Comments :(

[White of High]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXTctzblzTo

[gigs89]

I had my comments deleted off the video. Thing is the video clearly has a ghost track, so denying it and insulting everybody that has commented is very unprofessional. Can't imagine another recording artist in the world doing this.

[ThatWriterGuy]

I had my comments deleted off the video. Thing is the video clearly has a ghost track, so denying it and insulting everybody that has commented is very unprofessional. Can't imagine another recording artist in the world doing this.

So, are you 'Mortal'?

No puns, please.

[White of High]

I don't know if it has ghost track in the back but Meat sounds much better than in the last years. It's far from good but far from bad also. ;)

[stretch37]

I had my comments deleted off the video. Thing is the video clearly has a ghost track, so denying it and insulting everybody that has commented is very unprofessional. Can't imagine another recording artist in the world doing this.

He definitely has his voice playing through speakers at that point...It sounds louder and stronger (and recorded) suddenly, and then goes back to his live voice. You can actually hear him singing along with it live, so its not just the track playing by itself. Sorry you had to get such flack for saying it. And know you what, I don't mind that he's using that a bit, even if it's to keep shows consistent if his voice varies! But yeah denying it seems goofy. Maybe it's the wording - is ghost track actually waht that is called? Maybe It's a misunderstanding somehow...;)

[ThatWriterGuy]

Got to a agree with Stretch - there are plenty of singers who use backing tracked vocals in sections for high harmonies or to keep pitch and fill out the sound. Blackie Lawless of W.A.S.P. springs to mind, and his vocals are generally fantastic. Def Leppard have been known to use tapes for harmonies, too.

[gigs89]

No i'm not mortal, luckily as he took the majority of the abuse! I agree that there is nothing wrong with playing audio over your singing at particular points in your concert, it didn't bother me when he did it on the first verse of took the Words on the Last at Bat tour, however it is inexcusable to go on the comments page of a clip of your concert and dish out abuse to your fans watching it. Even resorting to "daring" him to come back stage and say it to his face! Can you imagine Springsteen or Mick Jagger ever resorting to this kind of thing? Very quick way to lose fans and respect.

[AndrewG]

No i'm not mortal, luckily as he took the majority of the abuse! I agree that there is nothing wrong with playing audio over your singing at particular points in your concert, it didn't bother me when he did it on the first verse of took the Words on the Last at Bat tour, however it is inexcusable to go on the comments page of a clip of your concert and dish out abuse to your fans watching it. Even resorting to "daring" him to come back stage and say it to his face! Can you imagine Springsteen or Mick Jagger ever resorting to this kind of thing? Very quick way to lose fans and respect.

I had a run in with Meat in the past over something I wrote on another forum and it was not nice but I've gotten over that and Meat too and I will say this...

Never seen Springsteen personally use social media or respond on a fan forum before though. Don't know about Mick.

Sure you look at the bad side of his response there and it may be bad indeed (even though it seems resolved) but look at it this way: Meat has given us a lot of insight into what is going on etc and also been very humble and thanking people and his fans publicly and directly on this forum many times.

If people continually look at the bad sides of where Meat is at now (his performances, his music, his responses on the net) I absolutely don't see a point to being "a fan" any longer and indeed maybe it is best they take a hike. To me that is not disrespectful, it's just being realistic. Just move on. It's best for everyone surely. If people hang around (Which I do think some are doing whilst constantly thinking and responding in a negative way regardless of what is coming up next and how good it is) to me they are simply trolling, and that is indeed hurtful and annoying, so I can understand some of Meat's reaction there. Some of the Dutch forum I feel has turned into trolling now and it is not right when it carries Meat's name in my opinion.

[anotherday]

Meat has every right to say what he wants to say.

Just as WE all DO.

PLEASE stop lambasting the man over and over.

[ThatWriterGuy]

If people continually look at the bad sides of where Meat is at now (his performances, his music, his responses on the net) I absolutely don't see a point to being "a fan" any longer and indeed maybe it is best they take a hike. To me that is not disrespectful, it's just being realistic. Just move on. It's best for everyone surely. If people hang around (Which I do think some are doing whilst constantly thinking and responding in a negative way regardless of what is coming up next and how good it is) to me they are simply trolling, and that is indeed hurtful and annoying, so I can understand some of Meat's reaction there. Some of the Dutch forum I feel has turned into trolling now and it is not right when it carries Meat's name in my opinion.

I'll just say this: 'Balance', and leave it there.
Someone else can pull you up on the 'not a real fan/take a hike' thing later.

[gigs89]

You are incorrect. If Meat Loaf does a good show I praise him, if he releases a good album I praise him. I am a fan of his music and have spent considerable money seeing him live. But just because you are Meat Loaf doesn't mean you can call anybody whatever you like, offer them backstage in a threatening manner, tell them to go "twirl on a stick", call them "stupid", tell them to "go F*** themselves", call them a "coward". Considering everybody who was commenting was a fan who has spent money seeing him live and on his albums, its disgraceful.

Anotherday says Meat Loaf can say whatever he likes, but I ask you, if I or anyone else said any of the above things to you would you give such a laid back response or would you be furious?

I'll leave it at that before it all boils over.

[eltmatt]

He is 100% using a ghost track for parts, i dont think theres anything wrong with that at his age, and its great to see him sounding better each gig into the tour. His reaction and comments are outrageous, he needs to not respond.

[CarylB]

So much ...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/CarylBurton/000%20ODDS%20and%20SODS/poking_zpshjkyu2cv.jpg

And then people are indignant .....

[AndrewG]

You are incorrect.

How can I or anotherday be "incorrect" for posting our thoughts. Perhaps your responses are closer to those of Meat Loaf than you may wish to believe. ;)

[Adje]

Some of the Dutch forum I feel has turned into trolling now and it is not right when it carries Meat's name in my opinion.

Funny, when you were so upset about Meat you told those Dutch forum members how much of a 'suck-up' place this had become. Now you feel differently about things you're telling people here that it's becoming a trolling place over there.

Their opinions never changed and are still positive and negative depending on how they feel about issues. You were happy to write your own frustrations there because you wouldn't be judged. But now that many there disagree with your current opinion it's a hell-hole...

As for Meat's replies on YouTube. He shouldn't have written the comments the way he did. Of course it's great when an artist replies personally. But in cases like this Meat only seems to reply when he feels angered. And then his posts go beyond reason. Make hm come off like a madman.

With his succes he should be above it and (I said it before) get a better PR person to handle matters like this. Meat is way to emotional for it.

[ThatWriterGuy]

How can I or anotherday be "incorrect" for posting our thoughts. Perhaps your responses are closer to those of Meat Loaf than you may wish to believe. ;)

I think he meant the part where you tried to imply that he hasn't posted anything positive here before.

[AndrewG]

Funny, when you were so upset about Meat you told those Dutch forum members how much of a 'suck-up' place this had become. Now you feel differently about things you're telling people here that it's becoming a trolling place over there.

Where did I write that? I only posted I didn't want to discuss his voice here as I previously got attacked and that was 2 1/2 years ago. I also posted unfavourable reviews of HCTB, which I've done here too and that I was upset about Patti leaving the band, again I posted that here. But unlike yourself I got over that in time. And I see you easily also forget all the concert reviews I posted there including Manchester. You paint a very one sided picture of my posts over there. Thanks Adje. Great guy.
Regardless of things. Opinions can change. I never maintained a 100% negative record, I admit. Does this make you sad?


Their opinions never changed and are still positive and negative depending on how they feel about issues. You were happy to write your own frustrations there because you wouldn't be judged. But now that many there disagree with your current opinion it's a hell-hole...

The less people there are now, the less positive the opinions now are to the point it was only me being positive about the current tour. If that is the case why not close the site. Even the owner doesn't seem to give a shit anymore.
Making jokes he cannot half fill a stadium was something I never was involved in. Yes I do think that is OTT and disrespectful and quite far from the truth anyway. And yes I call that trolling because it seems people are taking enjoyment out of such posts with smiley faces. I just don't get why people repeatedly come back when EVERYTHING is supposed to be bad or negative.


As for Meat's replies on YouTube. He shouldn't have written the comments the way he did. Of course it's great when an artist replies personally. But in cases like this Meat only seems to reply when he feels angered. And then his posts go beyond reason. Make hm come off like a madman.

Yet you still follow this "madman" all the time regardless of the years of criticism you are partaking in.


With his succes he should be above it and (I said it before) get a better PR person to handle matters like this. Meat is way to emotional for it.

Maybe there is a beauty in it not being a PR person.

[Adje]

bla bla bla... You paint a very one sided picture of my posts over there. Thanks Adje. Great guy.


bla bla bla.. EVERYTHING is supposed to be bad or negative.
Talking about painting a one sided picture. And at least you can defend yourself here in oposite of the people on the Dutch forum you just insulted with your one sided view.



Yet you still follow this "madman" all the time regardless of the years of criticism you are partaking in.

Maybe there is a beauty in it not being a PR person.
I guess now all my comments have been negative over the last 5 years? I stated several times how, for example the Hang Cool tour brought back my joy in seeing Meat LIVE. How the Zwolle concert was a great closure after two terrible Dutch shows in Amsterdam and how I personally was happy seeing Meat in London. I believe I have been mainly very positive about that entire tour. Have I not? Didn't I advise the Dutch people to see Meat in Zwolle?

I aso stated how All of me reminded me of the CHSIB album and that I enjoyed HiaH (apart from some songs).

Those and many other reasons make me still follow Meat Loaf.

Now, that we resolved this let's go back to the 'madman' issue. If Meat gets angry and posts, many times he comes back to appologize about the way he said stuff. Because his emotions get the better of him. Often his angry posts are incoherent and not always filled with facts. It's one thing if a 'follower' posts stuff like that but in the case of an artist it can hurt him.

That is why it would be good if Meat has someone read his anger replies first before putting them on line, for the World to see.

[AndrewG]

I guess now all my comments have been negative over the last 5 years?

No I don't think they have all been negative at all. But I do think it is a bit sad there sometimes just seems to be a tendency to get enjoyment out of negative things. And this is not an attack, just an observation, and something I do think the Dutch forum is now doing. I have been involved in that in the past too I agree but come on only coming back to joke about bad things surely is a bit sadistic not? And when Meat has to read repeated negative things (R. once posted a compilation of criticisms which shone a different light on things) it kinda explains an explosive reaction.

Now, that we resolved this let's go back to the 'madman' issue. If Meat gets angry and posts, many times he comes back to appologize about the way he said stuff. Because his emotions get the better of him. Often his angry posts are incoherent and not always filled with facts. It's one this if a 'follower' posts stuff like that but in the case of an artist it can hurt him.

That is why it would be good if Meat has someone read his anger replies first before putting them on line, for the World to see.
It's a valid point but it is not going to happen I think.

[Adje]

No I don't think they have all been negative at all. But I do think it is a bit sad there sometimes just seems to be a tendency to get enjoyment out of negative things. And this is not an attack, just an observation, and something I do think the Dutch forum is now doing. I have been involved in that in the past too I agree but come on only coming back to joke about bad things surely is a bit sadistic not? And when Meat has to read repeated negative things (R. once posted a compilation of criticisms which shone a different light on things) it kinda explains an explosive reaction.
Andrew, you've been going to that Dutch board for many years. And you know as well as me that the jokes have always been there. You also know that a large amount of it is sarcasm and many of the people on that board use it in both ways. Either if it's positive or negative conserning Meat.

Your observation may be right that the board is less positive. But always based on something (they and I concern) valid.
They were positive on the LAB show and mixed about the last 2 albums. And always allow anyone to speak their mind without any form of censorship.

And, as we stated a few years back, with you in the conversation there, I believe, it's also easier for the Dutch board because they don't need to worry if Meat gets upset about anything written. For a while MLUKFC had people saying 'Don't say that, if Meat reads it he might not come back'.

You, more than anyone on this board, I believe, must know the difference between the British and Dutch culture when it comes to sarcasm, point straight and humor. And I think that the Dutch forum reflects that Dutch community very well on it's board.


*And Stretch, dude, stop likng both our posts! (just like mine :twisted: )

[stretch37]

*And Stretch, dude, stop likng both our posts! (just like mine :twisted: )

HAH! I wondered if anyone would notice that. Just trying to keep things light :-P

[Wario]

So much ...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/CarylBurton/000%20ODDS%20and%20SODS/poking_zpshjkyu2cv.jpg

And then people are indignant .....

Veyr evry true Caryl....

[ThatWriterGuy]

Veyr evry true Caryl....

Really? I thought it was more like people putting their hands over their ears and screaming 'nooooooooooooo' in the face of the truth.

I don't have a meme for that, but I'm sure if you Google it you'll find one.

[CarylB]

Thank you Warrio .. I just think as long as

Some exercise their right to continually find fault with most of what Meat does now, say what he should and shouldn't do, tell him how he should run the business he has managed rather successfully for over 3 decades, whether he should tour, what songs he should sing or release ..

Some artfully open doors for others to jump through ..

Some, despite claiming to be long term fans, still seem unable to see that Meat puts so much of himself into everything he does that he is unlikely to be able to separate criticism of his work from himself .. or that the passion he shows in and for everything he does means he will never "grow a thicker skin" or shrug off criticism that can hardly be viewed as constructive ..

Some who as Andrew says, seem now to continually look at the bad sides of where Meat is at now (his performances, his music, his responses on the net), yet continue to post in a fan forum dedicated to the man, or seek out bootleg recordings on YT to post harsh criticism ...

Then I am entitled to point out the bleeding obvious ... Don't act surprised when you poke the bear and it either reacts .. or stops visiting

[ThatWriterGuy]

What really amuses me are the people who say 'blah blah, you only focus on the negative things', and then compile a list of purely negative things about people who post on this forum, despite the numerous and recent positive posts they make, too.

You're going to have to deal with the fact that people will not be bullied - directly or indirectly, or even passive aggressively - into not stating their honest opinion. And again, as long as there's no ill will involved and it isn't malicious, it's a little immature to attack people just because you don't like or agree with their opinion.

[AndrewG]

What really amuses me are the people who say 'blah blah, you only focus on the negative things', and then compile a list of purely negative things about people who post on this forum, despite the numerous and recent positive posts they make, too.

You're going to have to deal with the fact that people will not be bullied - directly or indirectly, or even passive aggressively - into not stating their honest opinion. And again, as long as there's no ill will involved and it isn't malicious, it's a little immature to attack people just because you don't like or agree with their opinion.

I'm not and I don't think anyone else is bullying people into doing anything. Just trying to explain what the consequences can be. Post all kinds of criticism all you like, I personally won't lose much sleep over it, why anyone would want to do that I don't get. And don't be surprised if you repeatedly post negativism or exaggerate someone eventually will call you a pain in the ass (exactly what happened in the Youtube comments), or if the guy who owns and pays for this place to eventually shut you up, delete posts or lock a thread. Surely that is common sense. :roll:

[tonyloaf]

So who is looking forward to meats new album ???????

[Sebastian.]

Dear drunk me,

stay out of this thread.

Regards,

Sober me.

[CarylB]

I'm not and I don't think anyone else is bullying people into doing anything. Just trying to explain what the consequences can be. Post all kinds of criticism all you like, I personally won't lose much sleep over it, why anyone would want to do that I don't get. And don't be surprised if you repeatedly post negativism or exaggerate someone eventually will call you a pain in the ass (exactly what happened in the Youtube comments), or if the guy who owns and pays for this place to eventually shut you up, delete posts or lock a thread. Surely that is common sense. :roll:

Funny how to post anything that puts a different opinion to, or comments on, the repeated criticism is described as bullying ;)

So who is looking forward to meats new album ???????

From my one subscriber account .. me :D Despite the fact it's been delayed, may or may not have the tracks some want, may or not be released at a time or promoted in a way others might think could be bettered ;) I am looking forward to it hugely Tony .. and I'm really glad you're having such a grand time seeing so many great shows in the USA :D

[lorenzoduke]

Here we go again.

Honestly wish Meat would let his performances speak for himself and let the trolls be toxic air to themselves.

[ThatWriterGuy]

I'm not and I don't think anyone else is bullying people into doing anything. Just trying to explain what the consequences can be. Post all kinds of criticism all you like, I personally won't lose much sleep over it, why anyone would want to do that I don't get. And don't be surprised if you repeatedly post negativism or exaggerate someone eventually will call you a pain in the ass (exactly what happened in the Youtube comments), or if the guy who owns and pays for this place to eventually shut you up, delete posts or lock a thread. Surely that is common sense. :roll:

You know how you said 'hey, I don't do that at all? Well, you just went ahead and did it :roll:

[AndrewG]

You know how you said 'hey, I don't do that at all? Well, you just went ahead and did it :roll:

Pointing out the plain obvious is hardly bullying is it?
If I went to a party and slagged everyone off, their outfits, the music, the drink, the food, the people then obviously someone would chuck me the hell out of there regardless of how valid my opinions might be. Sure I can then call them bullies for throwing me out or all disagreeing with me but I doubt it will make much difference to the party I would no longer be part off.

[ThatWriterGuy]

Pointing out the plain obvious is hardly bullying is it?
If I went to a party and slagged everyone off, their outfits, the music, the drink, the food, the people then obviously someone would chuck me the hell out of there regardless of how valid my opinions might be. Sure I can then call them bullies for throwing me out or all disagreeing with me but I doubt it will make much difference to the party I would no longer be part off.

Again, that sound? That's the point flying right over your head. I'm not just going to keep on repeating the same thing over and over again - see my earlier post on opinions, respect, etc. or alternatively PM me, if you want to talk it out. I'm more than happy to talk to you, Andrew.

[White of High]

Meat has already deleted his comments. Does it mean anything?

[stretch37]

This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people...ETC :twisted: :-P

[stretch37]

One thing I have to agree with, when it comes to everyone's comments, good or bad, is that at the end of the day, your opinion does not define you as a person, nor does it define whether you are a fan of Meat Loaf. What has been said on here has been said with respect, and with honesty, and I think as fans of an evolving artist, it is what it is. Nobody should be looked down upon for being negative or positive. We can ALL be negative and positive at times, regardless of whether we think our **** smells like roses, if we are negative to those we think are being negative, then we in turn are being negative, etc!

Yes, the words we say do matter, and those who read them choose to react however they choose. But I think we can all graduate to a level where feeling disheartened by a performance by Meat doesn't make us a bad fan, or a bad person. Alternately, being excited by a performance we liked doesn't make us a brown noser. Each of us could end up in each other's shoes depending on how Meat sounds depending on his next tour, the shape of his voice, the performance effects, etc.....Let us give each other the same respect we would give ourselves if we honestly began to feel differently about a show. What if you were disappointed by a show, genuinely and surprisingly so? Or what if you were blown off your feet for the first time in a decade of his shows? etc...

By the way, Happy Halloween tomorrow if I'm not on by then :)

[gigs89]

There were no negative comments on that youtube video, nobody was insulting meat loaf in anyway, just simply discussing his use of a ghost track. He jumped in the conversation and started hurling horrific abuse around and denying that there was a ghost track at all. Its one thing for an artist to get tired of negative reviews, but to erupt with anger and deny something that is plainly there for all to hear is something totally different.

[stretch37]

There were no negative comments on that youtube video, nobody was insulting meat loaf in anyway, just simply discussing his use of a ghost track. He jumped in the conversation and started hurling horrific abuse around and denying that there was a ghost track at all. Its one thing for an artist to get tired of negative reviews, but to erupt with anger and deny something that is plainly there for all to hear is something totally different.

This is one area where I do have to be empathetic for Meat. He obviously has had enough people judging him and he snapped at the wrong person - Someone who said the wrong words on the wrong video and was just being observant. I could have easily been in the YouTube user's shoes. So, to that YouTube user, I would tell them to please not take it personally. As Caryl posted, poke a bear too many times....etc. Was it right for Meat to attack that person? In my opinion this is not black and white, so I refuse to answer that.

But did that person deserve it? No.

But we all make mistakes, and Meat had obviously been reading enough other criticism to react to a random YouTube comment so strongly. The lyrics to "All Of Me" come to mind. We all know Meat is very open with his emotions, and that is why we love him as well.

So If it were up to me, I would remember that Meat puts himself out there to thousands of people, bravely exposing himself to the world, flaws and all. And, like how I am sure I might react because he is a self-critical person already, he lashed out at the world for adding to that criticism - it becomes out of balance. He becomes upset, for not getting enough love, or positive encouragement. He needs that to continue to perform, and to feel good. Having said that, he also seems to, at times, thrive on criticism because it helps to motivate him to improve.

Fundamentally, I think this is the battle we are having on this thread now. To embrace the vibes of Love versus Criticism (or Fear). Hey, It's ok to emanate both. At the end of the day, we each choose how to feel and how to react, and nobody, not one person, is in the wrong to feel how they feel.

I hope we are all able to continue express ourselves despite our different feelings.

[Sebastian.]

I ~~~~ing love Meat. If people don't then ~~~~ them. He's my idol the and got me through some though times. He's still rocking for us and I love that. Bring on next Saturday. Soz sober me.

[Evil Ernie]

Meat has every right to say what he wants to say.

Just as WE all DO.

PLEASE stop lambasting the man over and over.

I appreciate what you're saying, but it seems to kind of a contradiction.

"You can say whatever you like and so can ML... but shut up!"

[proctorloaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr_EsmzDpOc
This video is better. I haven't bothered reading most of this thread but if Meat needs support now (not that I believe he does) but if he does, then he's just joining Cher, Dolly Parton, Celine, and all the others of his generation.

[ThatWriterGuy]

Funny how to post anything that puts a different opinion to, or comments on, the repeated criticism is described as bullying ;)

From that point of view: it's funny how to post anything that puts a different opinion to, or comments on, repeated praise over less than sensational performances is met with offensive behaviour and mass passive aggression.

There's a potential (POSITIVE!) solution to this, and once I get back (Halloween party) I'll have a discussion with R and see what can be done :-)

IN the meantime - HAPPY HALLOWE'EN!

[renegadeangel]

And on the plus side it was nice to see Meat back in form. I'm seeing him next week and looking forward to it.
As far as people making comments well all I can say is it is amazing how some can sit back and type rude and disrespectful comments aimed at any artist.
Never done it myself and never will. No matter who they are I have to respect the fact that they are willing to perform...

[CarylB]

Have a great time!!! :-)

[anotherday]

I appreciate what you're saying, but it seems to kind of a contradiction.

"You can say whatever you like and so can ML... but shut up!"

No, there is a CLEAR DIFFERENCE.

Saying what you want is FINE but FFS lambasting the man over and over again over POINTLESS shit is effing rude.

[Adje]

This is what I talk about. :(

TMZ had a run with the comments

http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/31/meat-loaf-fights-fans-youtube/

It's all over Twitter. Even a Dutch newssite made an article about it:

http://www.nu.nl/muziek/4155963/meat-loaf-verbaasd-kritiek-zangkwaliteiten.html

Although it resolved in a great manner, this doesn't help Meat, I think.

[Sebastian.]

Ah TMZ, scum of the earth.

[Evil Ernie]

No, there is a CLEAR DIFFERENCE.

Saying what you want is FINE but FFS lambasting the man over and over again over POINTLESS shit is effing rude.

The only person I saw doing that on those YT comments was ML himself.

ML needs to watch a recent episode of 'South Park' called 'Safe Space.' Pretty much sums it up.

[Julie in the rv mirror]

Ah TMZ, scum of the earth.
Actually, I think they were kind of presenting that in a positive light, if that's possible.

I like TMZ- I think they're funny. :lol:

[ThatWriterGuy]

This is what I talk about. :(

TMZ had a run with the comments

http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/31/meat-loaf-fights-fans-youtube/

Traveling, so this is a quick post, but I read the article and it's actually really quite a positive spin on it, which was surprising considering the nature of the press. I actually don't think this is going to hurt at all, quite the reverse :!:

[AndrewG]

There's no such thing as bad press. And it seems many agree with his opinions regardless. I look forward to some uk shows next year.

[gigs89]

The TMZ article was completely wrong. He wasnt replying to trolls, he was insulting his fans who were having a perfectly innocent discussion about his very obvious use of a ghost track on the video. There is no justifying point blank lying about it and then telling people to go f*** themselves for talking about it.

[Wario]

The TMZ article was completely wrong. He wasnt replying to trolls, he was insulting his fans who were having a perfectly innocent discussion about his very obvious use of a ghost track on the video. There is no justifying point blank lying about it and then telling people to go f*** themselves for talking about it.

Please TMZ is showing meat in a positive light

No he did not he was just annoyed with the strolls

Stop queens don't slay

[Ollie241189]

Listen,

There are god knows how many artists that DO use ghost tracks and nobody bats (pardon the pun) an eyelid. IF Meat is using a ghost track then could that be because the Neverland Express hasn't been together since Last At Bat and there was little time to rehearse and put a show together? Could it be that because he's recording another Steinman album (and we all know how hard it is to sing his songs) that it's taken a bit of toll on his voice (not saying that's the case at all) and he needs a bit of help? Or is it that he is actually hitting these notes and it does just, coincidentally, sound like a ghost track is being played.

Thing is people dont say anything about the hundreds of artists that DO use ghost tracks but do pick on Meat. Is THAT because of the kinds of songs he sings that people feel to trash his name and his performances? It's all a load of crap! Let the man do his shows and entertain the masses that he DOES entertain!

[Wario]

Please TMZ is showing meat in a positive light

No he did not he was just annoyed with the strolls

Stop queens don't slay

fml I hate autocorrect

[ChloeLee88]

Oh my....So i've been away from my computer for a while, then come back and see this! This actually infuriates me, watch this video, listen to the reaction of the fans, are they having a great time.....yes! Well then Meat is doing his job well. Why the hell does it matter if Meat is or isn't using a ghost track? Its not like he's even miming over the top of it, he's still singing!
Why do people then slate his performances to Meat himself and the rest of his fans....what do you expect when you say things like this? A pat on the back! Your opinion is your opinion and thats fine, no one can say you are right or wrong, but theres a time and a place on when to voice it and knowing when to stop.

Meat is working his arse off for us fans, when he see's things like this of course he is going to get upset and defensive, and maybe he did over react, can can we really blame him? I'm a musician and if I worked really hard to give a performance and someone just came along and attacked my work showing no real constructive criticism then I would probably over react too!

Rant over!

[Adje]

I never heard of the term ghost track before this tour. And just like overdubbing a live DVD or CD, I don't care. If it increases my pleasure to listen to an artist then it's a tool that does it's job.

But that term... Ghost track...

Can it be that Meat is unaware of it? That it attached itself to Meat when he was doing all the haunting programms? It surely sounds like somethng from those shows... :lol:

[AndrewG]

But that term... Ghost track...


Never heard of it either.

[ThatWriterGuy]

A ghost track is a guide vocal, just something to keep a vocalist in pitch or give the illusion of strength and depth to a vocal line or a choral melody. Sometimes, if there are a lot of vocals in a section of a song or a wall of sound style passage (think Queen), bands will use their own studio vocals as backing (basically like a backing track) to help pad the sound out.

Like I said, a lot of artists use them; it's nothing that unusual.

[duke knooby]

There's no such thing as bad press.

I'm not sure Volkswagen would currently agree with that.