Meat Loaf Live (at Wembley) is being rereleased...

[Evil One]

...on 12th August 2013 according to: http://www.cherryred.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=4268

or it can be ordered from Amazon here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Live-At-Wembley-Meatloaf/dp/B00DR2WDR6/ref=ntt_mus_ep_dpi_1

No mention of any remastering, so I doubt there's any reason to get excited. :roll:

[Paul Richardson]

You do wonder why now ? Surely everyone who could possibly want this album already has it ? While the vocals are stellar, the production is woeful, and other than the BOOH tracks its full of Meat's less successful (and imo inferior) 80's work. A career retrospective live album would be cool, and could include tracks from both subsequent BOOHs and Dead Ringer, but this is definitely not it - a missed opportunity ...

[wolfy35]

You do wonder why now ? Surely everyone who could possibly want this album already has it ? While the vocals are stellar, the production is woeful, and other than the BOOH tracks its full of Meat's less successful (and imo inferior) 80's work. A career retrospective live album would be cool, and could include tracks from both subsequent BOOHs and Dead Ringer, but this is definitely not it - a missed opportunity ...

Just because you may have it do not assume everyone who wants it has it.

When this was first released I went through many copies of it ( On original black plastic stuff that had grooves in no less ) and could not find a copy that played all the way through it always skipped in the same places every time to the point my local record store returned all their stock because they were all faulty. I did however keep the 12" single that came with it because that played flawlessly.

I have not yet found at either a reasonable price or distance a store that had a copy of this since it became in theory available on CD with the only local store that said they would try & get me a copy phoning me a few days later saying that although it was in theory available in practice no copies had ever been available via their supplier and it had since been delisted.

I do have a bootleg copy of this but it has always irked me that I had to resort to that so the chance to obtain a legitimate copy is welcome.

[Deena J]

I JUST bought this on cd and heard it for the 1st time in the last month. So I gotta agree, not everybody knew about it.

-shrug-

[Evil One]

the chance to obtain a legitimate copy is welcome.You can buy exactly the same CD from Amazon for £5.47:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Live-Meat-Loaf/dp/B00000G5WT/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1373981830&sr=8-3&keywords=meat+loaf+live

[Renegade Angel]

Contains the best live version of Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad. The guitar solo and meat vocals sound amazing.
It's actually not a bad album, not the best but still a good document of the meat loaf sound from that era. I had this on vinyl and played it so many times. I used to think that it was recorded at Wembley Stadium and used to imagine that it was an epic 'Wembley stadium type gig similar to Queen's gig there in 86 but was gutted to find out it was from the arena next door.

[Evil One]

It's actually not a bad album
Meat and the band are amazing but the production is poor. I would happily pay more than £7.03 for an improved version. Unfortunately this isn't an improved version. :roll:

[Paul Richardson]

I used to think that it was recorded at Wembley Stadium and used to imagine that it was an epic 'Wembley stadium type gig similar to Queen's gig there in 86 but was gutted to find out it was from the arena next door.

If memory serves me right then I think that was deliberately ambiguous - the album notes neither said Stadium or Arena - however it sounds like a big crowd (and outdoors to me) so very understandable !

[wolfy35]

Let us not forget that it has a live version of Masculine on.... That alone will keep Wario happy for months!

[Wario]

Let us not forget that it has a live version of Masculine on.... That alone will keep Wario happy for months!

its not that great of a version.

[AndrewG]

its not that great of a version.

:faint:

[Evil One]

It's the best version. Or it would be if the production was better. :bleh:

[Wario]

It's the best version. Or it would be if the production was better. :bleh:

I hate how the riff is shortened in the second verse. Spoiled by the birmingham 1988 bootleg I guess...


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[chairboys]

Contains the best live version of Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad. The guitar solo and meat vocals sound amazing.


Two correct sentences.

[Renegade Angel]

If memory serves me right then I think that was deliberately ambiguous - the album notes neither said Stadium or Arena - however it sounds like a big crowd (and outdoors to me) so very understandable !

I'm sure the vinyl version says Wembley stadium' but it's definitely the arena. Could Meat have filled Wembley stadium during the late 80s? He was playing very small venues but the show would have been amazing in bigger venues.

[Paul Richardson]

I'm sure the vinyl version says 'Wembley Stadium' but it's definitely the arena.

Just checking my CD version (which would've been bought in the mid nineties) it does say, "Recorded at Wembley Stadium, London, England, March 1 and 2 1987".

Looking at Adje's list of shows since 1977, those dates are listed as Wembley Arena.

Its a shame Meat never filled Wembley Stadium ... maybe there's still time for a one off final farewell show ?

[Wario]

Just checking my CD version (which would've been bought in the mid nineties) it does say, "Recorded at Wembley Stadium, London, England, March 1 and 2 1987".

Looking at Adje's list of shows since 1977, those dates are listed as Wembley Arena.

Its a shame Meat never filled Wembley Stadium ... maybe there's still time for a one off final farewell show ?

He did perform there tho for the Nelson Mandella thing in 1988:

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[AndyK]

He did perform there tho for the Nelson Mandella thing in 1988:


He only appeared on this one song and introduced another act, no real "Meat Loaf" performance as such.

[wolfy35]

Meat and the band are amazing but the production is poor. :roll:

I think to be fair before you pass judgement on this saying the production is poor maybe you should consider Meat's circumstances at the time.

This recording was made deep into the period that most of the US had shunned Meat due to his vocal & other problems he experienced after BOOH. This was a Meat simply trying to get himself back together & earn money to support his family & stay off the main record industry bosses who were firing off lawsuits against him.

For me the album is a winner, It is true that it has a raw edge to the production compared to newer recordings but if you compare it against other recordings of the same period the production values are "of the time" so I think it is unfair to demean the album as poor because of that.

Listen to it & accept it as what it is, an accurate recording that portrays Meat as he was then.

[Evil One]

I'm aware of Meat's circumstances at the time. In fact I believe this album was original conceived as a way to get Meat out of his contract with Arista. However that was 26 years ago. In those 26 years the album has been recycled over and over again and not once has anyone seen fit to tart up the audio.

[wolfy35]

In those 26 years the album has been recycled over and over again and not once has anyone seen fit to tart up the audio.

Have you ever considered that nobody has "tarted" up the audio because what was released may be the quality that the tracks were recorded in and Meat does not want to run the gauntlet of criticism he would be guaranteed to receive if someone played with the audio because it was not then a true representation of the concert(s) the tracks were from?

Would be nice to think that somewhere a better quality recording exists somewhere but I think if it did we would have had it by now.

I think Paul Crook's production thread gives a good insight into the way Meat likes his live recordings to appear & that is as true as possible to what was heard at the time.

[LucyK!]

"Tarting up the audio" doesn't mean it has to be less authentic than the original, just better quality sound - it's like originally buying films on VHS then buying the DVD, same great content just of a better quality.

I don't think anyone's suggesting changing the original material to make Meat sound any different, just improving the overall quality of the piece.

[Paul Richardson]

I'm aware of Meat's circumstances at the time. In fact I believe this album was original conceived as a way to get Meat out of his contract with Arista.

My understanding was that Meat and Jim were beginning to plan what would become Bat 2 and Arista weren't interested - they thought a Jim album would be too expensive - so this was a rushed album to fulfil Meat's contractual commitment for a three album deal.

[Evil One]

"Tarting up the audio" doesn't mean it has to be less authentic than the original, just better quality sound - it's like originally buying films on VHS then buying the DVD, same great content just of a better quality.

I don't think anyone's suggesting changing the original material to make Meat sound any different, just improving the overall quality of the piece.
This is exactly what I mean.

Have you ever considered that nobody has "tarted" up the audio because what was released may be the quality that the tracks were recorded in
No. Take a listen to this:
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That was recorded off the radio, onto a cassette and encoded into a 128kbps mp3 and it still sounds better than the official CD.

I think Paul Crook's production thread gives a good insight into the way Meat likes his live recordings to appear & that is as true as possible to what was heard at the time.Then you may be saddened to learn that there are studio vocal overdubs on these songs.

[Wario]

Then you may be saddened to learn that there are studio vocal overdubs on these songs.

Only backing vocals. All recordings from 1987 says that Meats vocals were untouched

[Dave]

I happen to really, really like how this CD sounds. Yes, I say CD because that is the only format I have heard it in. It is fun, unique versions of classics, and some songs rarely heard live nowadays. I appreciate the straightforward production that many here are criticizing. It is not one of my "go to" Meat Loaf albums, but I like it how it is.

[AndyK]

Only backing vocals. All recordings from 1987 says that Meats vocals were untouched

Trust me on this. There was a lot of re-recording and overdubs on a lot of parts on this. Vocals, instruments and backing vocals.

[mickp]

AndyK - you are right in what you say. That's why I much prefer the radio show versions as being raw performance sound. However, I don't dislike the CD - its a good record of a great tour

[Evil One]

Malcolm Dome supplies new liner notes for Live at Wembley, part of a generously-illustrated booklet filled with tour and album advertisements and images. Andy Pearce has remastered. As with the previous CD edition, Hear No Evil’s reissue includes the full original LP plus the 2-track EP bundled with it, of “Masculine” b/w the “Rock ‘n’ Roll Medley.” The original performances boasted much longer sets than the 75 minutes preserved on disc; the complete concerts as recorded by Fleetwood Mobile Recording and Meat Loaf’s co-producer Tom Edmonds remain unreleased.

Digitally remastered edition of this 1987 live album from the Rock icon. Recorded at London's Wembley Arena on 1st and 2nd March 1987 whilst on tour to support the previous year's Blind Before I Stop album, the set kicks off with that album's title track, followed by 'Rock 'n' Roll Mercenaries', featuring vocals from John Parr. Without doubt, Meat Loaf is best known for the epic Todd Rundgren produced, Jim Steinman penned Bat Out Of Hell opus. Live At Wembley reproduces no less than four of Bat Out of Hell's seven tracks, with storming renditions of 'You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth (Hot Summer Night)', 'Paradise By The Dashboard Light', 'Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad' and title track 'Bat Out Of Hell', captured in front of 10,000 adoring fans. The album was co-produced by Meat Loaf and finishes with a fan-pleasing 'Rock 'n' Roll Medley', comprising of 1950s standards 'Johnny B. Goode', 'Slow Down', 'Jailhouse Rock' and 'Blue Suede Shoes'. Tracks: Blind Before I Stop|Rock 'N' Roll Mercenaries|Took The Words|Midnight At The Lost And Found|Modern Girl|Paradise By The Dashboard Light|Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad|Bat Out Of Hell|Masculine|Rock 'N' Roll Medley

Has anyone actually bought this? The old CD is only 71 minutes long. :shrug:

[Evil One]

I believe I've answered my own question. Here's the back of the new CD. Track times are exactly the same. :roll:

http://www.freerecordshop.be/images/carrousel/fullsize/5013929912328_back.jpg

[chairboys]

It has received a positive review in the latest "Classic Rock" mag.
My first Meat gig captured forever.
It's hard to remember the minutiae, but I do recollect the audience starting to filter out believing the show was over and then return for a disco in the aisles as the NLE launched into the rock n roll medley.
Sublime.

[Evil One]

Even further research tells me that Andy Pearce was also involved with remastering the Welcome To The Neighbourhood special edition. :down:

[Wario]

Even further research tells me that Andy Pearce was also involved with remastering the Welcome To The Neighbourhood special edition. :down:

That SE was awesome! I bought this.

[Evil One]

The content was awesome. The production less awesome. The remastering non-existent. The audio was exactly the same, just not quite as loud as on the original release.

[loaferman61]

I still remember having this on cassette I got as an import. Even then with no internet or even a magazine article, 25 plus years ago, I knew the crowd noise was horribly dubbed in, and I can remember catching several overdubs. Also more than once the extra long versions put me to sleep and I would be awakened when the walkman clicked. Especially on "Took the Words" with "baby,baby, baby, sweeeeeet bayaaaaaabee, oh baby yes ya did yes ya did" it worked better tham ambien.

[Wario]

The content was awesome. The production less awesome. The remastering non-existent. The audio was exactly the same, just not quite as loud as on the original release.

I found the dynamics much better, especially on rubber. I just recently got the physical two disk release of that. Dunno what you weren't hearing :shrug:

[Kev]

Just had my copy sent from Cooking Vinyl and spotted that Steinman gets a writers credit included with Modern Girl...

[PanicLord]

That SE was awesome! I bought this.



I agree - the sound quality was massively improved, especially when converting to MP3 and playing in the car.

[Evil One]

Just had my copy sent from Cooking Vinyl and spotted that Steinman gets a writers credit included with Modern Girl...Always good when people pay attention to detail at the job that they're ~~~~ing PAID to do. :wall:

[loaferman61]

Always good when people pay attention to detail at the job that they're ~~~~ing PAID to do. :wall:

They'd almost always get better results asking fans for detailed stuff.

[Evil One]

But that would go against the general rules of thumb for most businesses these days: employ a bunch of cretins, and any old tat will do. :roll:

[duke knooby]

*off topic alert*

is the welcome to the neighbourhood remaster worth getting over the standard version?

my standard version has got a little too scratched over the years, and it's such a good album

does it appear often in vinyl?

[Evil One]

It's good but it could have been better. To answer your question, yes it's better than the standard version.

[duke knooby]

danke

[Fire Ball]

I don't believe they have the right to release this CD , Lawyers are jumping on this now !! I hate this !!
M


...on 12th August 2013 according to: http://www.cherryred.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=4268

or it can be ordered from Amazon here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Live-At-Wembley-Meatloaf/dp/B00DR2WDR6/ref=ntt_mus_ep_dpi_1

No mention of any remastering, so I doubt there's any reason to get excited. :roll:

[CarylB]

I don't believe they have the right to release this CD , Lawyers are jumping on this now !! I hate this !!
M

Don't blame you! :(

[Evil One]

I don't believe they have the right to release this CD , Lawyers are jumping on this now !! I hate this !!
M
So what is the possibility that we get a revamped version of this CD? I assume the original recordings still exist somewhere. :twisted:

[loaferman61]

I don't believe they have the right to release this CD , Lawyers are jumping on this now !! I hate this !!
M

Do you dislike the CD or is it more of a rights issue?

[loaferman61]

I don't believe they have the right to release this CD , Lawyers are jumping on this now !! I hate this !!
M

I guess if you want one you'd best buy it quickly then.

[Adje]

I guess if you want one you'd best buy it quickly then.

With some luck you actually have a Limited Edition CD :twisted: