View Full Version : An Argument about you tube and Springsteen.
Fire Ball
23 Jan 2011, 21:58
I have gone thru almost 75% of Bruce on You tube . There is not a single shaky Phone video from a fan in the whole bunch. There are fades , close ups, some the tracks have been repaired. There some Live TV shows. NO SHAKY PHONE FAN VIDEOS. WHEN WE GET CAMERAS IN OCT FOR NEW ZEALAND and Aust. WE are playing the cup Final in Melbourne.
That tour will bring some songs HIAHB out . Still going to Keep the First 5 songs in the show the way we are now. Anyway, I will put up some of that live footage for all to see. That is what Bruce has done. Can't have all this bootleg shit good or bad. I am leaving certain ones up now but they will all come down. Shaky fan stuff NO. I'm moving to the Stones next .
Renegade Angel
23 Jan 2011, 22:04
What about old footage from previous tours? Its good for fans to see footage of things they might have missed in the past. Agreed some of the footage is so shacky and distorted that it is unwatchable but there are some gems from the past. Do u (meat) have any quality old footage you could share with us?
This is excellent meat. any footage from the 80s (preferably the blind before i stop tour or bad attitude tour) or 90s (the hudson theater with Jim) gonna get posted?
Fire Ball
23 Jan 2011, 22:13
I was just talking about future shows , where we have cameras. I have stuff but no time to ever go through it.
M
I have gone thru almost 75% of Bruce on You tube .
How did you manage to do that? When I search for "Bruce Springsteen" on YouTube, I get about 95.000 results. :??::D
I was just talking about future shows , where we have cameras. I have stuff but no time to ever go through it.
M
Ah. well that stuff that you have to go through could be a good retirement pension lol.
Hope this means a DVD that can be a successor to Live with the MSO.
unbekannt
23 Jan 2011, 22:18
Why do you have cameras there? Does it mean we can hope for a DVD? :D
Great to read you will put up some live material!
The Flying Mouse
23 Jan 2011, 22:22
I was just talking about future shows , where we have cameras. I have stuff but no time to ever go through it.
M
:twisted: If you need an assistant to sit and watch/listen to all the stuff in your secret vault to see what should and shouldn't be released, i'll be happy to submit my CV for the job :mrgreen:
Renegade Angel
23 Jan 2011, 22:23
I was just talking about future shows , where we have cameras. I have stuff but no time to ever go through it.
M
Id happily trawl through the old stuff for u, u must have some amazing footage.
Totally agree with u on the shaky phone footage. Looking forward to hearing some new songs.
Excellent .. thanks Meat :))
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a full DVD !!
:twisted: If you need an assistant to sit and watch/listen to all the stuff in your secret vault to see what should and shouldn't be released, i'll be happy to submit my CV for the job :mrgreen:
You're probably too late, I bet Wario has already applied for it. :devil:
The Flying Mouse
23 Jan 2011, 22:25
You're probably too late, I bet Wario has already applied for it. :devil:
:twisted: All that prime quality footage re edited, re cut (with plenty King Kong clips) and then mimed too :facepalm:
stretch37
23 Jan 2011, 22:26
I have gone thru almost 75% of Bruce on You tube . There is not a single shaky Phone video from a fan in the whole bunch. There are fades , close ups, some the tracks have been repaired. There some Live TV shows. NO SHAKY PHONE FAN VIDEOS. WHEN WE GET CAMERAS IN OCT FOR NEW ZEALAND and Aust. WE are playing the cup Final in Melbourne.
That tour will bring some songs HIAHB out . Still going to Keep the First 5 songs in the show the way we are now. Anyway, I will put up some of that live footage for all to see. That is what Bruce has done. Can't have all this bootleg shit good or bad. I am leaving certain ones up now but they will all come down. Shaky fan stuff NO. I'm moving to the Stones next .
That's great news!! I agree, I just saw a few videos from the RI show and you can barely hear your singing, it does nothing for you. And I could hear enough to figure out that 2 outta 3 was likely amazing. When I'm looking for recent live video from springsteen or bon jovi, i rarely see crap cellphone video. A lot of it is HD qualilty or professionally shot and probably uploaded by the band, and it makes them look fantastic. I think you definitely should think about controlling your web presence on youtube just like you've done on the new website and facebook. Theme it up and sculpt it to give off the impression you want it to in terms of live video performance.....which means we all get to watch HD video of the show :-) muahaha
:twisted: All that prime quality footage re edited, re cut (with plenty King Kong clips) and then mimed too :facepalm:
I'm sure it would be a bestseller. :))
In actuality and all seriousness, I could help meat with the stuff :))
I know alot about editing, masters, film production, and muti-camera synchronization.
I am willing to bet shows like Hudson and Rotterdam's multi camera set ups aren't fully edited together correctly. Only fully edited of the bunch is probably HCW which is on Classic Albums.
plus maybe mountains of shit we dont know exists.
The soundboards probably need some restoration, though.
It will be a dream way to spend a good month or two going through forty years of treasure.
God. I feel Horny just thinking about that
The Flying Mouse
23 Jan 2011, 22:35
God. Im horny just thinking about that.
:twisted: You just blew the deal :facepalm:
It would be interesting to see what would happen if Meat gave Chris some footage to clean up.
stretch37
23 Jan 2011, 22:38
God. I feel Horny just thinking about that
ROFL. Dude you are awesomely entertaining ;)
..But on the topic of Springsteen, im a big fan, and I've seen lots of cellphone video and crappy video of his last few tours. They must have taken them down?
God. Im horny just thinking about that.
I have to repeat: You need a girlfriend. :twisted:
Back to topic: I think it's cool that Meat is about to do what some people have suggested on here before. Removing videos from YouTube could be like shooting yourself in the foot as long as an official alternative isn't available, so providing decent videos is a good idea.
But on the topic of Springsteen, im a big fan, and I've seen lots of cellphone video and crappy video of his last few tours. They must have taken them down?
They haven't. It just depends on the way you do your search whether you get to see them or not.
stretch37
23 Jan 2011, 22:48
They haven't. It just depends on the way you do your search whether you get to see them or not.
Ah, yeah true, probably depends which filter you choose.
Regardless, Springsteen has some fantastic quality videos on youtube that offset the bad ones. So people will obviously choose the HD quality proshot videos over the bad ones...Which basically removes the need to weed through all the bad ones and delete them.
Anyway, I will put up some of that live footage for all to see. That is what Bruce has done. Can't have all this bootleg shit good or bad. I am leaving certain ones up now but they will all come down. Shaky fan stuff NO. I'm moving to the Stones next .
No argument from me Meat :-) And I'd love to watch what you put on the net.
Caryl
duke knooby
23 Jan 2011, 23:10
congrats OZ and NZ, looks like youre getting meat on tour around oct... and also sounds like youre gonna be the first to hear some of the new albums songs
duke knooby
23 Jan 2011, 23:14
on a slightly different note.. what's the issue with bootleg videos/fan recordings?
I have gone thru almost 75% of Bruce on You tube . There is not a single shaky Phone video from a fan in the whole bunch
Actually there are plenty. Just a few for your interest
w3-9QqferTY
-Bcde7XikFg
Anyway I must say it's great to hear you use the YouTube medium to promote yourself. YT has done a positively lot to/for the HC tour. OK it only works when the artist is actually good and that you have been throughout the tour. Even the shaky phone vids couldn't make you look bad although I agree that they aren't really a plus.
I've mentioned 2007 a few times on this board and YouTube prooves that those days are in the past and that you rock again like it's 1999 :yay:
Especially for the people not living in the U.S. or the U.K. this is their oportunity to see how hard you worked to get back to the top of your performance. Really good news!
duke knooby
23 Jan 2011, 23:27
How did you manage to do that? When I search for "Bruce Springsteen" on YouTube, I get about 95.000 results. :??::D
i get 97000 for bruce springsteen
815000 for ac dc
315000 for bon jovi
435000 for rolling stones
736000 for u2
181000 for aerosmith
520000 for gun n roses
169000 for bryan adams
and 5,610 for meat loaf :shock:
and 5,600 for def leppard
Regardless, Springsteen has some fantastic quality videos on youtube that offset the bad ones. So people will obviously choose the HD quality proshot videos over the bad ones...Which basically removes the need to weed through all the bad ones and delete them.
There are way more Springsteen videos on YouTube than Meat Loaf videos. Even if Springsteen (or people working for him) had the time to have all the bad ones removed, hardly anyone would notice or care, I assume. If Meat really gets rid of all the inofficial videos, he will probably remove a huge part of the total number of Meat Loaf related videos. Furthermore, some people unfortunately live in a country in which the official videos are not available - I can't access most of Springsteen's official videos, for example, even most of the stuff on his own channel is blocked. :wall: If I want to see Bruce on YouTube, I depend on the numerous videos that have been uploaded by fans. YouTube is very popular though, you often stumble upon interesting artists accidentally there, so if Meat is going to replace "all this bootleg shit" by a few of his own videos, he should find a way to make sure that they are available and attract people in a similarly effective way.
Evil One
23 Jan 2011, 23:36
I have stuff but no time to ever go through it.If that stuff can potentially make you money, wouldn't it be worth making the time to go through it? :shrug:
and 5,610 for meat loaf :shock:
I'm afraid that proves my point. :? (... and that figure probably includes videos about the dish of the same name...)
Their used to be 6,040 Meat loaf videos. Just sayin'
Actually there are plenty. Just a few for your interest
And look how "many" :lol: clicks these got.
stretch37
24 Jan 2011, 00:37
ya i've noticed that way less people have uploaded video from this tour than previous ones...still there was quite a lot of it between the us and uk tour.
Between the two 2007 tours, Casa De Carne and HC Tour, there have been a ton of Meat Loaf related videos uploaded. Both live and studio. Most of it was deleted. So it is safe to say that hundreds of users who would normally upload Meat Loaf stuff likely just dont bother anymore because they know it will be removed.
I'm glad most of it was removed. Meat doesn't need that stuff floating around the net because it does not give a good impression of him at his best. Plenty of the hang cool tour stuff did, and the really good stuff is still up there :)
Now that Meat's career has come full circle, and he is hugely on top of his game, he could start releasing some pro-shot stuff of Hell In A Handbasket Tour, then start to allow good quality fan-shot video to stay on the net because an HD alternative of the same songs/show exists....and start to rebuild his youtube presence that way. Perhaps with a new channel called Real Meat Loaf themed for HIAH ? :P :P
....and start to rebuild his youtube presence that way. Perhaps with a new channel called Real Meat Loaf themed for HIAH ? :P :P
If you'll hear someone scream then, it's me when I'm seeing another "this video contains content of ... not available in your country..." message. :bicker:
Paul Richardson
24 Jan 2011, 01:04
I'm glad most of it was removed. Meat doesn't need that stuff floating around the net because it does not give a good impression of him at his best.
I have to say I'd prefer if it was wasn't removed whether it gave a good impression or not.
Its kind of obvious when the recording is poor and when Meat is great and vice versa. I think most people are discerning enough to come to their own conclusions, and IMO its more important that Meat's stuff is just out there. All publicity is good publicity etc.
Meat is what he is, and he should be proud of that, rather than take down stuff he doesn't like...
stretch37
24 Jan 2011, 01:13
I have to say I'd prefer if it was wasn't removed whether it gave a good impression or not.
Its kind of obvious when the recording is poor and when Meat is great and vice versa. I think most people are discerning enough to come to their own conclusions, and IMO its more important that Meat's stuff is just out there. All publicity is good publicity etc.
Meat is what he is, and he should be proud of that, rather than take down stuff he doesn't like...
Yeah you have a good point, but that's in a perfect world. Where most people think before making a judgement.
In hollywood, people are stupid and emphasize the stupidest shit. Therefore, to help them forget it, you removed bad stuff and wait awhile. And emphasize the good and great aspects of the person. If it was a bad few years, and it helps him get back in the game by removing emphasis from the quality of the performances, awesome. Paves the way for all of the focus to be on his latest work. Which to me is his best work. Meat's current work is the most interesting and exciting to me than anything he has ever done and i think there are many who will feel the same way.
duke knooby
24 Jan 2011, 01:22
I'm glad most of it was removed. Meat doesn't need that stuff floating around the net because it does not give a good impression of him at his best.
thats the bit that puzzles me about the bootleg videos, if youtube bootlegs are seen as potentially harmful to a performer, they must accept this is also a fantastic way to get fantastic performances to the masses, why the hell do they not maximise the exposure with some professional recordings uploaded?
and a crap recording is a crap recording, you cant get a bad impression of a performance from a crap recording
loaferman61
24 Jan 2011, 01:27
Actually there are plenty. Just a few for your interest
w3-9QqferTY
-Bcde7XikFg
Anyway I must say it's great to hear you use the YouTube medium to promote yourself. YT has done a positively lot to/for the HC tour. OK it only works when the artist is actually good and that you have been throughout the tour. Even the shaky phone vids couldn't make you look bad although I agree that they aren't really a plus.
I've mentioned 2007 a few times on this board and YouTube prooves that those days are in the past and that you rock again like it's 1999 :yay:
Especially for the people not living in the U.S. or the U.K. this is their oportunity to see how hard you worked to get back to the top of your performance. Really good news!
Absolutely correct. I can find plenty of anything on youtube, I really think the recent videos showed the world something. There was a lot of press about Meat's troubles and the media made it sound like he was done. The videos of the HCTB proved otherwise, Meat never tours near me anymore and the videos were a treat.
I have gone thru almost 75% of Bruce on You tube . There is not a single shaky Phone video from a fan in the whole bunch. There are fades , close ups, some the tracks have been repaired. There some Live TV shows. NO SHAKY PHONE FAN VIDEOS. WHEN WE GET CAMERAS IN OCT FOR NEW ZEALAND and Aust. WE are playing the cup Final in Melbourne.
That tour will bring some songs HIAHB out . Still going to Keep the First 5 songs in the show the way we are now. Anyway, I will put up some of that live footage for all to see. That is what Bruce has done. Can't have all this bootleg shit good or bad. I am leaving certain ones up now but they will all come down. Shaky fan stuff NO. I'm moving to the Stones next .
Just off topic for one second... Australia, I told you all he'd be coming.
Back on topic... That would be great Meat, I can't wait.
congrats OZ and NZ, looks like youre getting meat on tour around oct... and also sounds like youre gonna be the first to hear some of the new albums songs
Thanks Duke, also Meat, what Cup are you talking about in Melbourne.... AFL, NRL, Horse racing...... lol, I might make arrangements for flights & time off work :D
I have gone thru almost 75% of Bruce on You tube . There is not a single shaky Phone video from a fan in the whole bunch. There are fades , close ups, some the tracks have been repaired. There some Live TV shows. NO SHAKY PHONE FAN VIDEOS. WHEN WE GET CAMERAS IN OCT FOR NEW ZEALAND and Aust. WE are playing the cup Final in Melbourne.
That tour will bring some songs HIAHB out . Still going to Keep the First 5 songs in the show the way we are now. Anyway, I will put up some of that live footage for all to see. That is what Bruce has done. Can't have all this bootleg shit good or bad. I am leaving certain ones up now but they will all come down. Shaky fan stuff NO. I'm moving to the Stones next .
Thanks Meat, that's fantastic news. It sounds like it will be a wonderful tour and we get to hear the new songs and get a DVD made.
Carole
Please can we have Dates As Soon As Poss. Meat Please:D
Need time to save, book planes etc.!!!
Susan
X
Julie in the rv mirror
25 Jan 2011, 23:59
..But on the topic of Springsteen, im a big fan, and I've seen lots of cellphone video and crappy video of his last few tours. They must have taken them down?
As has been demonstrated, there are tons of crappy fan videos out there. But, there are also some very good ones- there are some talented "fans" out there who know what they are doing. ;) Some live stuff does get taken down, but usually it's official stuff, and mostly it's Sony's doing, AFAIK.
That said, if there's some rare or fantastic performance out there, I'm glad to be able to see it, in any quality.
and a crap recording is a crap recording, you cant get a bad impression of a performance from a crap recording
Absolutely agree- recording quality won't change a good performance into a bad one, and vice versa...
Thanks Duke, also Meat, what Cup are you talking about in Melbourne.... AFL, NRL, Horse racing...... lol, I might make arrangements for flights & time off work :D
Melbourne Cup is November, AFL GF is September... Unless there is some sort of soccer final? *still disbelieving
stretch37
26 Jan 2011, 06:31
Absolutely agree- recording quality won't change a good performance into a bad one, and vice versa...
I agree, recording quality wont change the performance into a bad one, or vice versa.
But a decent performance can sound like a terrible one when you hear it via a crap quality bootleg.
Julie in the rv mirror
26 Jan 2011, 09:05
But a decent performance can sound like a terrible one when you hear it via a crap quality bootleg.
No, it just sounds like a crappy bootleg ;) I honestly don't know why people bother to put up some of the stuff that they do. :shrug:
stretch37
26 Jan 2011, 09:10
No, it just sounds like a crappy bootleg ;) I honestly don't know why people bother to put up some of the stuff that they do. :shrug:
very true, as a fan that's exactly how i see it.
I just meant for the average person looking at the video, especially if they saw a bad performance in the last few years, and it gives off a bad vibe of his performance. I don't like that all the youtubes get removed either, but i think its best right now for him to mostly either have HD fan-made, or pro-shot material
Great news that you will be touring Australia and New Zealand !
glamourgirl
26 Jan 2011, 21:59
Great news that you will be touring Australia and New Zealand !
That is indeed awesome. I'm very happy for all the fans there. And a dvd that would feature songs from HCTB and also HIAH would be incredible.
I have gone thru almost 75% of Bruce on You tube .
OOh good, you'll have seen The Boss on stage doing the song from my sign then! :)) (Can't get that in enough to be honest! :lol: )
Seriously though I think it's a great idea, especially for those fans who aren't able to make the shows and rely on YouTube to experience it :up:
Seriously though I think it's a great idea, especially for those fans who aren't able to make the shows and rely on YouTube to experience it :up:
I totally agree. I had tickets and made my best attempt to see the show, but mine was canceled. It really would be nice to see what all the hubbub is all about over this tour in HD quality.
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