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I found this on YouTube. It's from the Rock and Roll camp that Meat did recently.
On the one hand it's a bit disrespectful as it's been shot after Meat asked for the cameras to be turned off...
...on the other hand it's great to hear him fired up, shouting, swearing and genuinely being the big Meat Loaf character we all love. And I thought had mellowed.
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Moonlight shadow
29 Dec 2009, 22:20
Is a Master!
Fantastico Meat!:D
Just wow! The man practices what he preaches. And I could listen to that lecture for hours (what a gift he's given these up and comers). Sorry for the fact that someone recorded against his wishes, but not sorry for have seen it.
Suzieq
An afterthought: I can't stop thinking about this video, I've watched it 3 times and it is emblazed in my mind. I'm not sure why I'm so affected by Meat's lesson here, I'm still trying to figure that out, but it did leave a huge positive impression on me which caught me off guard.
Again, I am sorry that this video was recorded against Meat's wishes, but this video has left me with reason number 1001 why I am a such a huge Meat Loaf fan. My educated guess that Meat didn't want this recorded was because he may have felt that this little glimpse of information he gave this band would expose some of his own magic to his fans. Or was it the number of F bombs he was about to drop? Naw, not the latter.
For 10 minutes +, Meat (the man) gives this band a piece of Meat (the performer) and that is so selfless. And what he says is 100% true.
How many times have you been in audience and you can feel that tension before Meat takes stage? And before he even makes a sound? And guess what? He does it right now....he creates a tension with his tweets and between his posts here...he practices what he preaches and he's a master at it.
This video just confirmed that I do feel what I feel and Meat is the one who makes me feel that way. Completely captivated 100% of his live show and 100% during his CD playing with magic intact all the way.
Sorry so long, but I had to get all that out.
Suzieq
nice afterthought. I always like to read your posts susieq. One thing is certain is that when Meat and the NLE play to an audience. They really do work hard.
howlerformeatloaf
31 Dec 2009, 20:54
I cant wait to see my first one but when I do I am sure I will feel the same way. I agree Suzie it was not the latter I think he was worried about lol
nice afterthought. I always like to read your posts susieq. One thing is certain is that when Meat and the NLE play to an audience. They really do work hard.
What a nice thing to say about my posts, RSG. Thank you. And you are certainly right about the hard work that Meat and the NLE put into their live shows.
I cant wait to see my first one but when I do I am sure I will feel the same way. I agree Suzie it was not the latter I think he was worried about lol
Howler, I have no doubt you will be drawn in when you get to go to your first Meat concert.
Suzieq
I got a feeling this new record will capture the intensity and energy the live shows provide.
I thought the video was fantastic i loved meat loaf in the video i thought he looked very well and i cant wait for the album to come out
How many times have you been in audience and you can feel that tension before Meat takes stage? And before he even makes a sound?
Suzieq
I've been going to Meat's concerts for .. gosh, over 30 years now .. and have always loved to watch him pace the stage and take ownership of every inch of the auditorium and every soul in it. He's the ultimate example of ecopower in action!!
And I've always seen him as a magician on stage, so it was lovely to hear him describe what he does as just that :-) .. always something magic, always something new .. and the passion people are always bowled over by and that he puts into everything he does was so evident in his tutorial .. spellbinding!!
Caryl
An afterthought: I can't stop thinking about this video, I've watched it 3 times and it is emblazed in my mind. I'm not sure why I'm so affected by Meat's lesson here, I'm still trying to figure that out, but it did leave a huge positive impression on me which caught me off guard.
Again, I am sorry that this video was recorded against Meat's wishes, but this video has left me with reason number 1001 why I am a such a huge Meat Loaf fan. My educated guess that Meat didn't want this recorded was because he may have felt that this little glimpse of information he gave this band would expose some of his own magic to his fans. Or was it the number of F bombs he was about to drop? Naw, not the latter.
For 10 minutes +, Meat (the man) gives this band a piece of Meat (the performer) and that is so selfless. And what he says is 100% true.
How many times have you been in audience and you can feel that tension before Meat takes stage? And before he even makes a sound? And guess what? He does it right now....he creates a tension with his tweets and between his posts here...he practices what he preaches and he's a master at it.
This video just confirmed that I do feel what I feel and Meat is the one who makes me feel that way. Completely captivated 100% of his live show and 100% during his CD playing with magic intact all the way.
Sorry so long, but I had to get all that out.
Suzieq
Thanks for posting Caryl, it really gave us an insight into what Meat puts into his shows, and how lucky those guys were to be given those tips from Meat. He really is a great teacher. Well said Suzie, couldn't have said it better myself, you really summed up how I feel about Meat as well. I'm torn between being sorry it was recorded against his wishes, but am also glad I saw it. That is so true that he has us in the palm of his hand through the whole show and captivates us till the end with his magic.
Carole
Thanks for posting that video.
Thanks for posting it LP :-)
This was an awesome insight into Meat...I agree with Susieq... he grabs me before he gets on stage, during the show, and i am in awe after the show... i can listen to his CDs non-stop ... he touches me. Thanks for posting this video!
MissAsh
04 Jan 2010, 23:19
Video down by Red Pony.
Drat, I've been away for a few days with only dial up internet so I didn't get to see it. :( I guess it's best that way if it was recorded against Meat's wishes though.
RadioMaster
04 Jan 2010, 23:44
dont worry, youre not the only one lol
evil nickname
05 Jan 2010, 00:08
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Red Pony Tours.
I wonder what copyrights held by Red Pony Tours are being violated in a video of a critique of a live performance.
As far as I know, and I am not a IP-lawyer, the copyright of the recording lies with whoever recorded it, and its content doesn't seem to meet the criteria for an original work as intended in copyright law. And to be clear, that Meat doesn't want it filmed is another matter and doesn't seem a copyright infringement to me.
The Flying Mouse
05 Jan 2010, 00:51
:twisted: I suppose that it has something to do with the terms and conditions signed by those who attended the rock camp.
Yes, I agree Flying Mouse. Sort of like the NFL, MLB, NHL and other sporting groups where they say retransmission of any information is prohibited without expressed written consent of (fill in the applicable name here). So, while it might not be copyrighted as we know it, it is still protected information.
Suzieq
evil nickname
05 Jan 2010, 01:31
:twisted: I suppose that it has something to do with the terms and conditions signed by those who attended the rock camp.
Could be. :shrug:
Basically, I am interested in copyright and related issues on the internet, and based on what I know, I find it an odd copyright claim.
Yes, I agree Flying Mouse. Sort of like the NFL, MLB, NHL and other sporting groups where they say retransmission of any information is prohibited without expressed written consent of (fill in the applicable name here). So, while it might not be copyrighted as we know it, it is still protected information.
Suzieq
Exactly .. and similar to theatres/arenas where recording/taping/photography is prohibited .. Plus Meat clearly says at the beginning "Turn off the cameras".
Whether or not it's copyright per se or not (and there seem to be as many definitions of this regarding the internet as we've had hot dinners:?), Meat didn't give permission, in fact specifically refused it, wanted it removed from the internet, and Utube seems to be acting on reasonable requests from artists now to remove bootlegs and other illicitly recorded items.
I admit to viewing it, although I felt a bit uncomfortable about doing so .. but imo Meat was perfectly entitled to request its removal given the circumstances, and Utube right to remove it. Whether it's defined legally as copright is moot and probably hard to establish, given the plethora of definitions around .. but it's a convenient way to explain its removal I think .. and lets us know where Meat stands ;)
Caryl
I find it an odd copyright claim.
It's not that odd when you consider a particular other video that was taken off along with this one.
Could be. :shrug:
Basically, I am interested in copyright and related issues on the internet, and based on what I know, I find it an odd copyright claim.
it was meats work, a song belonging to him? case closed really
if someone stuck a video of you running around your living room but naked!!
would you not ask to take it down?:lol:
not that i am saying you do such things of course!!
anyway its youtube who would be taken to court, if they refused to take it off
evil nickname
05 Jan 2010, 10:49
It's not that odd when you consider a particular other video that was taken off along with this one.
Yes, but I am not talking about that video. I'm talking about this one, where Meat is talking to a band. It's the exchange of ideas, and ideas are not covered by copyright law.
if someone stuck a video of you running around your living room but naked!!
would you not ask to take it down?:lol:
Indeed, I think I would ask whomever uploaded said hypothetical video to take it down, but I wouldn't send Youtube a take down notice claiming my copyrights are being violated. Cause unless I would be running around in a highly choreographed fashion, making it modern dance or something, there would be no copyright to infringe regarding my performance in the video.
anyway its youtube who would be taken to court, if they refused to take it off
Yes. And that is why they seem to take every video down once there's a copyright claim made against it. It is Youtube's obligation to check whether or not that claim has any merit, and in the case of this particular video, I am hard pressed to see how Red Pony Tours' copyright was being violated. That Meat didn't want it filmed is, once again, another matter.
RadioMaster
05 Jan 2010, 11:02
so, by that logic I could contact youtube and ask them to take down the video of me doing karaoke drunk at that pub in london because I hold the copyright? Would be the same situation i reckon.
evil nickname
05 Jan 2010, 11:22
Well, you could always claim that as a performer you have certain rights. You don't own the copyright to the song (as it's a cover), and I doubt that the performance itself is an original work of art, as drunk karaoke isn't exactly orginal. But once again, I am not a IP-lawyer. I just find this stuff interesting.
It's probably more a case of You Tube having a pre defined set of reasons for taking videos down that violate it's terms of service. As with any predefined list there will always be an exception to the rule somewhere alogn the line and it's possible that this is the situation here, woith copyright infrigement being the reason that the trained monkey at YouTube who deleted the video chose when they dealt with this "case"
roomster
05 Jan 2010, 13:46
it was meats work, a song belonging to him? case closed really
I think you mix this thread with the leaked song thread (http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13908).
This thread is about the video where Meat is talking to a band and giving them instructions about performing on stage.
Think of the reality of youtube for a minute. They are making enough money to pay users whose videos are being watched over and over again up to thousands of dollars a month. Youtube is making a fortune off the backs of others content. It would serve them well to keep users happy - No Matter What.
Dave
It's probably more a case of You Tube having a pre defined set of reasons for taking videos down that violate it's terms of service. As with any predefined list there will always be an exception to the rule somewhere alogn the line and it's possible that this is the situation here, woith copyright infrigement being the reason that the trained monkey at YouTube who deleted the video chose when they dealt with this "case"
I agree. Predetermined reasoning for wanting the video removed. Nothing matches the exact circumstance. Check the box with copyright situation selection and there the video is down. Easy and done. I wouldn't get to overthinking the situation. More or less, if there is a video with defamation or the like, they may have a convenient little box for that. Clearly Meat expressed his desires not to have the cameras rolling. So the expressed consent was NO consent.
Suzieq
Yes, but I am not talking about that video.
I know you aren't. As far as I remember, both videos were uploaded by the same user (correct me if I'm wrong). I assume when removing the one containing the song they probably just did not bother to find a separate, different reason for taking down the other unapproved recordings - apparently they removed them in one go.
Clearly Meat expressed his desires not to have the cameras rolling. So the expressed consent was NO consent.
Right. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether it's a violation of his copyright, personal rights, whatever...
Well Red Pony Tours has also been active in the last few days in removing a few other long standing Meat vids on youtube. Let's hope its because he's releasing his full tour back catalogue on dvd. Otherwise I can't see the point
Evil One
08 Jan 2010, 23:30
Petty arseholeishness?
The Flying Mouse
08 Jan 2010, 23:45
:twisted: Depends on what's being taken down.
If it's vids that just show pretty pictures while his entire catolouge plays in the background, i'm 100% behind him on that.
How is he supposed to sell albums when everything is on youtube?
But if it's interviews, then it should be left where it it.
Same goes for promo vids, to an extent.
If the vids in question are commercially available (like the stuff on Hits Out Of Hell), then fair enough, take them down.
But if it's stuff that is not commercially available (Modern Girl promo vid for example) then they should be left on youtube for the benefit of the fans.
If they're going to be released on an official release, GREAT.
But I don't hold with stuff being taken down because someone owns the copyright and might want to release something in 20 years time.
On the vid from rock camp, I agree with Meat on that one.
The guy said no cameras, so what do you expect? :shrug:
And if Meat wants to have them taken down .. that's the point imo.
Caryl
And if Meat wants to have them taken down .. that's the point imo.
Caryl
Exactly.
Vicki
I got into the youtube thing (as aputey) as I had a load of Meat stuff on original vhs from the 80s / early 90s that I thought merited sharing as there was little chance of pro release. Most of it was recorded by myself when originally broadcast, not trades etc. I was always going to take stuff down if it ever came out on dvd (although the label did beat me to it on the 1978 tour vids). It was done with the utmost respect for him as an artist and reflected some of the greatest concerts I've ever been to
It was enjoyable though - I got some great feedback from former members of the Neverland Express
Due to the claim that I may have inadvertently infringed copyright on one video, I have taken them all down to ensure compliance with youtube policy
Thing is if he discovers my Channel thats meat heaven. But nothing i post is commercial accessable....
My channel's meant to be a sorta meat loaf encyclopedia :(
The Flying Mouse
09 Jan 2010, 20:48
Thing is if he discovers my Channel thats meat heaven. But nothing i post is commercial accessable....
My channel's meant to be a sorta meat loaf encyclopedia :(
:twisted: Just like every other fan site in the world that has video and sound recordings on it's pages (despite the legalities of copyright law).
Fans like to share and, and rightly or wrongly, they believe they are providing a free and harmless service for fellow fans.
You either believe that, or you side with the artist and management (you can't really do both).
It's a shame there was not a little more common sence and a little less law.
:twisted: Just like every other fan site in the world that has video and sound recordings on it's pages (despite the legalities of copyright law).
Fans like to share and, and rightly or wrongly, they believe they are providing a free and harmless service for fellow fans.
You either believe that, or you side with the artist and management (you can't really do both).
It's a shame there was not a little more common sence and a little less law.
However, you can put short clips of recordings you have purchased on your site and remain within the copyright laws Mouse, thus sharing with fellow fans and supporting the artist.
Imo it's the frequently poor quality of illicit recordings made at live performances which upset artists, plus the fact that those who record live shows had no permission to do so, or have acquired what are in effect stolen sound board tapes. Common sense needs to come from both sides ;)
Caryl
However, you can put short clips of recordings you have purchased on your site and remain within the copyright laws Mouse, thus sharing with fellow fans and supporting the artist.
Your criteria as to when something's a copyright infringement and when it's "supporting the artist" are beginning to confuse me.
When we set up our website we were advised by Meat's official site that clips of no longer than 2 minutes (I believe it's that; I didn't prepare and post the clips) were permitted and did not infringe Meat's copyright, and we always stuck to that. They are tasters and arguably could encourage someone to buy the recording, thus supporting the artist. We did not post any clips from live bootleg recordings, nor post songs in their entirety.
Caryl
Evil One
09 Jan 2010, 23:13
But what about stuff that is of good quality such as the Live In The Neighbourhood tv show? It's probably never going to be shown on tv again so where is the harm in having it on Youtube? Many fans won't have seen it and it may even encourage more sales of WTTN.
WhenItComes2LovingU
09 Jan 2010, 23:23
Where U.S. law stands, I only know this:
In regards to the legality of the video home recording act settled by Congress with the Home Recording Act (P.L. 102-563,106 Stat.4237, Codified at 17 U.S.C. 1001-1010) in October 1992, no action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital or analog recording medium or based on the noncommercial use of such a device or medium. No rights are intended, expressed or implied.
I'm surprised more YouTubers haven't used this, but with that in mind, if anyone knows a lawyer and is petty enough to argue the issue, the Americans could take Red Pony to court, but even so, that's no guarantee.
Evil One
09 Jan 2010, 23:45
The main point is that Youtube won't want the hassle so will just delete anything that is complained about. :shrug:
When we set up our website we were advised by Meat's official site that clips of no longer than 2 minutes (I believe it's that; I didn't prepare and post the clips) were permitted and did not infringe Meat's copyright, and we always stuck to that.
What about clips from international TV? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's the broadcasting channels who have the copyright in this case? How can Meat Loaf (or whoever represents him) decide whether it's okay to use such clips?
WhenItComes2LovingU
09 Jan 2010, 23:52
Exactly. Looks to me like Red Pony Tours would have to have signed an agreement with the broadcasting channels for footage ownership before they can make such copyright claims. Unless they provide the piece of paper that says they did, some uploaders might have to call their bluff.
What about clips from international TV? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's the broadcasting channels who have the copyright in this case? How can Meat Loaf (or whoever represents him) decide whether it's okay to use such clips?
I was talking about album recordings. We have a multimedia section with many short clips from these.
As far as TV shows, interviews etc, I'm not aware that any of these have been removed at Meat's request? I suspect you're correct, and it would be the broadcaster who holds copyright.
As far as recordings of live performances taken in the audience are concerned, I'd consider them bootlegs and we wouldn't post them. That's my view anyway.
Caryl
I was talking about album recordings. We have a multimedia section with many short clips from these. [...] As far as TV shows, interviews etc, I'm not aware that any of these have been removed at Meat's request?
I was referring to your website and I know what's on it, that's why I asked.
I was referring to your website and I know what's on it, that's why I asked.
So do I, and as far as TV interviews are concerned I would consider them home recordings and legitimate to post providing there is no commercial gain, which there isn't. But I'm not aware that Meat has requested that TV interviews be removed from Utube.
As I said, we don't post bootleg recordings of performances, and we keep clips from albums short as advised when we started.
Caryl
Red Pony Tours took down my video on youtube of I'd lie for you and that's the truth from the Beacon Theatre Welcome to Neighbourhood concert. I'd taped this myself on vhs when originally broadcast in the UK. I'm not sure exactly where that stands legally but I can't be bothered even thinking of a challenge - If he doesn't want it out there then so be it
AndrewG
10 Jan 2010, 12:53
Red Pony Tours put in a copyright infrigement against one of my Maet Loaf videos. They are a cover band who play Meat Loaf songs. If cover bands and other artists / singers would not be allowed to put up any songs of other original artists I reckon you can take down around 20-30% of YouTube. It seems to me that YouTube automatically just take down videos as soon as you make a copyright infringement claim no matter what the content is of that video. I even put "COVER" in all my video titles a while back but that did not even work I guess. They can shove it up their ass.
This is an emotive subject, but please try to avoid the petty insults, which have been and will be removed.
I agree with Andrew. I have no problem with justified copyright claims but what they are doing at the moment appears strange to me. If Meat Loaf doesn't want people to see and hear some of his best work or anything associated with his name, fine. I just ordered a CD of an amazing songwriter I discovered via a short, low-quality video on YouTube. --- Who is Meat Loaf?
AndrewG
10 Jan 2010, 19:20
Red Pony Tours just did it again. I have now deleted ALL Maet Loaf videos from my YouTube account. Apparently after three strikes you are out and they ban your YouTube account. I will never upload a single Meat Loaf related video to YouTube again. Instead of supporting Meat Loaf I support myself and I have a lot of other interests. Cheerio guys. :))
I don't know about anyone else, but personally all of this petty youtube bickering is getting just about old. There is a new album on the horizon, it seems like whoever is handling Meat Loaf's affairs is cleaning house of what they do not wish to have on youtube in regards to Mr. Loaf, and frankly there is not one thing any of us can do about it.
The guys who broke out of the google camp to develop and coordinate the youtube project are making a fortune off of the backs of everyone else's creative process. Youtube does not create any content of its own, yet is a very financially sucessful business. It would behoove youtube and be in the best interest of the project to do what they can to keep artists who create work that is uploaded to the project happy by removing what the artists and/or represenatives find to be a violation of their creative process. I do not blame youtube - they need to keep their cash cows (the artists) happy to continue to rake in the big money.
Such is life people...such is life.
Dave
djfierce
10 Jan 2010, 21:06
Red Pony Tours put in a copyright infrigement against one of my Maet Loaf videos. They are a cover band who play Meat Loaf songs. If cover bands and other artists / singers would not be allowed to put up any songs of other original artists I reckon you can take down around 20-30% of YouTube. It seems to me that YouTube automatically just take down videos as soon as you make a copyright infringement claim no matter what the content is of that video. I even put "COVER" in all my video titles a while back but that did not even work I guess. They can shove it up their ass.
It's because there are so many on youtube that YT refuse to police the service, claiming the disclaimer you see when you upload is all they have to do. They have since come to agreement with the PRS and BPS that they will remove content if it is pointed out to them, hence the ridiculous claim form filling for every video.
Cover bands can also be taken down as their PRS membership (if they are legal and have one) doesn't extend to recorded performance, only public performance.
Personally i dont like all the removal of vids, especially the stuff that we can no longer get. But if that's what Meat wants then so be it. I've just uploaded a load of P!nk videos from her last tour, if she wants them taken down then fine, it's her decision what she wants out there, i made sure i only put up ones that were good to watch though, not any old shite. What i'm saying is, while i enjoy the vids people put up and appreciate the time they take to do it,if it gets taken down, you can hardly complain, you know it shouldnt be there.
Hopefully once the new album is out and sunk in, Meat will loosen up a bit and like many other artists see yt as a promotional tool rather than a hinderence.
madagascar
10 Jan 2010, 21:11
This whole thing is so easy.
Go online, watch a new video, download it to your harddrive, see it being removed and watch it all over again on your pc.:roll:
AndrewG
10 Jan 2010, 22:09
I don't know about anyone else, but personally all of this petty youtube bickering is getting just about old. There is a new album on the horizon, it seems like whoever is handling Meat Loaf's affairs is cleaning house of what they do not wish to have on youtube in regards to Mr. Loaf, and frankly there is not one thing any of us can do about it.
The guys who broke out of the google camp to develop and coordinate the youtube project are making a fortune off of the backs of everyone else's creative process. Youtube does not create any content of its own, yet is a very financially sucessful business. It would behoove youtube and be in the best interest of the project to do what they can to keep artists who create work that is uploaded to the project happy by removing what the artists and/or represenatives find to be a violation of their creative process. I do not blame youtube - they need to keep their cash cows (the artists) happy to continue to rake in the big money.
Such is life people...such is life.
Dave
Wrong on all three accounts.
The bickering of YouTube removal is getting old? Red Pony tours only just claimed copyright infringement on two of my videos this weekend. How is this discussion getting old? Are you saying we cannot possibly ever discuss anything that some people do not agree with what Meat is doing? If that is the case I will definitely not be coming back to this place.
In addition to the "cleaning house" Red Pony Tours is claiming copyright infringement on videos it CERTAINLY does not hold any copyright on in the first place ie in my case videos of a tribute artist. If ANYONE could claim copyright it is Jim Steinman himself as he holds copyright to the songs and publishing rights yet it seems Meat Loaf who is more fussed about copyright which I think is wrong. I doubt Red Pony Tours is acting on behalf of the almost mysteriously vanished from this planet Jim Steinman.
Google has made a huge loss on YouTube so far, ie it has not even recuperated the $1.65 billion purchase. It will take them many years to do so considering the huge costs of its 1 billion per day video watched bandwidth. They don't care about copyright / approval of videos themselves as it would cost far too much money to do this properly.
ChrisBelfast
11 Jan 2010, 01:08
Maybe the reason Meat wants covers of his songs taken off Youtube is because they are so awful, and he doesnt want his songs to be heard murdered. Thats just my opinion on what I hear on youtube and people's websites when they cover his material.
AndrewG
11 Jan 2010, 13:51
Maybe the reason Meat wants covers of his songs taken off Youtube is because they are so awful, and he doesnt want his songs to be heard murdered. Thats just my opinion on what I hear on youtube and people's websites when they cover his material.
Maybe that's the reason but it does not give him legal grounds to do this surely. Moreover to me Meat Loaf is not God and I do like to hear other people's interpretations of songs whether they are written by Jim Steinman or not. In either case I get the message and I won't be associating myself online with Meat Loaf video/photography material ever again.
The Flying Mouse
11 Jan 2010, 22:51
:twisted: It it just me, or does it seem to be a bit coincidental that Red Pony Tours has started taking down all these vids round about time that .net is due a relaunch?
Perhaps Meat has a new web team and they're a bit eager to show that they're doing something, and removing youtube vids is the easiest way to show quick results? :bleh:
Evil One
11 Jan 2010, 23:16
Lets hope Meat has a new web team anyway!
djfierce
11 Jan 2010, 23:41
Maybe that's the reason but it does not give him legal grounds to do this surely. Moreover to me Meat Loaf is not God and I do like to hear other people's interpretations of songs whether they are written by Jim Steinman or not. In either case I get the message and I won't be associating myself online with Meat Loaf video/photography material ever again.
it sucks but he does have legal grounds, i know it's a common thing on yt but no one can just sing an artists song and broadcast it. I did explain this in my last post :roll:
:twisted: It it just me, or does it seem to be a bit coincidental that Red Pony Tours has started taking down all these vids round about time that .net is due a relaunch?
Perhaps Meat has a new web team and they're a bit eager to show that they're doing something, and removing youtube vids is the easiest way to show quick results? :bleh:
Had me thinking Mouse (which is always dangerous): This timing (around now Jan. 10-12) may all be snowballing into Meat's original post on another thread. When you hear what I'm doing just go with the flow........perhaps the YT, the .net, the UK show etc. are all part of the Universal plan? It could all be taken as "go with the flow". For all we know, they can be purging YT for a bigger purpose than any of us have suggested thus far. Although, the infamous leak video could've been the straw that broke the camel's back with YT. The leaked song could have been an accelerant to the purge.
The only one who can say for sure is Meat, he hasn't made a peep about it here since all the videos have been taken down. Then again, he really doesn't need to, does he?
Suzieq
Then again, he really doesn't need to, does he?
Suzieq
No, he doesn't as far as I'm concerned
Caryl
The only one who can say for sure is Meat, he hasn't made a peep about it here since all the videos have been taken down. Then again, he really doesn't need to, does he?
Suzieq
No he doesn't Suzieq.
AndrewG
12 Jan 2010, 04:00
it sucks but he does have legal grounds, i know it's a common thing on yt but no one can just sing an artists song and broadcast it. I did explain this in my last post :roll:
I talked this over with a guy I went to uni with who did some music law. Apparently YouTube themselve pay music publishers, companies such as Harry Fox, ASCAP etc royalties in order to consent with the broadcasting of music and video clips, even trailers etc. Since artists such as Meat Loaf and record companies get paid royalties from these companies it is in fact in their interest to keep videos up. I thought that was a very interesting point of view.
I'm actually finding this situation with regards to the removal of YT videos with cover songs highly ironic considering the legal mess surrounding Bat 3. :lol:
djfierce
12 Jan 2010, 11:52
well, a great big chunk of my previous six months in the studio was being told this stuff inside and out, and it's a section i got a distinction in, so i', not just blowing smoke hun, you should know i dont post about stuff i have no clue, but this stuff is still fresh in my little tiny head ;-)
You've pretty much said what i said, only i quoted the two british companies involved in the process (there are many, as it's an international medium). The fee yt pay covers official channels, not joe bloggs from we are fans united. As i said on another thread (as this seems to be leaking all over the forum) that many many other artists have official channels which are used successfuly as promotional tools, i have fund many new artists this way. I personally don't understand why Meat isn't embracing yt and using to his advantage.
But then that's his decision and his legal right to have something done about it. Personally i don't understand it, but it's not my career to make the decisions for.
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