There was an extended version of Everything is Permitted? [Archive]

Evil One

10 Sep 2010, 11:16

I've never been keen on this song. It doesn't fit well with the rest of Dead Ringer, like it was a remnant from something else and Jim had no other songs left. :twisted:

Steve6

10 Sep 2010, 15:57

I've never been keen on this song. It doesn't fit well with the rest of Dead Ringer, like it was a remnant from something else and Jim had no other songs left. :twisted:

Couldn't disagree more I think it's a great song. A nice soft ballad in my opinion. Good vocals too.

duke knooby

10 Sep 2010, 17:00

did the deadringer album ever have the name deadringer on the front cover???

Sarge

10 Sep 2010, 17:21

No, only the UK picture disc had "Dead Ringer" printed on it.

Steve6

10 Sep 2010, 18:02

I wonder why that was though? Maybe they were unsure of the album title when the artwork was being complete. :| Or maybe having Dead Ringer printed on the cover of the album would take away from the awesomeness of the picture.

Pudding

11 Sep 2010, 00:54

I don't like this song.

Steve6

11 Sep 2010, 01:45

I don't like this song.

You could probaly say it sounds nothing like a Steinman song alright.

24K

11 Sep 2010, 01:50

I actually really like this song, although i agree with Evil One i don't think it fits into the Dead Ringer album. But i am not too fussed about that.

Evil One

11 Sep 2010, 01:51

You can tell it is a Steinman song by the lyrics. They just aren't up to his usual standard.

24K

11 Sep 2010, 01:53

I think they are not the best he has done, but for me they were good enough.

Evil One

11 Sep 2010, 01:56

True. A nugget of gold is still better than a dollop of shit.

Pudding

11 Sep 2010, 02:04

You could probaly say it sounds nothing like a Steinman song alright.

I don't care if it sounds like a Steinman song or not, I just don't like it.

allrevvedup

11 Sep 2010, 02:06

am I missing something (probably you all say) or is there no difference in this version to the original?

either way it's not one of Steinman's best and at a guess I'd say they desperately needed a last song and this was it.

Evil One

11 Sep 2010, 02:08

Where exactly did Everything Is Permitted come from? Has anyone ever said? Is it another piece of Neverland or from something else?

Steve6

11 Sep 2010, 02:28

Where exactly did Everything Is Permitted come from? Has anyone ever said? Is it another piece of Neverland or from something else?

It's one of the songs that Jim never mentions or talks about, and a song that Meat never sings live. It's goes to show you they never valued the song much.

MeatGrl1

11 Sep 2010, 02:31

I listened to Dead Ringer the other day, not listened to it in like forever but will admit this isn't the greatest song in the world and I certainly don't need or desire more of it :shock: !! I think it's long enough as it is...

Pudding

11 Sep 2010, 03:02

It's one of the songs that Jim never mentions or talks about,

Unlike 99% of his other songs where he won't shut the f*ck up yapping about them :roll:

Wario

11 Sep 2010, 03:05

Unlike 99% of his other songs where he won't shut the f*ck up yapping about them :roll:

i know. Just read this great article in the Times with Jim talking about his inspiration for "It Just Won't Quit"

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif

Steve6

11 Sep 2010, 04:08

Wario

11 Sep 2010, 04:14

One thing you have to remember though... Jim didn't produce the Dead Ringer album, and we draw our conclusions on it's sound and quality to quickly. A lot of people might not have liked Everything is Permitted, but it could have sounded completely different if Jim had a produced it. Other producers can't take his songs to a whole level like he can. I'm sure he listened to it and said I would done it different. Jim's way is the best way. :yep:

In an interview or some source I pretty sure it said Jim arranged almost everything on the record and supplied the songs.....

It was meat's job to get the vocals down and guitars. Being as EIP had a low guitar mix, I think its safe to say its what Jim would have had in mind.

Pudding

11 Sep 2010, 06:38

A lot of people might not have liked Everything is Permitted, but it could have sounded completely different if Jim had a produced it.

There'd be the same lyrics and the notes would have been in the same order, no matter who produced it it would still be shit.

Wario

11 Sep 2010, 06:55

There'd be the same lyrics and the notes would have been in the same order, no matter who produced it it would still be shit.

its still more of a bat song then most of Bat 3. Thats a plus.

I like it.

Pudding

11 Sep 2010, 07:01

its still more of a bat song then most of Bat 3.

Like ten bells of shite it is.

Elijah's way

11 Sep 2010, 09:13

I love this song!!

Steve6

11 Sep 2010, 12:40

There'd be the same lyrics and the notes would have been in the same order, no matter who produced it it would still be shit.

I disagree with that Pudding. If Jim was in the studio he would have changed things he's done so in the past. But really the answer is "We will never know". I mean look at the difference between Bonnie Tylers TEOTH and Westlife's!!! He tweaks things you can't say he doesn't. He would have taken Everything is Permitted to a new level.

Evil One

11 Sep 2010, 12:50

But would it have been a higher or lower level? Look at Frying Pan on Bat 2 as an example.

Pudding

11 Sep 2010, 12:50

I disagree with that Pudding.

There's a shocker :roll:

I mean look at the difference between Bonnie Tylers TEOTH and Westlife's!!!

You can tell it's the same song though can't you? I mean the notes and the lyrics are EXACTLY the same even if the production is different.

I respect the fact that some people may like/dislike certain versions of songs and some people (like me in this instance) just doesn't like the song full stop. I don't like the song.

You can polish a turd as nice as you want, but it's still a turd.

Steve6

11 Sep 2010, 16:43

There's a shocker :roll:

You can tell it's the same song though can't you? I mean the notes and the lyrics are EXACTLY the same even if the production is different.

I respect the fact that some people may like/dislike certain versions of songs and some people (like me in this instance) just doesn't like the song full stop. I don't like the song.

You can polish a turd as nice as you want, but it's still a turd.

I still disgree. Look at Meat Loaf's version of "Forever Young" on CHSIB, it has a completely different sound to Bob Dylans version. I mean the only thing that's the same is the lyrics. If both songs were released into the charts at the same time, they would have faired out a hell of a lot differently.

Pudding

11 Sep 2010, 23:42

I still disgree.

Whatever fella :roll:

Steve6

12 Sep 2010, 01:02

Whatever fella :roll:

Thanks Pudding. I'm still convinced Jimmy could have given you a version of "Everything is Permitted" that you would have loved. Maybe he still will. ;-)

Pudding

12 Sep 2010, 01:08

I'm still convinced Jimmy could have given you a version of "Everything is Permitted" that you would have loved.

And I'm convinced that he wouldn't.