barneys in new york city
and cc is more to do with the live shows [ could be doing backing tracks for the new album? ]

I think Aspen has left the band. Maybe I'm wrong lol

Aspen left just over a year ago I think.

thats true it is. the ship sailed last year too. surprised its even an issue

Aspen went into the Chicago stage production of Dirty Dancing, i think she is touring with it now but i'm not on MySpace which is where she posts the most i think!!

It's not an issue, someone asked a question because they didn't know.

Come to think of it, didn't Aspen get married round the time she left NLE?

Yes she did ..... I think she and her husband Tony are touring with the show together :-)

Elijah's way

09 Aug 2009, 04:05

Iam enjoying watching meat loaf and the band on twitter please can anyone tell my why is cc and aspen not on twitter with the rest of the band

Aspen is no longer with the NLE.

This was posted by Aspen Miller Vincent on her myspace.

I have been cast, alongside my husband, Tony Vincent, as the lead female vocalist for the 1st National Tour of Dirty Dancing

RSG

09 Aug 2009, 10:40

Happy Birthday to Mr. Flowers. A happy guy and a underrated guitarist!

Pudding

09 Aug 2009, 10:50

Underrated by who exactly? He seems to be exactly where he wants to be, if he wanted more then I'm sure he could go out and get it.

suzieq

09 Aug 2009, 16:14

Kathy

11 Aug 2009, 01:27

A rare Saturday tweet last night, wishing Randy a Happy Birthday. I'm not sure of guitarrist ratings, but Justin Hawkins tweeted that Randy's solo they recorded could change lives. I like Randy just where he's at with the NLE! It's been said, "If the boy can play, let em' play." Happy Birthday Randy!!!

I liked Randy's Happy Birthday party tweet too :) (Happy Birthday, Randy!) ....this is silly, but you know what I wish I had? a recording, or even better video, of Meat singing Happy Birthday :) I have three friends I would play it for next week if such a recording existed :)
-Kathy

Paul191

11 Aug 2009, 03:25

Don't know if any of you guys have seen the two videos embedded in the middle of this page. I'll post the link anyway just in case. http://justinhawkinsrocks.co.uk/

Paul191

11 Aug 2009, 03:26

Few more here: http://justinhawkinsrocks.co.uk/index.php?start_from=12&ucat=&archive=&subaction=&id=&

suzieq

11 Aug 2009, 19:20

I liked Randy's Happy Birthday party tweet too :) (Happy Birthday, Randy!) ....this is silly, but you know what I wish I had? a recording, or even better video, of Meat singing Happy Birthday :) I have three friends I would play it for next week if such a recording existed :)
-Kathy

Good thoughts Kathy! You made me wish I had that too.

Suzieq

Pudding

13 Aug 2009, 03:30

Brian May, now we're talking talent, is there anything the bloke can't do?

Wario

13 Aug 2009, 03:56

Brian May, now we're talking talent, is there anything the bloke can't do?

Uhhh ..... can he wear my backpack?

Sarge

13 Aug 2009, 07:06

Brian May! :cool: How many great guitar players are acknowledged scientists as well? Isn't he chancellor of an university, too?

Uhhh ..... can he wear my backpack?

When hell freezes over...

daveake

13 Aug 2009, 07:06

Uhhh ..... can he wear my backpack?

He said "can't" not "won't" :lol:

CarylB

13 Aug 2009, 09:41

How many great guitar players are acknowledged scientists as well? Isn't he chancellor of an university, too?

Yes, John Moores Liverpool, for a couple of years now .. same year his doctorate was awarded. He replaced Cherie Blair!

Caryl

Benny

13 Aug 2009, 18:39

Wow, two rock GODS!!!:-P

Evil One

13 Aug 2009, 20:21

Brian May and Cherie Blair?

CarylB

13 Aug 2009, 20:53

Brian May and Cherie Blair?

I didn't suggest they were having an affair ;) .. But he did replace her as Chancellor when her run of office had completed its seven year term and she had to stand down. She was then appointed an Emeritus Chancellor for her services to the university during her chancellorship .. so they well may meet up .. but I doubt they'll be linked up in any other pairing :lol:

Caryl

dukesofhazard

13 Aug 2009, 22:31

So is Brian May going to be involved in this album too? If so there'll certainly be plenty of guitarists on it ;)

But as a fan of Queen and also Brian May's solo stuff I'd be more than happy to see his involvement in another Meat project.

RSG

14 Aug 2009, 07:10

Nice to see Brian May in L.A. !! The twitter with Randy and Paul playing the riff nearly floors me. I trust this is going to be steller album. Meat! I'm not worthy!

Evil One

14 Aug 2009, 12:13

People seem to be forgetting that Brian May's involvement with Bat 3 was less than stellar.

Wario

14 Aug 2009, 12:14

People seem to be forgetting that Brian May's involvement with Bat 3 was less than stellar.

BFG needed more guitars yes but BM's contribution was still good.

Look at a time for heroes

DazLoaf01

14 Aug 2009, 14:44

People seem to be forgetting that Brian May's involvement with Bat 3 was less than stellar.

I was under the impression that Brian's guitar work on Bat3 was a highlight? Even Jim Steinman himself loved it.

Smithie

14 Aug 2009, 16:03

These Twitter videos are awesome. Great to see Brian May. Any more videos with Patti? She's so gorgeous- Is she married? ;)

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Sarge

14 Aug 2009, 21:10

The twitter with Randy and Paul playing the riff nearly floors me.

Check out this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRpJg1StvFw :cool:

suzieq

14 Aug 2009, 23:14

I do hear the similarities between 4-11 sec. mark of Randy's groovin' tweet.

Pudding

15 Aug 2009, 04:30

I was under the impression that Brian's guitar work on Bat3 was a highlight? Even Jim Steinman himself loved it.

The biggest problem with Brian May's guitarwork is that there wasn't enough of it. What there was was fantastic, but no solo in the middle is a huge anti climax.

AndrewG

15 Aug 2009, 11:19

I thought Bad for Good was unnecessarily shortened on the album. Indeed there should have been a solo after the "put your foot on the gas let it go, let it go" bit and the God Speed bit should have been put back in. Final criticism is that the piano was turned down too low. Other than that the production works well imo.

Wario

15 Aug 2009, 11:25

RadioMaster

15 Aug 2009, 11:28

i thought that the whole of bat3 has been shortened too much, to sound more mainstream-y. Just listen to the intro to IACBTMN and compare it to the original pan'box version, and you'll know what I mean.

It certainly does have it's moments though...

Wario

15 Aug 2009, 11:36

DazLoaf01

15 Aug 2009, 13:19

The biggest problem with Brian May's guitarwork is that there wasn't enough of it. What there was was fantastic, but no solo in the middle is a huge anti climax.

100% agreed. You really miss that lack of solo in the middle... it just feels "empty".

*originaldancechick

15 Aug 2009, 15:33

I totally agree with the BAT3 thing, I think some of those songs were shortened and it wasn't a good thing. Luv cx

AndyK

15 Aug 2009, 17:59

Based on the Brian May twitter's, Meat could have another career working for QVC or one of the other shopping channels.

nikox1

15 Aug 2009, 20:10

the latest music clip of paul and randy sounds like the monster is loose dont ya think? a little bit similer? guitar work is great in that clip

Sarge

15 Aug 2009, 20:39

the latest music clip of paul and randy sounds like the monster is loose dont ya think?

Interesting thought. I think the riff rather sounds like Led Zep's Kashmir. Puff Daddy used it for the Godzilla soundtrack, so in both cases a monster is involved. :)) (By the way, Puff Daddy's Come With Me and Meat Loaf's Monster both have "softer" middle parts that are similar to each other. It might be a coincidence, I think it's interesting.)

RadioMaster

15 Aug 2009, 22:01

i actually think BAAB is the song on bat3 that strongly resembles kashmir

Sarge

16 Aug 2009, 00:34

I've never noticed that before but you're right. The music in the part when Meat starts to sing "I'm not afraid of..." sounds indeed like Kashmir.

Pudding

16 Aug 2009, 00:43

Puff Daddy used it for the Godzilla soundtrack,

Thanks, been racking my brains trying to think of where I've heard it before and indeed it's Puff Daddy's Come With Me from Godzilla.

duke knooby

16 Aug 2009, 01:46

so brian may appears, and it changes to a discussion about the last album?????

lets get back on topic people... still no banjo :(

suzieq

16 Aug 2009, 02:10

Hmm...I thought the topic was about Meat's tweets. The tweet referenced above was Randy's groovin' tweet. Which could be a recording, which could resemble that of Kashmir or BAAB. I've moved on from Brian May as I'm not sure about his contribution to this work. Finally, last I checked, the tweets do not indicate a banjo. So that piece of equipment is off topic.

duke knooby

16 Aug 2009, 02:12

thats me told

Lord Kagan

16 Aug 2009, 02:17

lol oooooooooooh right, might be a hidden suprise

Pudding

16 Aug 2009, 02:23

Where's the BANJO?

Lord Kagan

16 Aug 2009, 02:27

ive been hiding it all along, ive secretly been hired to do a banjo solo a certain song

Wario

16 Aug 2009, 03:49

Watch, we get a banjo solo in a song. just watch. i bet you....

dukesofhazard

16 Aug 2009, 14:30

From Brian May's blog:-
But I can probably mention that I played a small solo for Meat .... and ... the mighty John Miceli tracked some incredible drums, for a couple of new songs we're working on for the Kerry Ellis album. It's sounding amazing.

So sounds like there's at least a little involvement from Brian on a song on the new album. Certainly sounds like everyone is doing plenty there!!

suzieq

17 Aug 2009, 03:24

Where's the BANJO?

Banjo talk moved to here ... twang (http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13451)

I think you'll find what you need here. :-)

You may get 45 seconds of ecstasy (banjo time), buy the album and search for a banjo. If there is one in there I'm sure banjo fans will find it.

AndrewG

18 Aug 2009, 01:49

P4EOhvSAwC0

A long Twitter with lots of info.
7 weeks of tracking...15 songs done, lots of writers on this album.
Some potential song titles: "If it's raining...", "If I can't Find You"
Not sure I got all these names right:
James Michael
Rick Brantley
Greg Bekker
Kevin Curtis
Jon Bon Jovi :shock:
Tom Handbridge
Shawn Mcconnell
Jaron Johnston
Kara Dioguardi (such a honey ;-) )

Suppossed to be a double/triple album??? Meat is probably mocking us... :))

Sounds great none the less!

Oh ehh... almost forgot... Get well soon Meat!

RSG

18 Aug 2009, 02:00

Meat is the man! Heh. He was mocking us about a triple CD ;) heh
It's nice to see a tweeter like this. I can promise ya this... if the songs are great. Many of us wouldn't mind a double disc Meat Loaf record. There's never been one so far.

Hey Meat, I'm just curious is there anyway you can film around where you were sitting. It looks cool over there! :P

Wario

18 Aug 2009, 03:26

Wow. Bon Jovi. Wow. He wrote piano man right?

Mabey well get a PM cover! WOOT!

suzieq

18 Aug 2009, 03:41

RSG

18 Aug 2009, 03:56

Wow. Bon Jovi. Wow. He wrote piano man right?

Mabey well get a PM cover! WOOT!

Billy Joel wrote 'Piano Man' hun.

Sarge

18 Aug 2009, 07:19

Very informative video, I'm curious how the new album will sound and whether it will have its own style in spite of the numerous songwriters.

I hope he'll get better soon.

Jon Bon Jovi :shock:

I hope it's something as great as Living on a Prayer and not another Bed of Roses.

Wow. Bon Jovi. Wow. He wrote piano man right?

:kickass: Watch out... (although Meat doing a Billy Joel song would be cool)

RSG

18 Aug 2009, 08:07

This will be a very different record. For I, more exciting than 05,06. 2009, has me on the brink of my seat. I'm far flung with wonder. Wow!

My life goes on, smartasses ;) babybat and I are expecting a baby late December, early January. Wow!

Anthony

Pudding

18 Aug 2009, 08:32

He was mocking us about a triple CD ;) heh

There's no flies on you :))

Like most people now I'll be finding out who the f*ck half of the songwriters are and what they've done. So no Diane Warren or maybe there is Diane Warren and Meat purposely chose not to mention her :shrug:

As for the album being different, of course it's going to be different, it has different songs on it that Meat hasn't sung before, how different do you want it :??:

AndyK

18 Aug 2009, 08:48

how different do you want it :??:

Personally I'll be gutted if it doens't come with a bonus DVD of recipes.

bobbin

18 Aug 2009, 08:50

Lots of info on this last tweet is right. However for those with music production knowledge, can anyone please explain what exactly "tracking" means? Does it mean just the music is done, or does it mean the music and lyrics are done? Then what's the next step after tracking? I'm stirring it around as he's said in the last part of the tweet. But now it opened up a whole new can of worms. Thanks for your knowledge in advance.

Feel better Meat!
Suzieq

It means all the different instuments and vocals have been recorded, they just need fitting together properly and the sound tweaking, this is the bit where the producer earns their pay :-D the songs sound very very coarse right now and little mistakes might show.

Like most people now I'll be finding out who the f*ck half of the songwriters are and what they've done. So no Diane Warren or maybe there is Diane Warren and Meat purposely chose not to mention her :shrug:

Well Adam Lambert was also there also recording, and i reckon he would be singing the kind of songs she writes so might have just been a coincidence.