View Full Version : Was the 'Wetten, Dass?' performance mimed?
I've been wondering this forever ago 9 months. I love The Wetten Dass performance, but it just seems mimed to me, I dunno. The effect on Meat's vocals, the way the track just cuts in at the start, the moment where he almost came in early [1:34 - 1:38], and the pitching vocals of All of Me. I dunno, it just always seemed mimed to me i dunno why.
Was it mimed? I dont think I ever heard an official answer, or if there was I totally missed it.
EIther way its a great performance. I loveeeee how he sang the AFL chorus, that pitch in his voice was PERFECTTT
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It was live I thought...
Yeah it would seem like it, but the vocal effects that are remnant of the effects on the blue sky interlude on MMW make me think he sang it in a studio and mimed it to avoid another potential AFL fiasco in germany
duke knooby
12 Aug 2012, 02:04
im pretty sure meat answered this question before
Evil Ernie
12 Aug 2012, 02:49
It's possible that it was live pitch correction.
It's possible that it was live pitch correction.
I didn't even know that could be done :shock:
Talk about beating a dead horse ... Jeeze ...
Mr. Happy
12 Aug 2012, 10:44
...the effect on Meat's vocals...Was it mimed? I dont think I ever heard an official answer, or if there was I totally missed it.
What effect? There's a shit tonne of reverb, but that doesn't mean it's mimed. The only indication at all I could see that it might be mimed is that the studio bike from Anything From Love is overdubbed at the start of the song, while Paul adjusts his tuning at the same time (that's what it looks like, at least). But that could very easily have been overdubbed for exactly that reason, so he has time to adjust the tuning? I might be imagining it too, because you put the idea in my head, but it looks like he hits the opening chord of Anything for Love a split second before it actually starts. I don't know. Don't really care, to be honest, it was a great performance either way :D
Other than that, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be live, and that's hardly any reasoning at all. You're right on the vocals on Anything for Love, though. He nailed it :D
PanicLord
12 Aug 2012, 11:55
It was live ...
I agree - the vocals are different to the album version. Great performance throughout.
Talk about beating a dead horse ... Jeeze ...
:yep:
It was live ...
I absolutely agree :-)
I'm sure Meat said it was a live performance .. and that's good enough for me without analysing it to death by nanosecond. It was a GREAT performance which to me is what matters. And I've sat close enough to performances in the TV studio to hear that even on the odd occasion when Meat has been forced to use a recorded track, he doesn't "mime", but SINGS live anyway. Let's not disinter any more dead equines! :|
Caryl
It was pre-recorded. Not live, not the album version.
razorball2002
12 Aug 2012, 18:25
Wario: I am absolutely 100% sure it was mimed, and I think it is a shame it is posted as a "live" performance on the official ML site. All of Wetten Dass live performances are mimed, I have been watching the show for about 20 years now and havent seen one "live" performance on that show (also the 2 other times he played there were mimed, at one point on Not a dry house the CD skiped while he was miming!!). Just compare the "true real live" performances of ML from the past 2 years and compare them to what you are hearing on Wetten dass. I wouldn't be surprised they took some vocals from the next overdubbed live in Sydney DVD! Speaking of "fake" MLs live, the bonus live CD of HCTB is totally overdubbed vocal wise, I have heard bootlegs from that tour (Casa de Carne) and he was still recovering from the bat 3 tour. Even the Pavarotti and Friends performance was re-done in the studio (at least some parts of it), I saw the actual "real" performance airing live on TV, and he messed up a few notes on Back to Sorrento (but kept claiming in interviews that he sang better than Pavarotti... that was in my opinion lame, knowing that he had to re-do some parts in the studio!!). He is not the only artist who re-records or overdubbs his vocals on live cds dvds or tv performances, many do and I'm not criticizing him for that. If you want the truth, you got it. Wetten Dass is 100% mimed. But well mimed :-)
Talk about beating a dead horse ... Jeeze ...
:roll: Yes .. :roll:
Wario: I am absolutely 100% sure it was mimed, and I think it is a shame it is posted as a "live" performance on the official ML site. All of Wetten Dass live performances are mimed, I have been watching the show for about 20 years now and havent seen one "live" performance on that show (also the 2 other times he played there were mimed, at one point on Not a dry house the CD skiped while he was miming!!). Just compare the "true real live" performances of ML from the past 2 years and compare them to what you are hearing on Wetten dass. I wouldn't be surprised they took some vocals from the next overdubbed live in Sydney DVD! Speaking of "fake" MLs live, the bonus live CD of HCTB is totally overdubbed vocal wise, I have heard bootlegs from that tour (Casa de Carne) and he was still recovering from the bat 3 tour. Even the Pavarotti and Friends performance was re-done in the studio (at least some parts of it), I saw the actual "real" performance airing live on TV, and he messed up a few notes on Back to Sorrento (but kept claiming in interviews that he sang better than Pavarotti... that was in my opinion lame, knowing that he had to re-do some parts in the studio!!). He is not the only artist who re-records or overdubbs his vocals on live cds dvds or tv performances, many do and I'm not criticizing him for that. If you want the truth, you got it. Wetten Dass is 100% mimed. But well mimed :-)
Yeah that was my thinking. DOnt get me wrong I LOVE the produced live vocals ALOT. LOVE them. anyway to make meat sound even better is fine by me. I have heard some of those case boots. so glad they decided apon overdubbing them, they sound fantastic.
just cause im asking this doesnt mean its a negative. if thats meat actually singing live .... woah.
If Meat says he performed it live then I believe him.
Personally, it didn't matter to me on whether it was pre-recorded or not. I enjoyed the performance and it sounded great. That's enough for me. :D :D
If Meat says he performed it live then I believe him.
Personally, it didn't matter to me on whether it was pre-recorded or not. I enjoyed the performance and it sounded great. That's enough for me. :D :D
Where di he say this? Did i miss a post? someone please link a quote
Where di he say this? Did i miss a post? someone please link a quote
I might be mistaken but I thought something was said when this subject was first brought up a few months ago.
I might be mistaken but I thought something was said when this subject was first brought up a few months ago.
thats my point. I went through that thread. Nothing from meat about it being mimed or not
i wanna know where meat said it wasnt mimed, or we have a non horse beaten discussion still unresovled
thats my point. I went through that thread. Nothing from meat about it being mimed or not
i wanna know where meat said it wasnt mimed, or we have a non horse beaten discussion still unresovled
Well I DID say when you questioned me that I might be mistaken. If you've got the time to read through the whole thread and you couldn't find it then fair enough, I clearly WAS mistaken.
SnowRabbitmck
12 Aug 2012, 23:27
I believe it is a live performance.
duke knooby
12 Aug 2012, 23:33
I might be mistaken but I thought something was said when this subject was first brought up a few months ago.
he answered it in another thread... if i remember rightly, vocals were live, medely music was pre done... performance was done well :-)
Well I DID say when you questioned me that I might be mistaken. If you've got the time to read through the whole thread and you couldn't find it then fair enough, I clearly WAS mistaken.
I wasnt directing that at you ;)
I said I wasn't coming back here , But listen to the snare I am right with it.
I was not out of time between 1:48 and 2:10 If I was behind it was at
1:44 and was in right with snare at 1:48 . It was the 1st time I had every sung that song live. I did it once at 1 pm and the show 4:40. I sing Like I feel . The Choir hit "the high Liv'in Like I did before on 1 and so did i "My living was a little buried, then the freeze. The second verse I sang the 1st 3 lines then waited the 2 count for the next 3. It was a choice . 2nd verse I can sing every line together as long as there is a 2beat wait between one of them. I do not stay one beat behind . I am right with the snare. I did a really good TV performance and you are going to nick pick because because I may have been off 2 snare beats. Robb you are big fan and I love you but this why I don't come here Maybe I was 4 beats behind at one point "SO WHAT"
Over all, and people can't watch because Patti's not there . She had shows in Europe. Ricky Minors band is great ! The singers were great. Why can't you just enjoy and not count 4 beats . I was very happy with that show. I am still very weak after spending 4 days in a London Hospital , with severe food poisoning,
I more minute ,the audience on Loose women would had have something to really talk about. I can not deal with this kind off nit picking. Overall I thought it was great mix not as good as Germany. That was a stereo backing Track, easier to mix that a live band. I want be back , Thought I would give it one more shot ... but got bullets in my ass , I'm trying to get my confidence back up ... not have it torn down .. So go ahead and tear me down .. Now ,just stop calling it the Meat Loaf UK fan club, because it is not.
This time I will not be back for sure .
I believe this is the post that most people are referring too, as Weeten Daas was mentioned towards the end.
Does it really matter if it was mimed or not? I could care less, it was a good performance, at a time when one was needed, and it probably helped sell a few records along the way. I for one enjoyed the performance and have it on my phone so that I can listen to it regularly.
On a side note, I find it interesting that certain people are apparently employed by the Weeten Daas program and were also there mixing the board that night. Because that is the only way that said person could know with "100%" certainty that this, and every other Weeten Daas performance ever done was mimed. I just love when people present opinion as complete fact. Sure, some people probably do mime on the show, but I'm guessing many sing live. I for one believe Meat sang live that night, and I am perfectly content to believe that.
I have been to 4 different shows on this current tour, and I know first hand that he is perfectly capable of delivering a performance on par, if not better than that on Weeten Daas, despite what you and your many bootlegs may think.
I believe this is the post that most people are referring too, as Weeten Daas was mentioned towards the end.
Does it really matter if it was mimed or not? I could care less, it was a good performance, at a time when one was needed, and it probably helped sell a few records along the way. I for one enjoyed the performance and have it on my phone so that I can listen to it regularly.
On a side note, I find it interesting that certain people are apparently employed by the Weeten Daas program and were also there mixing the board that night. Because that is the only way that said person could know with "100%" certainty that this, and every other Weeten Daas performance ever done was mimed. I just love when people present opinion as complete fact. Sure, some people probably do mime on the show, but I'm guessing many sing live. I for one believe Meat sang live that night, and I am perfectly content to believe that.
I have been to 4 different shows on this current tour, and I know first hand that he is perfectly capable of delivering a performance on par, if not better than that on Weeten Daas, despite what you and your many bootlegs may think.
Ahhhh overlooked that. so it was a stereo backing track! cool
Monstro
13 Aug 2012, 02:41
Dying to say "who gives a shit it was a great performance" but will stay quiet lol
razorball2002
13 Aug 2012, 08:13
Yeah if i understand it correctly he is honest and admits it was a playback. Respect for that. To the other guy who says i cant judge if a performance is mimed or not and need to be at the mixing desk in order to do that, is this a joke? :-) seriously??
the wetten dass performance was incredible good. just wow. and i wanna say thank you very much to meat, because he came to germany for doing that. made me very happy :-)
I read it as a setup similar to the AFL. Band pre recorded while Meat and Patti sing live.
Razor ball, not joking at all. You are presenting an opinion as stone cold fact. If you had stated it as opinion then fair enough, but don't present it as fact
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razorball2002
13 Aug 2012, 15:16
I read it as a setup similar to the AFL. Band pre recorded while Meat and Patti sing live.
Razor ball, not joking at all. You are presenting an opinion as stone cold fact. If you had stated it as opinion then fair enough, but don't present it as fact
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Is this an order? OK General! :-)
No just kidding, I don't see why I should present it as an opinion (I think that etc...) when for a fact I know it. I havent been at the mixing desk, I have been watching the show for 20 years now, and EVERY artist was miming. Some do it well, some don't. Its like TOTP, artists HAVE to mime, they arent even allowed to sing live. On the contrary, on shows like Leno and the other guy I'm forgetting the name, they HAVE to sing live. Wetten Dass is always playback, and if you watch MLs lips closely during AFL, you'll see that you dont have to go through the university of sound engineers to post such a statement.
Dying to say "who gives a shit it was a great performance" but will stay quiet lol
I won't....I will say who gives a sh!t, it was a great performance. How ya like that with your morning coffee? :D
Sorry but you have no way of having 100 percent knowledge on the matter so that downgrades it from fact to opinion
Side note, I what ToTP?
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razorball2002
13 Aug 2012, 17:32
Sorry but you have no way of having 100 percent knowledge on the matter so that downgrades it from fact to opinion
Side note, I what ToTP?
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Top of the Pops, an english show where, like in Wetten Dass, they all mime. Even though there might be a few artists (but very few) who dont mime at TOTP. Wetten Dass, I havent seen a single artist not mime. Call it an opinion or a fact, I won't start a battle here over entertainment!
Sebastian.
13 Aug 2012, 19:46
I won't....I will say who gives a sh!t, it was a great performance. How ya like that with your morning coffee? :D
And the gif to go with it:
http://i.imgur.com/64EmN.gif
The Flying Mouse
13 Aug 2012, 20:08
Wario: I am absolutely 100% sure it was mimed
On a side note, I find it interesting that certain people are apparently employed by the Weeten Daas program and were also there mixing the board that night. Because that is the only way that said person could know with "100%" certainty that this, and every other Weeten Daas performance ever done was mimed. I just love when people present opinion as complete fact. Sure, some people probably do mime on the show, but I'm guessing many sing live. I for one believe Meat sang live that night, and I am perfectly content to believe that.
To the other guy who says i cant judge if a performance is mimed or not and need to be at the mixing desk in order to do that, is this a joke? :-) seriously??
Razor ball, not joking at all. You are presenting an opinion as stone cold fact. If you had stated it as opinion then fair enough, but don't present it as fact
Is this an order? OK General! :-)
No just kidding, I don't see why I should present it as an opinion (I think that etc...) when for a fact I know it. I havent been at the mixing desk, I have been watching the show for 20 years now, and EVERY artist was miming.
Sorry but you have no way of having 100 percent knowledge on the matter so that downgrades it from fact to opinion
Call it an opinion or a fact, I won't start a battle here over entertainment!
:twisted: It sometimes comes to a point on a forum where you have seen the same argument so many times you no longer need to post, just reference your past posts. :bleh:
Same argument, previous thread, still applies (http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=571616&postcount=261)
stretch37
13 Aug 2012, 20:37
....i was half hoping you'd have just shut down the thread
....i was half hoping you'd have just shut down the thread
why? its kind debate. this palce has been somewhat laking that lately with every post the last week or two being in offtopic or the drop/add song thread
Paul Richardson
13 Aug 2012, 23:37
....i was half hoping you'd have just shut down the thread
... and stifle an interesting debate ? Why ?
stretch37
13 Aug 2012, 23:49
... and stifle an interesting debate ? Why ?
As Mouse said its already heading down that path....I actually liked the convo to begin with, but it seems to be upsetting people.
Its interested me as well whether or not it was mimed, and will continue to do so forever unless we get answers :P But I'm trying to just not worry about it. It'll just upset Meat.
WHo cares? hats the reason its been dead here lately.
Paul Richardson
13 Aug 2012, 23:59
As Mouse said its already heading down that path ... I actually liked the convo to begin with, but it seems to be upsetting people.
Only to those of a sensitive / nervous disposition.
If Meat did mime, then I'm not going to think less of him, but I'm interested whether he did or not nonetheless - especially following the AFL final.
Wetten Das is known for having the artist playback their own songs. I don't even think Meat really had a choise. But if it's that sensitive to people, remember he did the live vocals for the recording they used. So basically it's a mime of his own live recording which means everybody is right :cool:
exactly, and notice how much similar took teh words sounds to the wetten performance from this promo clip:
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This isn't an interesting debate
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AndrewG
14 Aug 2012, 13:57
This isn't an interesting debate
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"Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."
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"Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."
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See ?... Now THERE'S something neato to debate... Let the games begin ... :twisted: ... hahaha ... xo
The Flying Mouse
14 Aug 2012, 14:39
:twisted: OK, enough with the thread crapping please.
Can we continue on topic rather than have the same old debate wether the topic should have brought up in the first place.
All this back and forth is getting us nowhere and will get the thread locked, and as that seems to happen a hell of a lot to "unpopular" threads :bleh: , i'm feeling more inclined to get the rule book out and give away some free infractions rather than lock it.
If we thought that Wario had crossed the line we would have deleted the thread by now.
If you think something has crossed the line and dosn't belong on the forum, report it to us rather than debate it on the forum.
We will take it from there.
If a thread simply isn't to your taste, ignore it.
As for the subject itself, I agree that it's a great performance, so it doesn't matter a great deal to me if, and to what extent, it was mimed.
I know some TV shows have a lot (if not all) of their musical guests mime, but we've heard what Meat has said, and i'm happy to take him at his word.
After all, he was there :shrug:
Plus being the last show, i've a feeling they'd want to do something special, and they certainly got it 8)
duke knooby
14 Aug 2012, 14:42
free infractions... cool
the only thing that bothers me is the use of the word mime :twisted:
i much prefer lip synched lol
The Flying Mouse
14 Aug 2012, 14:53
the only thing that bothers me is the use of the word mime :twisted:
i much prefer lip synched lol
:twisted: Really?
Are they not the same?
And if not, what's the difference?
Not being sarcastic BTW :wink:
I think it's interesting how people react to the two expressions, and why they think one is better than the other.
Is it that "lip syncing" sounds more proffessional, while "mime" makes you think of a guy with a white face and a berret locked in a glass box or walking against the wind? :lol:
duke knooby
14 Aug 2012, 15:22
while "mime" makes you think of a guy with a white face and a berret locked in a glass box or walking against the wind? :lol:
yes! :D
samurai7
28 Aug 2012, 16:27
Was this clip from the last time Meat did Wetten Das? Cos this one is lip-synched (quite well I thought) so maybe there's an answer here...
http://youtu.be/oYE5mteVAhY
nope, that's is from 2003.
Meat's last performance was a medley of songs (You Took the Words, All of me and Anything for Love)
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samurai7
28 Aug 2012, 19:49
Ok, but of a misunderstanding there. By 'last time' I guess I meant 'previous'. In English it sort of makes sense, as we'd say 'last time' for the appearance before, and 'this time' regarding the most recent, but I can see how it's easily misunderstood. I do know that this is from 2003 and that he's been on again since then (and personally think that was also lipsynched.) I was merely offering this video as evidence that Meat has lipsynched on the show before. Sorry for any confusion :)
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