Meat Loaf Has a change of Heart... [Archive]

CarylB

13 Sep 2015, 22:23

No its not. you guys ahd such a greta finale..... why ruin it?

If Meat does anything he does it in style and will be not just greta but great. Why one earth would you want to say this when so many fans want to see him again so much?

Nor do you know it's a tour .. it could be he is now feeling confident and is considering re-instating the London residency. What he has said is he's rethought and wants to come back .. no information on what that might be .. just that a door we thought was closed has opened, and as Chloe says .. would you turn down an opportunity if he did another tour in the USA after ext summer

Wario

13 Sep 2015, 23:32

Are you honestly saying that if Meat did a final tour in your country then came back for another you wouldn't be pleased or go to a show???

If it means being anticlimactic no. If I saw LAB in person I'd just be content

ChloeLee88

14 Sep 2015, 00:34

If it means being anticlimactic no. If I saw LAB in person I'd just be content

I personally don't think, for me, any Meat show would be anticlamatic! It will be a new, different show. For me the best show I have attended was the RAH concert, it was incredible....but it didn't make me think, 'Hey i'm not gonna watch another Meat show because it will be a let down in comparison!'

Whatever it is that Meat is bringing to the UK I'm sure it will be brilliant and I will certainly be there!!

CarylB

14 Sep 2015, 01:08

If it means being anticlimactic no. If I saw LAB in person I'd just be content

As Meat hasn't said what he might do, simply that he has reconsidered and will come back to the UK without giving any more detail at all, I think making a decision on whether it's anticlimactic is a bit premature

I personally don't think, for me, any Meat show would be anticlamactic! It will be a new, different show. For me the best show I have attended was the RAH concert, it was incredible....but it didn't make me think, 'Hey i'm not gonna watch another Meat show because it will be a let down in comparison!'

Exactly .. that show will remain in my memory as spellbinding, with an amazing atmosphere and one of the very best. Didn't impact on my enjoyment of any others I've seen since. Just as an actor might deliver a superb performance in a film .. and still go on to deliver many more performances that are memorable for different reasons

AndrewG

14 Sep 2015, 01:59

RAH was awesome. I doubt I will see Meat perform in there or a finer venue ever again. But I wouldn't let that fact put me off seeing him in say a cow barn either.

CarylB

14 Sep 2015, 03:35

RAH was awesome. I doubt I will see Meat perform in there or a finer venue ever again. But I wouldn't let that fact put me off seeing him in say a cow barn either.

Exactly!! As long as he wants to perform I'd want to see him .. because he wouldn't do it if he couldn't make it something great

lorenzoduke

14 Sep 2015, 04:22

Exactly!! As long as he wants to perform I'd want to see him .. because he wouldn't do it if he couldn't make it something great

Meat cares about not disappointing his fans to a fault, that's for sure. I was at the two Amsterdam shows he considers the worst of his career, and I was also at the incredible Sheffield LAB show. He is and probably always will be my favourite performer of all time, but it's a risk/reward scenario to me, especially without Patti spurring him on. I know 2 people who went to both LAB shows and the racecourse shows that loved the former and were very disappointed with the latter. I want the last time I see Meat to be a great memory. As it stands, it was.

CarylB

14 Sep 2015, 05:26

I went to one of the race course shows with some friends .. we all loved it. Went to Vegas twice .. loved every show. I have continued to build great memories :) He needed no spurring on as far as we were concerned, and he was backed by an incredible band and great singers. I think those who were disappointed with the race course shows were probably expecting Patti to be there and that lay at the root of their disappointment. My friends were not, and the people around me were in the main like many fans .. they had gone to see Meat, they saw him, they were delighted.

lorenzoduke

14 Sep 2015, 23:35

The only reason anyone would be disappointed that Patti wasn't there other than familiarity is if they felt her absence affected the quality of the show and of Meat's performance. Yes some people don't care and some believe that longterm members of the NLE are fantastic singers and musicians right up until the point they either leave or are ousted from the group, at which point their contribution suddenly becomes negligible, replaceable and not worth missing. I'm well aware of that viewpoint, and that to some Meat is the only person on the stage that matters. Its not a viewpoint I share.

And no, that was not the only factor I heard for people disliking the shows. I heard variously that the new singers were clearly under rehearsed, the song selection was a little disappointing, Meat's voice wasnt as good as on LAB and that a nasty, embittered speech was made that soured things. Personally having heard about that I'm glad that my last Meat Loaf show was LAB rather than that one.

CarylB

15 Sep 2015, 01:15

I didn't suggest Patti's or anyone else's contribution was negligible. For th race course shows the new singers had had limited rehearsal .. but I thought they were great, and Meat carried them through. I didn't her any embittered speech .. must have been at the one I missed .. and personally I loved the song selection, as did all those around me from the way they joined in and applauded. I do however go to see Meat Loaf .. so I can accommodate changes in the line-up behind him.

I saw Rocktellz & Coctails .. and that was brilliant in a different way to LAB. Looks as if Meat is aiming for March 2017 to return to UK and Europe .. I shall look forward to this .. and be getting myself there :D

Wario

15 Sep 2015, 01:34

anotherday

15 Sep 2015, 14:53

Ya no one really should ge upset at pattis loss She wasn't really a nessesary part of the band at all She was replaceable and we now got two great founding woman Patti is doing her own thing and I'm happy for her b...but looking at past posts of YOURS, you said Patti was a huge loss and other things in the same effect. So...what the hell man? I'm having a hard time figuring you out...

AndrewG

15 Sep 2015, 15:05

I'm having a hard time figuring you out...

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eltmatt

15 Sep 2015, 15:24

I was at LAB in Newcastle, doesnt mean by 2017 I won't be ready to enjoy a new show! Great news

CarylB

15 Sep 2015, 18:32

b...but looking at past posts of YOURS, you said Patti was a huge loss and other things in the same effect. So...what the hell man? I'm having a hard time figuring you out...

To quote Carroll

Speak roughly to your little boy,
And beat him when he sneezes:
He only does it to annoy,
Because he knows it teases.

;)

Wario

15 Sep 2015, 19:06

To quote Carroll

Speak roughly to your little boy,
And beat him when he sneezes:
He only does it to annoy,
Because he knows it teases.

;)

Actually Carly's kinda right I love Patti

But it came off a little harsher than intended aha

point is Im over the loss

loaferman61

15 Sep 2015, 19:22

Ya no one really should ge upset at pattis loss

She wasn't really a nessesary part of the band at all

She was replaceable and we now got two great founding woman

Patti is doing her own thing and I'm happy for her

I disagree to some degree. I can't really say what I want to here. But let's just say that by Meat's own statements he had numerous health and vocal issues during some of his tours. Who was there to step in and know exactly what to do depending upon the situation almost it seemed intuitively?

Yes I am sure the "replacements" are fine as were the Goffs and Pam Moore, etc. but Patti kicked it up a notch beyond.

A lot of Meat's interviews around the time she returned he said letting her go was a mistake.

CarylB

15 Sep 2015, 20:12

A lot of Meat's interviews around the time she returned he said letting her go was a mistake.

He said he took responsibility for agreeing to things the record company wanted, and he regretted that. I don't think he ever referred to "Letting her go" .. in fact I recall at the time Kasim wrote publicly that she had pulled out of the Bat 3 tour at short notice. She may well have felt she had good reason, but she was not "let go" but chose to leave.

As to her going the final and last time .. time to let that one lie I think. Yes. she made a splendid contribution when she was with Meat, and yes, vocally on stage she was a rock, and now Meat continues, backed by the splendid NLE

Adje

16 Sep 2015, 01:56

by Meat's own statements he had numerous health and vocal issues during some of his tours. Who was there to step in and know exactly what to do depending upon the situation almost it seemed intuitively?

Yes I am sure the "replacements" are fine as were the Goffs and Pam Moore, etc. but Patti kicked it up a notch beyond.

A lot of Meat's interviews around the time she returned he said letting her go was a mistake.

Yup, couldn't agree more. In fact I dare to say that:
A -I am happy that my last concert was with Patti. It was a perfect farewell!
B -I won't travel abroard for a Meat show anymore because Patti isn't part of the band anymore. For me she delivered at least 30% of the entertainment value and, for me, was always more than just a member of the suporting band.

I believe I compared her situation to that of Ricky Samboa and Bon Jovi a while back.

And although the following sounds like it, I mean no disrespect to Cian and co, but the Races and Vegas could have used a bit of Patti, from what I've seen and heard of it...

stretch37

16 Sep 2015, 02:45

Meat is a wonderful Man, and is a rock to many others. If he had a rock in Patti, and that situation is no longer in the same capacity, I am sure someone else will help fill that space. I think Paul already has for some time ;) Another wonderful guy, and their bromance is awesome.

Cheers guys and gals, lots of exciting things to come :-)

AndrewG

16 Sep 2015, 03:20

Yup, couldn't agree more. In fact I dare to say that:
A -I am happy that my last concert was with Patti. It was a perfect farewell!
B -I won't travel abroard for a Meat show anymore because Patti isn't part of the band anymore. For me she delivered at least 30% of the entertainment value and, for me, was always more than just a member of the suporting band.

I believe I compared her situation to that of Ricky Samboa and Bon Jovi a while back.

And although the following sounds like it, I mean no disrespect to Cian and co, but the Races and Vegas could have used a bit of Patti, from what I've seen and heard of it...

I definitely respect that point of view. Ironically I am glad I didn't see Patti on her own tour this year. Sure there is only so much you can gauge / judge from recordings but from what I saw it wasn't a patch on her April stint in 2014. The band members seemed inexperienced / too young compared to SAS and it showed in the quality of the music imo.

Guess we all have different expectations when going to a show. Although I was shocked Patti left the band in 2006 RAH was still fabulous without her. Two years ago I really wasn't sure I'd see Meat again without Patti. But I think I'd definitely go now if I get the chance. Life does go on with changes and sometimes a change isn't always a bad thing even if it takes a bit of a readjustment with expectations.

anotherday

16 Sep 2015, 04:42

I can't tell if you're joking around or insulting me here ??

AndrewG

16 Sep 2015, 11:25

I can't tell if you're joking around or insulting me here ??

Me?

Just a sarcastic remark about trying to figure Wario out going by his somewhat wacky post history, nothing insulting to either of you.

Apologies if you are offended.

loaferman61

16 Sep 2015, 16:29

Yup, couldn't agree more. In fact I dare to say that:
A -I am happy that my last concert was with Patti. It was a perfect farewell!
B -I won't travel abroard for a Meat show anymore because Patti isn't part of the band anymore. For me she delivered at least 30% of the entertainment value and, for me, was always more than just a member of the suporting band.

I believe I compared her situation to that of Ricky Samboa and Bon Jovi a while back.

And although the following sounds like it, I mean no disrespect to Cian and co, but the Races and Vegas could have used a bit of Patti, from what I've seen and heard of it...

She was absolutely much more than a "backing vocalist" and easily "replacing" what she did is seldom accomplished. For example I liked the others like Pam Moore but she did not do what Karla did and I think the same applies here and Patti was around much longer than Karla. I think your comparison to Richie Sambora is a good one.

I dug out several of Meat's quotes yesterday including that he did not blame her at all for leaving the Bat3 tour and why he didn't, but I weighed posting it and how certain people get and just let it go. I had other stuff about her return also.

I know some people just want this talk dropped and just say all is pretty much perfect, but since we are talking about an integral part of the shows for over 20 years and it will be something missed by many in the future the topic is valid I think.

anotherday

16 Sep 2015, 17:25

Me? Just a sarcastic remark about trying to figure Wario out going by his somewhat wacky post history, nothing insulting to either of you. Apologies if you are offended. LOL thanks Andrew. Much appreciated the laugh, honestly.

Wario

16 Sep 2015, 17:49

Me?

Just a sarcastic remark about trying to figure Wario out going by his somewhat wacky post history, nothing insulting to either of you.

Apologies if you are offended.

Ya noones offended I can take as much as I deal :))

Tina.K.

16 Sep 2015, 21:47

IMHO I think Patti is irreplaceable. Especially because of the chemistry Meat and Patti had. Their voices, their interaction matched perfectly. And not to forget Patti's professionalism and qualities to fill in the holes and errors Meat made more often the last years. She was helping him out like no other could.
Fair enough, she saved his ass many times the last decade she sang with him.

I don't think there will be anyone who can be a rock to him as she was.

The other singers, like the Goff sisters, sang with Meat when he was at his best. They did a good job, but didn't have to do the same Patti had to do, because of Meat's own qualities at that time when he was younger.

Anyway, if Meat comes to Europe and I get the chance to see him perform again, I would definitely go see him. I know his best years were in the past. I'll cherish those and listen to live concerts with Patti.
But life is short and I will always embrace and support the man and enjoy his music and the band, with or without Patti. That's my opinion of being a fan. We all know we cannot expect him to give the quality he gave us in the past, so with that in mind I know I will enjoy his performance. He still is there for his fans, I love that, so I'll be there for him.

faolteam

18 Sep 2015, 02:39

I disagree to some degree. I can't really say what I want to here. But let's just say that by Meat's own statements he had numerous health and vocal issues during some of his tours. Who was there to step in and know exactly what to do depending upon the situation almost it seemed intuitively?

Yes I am sure the "replacements" are fine as were the Goffs and Pam Moore, etc. but Patti kicked it up a notch beyond.

A lot of Meat's interviews around the time she returned he said letting her go was a mistake.

when he did 3 BATS LIVE without patti it wasn't the same and the press had a field day , Patti is an important part to be honest

CarylB

18 Sep 2015, 05:39

when he did 3 BATS LIVE without patti it wasn't the same and the press had a field day , Patti is an important part to be honest

I think as much as anything the press had a field day because Aspen looked so young at the first shows .. but as the tour progressed and she demonstrated her ability my recollection is that what negativity there was turned more towards Meat's voice as he was starting to really suffer with the vocal cyst issue .. and let's not forget that time and time again fans (for whom Meat does these shows) rave about how special, how memorable, how fantastic etc the RAH show was.

No-one surely is suggesting Patti wasn't a significant part of the performance. However the tense is past, she WAS an important part, so people might as well accept that. Meat has since had three very successful residencies in Vegas, fans in the USA are delighted about the autumn tour and begging him to come to this city and that and are excited about next summer, and here are clamouring for him to come back to the UK.