Fan campaign discussion

[The Flying Mouse]

You may have the album, but what we're asking is for people to stand up for Meat against the label who fail to vigorously promote singles to gather momentum for the album, and who fail to vigorously promote him[/url]



:twisted: No offense here, but saying all this is a fantastic success, what is the record company going to learn?

That they can half ass the job and still come out with an unexpected hit?

All this so they can sit around patting themselves on the back for a job well done?
Because you can guarentee that the fans who do this won't get any credit for it.

I do not download singles.
I don't know how to. (may sound strange, but i've never had any interest in downloading singles).
I know how to go to HMV and buy singles.
If they want my money they are going to have to put something in the shop that I can buy.
They are not going to put something in the shop if I download a Meat Loaf song I already have to prove a point that I don't believe in.






When people come to meatchart.net they will be able to get all our promotional materials, plus sign up their commitment to buying the track on 14June, in return getting a signed picture of Meat as a thank you.


Is this going to be an original hand signed autograph or will this be a printed one?
Because if you offer one thing and give another, you are going to have a lot of pissed off Meat Loaf fans knocking at your door.

Also note that if all this promotion is done for Meat, then it will be viewed by the layman to be in conjunction with Meat, and if people expect a Meat autograph, then it is Meat who it will reflect on if that is not what is delivered.

[Rage Against]

:twisted: No offense here, but saying all this is a fantastic success, what is the record company going to learn?

That they can half ass the job and still come out with an unexpected hit?

All this so they can sit around patting themselves on the back for a job well done?
Because you can guarentee that the fans who do this won't get any credit for it.

I do not download singles.
I don't know how to. (may sound strange, but i've never had any interest in downloading singles).
I know how to go to HMV and buy singles.
If they want my money they are going to have to put something in the shop that I can buy.
They are not going to put something in the shop if I download a Meat Loaf song I already have to prove a point that I don't believe in.







Is this going to be an original hand signed autograph or will this be a printed one?
Because if you offer one thing and give another, you are going to have a lot of pissed off Meat Loaf fans knocking at your door.

Also note that if all this promotion is done for Meat, then it will be viewed by the layman to be in conjunction with Meat, and if people expect a Meat autograph, then it is Meat who it will reflect on if that is not what is delivered.


Wow, can we be a little more negative!

I think what they've done is great! A few fans got together and made some cool videos, opened a website and are doing a lot for a musician they love. Can we be positive and support their efforts? We have others who are now offering suggestions, but did you volunteer to be a part of the effort when they asked for your help? I read the thread asking for our help and I couldn't make the time commitment so I didn't volunteer. I'm not now going to skewer them for what they've done. I think what they've done is great and if you didn't volunteer your services, then let them do their thing! All they're asking you to do is join a group on Facebook, promote the campaign and download the single. If you don't want to support Meat then why are you here? Also, June 14th is right around the corner and they're probably scrambling to get things done on time and don't want to revamp everything. Can we be a little more positive and supportive? It seems like every thread is full of negativity and now we have the chance to do something positive. And finally, it's not about teaching the record company a lesson. This is about making Meat and HCTB a success regardless of our feelings on record company politics. Let's stop picking at their efforts, stomping on what they've done and give them a "Nice Job", "Damn Well Done"!!!!!!! Support the effort...that's what fans do!

[A Slice Of English]

Putting on the FB page that you need 2000 people per day to sign up is also a bit of a mistake IMO, because frankly I think you'll be lucky to get 2000 people in total to sign up to it.

And there's being positive and being constructive. Mouse was being constructive IMO.

[Rage Against]

Putting on the FB page that you need 2000 people per day to sign up is also a bit of a mistake IMO, because frankly I think you'll be lucky to get 2000 people in total to sign up to it.

And there's being positive and being constructive. Mouse was being constructive IMO.

IMO, constructive criticism highlights the positive and negative while trying to affect change. IMO, that post was not trying to affect change.

[A Slice Of English]

It's hardly negative though, either. It's a realistic point of view. Too many opinions get written off around here as being negative when they aren't, though because they're not towing the party line, they are considered to be so.

[Rage Against]

It's hardly negative though, either. It's a realistic point of view. Too many opinions get written off around here as being negative when they aren't, though because they're not towing the party line, they are considered to be so.

Ok, so how about starting off the non-negative post with "Hey you guys are doing a great job and I appreciate your efforts! I just wanted to make a couple of observations..."

Or how about sending the comments on a PM so the thread doesn't, IMO, get negative.

[A Slice Of English]

Because its a message board and people are entitled to mention their own points of view publically, without having to constantly praise others before doing so. Praise for the sake of praise is meaningless.

[Rage Against]

"Praise for the sake of praise is meaningless."

Not to the person receiving the praise. And what happened to that old saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say..."

[A Slice Of English]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then. My personal opinion is that the post was not negative, but constructive in that it pointed out something that may not have been thought about which may have a detrimental effect on what people are trying to acheive here.

Again, let's agree to disagree and let the thread move on.

[Rage Against]

:cheers:We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then. My personal opinion is that the post was not negative, but constructive in that it pointed out something that may not have been thought about which may have a detrimental effect on what people are trying to acheive here.

Again, let's agree to disagree and let the thread move on.

Good call, we'll agree to disagree. Good debate.:cheers:

[duke knooby]

Wow, can we be a little more negative!


if you want, but i dont get the whole american postivity bullshit, i prefer to stick to facts... (and opinions). my opinion.. they are doing a good job! i'm interested to see how the project goes!

It's hardly negative though, either. It's a realistic point of view. Too many opinions get written off around here as being negative when they aren't, though because they're not towing the party line, they are considered to be so.

ABSOLUTELY

Because its a message board and people are entitled to mention their own points of view publically, without having to constantly praise others before doing so. Praise for the sake of praise is meaningless.

ABSOLUTELY

"Praise for the sake of praise is meaningless."

Not to the person receiving the praise. And what happened to that old saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say..."

if youre just saying it to be positive, then it is worthless... if people only gave praise when they mean it and it was justified, things might progress quicker.. if you dont have anything nice to say... thats the stupidist most politically correct comment ever... luckily it isnt always like that in the real world!

[nikox1]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then. My personal opinion is that the post was not negative, but constructive in that it pointed out something that may not have been thought about which may have a detrimental effect on what people are trying to acheive here.

Again, let's agree to disagree and let the thread move on.

we made a new website to talk about the project!!, join up if you want to give advice? you are more than welcome.

[nikox1]

Hello everybody!! yes it is a thread. and you all have freedom of speach.
and you can all have your say? but if you go to the top of this thread it states its looking for people to sign up and help? now you may have all seen the website? the facebook campaign? the posters? so unless you have signed up? thats all you know about the campaign? you do not know whats going on behind the scenes? you do not know how much hard work is going into this?
you do not know the future plans? if you have a question or need to know something? just give me a pm? and i have no problem with people debating?
feel free, but how can people debate something that they know nothing about? the thread was opened up to encourage people to sign up? sign up and help the campaign, what is there to debate? if you want to help then sign up? if you dont? i cant see how its worth coming to this thread for?
im not being rude or anything, but it makes no sense?
thank you,,

[Rage Against]

if you want, but i dont get the whole american postivity bullshit, i prefer to stick to facts... (and opinions). my opinion.. they are doing a good job! i'm interested to see how the project goes!



ABSOLUTELY



ABSOLUTELY



if youre just saying it to be positive, then it is worthless... if people only gave praise when they mean it and it was justified, things might progress quicker.. if you dont have anything nice to say... thats the stupidist most politically correct comment ever... luckily it isnt always like that in the real world!


I'm extremely shocked you disagree with me.:shock:

As far as the American positivity bullshit, I think it's interesting you call it bullshit and then are positive about their efforts. I don't want us all to sit around a campfire, roast marshmallows and sing songs of eternal hope, but let's try to hand out some praise to these people for the efforts they're putting in. I don't know about you, but I know people who are constantly negative. Nothing positive ever passes their lips and those are the people that make life more taxing. And thanks for bringing nationality into it...

And I do live in the real world, hold on let me check, yup real world here. The real world would be a whole lot better if we could find something to say that isn't a jab or rip all the time. All I'm saying is, let's applaud them for their efforts instead of tearing them down (whether that's the purpose of the comment or not).

[Rage Against]

A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.

-- Winston Churchill

[duke knooby]

I'm extremely shocked you disagree with me.:shock:


always good to see sarcasm


As far as the American positivity bullshit, I think it's interesting you call it bullshit and then are positive about their efforts.

i think its interesting you confuse my thoughts on the project with my thoughts on american positivity bullshit

I don't want us all to sit around a campfire, roast marshmallows and sing songs of eternal hope, but let's try to hand out some praise to these people for the efforts they're putting in. I don't know about you, but I know people who are constantly negative. Nothing positive ever passes their lips and those are the people that make life more taxing. And thanks for bringing nationality into it...

yes, i find negative people a challenge to overcome, which makes life both better and more rewarding for everyone

yeah it was a bit unfair referencing americans on positivity... but im surprised you might take offence to the suggestion


And I do live in the real world, hold on let me check, yup real world here. The real world would be a whole lot better if we could find something to say that isn't a jab or rip all the time. All I'm saying is, let's applaud them for their efforts instead of tearing them down (whether that's the purpose of the comment or not).

pretty sure i did applaud there efforts and stated i was interested in the outcome.. i didnt tear them down!

and we're getting more off topic

[Dave]

I have been asked by nikox1 to remind everyone to stay on topic on this thread.

[R.]

This is a split from the original fan campaign thread. Please use this one for the "off-topic" discussion.

Thank you.

[batoutofhell]

I do not download singles.
I don't know how to. (may sound strange, but i've never had any interest in downloading singles).
I know how to go to HMV and buy singles.
If they want my money they are going to have to put something in the shop that I can buy.
They are not going to put something in the shop if I download a Meat Loaf song I already have to prove a point that I don't believe in.

Okay, speaking as a new poster, I probably shouldn't be getting in on this one. That said, nothing like diving in at the deep end of the pool! So... while it does dip, in my opinion, a little toward negative wording, the Mouse guy's got a valid point. What about the Meat fans who don't download singles and don't know how to? How can they help?

Frame it that way and you can more easily address the question, don't you agree? :O

[PanicLord]

Firstly can I just say I hope this campaign is a massive success, and I just love all the energy and passion and enthusiasm that is going into it. What a pity the record company doesn't have anyone as interested in music as you guys!

Can I just ask what the rationale was behind choosing Like A Rose? I know there was a vote and all, but I do have a slight concern that by choosing an explicit song, you might be limiting how successful the campaign could be - for example, Radio 2 is never going to play an explicit song.

As I say, I am not trying to criticise anything anyone is doing, as I think the idea and the execution to date is brilliant, just trying to get the reasoning behind the song choice clear in my head.

[CarylB]

Thanks :) We went with the popular vote. But radio can't play any of them (apart from LA) as singles haven't been released. We're working with "what is". Like A Rose has a broad appeal, and we want to appeal to the widest audience ie not Meat fans alone, but Jack Black fans, and all fans of good solid rock'n'roll to stand up and say "This is the kind of music we want, not bland pop" Hope this explains.

Caryl

[Evil One]

But radio can't play any of them (apart from LA) as singles haven't been released.
If it makes it into the top 10 then it will get played at least once on a Sunday. :twisted:

[nikox1]

If it makes it into the top 10 then it will get played at least once on a Sunday. :twisted:

good point,

[Evil One]

Twice actually. Once on the Radio 1 chart show and once on whatever the Pepsi Chart is called these days.

The iTunes Big Top 40 Show apparently.

[TheDoode]

This is the kind of music we want, not bland pop

My deja-vu sense is tingling...

Doode.

[nikox1]

Twice actually. Once on the Radio 1 chart show and once on whatever the Pepsi Chart is called these days.

The iTunes Big Top 40 Show apparently.

forgot about the pepsi? true

[The Flying Mouse]

but did you volunteer to be a part of the effort when they asked for your help?

:twisted: Sorry, i'm an active member of staff on this website, and devote a lot of my spare time to it.
What little time I have left between real life obligations, sleeping, and being on this forum, is the sad little remainder that i'm happy to call my life.
And sorry, at the end of the day you've got to have one so i'm not taking on any more staff duties at the moment :shrug:


I'm not now going to skewer them for what they've done.

Me neither.
I've just brought up two points that crossed my mind.
Posted in a clear, explanitary, and resectful way, you'd have to go quite a bit further to get into "skewering" country.


All they're asking you to do is join a group on Facebook,

Which I did yesterday (even though i'm not a big backer of this cause, support for Meat is support for Meat.Hard habit to break :shrug: )


promote the campaign

I'm busy.
See above.

and download the single.

No.
I haven't got the foggiest fecking clue how to dowload a song and put it on CD.


If you don't want to support Meat then why are you here?

OK laughing boy, now you've crossed the line.
I don't support Meat?
Have you checked the joined date on my profile?
Although, for the eight years i've been here i've only been a member of the forum staff who keep this forum going for the past six years.
I don't support Meat, but I sing his songs for a living, promote his new albums/singles at my gigs, and say nothing but positive things whenever people come over to talk to me about him?
No offence to the other trib guys here, but how many of them come to this site every day and spend the time to try and give something back?
I don't support Meat but i've been to every concert i've been able to, spend god knows how much on tickets, albums, merchandise?

If you want to get into a "who's the biggest fan" pissing contest, you've picked the wrong boy.
Don't you EVER dare to try that shit on with me again :angry:


And finally, it's not about teaching the record company a lesson.

Really?
I got that distinct impression.

This is about making Meat and HCTB a success regardless of our feelings on record company politics.

And also regardless of the fact that i've never liked a Meat Loaf album less (although some of the songs are growing on me), yet i've spent more on this album than any other album.
What does that tell you?



Let's stop picking at their efforts,

I haven't.


stomping on what they've done

I haven't.


give them a "Nice Job", "Damn Well Done"!!!!!!!

You usually say well done when you start seeing results.
Not before.


Support the effort...that's what fans do!


I've told you, just do not go there!





And there's being positive and being constructive. Mouse was being constructive IMO.

Thank you.

IMO, constructive criticism highlights the positive and negative while trying to affect change. IMO, that post was not trying to affect change.

If I was looking to make a change i'd say don't do it.
However, my ego isn't that big.
I merely brought up that, in all due respect, there was perhaps a down side to all of this.


And what happened to that old saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say..."

The forum was invented.
It's a place where subjects can be discussed on both positive and negative points :yep:

Hello everybody!! yes it is a thread. and you all have freedom of speach.
and you can all have your say?


*Checks the forum rule book - moderators copy*
Yes, that is quite correct, and thank you for your permission.



but if you go to the top of this thread it states its looking for people to sign up and help? now you may have all seen the website? the facebook campaign? the posters? so unless you have signed up? thats all you know about the campaign? you do not know whats going on behind the scenes? you do not know how much hard work is going into this?
you do not know the future plans? if you have a question or need to know something? just give me a pm? and i have no problem with people debating?
feel free, but how can people debate something that they know nothing about? the thread was opened up to encourage people to sign up? sign up and help the campaign, what is there to debate? if you want to help then sign up? if you dont? i cant see how its worth coming to this thread for?
im not being rude or anything, but it makes no sense?
thank you,,

If you are going to talk about this on an open forum it will be talked about.
People will ask questions, people will make comments.
Both positive, and negative.
You have got to expect that.

And nothing I have said has been really that negative.
Have I said the song is shit?
Have I said that this will not work?
Have I told everyone involved to go get a life?

No.
I've said none of these things.
I have said that I don't believe that this will teach the record company anything.

I've asked if the autographs are kosher.
Because if people are promised them and they don't turn up, that will hurt Meat's reputation.
I have experience in this area.

Is that so bad?



I don't know about you, but I know people who are constantly negative.


Then ignore those people.
I, on the other hand, am eternally positive about the Loaf.
I've spent a silly ammount of money on an album i'm not over the moon over because I will always support him.
He might not have hit the mark dead center with me this time, but if he does another album I have every faith in him.
Paying money for something you love is buying.
Paying over the odds for something you don't love is SUPPORTING.



Okay, speaking as a new poster, I probably shouldn't be getting in on this one. That said, nothing like diving in at the deep end of the pool! So... while it does dip, in my opinion, a little toward negative wording, the Mouse guy's got a valid point. What about the Meat fans who don't download singles and don't know how to? How can they help?

Frame it that way and you can more easily address the question, don't you agree? :O

Welcome to the forum, it's never too soon to jump into the debates :up:





On a final note, thanks to R for splitting this thread. :up:
I would have done that myself if i'd logged in earlier and seen what happened to this thread.

It was not my intention that the thread be trashed.
It is a thread of support and work, and even though I might not agree 100% in the resault of this, I can't disagree with the heartfelt effort people put into supporting Meat.
It is, however, a shame that all this can be put off kilter because of one less than gl;owiong post.
All I had stated was my own honest and respectfully posted opinions, and IMHO it is the rush to defend (defend?) against that opinion that resulted in the thread getting so messed up.


I've said it all along.
Let people have their say and their voice is heard once and is finished.
Confront that voice and quote it over and over again and the thread takes a whole different direction.

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: ~~~~~~ me, that's the longest post i've ever seen :shock:

[daveake]

Have I said the song is shit?
Have I said that this will not work?
Have I told everyone involved to go get a life?


Hmmm .... tempting .... ;-)

[The Flying Mouse]

Hmmm .... tempting .... ;-)

:twisted: Not at all Dave.
I respect that people are putting their hearts and their time into this.

Those were examples of insulting and disrespectful remarks.

I never said anything like that.
I don't believe anything like that.

So why were the comments so villified? :shrug:

[Rage Against]

:twisted: No offense here, but saying all this is a fantastic success, what is the record company going to learn?

That they can half ass the job and still come out with an unexpected hit?

All this so they can sit around patting themselves on the back for a job well done?
Because you can guarentee that the fans who do this won't get any credit for it.

I do not download singles.
I don't know how to. (may sound strange, but i've never had any interest in downloading singles).
I know how to go to HMV and buy singles.
If they want my money they are going to have to put something in the shop that I can buy.
They are not going to put something in the shop if I download a Meat Loaf song I already have to prove a point that I don't believe in.







Is this going to be an original hand signed autograph or will this be a printed one?
Because if you offer one thing and give another, you are going to have a lot of pissed off Meat Loaf fans knocking at your door.

Also note that if all this promotion is done for Meat, then it will be viewed by the layman to be in conjunction with Meat, and if people expect a Meat autograph, then it is Meat who it will reflect on if that is not what is delivered.


I quoted your post above and fail to see any support of the effort. If the support is their, requote the exact words and I'll discontinue with my opinion. Your post gives the impression of not supporting the effort. But why not support the effort if you're a fan of Meat? How about a "Hey good job on the website and materials, but here's a couple of observations..." I'm simply saying, if you were one of the people involved with this effort, wouldn't you like to hear some support. Why does it take me typing a reply and getting hammered in return, to get people to praise this group's efforts.

And your post starts of with "No offense". Humans tend to say that when they know they're about to cause offense.

[daveake]

:twisted: Not at all Dave.
I respect that people are putting their hearts and their time into this.

I meant it was tempting for me to say it :-); just injecting a little humour.

I think it's great that people are making these efforts though, for what it's worth, I don't happen to think they'll make sqrt(f-all) difference.

[A Slice Of English]

Of course; I just injecting a little humour :-)

I think it's great that people are making these efforts though, for what it's worth, I don't happen to think they'll make sqrt(f-all) difference.

Ditto, regrettably.

[daveake]

But why not support the effort if you're a fan of Meat?

Well, I won't be supporting it because I don't like the track. Sounds like a perfectly reasonable reason to me. I fail to see that there is a duty as a fan to support Meat unconditionally.

I support Meat by going to his concerts and buying his CDs and DVDs that I do like, but I do this because I like these things not for any other reason.

[The Flying Mouse]

I quoted your post above and fail to see any support of the effort. If the support is their, requote the exact words and I'll discontinue with my opinion. Your post gives the impression of not supporting the effort.

:twisted: So I got my point across then?
Because I don't particularly support this idea.

That is not to say that i've put the people involved down, or rubbished their efforts.

I do support Meat, and that is why I voiced the concern that if autographs were promised then they would be delivered.

Let me tell you a story here, you might see where i'm coming from.

When I was new to the net, I visited a fan site to a musical artist and entered a draw that this artist would themselves draw.
When I was notified that this person had picked my out of the hat I was over the moon.
I sent an e mail full of thanks and asking to pass on a message to this artist.
I also asked for an autograph.
I was told that would be no problem.

I waited impatiently for this parcel to arrive and when it did I was more than a little disapointed.
The prize was second hand, a bit on the scuffed side, and had the booklet missing.
The signed photo was straight off the printer and wasn't even a very good fake (printer lines all the way down, including through the printed sig).

AS that artist was supposed to do the draw themselves (and being new to the net, I had no reason to doubt this :shrug: :facepalm: ) I felt that this artist was involved and felt cheated and swindled.
This artists reputation suffered for quite a while with me.
Of course, this artist was nothing to do with that site, it was just a fan site, but I would hate seeing that happen en masse to a load of Meat Loaf fans who might well feel cheated and moreover, cheated by MEAT.

So, if you look hard enough, there is support for Meat right there by asking for confirmation that these autogtraphs are legit.


But why not support the effort if you're a fan of Meat?

Because I would like to see this work done by the lazy assholes who are paid to put this kind of effort into promoting Meat.

Because i'd like to see Meat's singles on store shelves again rather than the said lazy assholes thinking "we got Meat to number one last time by not releasing anything, it worked last time, let's do it again, hooray".

OK, i've joined the facebook group out of respect for the people who have gone to the trouble of putting this together, but I had a concern that I voiced.
Forums are good for that.



How about a "Hey good job on the website and materials, but here's a couple of observations..."

Look, I thought long and hard about the post.
I typed it, I read it through, I read it through again making sure that it was worded in a non offensive and respectful manner.
You want nuts and a flake too?

If it'll make everyone happy.........

Good job on the website and the materials :up:


wouldn't you like to hear some support.

I see they have lots of support.
I dare say the people doing this are not so insecure they need their collective bum licked every time somebody actually has something to say?



Why does it take me typing a reply and getting hammered in return, to get people to praise this group's efforts.


They have lots of praise.

The reason you got a hammering from me is because you insinuated that I don't support Meat.
IMHO that must be one of the worst insults you can give on this forum.
To go to a musicians forum, that you use free of charge, and insult the staff (who give their time free of charge for the love of it) like that is completly out of order.
I'd consider a banning for acting like that.
It's disgraceful.



And your post starts of with "No offense". Humans tend to say that when they know they're about to cause offense.

We also tend to say it when we are aware that what we say may cause offence, but it is not our objective to do so.

[Rage Against]

:twisted: So I got my point across then?
Because I don't particularly support this idea.

That is not to say that i've put the people involved down, or rubbished their efforts.

I do support Meat, and that is why I voiced the concern that if autographs were promised then they would be delivered.

Let me tell you a story here, you might see where i'm coming from.

When I was new to the net, I visited a fan site to a musical artist and entered a draw that this artist would themselves draw.
When I was notified that this person had picked my out of the hat I was over the moon.
I sent an e mail full of thanks and asking to pass on a message to this artist.
I also asked for an autograph.
I was told that would be no problem.

I waited impatiently for this parcel to arrive and when it did I was more than a little disapointed.
The prize was second hand, a bit on the scuffed side, and had the booklet missing.
The signed photo was straight off the printer and wasn't even a very good fake (printer lines all the way down, including through the printed sig).

AS that artist was supposed to do the draw themselves (and being new to the net, I had no reason to doubt this :shrug: :facepalm: ) I felt that this artist was involved and felt cheated and swindled.
This artists reputation suffered for quite a while with me.
Of course, this artist was nothing to do with that site, it was just a fan site, but I would hate seeing that happen en masse to a load of Meat Loaf fans who might well feel cheated and moreover, cheated by MEAT.

So, if you look hard enough, there is support for Meat right there by asking for confirmation that these autogtraphs are legit.




Because I would like to see this work done by the lazy assholes who are paid to put this kind of effort into promoting Meat.

Because i'd like to see Meat's singles on store shelves again rather than the said lazy assholes thinking "we got Meat to number one last time by not releasing anything, it worked last time, let's do it again, hooray".

OK, i've joined the facebook group out of respect for the people who have gone to the trouble of putting this together, but I had a concern that I voiced.
Forums are good for that.





Look, I thought long and hard about the post.
I typed it, I read it through, I read it through again making sure that it was worded in a non offensive and respectful manner.
You want nuts and a flake too?

If it'll make everyone happy.........

Good job on the website and the materials :up:




I see they have lots of support.
I dare say the people doing this are not so insecure they need their collective bum licked every time somebody actually has something to say?





They have lots of praise.

The reason you got a hammering from me is because you insinuated that I don't support Meat.
IMHO that must be one of the worst insults you can give on this forum.
To go to a musicians forum, that you use free of charge, and insult the staff (who give their time free of charge for the love of it) like that is completly out of order.
I'd consider a banning for acting like that.




We also tend to say it when we are aware that what we say may cause offence, but it is not our objective to do so.


Yet again you've proved my point. Ban away, if you can get banned for supporting the effort of the musician who the website is supposed to support. And for asking for the decency of support...from fans.

[CarylB]

I do support Meat, and that is why I voiced the concern that if autographs were promised then they would be delivered.


If I can just answer this point. We said signed. The website would make it plain that Meat had written a message and signed the original picture, and they could download a personal copy. There was never the intention to post out originals, not would that be promised. As it is we do not have this yet. What we offer is a picture of Meat as a thank you. He is aware of what we are doing, and we have had no complaints from those who have signed up and downloaded it. We will also be offering another picture to those who sign up to support the campaign. This is not on site yet.

Caryl

[The Flying Mouse]

Yet again you've proved my point. Ban away, if you can get banned for supporting the effort of the musician who the website is supposed to support. And for asking for the decency of support...from fans.


:twisted: No you can't get banned for supporting the artist the forum is dedicated to, but i'll be happy to send you off on holiday for having the bare faced cheeck to say the members of staff of this forum are not Meat Loaf fans.

[Rage Against]

:twisted: No you can't get banned for supporting the artist the forum is dedicated to, but i'll be happy to send you off on holiday for having the bare faced cheeck to say the members of staff of this forum are not Meat Loaf fans.

Went through my posts and don't see anywhere I said, "the members of staff of this forum are not Meat Loaf fans." I did say, "If you don't support, why are you here?"

[LucyK!]

Just reading this thread, I sincerely hope that this campaign isn't going to spilt the forum into two groups - those that do sign up and therefore are supportive of Meat, and those that don't and therefore aren't.

Whilst it's great to see fans coming together with a passion for a cause to support Meat, I think we have to remember that (as with anything) it might not be everyone's cup of tea. I know that the people involved in the campaign are not forcing people to join or putting pressure on people to support it, but the campaign is just hours old and already there's whiffs of people being accused of not being 'proper fans' for not being as openly supportive as others have been.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that as Meat fans we all support him in our own ways, and just because people will choose whether or not to join the campaign doesn't make them any more or less of a fan, and I hope that something that should bring fans together won't result in dividing them.

[daveake]

Indeed. Every time I see the phrase "proper fan" or "real fan" I wonder WTF one of those is.

[Rage Against]

I give up...:wall:

[duke knooby]

Indeed. Every time I see the phrase "proper fan" or "real fan" I wonder WTF one of those is.

what about air multiplier?? :-P

[A Slice Of English]

I have also declined to sign up to this campaign. This is not because I am not a Meat Loaf fan and not because I do not like the song. I do like the song, but I own it already on CD, deluxe version CD and LP, so no way in hell will I be downloading an inferior copy of the song on a specified date.

[A Slice Of English]

And before someone says I'm not supporting him, so why am I here: I have three copies of the album in various formats. That's plenty enough support from one fan thanks very much.

[TheDoode]

Some interesting points... some not >.<
I have resigned my original 'yes' from the 'creative team', so there may be a place for the taking? Which I guess is Caryl's call.
Personally I would love to see this come off, it's entirely possible, but I feel that the approach is WAY off from the general facebook/myspace/twitter demographic, unfortunately.

Doode.

[A Slice Of English]

I feel that the approach is WAY off from the general facebook/myspace/twitter demographic, unfortunately.

I agree with you mate.

[TheDoode]

It's sad, because fan campaigns have held water in the past, but they've always been done with an edge and general feeling of collective coolness. I've joined the facebook page, I've asked friends to join and consider downloading on the day, but honestly, take a look at the material and the incredibly tight deadline... I don't see non-Loaf fans being hooked by this. Which is a shame, because I know that people have been working hard on it. I just don't feel that those efforts have been focused in the right areas.

For the record, I HOPE it works!

Doode.

[Jayd]

Personally, I just applaud the effort of those doing this, and for 89p, I will purchase the track. I myself have 7 copies of HCTB, but 89p for a bit of support what members are doing here, is not going to bankrupt me.

Well done guys, hope you can pull it off.
:D

[Rage Against]

Personally, I just applaud the effort of those doing this, and for 89p, I will purchase the track. I myself have 7 copies of HCTB, but 89p for a bit of support what members are doing here, is not going to bankrupt me.

Well done guys, hope you can pull it off.
:D


Well said.

[duke knooby]

I know that people have been working hard on it. I just don't feel that those efforts have been focused in the right areas.

For the record, I HOPE it works!

Doode.

what do you suggest??

[duke knooby]

a completely random thought... but why is it important to get this into the charts???

[TheDoode]

what do you suggest??

My initial thoughts are posted in the other thread, but I don't think that it's a direction the group wanted to go in. Which is not a problem for me, but I think the result will suffer under the current direction.

Doode.

[snider22]

Ok, I have remained quite on this subject until now but I feel that there is to much misinformation floating around on here. We as a group the 10 or so of us that volunteered (myself included) to help came together and decided how we wanted to run this campaign. People tend to think that there is one person making all the decisions and that is not the case our group is a democracy and not a dictatorship. We are willing to listen to anyones ideas and others are welcome to volunteer and help out. But if all you want to do is criticize and bitch about the fact that you don't like the campaign then don't come on this thread and talk about.

We have chosen to conduct our campaign outside of the walls of MLUKFC simply because we anticipated the bitching, moaning, and complaining that would commence. If you don't want to help or support the campaign that is fine, but if your not going to be respectful and constructive, then shut the f*ck up about it.

To those who have helped and are supporting us I say thank you and we greatly appreciate all the help that we can get. We as a group firmly believe that we can and will pull this off.

[LisaT]

Personally, I just applaud the effort of those doing this, and for 89p, I will purchase the track. I myself have 7 copies of HCTB, but 89p for a bit of support what members are doing here, is not going to bankrupt me.

Well done guys, hope you can pull it off.
:D

Well said! The guys are doing a great thing. Maybe it will make a difference, maybe it won't. Either way, I'm willing to spend 89p in the hope that it does - without losing any sleep over it!

[Vickip]

To those who have helped and are supporting us I say thank you and we greatly appreciate all the help that we can get. We as a group firmly believe that we can and will pull this off.

I wish I could help more, but I really hope you can pull it off :-)
Have you figured out a way for us to download the song in the USA :??:
Vicki

[stretch37]

Thats exactly what i've been wanting to say as someone working my ass off for this cause, I find it annoying that there are a handful of people willing to sit there and bitch at us that we're doing it wrong, and it wont work.

And yet they are not putting in hours of work on their own and sending in their ideas ? People come on. Lets be positive and supportive or don't bother coming to this thread. This thread is slipping into the cliche bad habit of shitting all over what little positive energy exists. Positivity can be fragile especially when we are rushed for time and emotions run high. Constructive criticism is FINE, except when its at our crucial time of getting things done. At this point, I think it is safe to say that this thread was put up in hopes that you all would be supportive and help us keep going and pushing.

It can still become that.

Pretty please with a cherry on top? :??:


Ok, I have remained quite on this subject until now but I feel that there is to much misinformation floating around on here. We as a group the 10 or so of us that volunteered (myself included) to help came together and decided how we wanted to run this campaign. People tend to think that there is one person making all the decisions and that is not the case our group is a democracy and not a dictatorship. We are willing to listen to anyones ideas and others are welcome to volunteer and help out. But if all you want to do is criticize and bitch about the fact that you don't like the campaign then don't come on this thread and talk about.

We have chosen to conduct our campaign outside of the walls of MLUKFC simply because we anticipated the bitching, moaning, and complaining that would commence. If you don't want to help or support the campaign that is fine, but if your not going to be respectful and constructive, then shut the f*ck up about it.

To those who have helped and are supporting us I say thank you and we greatly appreciate all the help that we can get. We as a group firmly believe that we can and will pull this off.

[Pudding]

I think I've had a post removed :wtf: nevermind :roll:

But anyway, the fact that some 'proper' fans are putting the time, effort and money into a campaign to make Meat, the songwriters, the record company and anyone else involved in the album more money is fantastic :up:

However, any spare cash I have will go towards something a bit more worthwhile like Cancer Research (http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/) Saying that, if Meat and his record company were to donate all proceeds from a song to charity, then I'd download it 20 times not a problem.

But I agree with Duke Knooby - why is it important to get this into the charts???

[TheDoode]

Ok, I have remained quite on this subject until now but I feel that there is to much misinformation floating around on here. We as a group the 10 or so of us that volunteered (myself included) to help came together and decided how we wanted to run this campaign. People tend to think that there is one person making all the decisions and that is not the case our group is a democracy and not a dictatorship. We are willing to listen to anyones ideas and others are welcome to volunteer and help out. But if all you want to do is criticize and bitch about the fact that you don't like the campaign then don't come on this thread and talk about.

We have chosen to conduct our campaign outside of the walls of MLUKFC simply because we anticipated the bitching, moaning, and complaining that would commence. If you don't want to help or support the campaign that is fine, but if your not going to be respectful and constructive, then shut the f*ck up about it.

To those who have helped and are supporting us I say thank you and we greatly appreciate all the help that we can get. We as a group firmly believe that we can and will pull this off.

It isn't a democracy. And I have been 'dictated' to about this. Hence my withdrawal from the team.

Everyone here wants Meat to get to number one, and any campaign in his name to succeed, but I'm pretty sure that they also have concerns about that not happening without those responsible being... how should I put it... a little more flexible, and a little more in tune with what users of the sites that you're advertising on actually want. No-one wants to take away from the work that has been done. No-one wants to mock what people are doing, here.

Please don't tell anyone to "shut the f*ck up", because THAT is dissrespectful; disagreeing with with the direction of a fan campaign and offering actual input and agreeing to spread the word... is not.

I have tried to put what little time I have into this, but all I got was negative correspondence and a feeling of being controlled. I wans't happy about that. I left.

And now you're asking people not to discuss the campaign, in a thread that clearly says "discuss the campaign". Well, I don't buy it. Suggest you re-define your current definition of democracy.

Doode.

[A Slice Of English]

It isn't a democracy. And I have been 'dictated' to about this. Hence my withdrawal from the team.

Everyone here wants Meat to get to number one, and any campaign in his name to succeed, but I'm pretty sure that they also have concerns about that not happening without those responsible being... how should I put it... a little more flexible, and a little more in tune with what users of the sites that you're advertising on actually want. No-one wants to take away from the work that has been done. No-one wants to mock what people are doing, here.

Please don't tell anyone to "shut the f*ck up", because THAT is dissrespectful; disagreeing with with the direction of a fan campaign and offering actual input and agreeing to spread the word... is not.

I have tried to put what little time I have into this, but all I got was negative correspondence and a feeling of being controlled. I wans't happy about that. I left.

And now you're asking people not to discuss the campaign, in a thread that clearly says "discuss the campaign". Well, I don't buy it. Suggest you re-define your current definition of democracy.

Doode.

Well said that man. Apparently a democracy is being forced not to say anything about the campaign unless it is positive, even if you don't feel that way about it.

[TheDoode]

Thanks, man.

There's a weird line on this site, and the balance is never right. When I first came here there was a mass of negativity, and I didn't see how it had got to that point at the time (but that's another issue). On the opposite side there are those who blindly follow, and praise, and sugar coat every little thing - even when it clearly isn't true. At the moment, the latter are isolating the former, and also those who fall in between (who I like to think of as the majority).

Has my view on this changed since I first came here? Well, yeah. I see why there was a mass of negativity and, though I don't agree with it, I can easily see how it got there. From the outside looking in it was weird. From the inside seeing all, it is completely justified, and I apologise to some of those guys.

The fan campaign is a great thing. Hands down. I know that I want it to succeed, even if I don't agree with the direction that it's going in.

I hope this comes off, and the album gets a second lease of life on the back of the single.

Doode. :cool:

[melon]

Personally, I just applaud the effort of those doing this, and for 89p, I will purchase the track. I myself have 7 copies of HCTB, but 89p for a bit of support what members are doing here, is not going to bankrupt me.

Well done guys, hope you can pull it off.
:D

Thankyou Jayd :-)

[PanicLord]

But I agree with Duke Knooby - why is it important to get this into the charts???

From what I see, the idea is more about getting Meat exposure and creating awareness of the new material, and if the means to do this is by generating enough sales to get into the charts, then I think that's fair enough.

I don't speak for the campaign, and am not part of it due to time constraints, but I applaud their efforts none the less, and will happily contribute 89p to see if I can help make a difference - it's the least I can do, other than nothing.

[PanicLord]

I dare say the people doing this are not so insecure they need their collective bum licked every time somebody actually has something to say?


ROFL!!! :lol: Well, no, but then I hadn't realised that was on offer!

[AndrewG]

But I agree with Duke Knooby - why is it important to get this into the charts???

But I think that is also WHY it would be impossible to do a stunt like this as we for example had last year with Rage against the machine, there is no momentum or urgency now as that whole carry on was because of preventing X Factor reaching number 1.
Perhaps the lack of sales at this time of year may make it easier then at Christmas, I don't have a clue but still there is no particular contest, no reason really is there? :roll:

Come June 14th I think most people will be thinking about football instead.

Personally I think "Like a Rose" is one of the worst songs Meat has ever recorded. In my eyes and ears it is everything that classic Meat Loaf is not: short, a short title, a simple story (not told from the protagonist's point of view either), ridiculously simple lyrics, too loud and contributions from other artists for absolutely no reason other than the "cool" factor which again is not classic Meat Loaf. :(

Maybe trying to get Bat or AFL to chart at number 1 for Christmas is a more interesting project as long as profits go to charity.
The Facebook fan page (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meat-Loaf-Bat-Out-Of-Hell-For-Christmas-Number-1-2010/461485925044?ref=ts) already has over 2000 people "liking" it.

[loaferman61]

I think I've had a post removed :wtf: nevermind :roll:

But anyway, the fact that some 'proper' fans are putting the time, effort and money into a campaign to make Meat, the songwriters, the record company and anyone else involved in the album more money is fantastic :up:

However, any spare cash I have will go towards something a bit more worthwhile like Cancer Research (http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/) Saying that, if Meat and his record company were to donate all proceeds from a song to charity, then I'd download it 20 times not a problem.

But I agree with Duke Knooby - why is it important to get this into the charts???

I'm all for people doing whatever they want. I personally don't see what it is worth the long-time, dedicated members of this forum fighting over. Pudding is right, if I have already purchased the product I have supported it, why give people who are already wealthy beyond me more money? Just my opinion also. If this were to support a worthy charity or something I'd be more inclined to participate as it is giving toward something beyond people I have already enriched. It is the record company that has failed, not Meat and not us. Why reward them for botching the job by doing it for them? The sad thing to me though is the attitudes this has created. To each their own. If someone doesn't want to participate fine and they are entitled to their opinion. If someone wants to spend their last cent on it that is fine also. Why fight over it?

[Rage Against]

Is this a fan site?:?

[mtaylor315]

Just wanted to give my opinion on all of this.

I've so far tried to help in every way I can, whether that would be joining the Facebook page, adding the video & information to my Youtube account, or pledging to download the song.

My personal opinion is that this is a good idea. Positively, it may allow attention to be put on HCTB if the song is able to chart, thus reaching an larger audience which I feel the record company failed to reach during promotion of the album. Negatively, it may not chart. It may turn out to be a failure. But I feel that there's nothing to lose with giving this a go.

I know there is many who don't support this for one reason or another, and trust me that I do understand that. I just felt I had to leave a message here, as it seems as though a deep divide is surfacing on this website quickly, and despite people's differences in opinion, none of us here should allow the divide to occur, when all of us here are here for a single purpose : our liking/love for Meat's music.

By all means people should have opinions, I'm not saying people should refrain from that. However, I don't feel this issue is worth this forum being divided over. Debate by all means, I just hope that people can debate without any sort of disregard to another who differs in opinion.

I really sincerely hope that this fan campaign is a success. HCTB in my opinion deserves better than it has currently been treated too in the charts. I wish the fan campaign guys all the best in their efforts

All the best
Mike

[The Flying Mouse]

I meant it was tempting for me to say it :-); just injecting a little humour.


:twisted: When an opinion and a question meets so much hostility, humour has very little chance i'm afraid Dave :sad:


If I can just answer this point. We said signed. The website would make it plain that Meat had written a message and signed the original picture, and they could download a personal copy. There was never the intention to post out originals, not would that be promised. As it is we do not have this yet. What we offer is a picture of Meat as a thank you. He is aware of what we are doing, and we have had no complaints from those who have signed up and downloaded it. We will also be offering another picture to those who sign up to support the campaign. This is not on site yet.

Caryl

Thanks for the reply :up:

See folks?
That's all it takes.
I asked a question, I got an answer.
No nastiness or "negativity" needed.

Went through my posts and don't see anywhere I said, "the members of staff of this forum are not Meat Loaf fans." I did say, "If you don't support, why are you here?"

You insinuated that I do not support Meat Loaf.
That is plainly not true.
There is a nasty feel of "if you're not with us you're against us" brewing up, and it's not nice.



I have also declined to sign up to this campaign. This is not because I am not a Meat Loaf fan and not because I do not like the song. I do like the song, but I own it already on CD, deluxe version CD and LP, so no way in hell will I be downloading an inferior copy of the song on a specified date.

That's your choice.
It also happens to be mine.
I have no idea how to download a song from the net and put it on a CD, and I don't see why I should have to learn something I have no interest in so I can support a campaign that I believe will (if it's successful) lead away from physical releases in shops.

I've joined the facebook as a show of support, and I wish the campaigners well with their efforts, but that's as far as i'll go with it.

If the single was sold in the shops, even if it was just the one song on a CD for £2.99 or whatever, i'd buy it.
I'm not overkeen on the song, but i'd buy it in support Meat.
THat's my choice.

People who decide they already have the song three times and refuse to buy the single have every right to think like that, and although I would buy it, I wouldn't point the finger at people who wouldn't accusing them of not supporting Meat enough.

[R.]

Enough.