Guns N Roses and "technical difficulties"??

[AndrewG]

Sounds like the biggest mess of a show ever to me. Glad I didn't bother getting tickets for this tour. How to destroy a legacy eh? And to think Meat got so much stick for Newcastle. This is just soo disrespectful for the audience imo.
I'm pretty sure the bottle throwing would have stopped if Axl had continued with the song. He should have moved to the back of stage temporarily and let things settle and just rock imo. What a moron.

nxLUUQdqA0I

[melon]

Ha ha, and I was considering buying tickets for their show here in December..... this seals it, $147 ain't worth this

[AndrewG]

Ha ha, and I was considering buying tickets for their show here in December..... this seals it, $147 ain't worth this

Indeed.
Maybe some of the crowd were harsh but these are only plastic bottles really and I think they can expect that kind of behaviour after appearing on stage almost 2 hours too late. I mean come on, at 22.30 (when they apparently came on) it is time to start thinking about wrapping up a show really (for arena rock shows at least). No more Irish shows for GNR I reckon.

Think I would take my chances with a GNR Tribute show instead.

[24K]

Well i mentioned on here before we saw Axl in Newcastle a few years ago, he had 2 support acts, then waited and waited, and did not some on stage til 10.30 ! He did an hour and 30, had started to get the intro into Paradise City, and then cos 1 person threw a coin on the stage, he stormed off calling the audience c**ts ! So this doesn't surprise me ! A lot of people had to leave early any way cos he didn't come out til really late and people had taxis booked and trains to catch !

[AndrewG]

Well i mentioned on here before we saw Axl in Newcastle a few years ago, he had 2 support acts, then waited and waited, and did not some on stage til 10.30 ! He did an hour and 30, had started to get the intro into Paradise City, and then cos 1 person threw a coin on the stage, he stormed off calling the audience c**ts ! So this doesn't surprise me ! A lot of people had to leave early any way cos he didn't come out til really late and people had taxis booked and trains to catch !

That is mental.

The longest show I saw Meat do was in Glasgow 04. He had been ill so I think that was one of the reasons he came on a bit later around 20.30 (at least Kasim informed us of what was going on) and during the first few songs he let the band play longer than usual. It was sad to see some people having to leave around 11pm/before the end as they really had to go to get trains back into the centre but Meat gave an awesome performance despite the flu he had and was one of the best shows I've seen. The ebay story was fantastic and the performance of Bat at the end was monumental and I've never heard a better crowd reaction EVER. Meat always seems to find more energy towards the end. It just shows the difference in respect towards the audience to me in comparison to someone like Axl who doesn't seem to give a shit.

[Wario]

Id say people said the same about meat after Newcastle...

Thing is Meat was seriously Ill and had a valid excuse to stop the show.

They came on Late, what more were they to expect..

[allrevvedup]

Guns n roses came back on around 11.20 and continued til around 1 but this, unfortunately, is nothing new for Mr Rose. One of my friends that went to it said he left as soon as the lights came up when they left the stage.

I don't know what the big fuss about the current line up since ,as far as i know, Axl is the only original one there and that's of his own choosing.

Had it been the original line up i would've done anything to go and see them but right now it just looks and sounds like a tribute act.

[cujo]

I don't know what the big fuss about the current line up since ,as far as i know, Axl is the only original one there and that's of his own choosing.

Had it been the original line up i would've done anything to go and see them but right now it just looks and sounds like a tribute act.

Your right - its just Axl with a new band - and the reason for that is that all of the original band lost patience with Axl years ago. At Newcastle two years ago the first support act came onstage at 6.30 and did a 30 min slot, then another support act came on stage at 7.30 for 30 minutes, so at 8 the crew started getting the stage ready for Axl - so we were expecting them around 8.30 - to have to wait until 10.30 was just outrageous and i will never waste my money on them again - especially when he cut the show short as well.
He is an ar**hole who no longer deserves the adulation of fans.

[Sarge]

Axl should learn a lesson from Slash:

skmyac0CGPc

[Jayd]

Myself am not really into Guns & Roses, but at the end of the day, plastic bottles or not, bands should not be subject to missiles being thrown, if that was to happen at a Premier League football match, CCTV is used to find the culprit and they are banned for life from that stadium. Blame should be put at the morons throwing the bottles. :D

[AndyK]

Myself am not really into Guns & Roses, but at the end of the day, plastic bottles or not, bands should not be subject to missiles being thrown, if that was to happen at a Premier League football match, CCTV is used to find the culprit and they are banned for life from that stadium. Blame should be put at the morons throwing the bottles. :D

Exactly!

Meat refuses to play festivals in the UK now as a result of what happened ot him at Knebworth in 1985 and Reading a few years later.

[Jayd]

Just read that he actually did return and completed his set, finishing at 00:53 :shock:, so everyone got to see what they paid for. Also read, that Axl is know for being late on stage, so what did everyone expect, still no excuse for missile throwing. :D

[madagascar]

You're right Andy. It's easy to blame the artist and being out of context.:roll:

[AndyK]

In the Guns and Roses context I think that Axl and the band are to blame for disappointing their fans, but that's still no excuse for throwing things at the stage. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[madagascar]

Yeah but that's the point. You're talking about fans. Fans ougtha know his behaviour. He's been late since the late 80's and maybe his whole live.;)

[allrevvedup]

Also read, that Axl is know for being late on stage, so what did everyone expect, still no excuse for missile throwing. :D

That's not a reputation that an artist should have. I personally don't think Mr Rose cares enough about what he does anymore, at least that's the impression i get, and that he's just touring for the money off a name that used to mean something huge in the music business (Appetite for destruction is one of the best albums that I have ever heard)

I agree though that there's no excuse for anyone throwing things at a band, but there always going to be idiots that ruin it for others.

[AndrewG]

Of course people shouldn't be throwing things but at €70+ per ticket, having to wait around for 3 hour I can understand some out of a crowd of thousands will eventually lose it. Playing beyond midnight during a weekday is not acceptable imo, at least not when they start so late. A different story when the concert just lasts too long.

Before I read and saw all this I didn't know Axl Rose had a reputation for "always" being late. How and why should I know about that, if I just wanted to go to see the show? :roll: I would have been one of the people waiting around for hours wondering what the hell is going on. It's mighty embarrassing if you had invited others to come along too. Everyone involved, the backstage staff, promoters, security and people who work at the venue are all ready to put on a show. Then Axl Rose takes the piss. It's not right in my opinion.

[AndrewG]

Just read that he actually did return and completed his set, finishing at 00:53 :shock:, so everyone got to see what they paid for.
Not true, there were a hord of people who had left the O2 as the house lights had come on for 10 minutes around eleven. Seriously would you have stayed? I'm guessing I would have left too. When they found out the band had come back to the stage they weren't allowed back into the arena.

[AndrewG]

Exactly!

Meat refuses to play festivals in the UK now as a result of what happened ot him at Knebworth in 1985 and Reading a few years later.

Can Party in the Park not be classed as a festival then?

[AndyK]

Can Party in the Park not be classed as a festival then?

Not really. What was it, two/three songs? Set curtailed for TV broadcast purposes. It barely classes as a concert really does it?

[24K]

Of course people shouldn't be throwing things but at €70+ per ticket, having to wait around for 3 hour I can understand some out of a crowd of thousands will eventually lose it. Playing beyond midnight during a weekday is not acceptable imo, at least not when they start so late. A different story when the concert just lasts too long.

Before I read and saw all this I didn't know Axl Rose had a reputation for "always" being late. How and why should I know about that, if I just wanted to go to see the show? :roll: I would have been one of the people waiting around for hours wondering what the hell is going on. It's mighty embarrassing if you had invited others to come along too. Everyone involved, the backstage staff, promoters, security and people who work at the venue are all ready to put on a show. Then Axl Rose takes the piss. It's not right in my opinion.

Am in total agreement with you here !

[AndrewG]

Not really. What was it, two/three songs? Set curtailed for TV broadcast purposes. It barely classes as a concert really does it?

I don't know, I only know he played there but I agree if it's that short it doesn't count. I'm sure Warioloaf has exact setlist and running time details and why Masculine wasn't played.

[Evil One]

It was CHSIB, Anything For Love and BOOH. It was supposed to have been the first time Meat played Bat in its entirety on UK TV, but they ended up editing it. Obviuosly Wario may end up correcting me, because his collection and knowledge is far superior to everyone elses! :lol:

[Wario]

It was CHSIB, Anything For Love and BOOH. It was supposed to have been the first time Meat played Bat in its entirety on UK TV, but they ended up editing it. Obviuosly Wario may end up correcting me, because his collection and knowledge is far superior to everyone elses! :lol:

nah you're right. they cut off his mic. Not that they didnt cut it off during CHSIB numerous times. Its intro was so good, its a shame.

He also did Out in the Green festival in 1987 (where he performed One More Kiss)

[GDW]

I think poor old Axl's wheels have fallen off.:roll:

[duke knooby]

i wasn't at the show, so i really shouldn't comment, but in the first clip axl appeared to be unusually polite with his request, the crowd also seemed somewhat hostile by then lol.

there is no reason to throw stuff at the stage, and axl is well known for being rather difficult at the best of times, (though he might have been taking the piss alot this time)

on the bright side though, the belfast gigs looks to have been a good one :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbuSbr-M7q0

(though the clips aren't great quality)

[CarylB]

Yes, I have no idea whether he was late coming on stage and had given the audience anything to be hostile about, and yes, he has a reputation for being difficult and late starting (although presumably his fans know this .. you pays your money and takes your chance) .. but there's no excuse to throw stuff onto the stage.

Caryl

[jcmoorehead]

I've already said this on another forum I'm on but while I don't condone the throwing of things onto the stage at the same time I can see why the fans would be angry. The fans pay a lot of money to go and see a show and Axl consistantly treats them like dirt with his antics. Using 'Well he's got a history for it so people should know what to expect" isn't an excuse at all, if that's the case then change the start times to an hour later to accomadate for the arrival of both him and his rediculously large ego.

It's a shame because you have a guy who has a lot of talent, he's written some amazing songs and I'll admit Chinese Democracy was a great album but he's just a complete and utter idiot.

[The Flying Mouse]

Axl should learn a lesson from Slash:


:twisted: That's what you call a pro 8) :metal:
It's great how fast he picks up the song again.

Myself am not really into Guns & Roses, but at the end of the day, plastic bottles or not, bands should not be subject to missiles being thrown, if that was to happen at a Premier League football match, CCTV is used to find the culprit and they are banned for life from that stadium. Blame should be put at the morons throwing the bottles. :D

Quoted for truth.

In the Guns and Roses context I think that Axl and the band are to blame for disappointing their fans, but that's still no excuse for throwing things at the stage. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Agreed 100%


I agree though that there's no excuse for anyone throwing things at a band, but there always going to be idiots that ruin it for others.

Exactly.
How many bottles were thrown on the stage out of how many fans in the venue?
But everyone suffered because of the actions of the few.
Not rock n roll :down:




Of course people shouldn't be throwing things but at €70+ per ticket, having to wait around for 3 hour I can understand some out of a crowd of thousands will eventually lose it.

There's nothing wrong with losing it, just as long as losing it doesn't involve any violence.
And throwing stuff at people is violence in my book.



Before I read and saw all this I didn't know Axl Rose had a reputation for "always" being late. How and why should I know about that, if I just wanted to go to see the show?

I never knew this either (although i've listened to their music for years and Axl has something of a rep for being hard to work with).
Not everyone in the venue is a hardcore fan who knows the ways and habits of the band and lead singer, and you can't expect those people to understand when the concert is a couple of hours late starting.






Everyone involved, the backstage staff, promoters, security and people who work at the venue are all ready to put on a show. Then Axl Rose takes the piss. It's not right in my opinion.

Agreed.
I felt very sorry for the couple of poor sods who had to go out and address such a hostile crowd because of Axl's behavior.





Not true, there were a hord of people who had left the O2 as the house lights had come on for 10 minutes around eleven. Seriously would you have stayed? I'm guessing I would have left too. When they found out the band had come back to the stage they weren't allowed back into the arena.

I would have been out of there, and asking for a refund.

That's what the crowd should have done, because throwing stuff at the stage is not acceptable (unless it's Justin Bieber, in which case not throwing stuff is not acceptable).

Funny sort of world when JB is more of a trouper than Axl Rose :wtf: :nuts:

[Smithie]

What happened to GNR? Back in my school days, they were one of the coolest bands around.

[AndrewG]

Funny sort of world when JB is more of a trouper than Axl Rose :wtf: :nuts:

:lmao: indeed. Kudos to Bieber for being more rock n roll than Axl.

[mjbo]

Indeed.
Maybe some of the crowd were harsh but these are only plastic bottles really .

Yes but it is what these plastic bottles contained that would worry me - "unknown substances" according to the reports in the press. :shock:

[LucyK!]

I just think the whole thing is desperately sad to be honest. GnR were one of the biigest bands in the world, even if you're not a big fan there's very few people that don't know the songs and recognise the guitars, that logo is on band t-shirts everywhere you look...and yet they end up like this :? I think it's just so sad for the real die-hard fans who've followed them forever to have to watch them demise to this.

[Evil One]

He also did Out in the Green festival in 1987 (where he performed One More Kiss)
I think you might want to check your facts:

Blind Before I Stop
That :shit: song that no one likes
Rock 'N' Roll Mercenaries
You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth
Midnight At The Lost And Found
All Revved Up With No Place To Go
Bat Out Of Hell
Rock 'N' Roll Medley

[AndrewG]

I think you might want to check your facts:


Maybe he should check his vastly superior collection? :))

[Wario]

I think you might want to check your facts

Well i got OMK and Out in the green on the same day. mixed myself up.


That :shit: song that no one likes


:'(

Maybe he should check his vastly superior collection? :))

Indeed :))

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif

[Julie in the rv mirror]

Axl should learn a lesson from Slash:


Jeeze, that guy came out of nowhere! :shock: That's kind of scary! Slash hardly missed a beat, though. :cool:

I can understand the frustration of the crowd, but really- you waited all that time for the guy to come out, and then you're going to throw crap at him? I don't get that. Some people just don't know how to behave, I guess. :roll:

[duke knooby]

they even did a 10ish min november rain :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb38L5f79ow

better add a longer version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx40dRWRtjw

and some live and let die

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCbt06dRww&feature=channel

sweet child of mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gegrd-nqX2U&feature=channel

looks to me like it was a great gig

tis a shame the one the next night didnt go so well

and yes, the band line up is completely different, and different band members will change the dynamic of the performance, but as we've seen with the ever changing neverland express line up over the years... sometimes change is good


(and red ponies probably wouldn't like footage of this quality lol)

[jcmoorehead]

and yes, the band line up is completely different, and different band members will change the dynamic of the performance, but as we've seen with the ever changing neverland express line up over the years... sometimes change is good


Difference really is that Meat isn't changing the line up of the NLE pretty much every year hiring and firing whoever he feels like at the time. It also isn't really right calling them Guns N Roses when only one member of the core Guns N Roses remains. It'd be like seeing Metallica but only Lars was the original member, or seeing Pink Floyd with just Roger Waters and none of the other original band members.

As for the concerts themselves I'd imagine they are pretty good, like I said Axl is talented when he gets his act together and the backing musicians he has with him will be decent too but he has a huge attitude problem and he just winds up the fans. Again I'm not condoning what the audience did, they were angry but they should have just walked out and lodged a complaint but Axl brought it on himself.

[melon]

Am in total agreement with you here !

Me also

[A Slice Of English]

Guns N' Roses have acted like this from Day One. Whilst it may not be a reputation that any right-thinking band would want, the Guns have never exactly been "right-thinking" and Axl in particular is a volatile so and so who can get riled very easily. I would still love to see them live and would go to the show with a sleeping bag and camp bed so I can have a kip for a couple of hours between the warm-up and the main act.

The band is legendary, and I love all their stuff, including Chinese Democracy, which is a different sound but it's the voice that does it for me. Love that gravelly screech.

[A Slice Of English]

It also isn't really right calling them Guns N Roses when only one member of the core Guns N Roses remains.

Sugababes anyone? Santana anyone?

Seriously, the name is where the money is at. You can say they're not the Guns, but they are really, just in a different form.

[Steve6]

People threw plastic beer cups and bottles on stage, but there was actually urine in them. So can you blame Axl for walking off when you get that filth thrown at you?

Coming on that late you're only asking for trouble. I'm sure they won't do it again after that shambles.

[A Slice Of English]

People threw plastic beer cups and bottles on stage, but there was actually urine in them. So can you blame Axl for walking off when you get that filth thrown at you?

Coming on that late you're only asking for trouble. I'm sure they won't do it again after that shambles.

Happened before many, many times and they still come out late. People should go to the show expecting the late start, that way they won't be disappointed. Doesn't make the Guns right, by the way.

[AndyK]

Coming on that late you're only asking for trouble. I'm sure they won't do it again after that shambles.

Of course they will, because they don't show any respect for their audience. They did the same thing at both Reading and Leeds, festivals last weekend, resulting in them breaking the curfew and having the plug pulled on the sound.

Still doesn't excuse having bottles and cups of ~~~~ thrown at you though.

[Steve6]

Of course they will, because they don't show any respect for their audience. They did the same thing at both Reading and Leeds, festivals last weekend, resulting in them breaking the curfew and having the plug pulled on the sound.

Still doesn't excuse having bottles and cups of ~~~~ thrown at you though.

Axl gets away with to much..he should be forced to go on stage at the designated time. The promoters and management are at fault here because they don't seem to care when he goes on. Maybe they know he'll throw a temper tantrum if he doesn't get things his own way..but still they run the show so there's no excuse.

[A Slice Of English]

As long as people continue to book them, they will continue to come on when they feel like it. If people didn't book them any longer, it may force them to reevaluate things. But I doubt it.

[~Helen~]

People should go to the show expecting the late start, that way they won't be disappointed.

People keep saying this but until this week I never knew they were known for doing that. And if it wasn't for all these conversations on here I wouldn't have known last week wasn't a one-off either! I won't be the only one. And you'd STILL be disappointed they came on late if it meant you didn't actually see them because you had the last bus/train home to catch.

[A Slice Of English]

I would drive to be able to leave when I like. I appreciate not everyone can do that however. Like I said, it doesn't make it right.

[AndrewG]

and yes, the band line up is completely different, and different band members will change the dynamic of the performance, but as we've seen with the ever changing neverland express line up over the years... sometimes change is good

Without Slash forget the amazing guitar solos/riffs such as in Sweet Child and November Rain. The original GNR line up created the music they are famous for, that is different with the NLE, who have always mostly been a touring band.

People keep saying this but until this week I never knew they were known for doing that. And if it wasn't for all these conversations on here I wouldn't have known last week wasn't a one-off either! I won't be the only one. And you'd STILL be disappointed they came on late if it meant you didn't actually see them because you had the last bus/train home to catch.
My thoughts exactly. Out of 14.000 people there you can be guaranteed that at least thousands would be relying on other means of transport.

I would drive to be able to leave when I like. I appreciate not everyone can do that however. Like I said, it doesn't make it right.
Is there good parking near the O2 Dublin that you know of? Doubt they have space for 5000 cars. Not every venue is easily accessible with a car. Like with Meat Loaf in Wembley in London in Dec, I won't be driving. Meat finishing beyond midnight there and then would be bad for people trying to get home who are not staying in nearby hotels and lots of people know that (promoters / venue staff and Meat himself). If Wembley underground station was closed at the time the concert is finished there would be chaos.

Someone mentioned the lateness/carryon at the festivals at the weekend they played. Indeed if that hadn't happened this probably wouldn't have been such a big deal but with GNR already getting bad press and then yet again showing up late as if they don't give is shit is a bitter pill for people to swallow who had probably all bought their tickets before the previous incidents. At least that's the way I would have looked at it, rather than using it is as a template to think they will probably be starting when we need to think about leaving.

[jcmoorehead]

Could the venues not fine GNR for running over in a way to stop them from being late? I know a few venues are quite strict when it comes to timing, Dream Theater did a concert for their DVD Score in Radio City Music Hall and they ran over by a few minutes and it cost them thousands in extra fees.

[AndrewG]

Could the venues not fine GNR for running over in a way to stop them from being late? I know a few venues are quite strict when it comes to timing, Dream Theater did a concert for their DVD Score in Radio City Music Hall and they ran over by a few minutes and it cost them thousands in extra fees.

Yes I believe that happened to Springsteen at Glastonbury too but they eventually wavered the fine I believe. I think at Reading they cut the power so GNR had to stop anyway, so they probably weren't fined there. As for GNR at Dublin, I don't know but since they actually played their whole set I am guessing probably not. Curfews are usually only in place when it comes to outdoor/stadium gigs to prevent noise after a certain time.
Sounds like (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/7978738/Guns-N-Roses-forced-offstage.html) the people who left won't get their money back anyway.

[jcmoorehead]

From what I understand in RCMH it was to do with the unions or something, I guess it varies from venue to venue and city to city.

[A Slice Of English]

I've never had a problem parking anywhere I've been to see a concert. Maybe I'm lucky, who knows?

[jcmoorehead]

I've never had a problem parking anywhere I've been to see a concert. Maybe I'm lucky, who knows?

Depends on the venue and the area. It's not just parking up though it's also the risk of leaving your car. When me, my friend and his dad travelled to Manchester to see Bon Jovi at the City of Manchester stadium we parked up and the car got broken into.

Any gig I've been too i've always tried to get public transport or a taxi due to the risk of leaving my car and hassle of getting parked.

[duke knooby]

at least the gnr hype is working a treat... 3 pages of debate on this site alone, plus a great deal of media coverage... and they didn't even get credited with starting a riot this time lol

[~Helen~]

Depends on the venue and the area. It's not just parking up though it's also the risk of leaving your car. When me, my friend and his dad travelled to Manchester to see Bon Jovi at the City of Manchester stadium we parked up and the car got broken into.

Any gig I've been too i've always tried to get public transport or a taxi due to the risk of leaving my car and hassle of getting parked.

There's also the issue of the cost of parking, especially in city centres. I seem to recall parking in Wembly in 2007 cost £15 (though it may have been £10?) - and we couldn't even leave the car there past midnight. So that's something else to consider - as I seem to remember the car park I used for the London one in 2008 (was it excel arena?) also closed at midnight. Obviously that isn't always the case and parking has been free at some but generally especially if it's a city I'm unfamiliar with I find parking can often be a bit costly - and I am someone who prefers to go by car for the convenience!

[Pudding]

To be honest, if given the opportunity I'd throw something at Axl Rose, I've never liked the dude and he has the voice of an electric cheese grater

[Steve6]

at least the gnr hype is working a treat... 3 pages of debate on this site alone, plus a great deal of media coverage... and they didn't even get credited with starting a riot this time lol

There was another spread in the paper yesterday. Axl Rose punched MCD boss Denis Desmond after he stormed off the stage, because Axl tried to leave the venue completely. But when Desmond told him he was legally obliged to perform the whole show he made a go for him. Axl Rose is a real twit, and it would have been nice to see him sued for that behaviour.

No refund is going to be given to the fans that left either because GNR performed the show. I can't see them coming back here again.

[AndrewG]

I know there is a saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity" but it sounds to me that Axl genuinely doesn't give a shit. I read his blog on what happened at Reading and it simply puts me off seeing him as he doesn't seems to care where he is playing. Maybe it's part of the act but I don't buy it.

[AndrewG]

I can't see them coming back here again.

Indeed in which case the publicity doesn't help anyway.