Tyce Green

[mindnick1]

I am not sure if you all know yet (or care lol) that Tyce Green has recorded 11 Jim Steinman songs for release this fall, we have re-recored three of the classics from Dead Ringer plus 8 more of Jims gems, they are all full on jim style productions and sound amazing....
NIck

[ashkent7]

I am not sure if you all know yet (or care lol) that Tyce Green has recorded 11 Jim Steinman songs for release this fall, we have re-recored three of the classics from Dead Ringer plus 8 more of Jims gems, they are all full on jim style productions and sound amazing....
NIck

Based on what I've heard - both of the samples and Tyce at the live shows - really looking forward to some re-imaginings. :lol:

[Danny L]

A FULL ALBUM?!! I presumed this would be an EP

Braver Than We Are, Bat Out of Hell the musical, Tyce - amazing times!! :D:D:D:D:D

[PanicLord]

Looking forward to it... love to hear imaginative new takes on classic tracks.

[LucyK!]

You know how much I'm rooting for you all with this one, Nick! X

[roomster]

I am not sure if you all know yet (or care lol) that Tyce Green has recorded 11 Jim Steinman songs for release this fall, we have re-recored three of the classics from Dead Ringer plus 8 more of Jims gems, they are all full on jim style productions and sound amazing....
NIck

I have seen some videos on YouTube with Tyce Green now, and I have to say that I really look forward to this album... I'll definately buy it :D :up:

Do you have some more info? When? How to buy? Which songs?

[renegadeangel]

I've heard a couple of songs and to be honest they are ok but they are no Meat Loaf. It's just a singer singing a song without the ownership.
Just my opinion

[roomster]

I've heard a couple of songs and to be honest they are ok but they are no Meat Loaf. It's just a singer singing a song without the ownership.
Just my opinion

I think he interpret and sing the songs with just as much ownership as Meat.

I really look forward to this album :D

Left In The Dark
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For Crying Out Loud
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[renegadeangel]

I think he interpret and sing the songs with just as much ownership as Meat.

I really look forward to this album :D

Left In The Dark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSyg0qmLToQ

For Crying Out Loud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j90h0AzZvhY


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I saw both videos and that is why I made the comment. My opinion is simple. Definitely a good singer but as far as making me feel the same way as Meat does when he sings those songs... not even in the same league.
I'll be first to admit that I am a diehard Meat fan but I also like hearing other artists doing Jim's songs. However I haven't anyone cover Meat's version of Jim's material and do it with the same justice that Meat does.

[ThatWriterGuy]

The album will be VERY different to these 'impromptu' live performances (which, personally, I really enjoyed for what they were). However, if you're expecting a Meat Loaf copy -- look elsewhere.

[loaferman61]

The album will be VERY different to these 'impromptu' live performances (which, personally, I really enjoyed for what they were). However, if you're expecting a Meat Loaf copy -- look elsewhere.

Meat Loaf can't be copied. I'm interested to hear someone else singing Jim's songs. He's a good singer, just can't really compare him to Meat. Probably kind of unfair to compare the young man to a rock legend really.

I'm just happy Jim's songs and style will still be carried forward by someone.

[Meat Loaf_fan]

Voice of Tyce Green can't be compared to Meat. Why? I like Meat's depth and passion in his voice. Tyce Green has good voice but too thin (high - I guess ...).

There is no (at least today) male voice near Meat's voice.

PS. The only singer with good enough voice to carry out (solo) Jim Steinman songs is: Meat :-) ... and maybe Taylor Dayne (this is my opinion, so you have every rights to have your own ;) ).

[ashkent7]

I see it like this...

Meat has "covered" a lot of Jim's songs that were recorded and released by others first(Pandora's Box aside you have Barbara Streisand, Bonnie Tyler, Boyzone, Celine Dion etc etc). He has also covered things like Let It Be and Come Together by The Beatles, Forever Young by Dylan.

With marginal exception (Bonnie and 2 out of 3/Barry Manilow and Read Em and Weep, that I can think of off hand), and discounting YouTube bedroom singers/cover bands/sound-alikes...how many songs by Jim that Meat has recorded have been covered on a studio recording? Meat brings something to the songs that renders a lot of attempts DOA from the start. If you record them, you have to bring something completely new to the songs, and that is how I see this album delivering the songs.

I'm not sure how many of the songs are "Meat's songs" (I know a couple that have been mentioned) but one thing they won't be is just copied because as said above, even Meat's non-Jim more mainstream songs just can't be copied.

[stretch37]

Meat Loaf can't be copied. I'm interested to hear someone else singing Jim's songs. He's a good singer, just can't really compare him to Meat. Probably kind of unfair to compare the young man to a rock legend really.

I'm just happy Jim's songs and style will still be carried forward by someone.

If you're going to sing Steinman songs, yeah you definitely need to bring something to the table. The song can't just be 'sung' or it sounds hollow.

I just spent 6 months figuring out how to sing For Crying Out Loud. I was planning on doing it for my 9th anniversary. Believe it or not, the damn video I did overnight, the song took me months to learn how to sing even after knowing it for like 10 years :P

I'm a bass. So I tuned it down. My approach to the song became very simple and obvious near the end. It's all about emotion. It was all about how I feel about my wife and love, and the idea of somehow living without her. You've gotta have a play or something in your head. You have to sing it with feverish emotion that's real, not just acted. What that ended up producing was a softer version of the song. People seem to like it! It got a great response on Facebook. I'm ok with how it turned out.

Getting the right mixture of emotion and living the song along with singing style and not over singing or under singing it was very, very hard.

It really gave me a new understanding of how much Meat puts into his work.

Here's the Wav soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/matthewcprice/for-crying-out-loud

Video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2b4wi3nXqU

[nikox1]

He's a decent singer, and he's bringing some Steinman music forward I guess.
Best of luck to him, but yeah I agree Meat gets Jims songs like no other.
Ps Matt keep up the good work :D

[proctorloaf]

Why are we comparing Tyce to Meat? Meat is incomparable. No-one sings a song like Meat Loaf. Tyce isn't a Meat Loaf tribute act. He's interpreting Jim's songs in his own way. This isn't American Idol. It's not a competition. It's art. Meat is an artist. Tyce is also an artist. Both performers are making new art and we get to experience it! We are so lucky to have new material this year from 3 sources. We should be thankful.

[nikox1]

I've listened again, he is very good

[Danny L]

Type is a musical theatre guy - wonder if he or indeed others from Pat's Steinman shows are up for a role in BOOH?

It's great these songs are being revisited and hopefully introduced to a new generation

[Danny L]

Why are we comparing Tyce to Meat? Meat is incomparable. No-one sings a song like Meat Loaf. Tyce isn't a Meat Loaf tribute act. He's interpreting Jim's songs in his own way. This isn't American Idol. It's not a competition. It's art. Meat is an artist. Tyce is also an artist. Both performers are making new art and we get to experience it! We are so lucky to have new material this year from 3 sources. We should be thankful.

Braver Than We Are

Bat Out of Hell

Tyce Hero


Jim Steinman is about to make a thunderous comeback!!

[anotherday]

Tyce is pretty good. He sings the songs with conviction and passion.

He's no Meat, but he isn't trying to be. There is always room in the world for more Steinman.

[stretch37]

Tyce is pretty good. He sings the songs with conviction and passion.

He's no Meat, but he isn't trying to be. There is always room in the world for more Steinman.

That's the main thing!

[rockfenris2005]

Making a general comment here... but I was tired of hearing that no one could do a Steinman song like Meat, ten years ago. Imagine how tired I am now. YES, no one CAN do a Steinman song like Meat, that is certainly true unto itself. But no one can do a Steinman song like... Steve Barton in "Tanz". Watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpEOnJud8gk

This is sort of HIS "For crying out loud" in my mind. Then there's Elaine, Rory, Holly, Kyle, Karine, Ellen, Karla, Bonnie Tyler. They all bring so much to the table. I'm never going to hear Meat Loaf wail the end of "Faster than the speed of night" the way Holly does. I say this as a massive Meat Loaf fan!!!

[ashkent7]

Making a general comment here... but I was tired of hearing that no one could do a Steinman song like Meat, ten years ago. Imagine how tired I am now. YES, no one CAN do a Steinman song like Meat, that is certainly true unto itself. But no one can do a Steinman song like... Steve Barton in "Tanz". Watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpEOnJud8gk

This is sort of HIS "For crying out loud" in my mind. Then there's Elaine, Rory, Holly, Kyle, Karine, Ellen, Karla, Bonnie Tyler. They all bring so much to the table. I'm never going to hear Meat Loaf wail the end of "Faster than the speed of night" the way Holly does. I say this as a massive Meat Loaf fan!!!

I've got a couple of versions of Steve's Tanz, and his English Demos among other things, and for me he did Steinman as well as he did for the same reason as Meat. He absolutely owed the character of Krolock the same as Meat owns the characters he envisions as the actual singers of the songs.

There are certain songs that I think it would be virtually impossible to top Meat on, but there are a lot of Steinman songs out there and for various reasons there are some that are much better suited to someone other than Meat. It's a bit like Dylan's Knocking on Heaven' Door is great, but for me Guns and Roses is awesome.

[renegadeangel]

Making a general comment here... but I was tired of hearing that no one could do a Steinman song like Meat, ten years ago. Imagine how tired I am now. YES, no one CAN do a Steinman song like Meat, that is certainly true unto itself. But no one can do a Steinman song like... Steve Barton in "Tanz". Watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpEOnJud8gk

This is sort of HIS "For crying out loud" in my mind. Then there's Elaine, Rory, Holly, Kyle, Karine, Ellen, Karla, Bonnie Tyler. They all bring so much to the table. I'm never going to hear Meat Loaf wail the end of "Faster than the speed of night" the way Holly does. I say this as a massive Meat Loaf fan!!!

When someone goes out and covers songs that the original artist has already nailed then expect comparisons
Meat can never to TEOTH or FTTSON as Bonnie did a great job and definitely owns them.
Tyce should establish himself first with some new Steinman songs before delving into the back catalogue where the songs were already done to near perfection

[PanicLord]

New Steinman songs?

[stretch37]

He's a decent singer, and he's bringing some Steinman music forward I guess.
Best of luck to him, but yeah I agree Meat gets Jims songs like no other.
Ps Matt keep up the good work :D

Thanks bud. PS From what I've seen from Tyce Green he sounds great. He brings his own thing to the songs.

Tribute acts are fun and are supposed to be nostalgic, but artists who are true to themselves but still sing those older songs to their own convictions are wonderful, and I encourage it.

Some cover songs I've heard as a nieve younger person I've actually mistaken for the original! For example, about 10-15 years ago I heard Limp Biscuit's cover of Behind Blue Eyes, and it was the first time I ever heard the song. I LOVED IT! (yelling intended baha)

Later on I become a huge David Gilmour/Roger Waters fan and I thoroughly enjoy the originals more now, but at first I liked that aholes version better ;)

I also love Johnny Cash's cover of One by U2. He brings something else to the song.

So it just goes to show you, covers can be a great thing.

[mindnick1]

Great discussion!! And thanks for all the great comments about Tyce, i will see that he sees this...

Couple things....

As many of you said, this is in no way a tribute act, and nor can you compare his vocals to Meats, he is not trying to be Meat and nor should he, Tyce is 24 years old and was singled out by Jim from the 54 Below shows, (which Jim was at) for his amazing vocal performances of some of Jims gems....The videos posted are great, but those players were all NYC session players and did that with almost no rehearsal, the album is a HUGE jim Style production, lots of piano, synths, drama, loud guitars(ME), emotion, tears, laughter etc etc....this is TYCE bringing Jim's music to a new generation of listeners..

So far you can expect to hear, Left in the Dark, Gonna Love her, Holding out for a hero plus at least 8 more to be announced soon.....follow on facebook if you like..and again thanks for all the great comments

https://www.facebook.com/HeroTyce/

and here is a link to an acoustic show we did for Jim...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsvs-pgEtsw&feature=youtu.be

[PanicLord]

Great discussion!! And thanks for all the great comments about Tyce, i will see that he sees this...

Couple things....

As many of you said, this is in no way a tribute act, and nor can you compare his vocals to Meats, he is not trying to be Meat and nor should he, Tyce is 24 years old and was singled out by Jim from the 54 Below shows, (which Jim was at) for his amazing vocal performances of some of Jims gems....The videos posted are great, but those players were all NYC session players and did that with almost no rehearsal, the album is a HUGE jim Style production, lots of piano, synths, drama, loud guitars(ME), emotion, tears, laughter etc etc....this is TYCE bringing Jim's music to a new generation of listeners..

So far you can expect to hear, Left in the Dark, Gonna Love her, Holding out for a hero plus at least 8 more to be announced soon.....follow on facebook if you like..and again thanks for all the great comments

https://www.facebook.com/HeroTyce/

Going for some awesome choices! IGLHFBOU is my favourite song so has a lot to live up to. Looking forward to hearing it all

[samurai7]

For example, about 10-15 years ago I heard Limp Biscuit's cover of Behind Blue Eyes, and it was the first time I ever heard the song. I LOVED IT! (yelling intended baha)

Later on I become a huge David Gilmour/Roger Waters fan and I thoroughly enjoy the originals more now, but at first I liked that aholes version better ;)



Sorry to rain on your parade, but Behind Blue Eyes is a Who song written by Pete Townshend, not a Pink Floyd song by Gilmour & Waters. But agreed that Fred wossname is an Ahole :)

[stretch37]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but Behind Blue Eyes is a Who song written by Pete Townshend, not a Pink Floyd song by Gilmour & Waters. But agreed that Fred wossname is an Ahole :)

Lol, yeah, I knew that. Unfortunately, that didn't dissuade me from writing something so inaccurate in my post.

What I should have said, had I actually been awake enough to comprehend my own thoughts, was that I had heard the cover of behind blue eyes by the Who, and I actually still like it better than the original.

Having said that, when I first heard Wish You Were Here as a cover, I liked the cover version better (It wasn't by Fred Durst btw, can't remember who but If I did some digging I could find it). After I heard Gilmour perform it, that changed things for me. I've thought of his rendition of it as really the best version for me since.

[Danny L]

Total Eclipse is teased on the Tyce facebook. Sounds wicked.

Possibly my only distraction from BTWA this autumn!

[Adje]

I wish the guy all the luck in the World but it's not for me.

Good to know the Steinman works are being revisited though.

[madagascar]

All the luck in the world, like you said Adje, but to be honest, his singing is not rising to the expectations, I'm afraid.

[ThatWriterGuy]

All the luck in the world, like you said Adje, but to be honest, his singing is not rising to the expectations, I'm afraid.

Probably best to wait until you can actually HEAR it before you make a judgement. Tyce has got some surprising vocal chops under his belt. That said, it definitely won't be for everyone (especially if you're expecting ML style vocals ... because that ain't ever gonna happen, by anyone, anywhere!).

Out of curiosity: how would you all feel if LADY GAGA recorded an album of Jim songs, in her own style?

[ashkent7]

Probably best to wait until you can actually HEAR it before you make a judgement. Tyce has got some surprising vocal chops under his belt. That said, it definitely won't be for everyone (especially if you're expecting ML style vocals ... because that ain't ever gonna happen, by anyone, anywhere!).

Out of curiosity: how would you all feel if LADY GAGA recorded an album of Jim songs, in her own style?

I'm always open to other artists interpreting Jim's work. There have been many over the years, some great, some good, some ok. I can't say I've heard any that I think have been terrible (in the grand scheme of music), but there have been a couple that just haven't been my preferred versions.

I think depending how she did it, Gaga has that grandiose thing of her own going on at times so I could see her bringing something gothically eccentric to certain songs...probably I would say something as her style was between the releases of Bad Romance and the Born This Way album (I thought Artpop was perhaps pushed a little too far into the bizarre at times).

In the end, I remember Billy Joel once saying in a radio interview that when he started he didn't want to be a singer, he just wanted to write for people but was told that the only way to get his music out there was to sing it himself so people could hear it. When Westlife recorded Uptown Girl, he was asked what he thought, and he said that he was always glad to hear other people's interpretations and takes on his songs...so for me, and particularly when I have written anything be it songs, novels, scripts, there are two purposes - to please yourself (your own personal directors cut as it were) and to please other people, who will interpret what you put out in the way that makes them happy. Sometimes you might like it, sometimes you might not, but what it always does is keep your work alive.

Other than the really big players, try and name more than a handful of singers from the 40s or 50s who had decent sized, well loved hits back then that are ever heard of in general discussions now. Then have someone like David Guetta (not sure on the spelling there) put out a remix album of their work and see how suddenly people can name them again.

It can be a double edged sword, but the goal of any songwriter is to have their work live on in some way, and as Jim has heard Tyce sing and had a hand in singling him out, I'm sure he will be happy which is good enough for me.

[AndrewG]

Probably best to wait until you can actually HEAR it before you make a judgement. Tyce has got some surprising vocal chops under his belt. That said, it definitely won't be for everyone (especially if you're expecting ML style vocals ... because that ain't ever gonna happen, by anyone, anywhere!).


I've heard singers do these songs closer to and more in the vein of Meat than Tyce seems to be able to do, that's for sure. :|
But he's very young I believe. With maturity comes experience, style and ability to capture people so he might well grow into a singer I will appreciate more in the long run.

As others have said, good luck to him and if he entertains audiences a lot with these great songs then that's only a good thing.

[Mr. Happy]

Those clips sound fantastic to me. I wasn't sure what to make of Left in the Dark or Hero, but this excerpt from Total Eclipse has got me cautiously excited. Steinman songs need a very powerful, melodic voice, and as Braver has demonstrated Meat just can't provide that anymore. It's good to know that there's still artists out there capable of giving us our Steinman fix. Total Eclipse sounds great:cool:

Has Jim actually donated some legitimately new songs to this project, or does 'new' mean something like Not Allowed to Love or Only When I Feel?

[ThatWriterGuy]

For me, if GaGa were to record an album of Jim songs, I'd want to hear her JUDAS/EDGE OF GLORY style production taken one step further into the realms of SONIC GOTHIC POP HORROR!! However, I'd also want - and this is a DEAL BREAKER - at least three tracks (NOT bonus tracks) with just GaGa and a piano, and nothing else.

ALBUM TRACK LIST:

NOCTURNAL PLEASURE
TONIGHT IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE YOUNG
NOWHERE FAST
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
GOOD GIRLS GO TO HEAVEN
HEAVEN CAN WAIT
DANCE IN MY PANTS
ORIGINAL SIN
BAD FOR GOOD
HOLDING OUT FOR A HERO
EVERYTHING LOUDER THAN EVERYTHING ELSE

I've tried to omit the more obvious 'this is what a female vocalist covering Jim songs would sing' kind of thing (note: this wouldn't be the running order of the album!).

(And as a follow up album: SURF'S UP,READ 'EM AND WEEP, MORE THAN YOU DESERVE, LOVE DEATH AND AN AMERICAN GUITAR, WHO NEEDS THE YOUNG (PSYCHO MIX!!!), I'LL KILL YOU IF YOU DON'T COME BACK, I'M GONNA LOVE HER FOR BOTH OF US, IT JUST WON'T QUIT, and SEIZE THE NIGHT).

I think GaGa has the potential to produce some of the above songs phenomenally well and to great effect, especially as some of the tracks are tracks that you wouldn't necessarily assume to be a female vocalist's first choice to cover. You can only IMAGINE the videos ...

[ThatWriterGuy]

Damn ... missed out MORE and THIS CORROSION!! They HAVE to be on there!!
(too many tracks!)

[nikox1]

Those clips sound fantastic to me. I wasn't sure what to make of Left in the Dark or Hero, but this excerpt from Total Eclipse has got me cautiously excited. Steinman songs need a very powerful, melodic voice, and as Braver has demonstrated Meat just can't provide that anymore. It's good to know that there's still artists out there capable of giving us our Steinman fix. Total Eclipse sounds great:cool:

Has Jim actually donated some legitimately new songs to this project, or does 'new' mean something like Not Allowed to Love or Only When I Feel?

Im sure Meat can,

[Meat Loaf_fan]

After hearing samples ("Left In The Dark" and "Total Eclipse Of The Heart") on Tyce facebook page, I will change my point of view (from the past post). Of course Meat :cool: is my favourite singer, but Tyce is also good :-). It only means that I will give chance to younger singer (and I will buy his CD).

[mindnick1]

Hi, so i am the Co Producer of this project and have pretty much played ALL the guitars.....

There is another teaser coming out today I hope, this one is 4 mins plus and gives a proper idea of production etc, then there will be a release date set for the first single Hero....then an album release date for October is likely...were waiting on album artwork and mastering....

Remember 2 outta 3 (sorry) of the teasers have been songs that Meat NEVER recorded, so we cant think about comparing Meats vocals on songs that he never did....and Eclipse and Hero were both female, Tyce is obv male so a completely different take on it......

Love all your comments, remember, this is Tyce, not Meat, he is a young man with a VERY bright future indeed, the gauntlet he HAS been handed is HUGE.......Keeping Jim and Meats music alive for a new generation.......and lastly, after Meat retires, who is going to hold the candle worldwide singing Jims music live exclusively!.....

lets support this as i know you all will!! :)

Nick

[mindnick1]

Hi All, looks like the album will be out later this year or early next, its done, now just waiting on art and mastering....Jim has been giving us some great pointers on the mixing, not sure if anyone follows me on facebook but yesterday Jim gave us a great public comment saying he loves what we have done!!....very humbled indeed....
Nick

[eltmatt]

Hi Nick, yeh I saw Jim comment! Very cool, also heard the 4 minute sampler, the production sounds awesome so well done! Does Tyce have any plan to do a live show singing these songs with a live band, in the UK? ;)

[mindnick1]

Thanks so much, the production was something we REALLY focused on as we feel Jim's music should be HUGE sounding most of the time......and YES there are plans right now for some UK shows, just trying to make the numbers work...the album is going to be released in FEB 2017 so sometime around March maybe for the UK shows.....we were going to release in Nov but the artist for the album cover wont have it ready in time, by the way the cover is as epic as Braver....again we feel any Jim album should have an epic cover!..lastly, and without giving too much away it may be the only chance the uk will get to here some of the Braver songs live...





Hi Nick, yeh I saw Jim comment! Very cool, also heard the 4 minute sampler, the production sounds awesome so well done! Does Tyce have any plan to do a live show singing these songs with a live band, in the UK? ;)

[Danny L]

Thanks so much, the production was something we REALLY focused on as we feel Jim's music should be HUGE sounding most of the time......and YES there are plans right now for some UK shows, just trying to make the numbers work...the album is going to be released in FEB 2017 so sometime around March maybe for the UK shows.....we were going to release in Nov but the artist for the album cover wont have it ready in time, by the way the cover is as epic as Braver....again we feel any Jim album should have an epic cover!..lastly, and without giving too much away it may be the only chance the uk will get to here some of the Braver songs live...

oh fantastic!!

[eltmatt]

Awesome! Thanks, hope to get to one of the shows.

[Meat Loaf_fan]

Good news! :-) It's good idea that we will have songs from Jim Steinman next year.

[mindnick1]

So PR starts today for Tyce-Hero......fyi Julie Bell is doing the art for the front cover, the album is being released Feb 17 on Broadway Records out of New York City!!!

The Album will have 9 songs fully produced and will be available worldwide on Itunes etc etc, there will also be a double CD version available with an additional 7 songs from a live recording session in LA of Piano and Vocal only versions of the album tracks....inc Everything is Permitted, a Crazy slow version of Hero, and an amazing version of Im
Gonna Love Her...plus way more.....


scroll down in this article for the Tyce info

http://www.themacwire.com/today-in-the-glorious-corner-classic-rock-yes-rising-singing-star-tyce-green-t-j-martell-foundation-founder-passes-and-more/

Nick

[eltmatt]

Awesome, Ill be getting this :p

[nightinr]

Any news on UK tour...what sort of venues will he be playing at?

[mindnick1]

Any news on UK tour...what sort of venues will he be playing at?

Well yes we do hope so, depending how the album is recieved will depend on the venue size, but small 300-500 seat venues seems like a good start..maybe April/May/July 2017....the more we sell the more likely it happens!! so share, like and buy and keep Steinman music alive!!

Nick

[Meat Loaf_fan]

I'm happy that we will have very good album in February 2017. :-)

[Meat Loaf_fan]

I have one question: when there will be info (about the album) in Amazon (or in other shops)?

[mindnick1]

I have one question: when there will be info (about the album) in Amazon (or in other shops)?

Hi, thanks for asking, if you would like to friend me on Facebook i give lots of updates there...Nicky James, i don't come here that often so i may miss your responses.

The exact release date is not 100% confirmed, why? only one reason, we are waiting on the final cover art from Julie Bell, its due to be delivered to us on Jan 31st with a potential release by the end of Feb....it will be on amazon etc...

Cheers
Nick

[mindnick1]

Pre Order the Double CD at....and see the album cover by Boris Vallejo and Julie Bell
http://www.broadwayrecords.com/cds/tyce-hero

or instant 2 track pre order now on iTunes worldwide
https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/album/hero/id1207165945?app=itunes&at=10l8Nk

[PanicLord]

Pre Order the Double CD at....and see the album cover by Boris Vallejo and Julie Bell
http://www.broadwayrecords.com/cds/tyce-hero

or instant 2 track pre order now on iTunes worldwide
https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/album/hero/id1207165945?app=itunes&at=10l8Nk

Exciting times! Any idea when it might be available in the UK?

[mindnick1]

Exciting times! Any idea when it might be available in the UK?

Should be available for pre order now, with release on March 10th...Amazon no pre order, but will be available for download on March 10th

Nick

[letsgotoofar]

Not to be the guy tossing the cat in among the pigeons yet again, but do you or your collaborators on the project have anything to say about this recent statement (http://www.jimsteinman.com/messageboard/d.php?id=50578) by Jim's P.A.?

[mindnick1]

I generally agree with the comments made by some of the Steinman fans who responded to Jim's PA, and she has a right to HER opinion........some people hate the idea of releasing now, some love it, some are glad for new versions of songs some are not...if we could please all the people all the time we would.

[proctorloaf]

I honestly thought that Jim was involved with BOTH of these projects or had given his blessing to them...

[anotherday]

I honestly thought that Jim was involved with BOTH of these projects or had given his blessing to them...

Same here...

[ashkent7]

Same here...

I definitely thought so on the Tyce front especially with Meat's comments about him...wasn't so sure on Karine's when I've seen the "cover" and heard the clip.

[loaferman61]

I will need to hear clips of both albums before I buy them. I knew Jim was not directly involved but thought they kind of had unofficial blessing as opposed to Meat having direct blessing from Jim on "Braver".

I still think "Hero" is just not a man's song, so I'm really skeptical on that. I may be pleasantly surprised if I hear it, but like Meat I see these songs as having characters and "Hero" screams female to me as does "Safe Sex" and most of the Bonnie, Pandora's Box stuff.

Others mileage may vary.

[mindnick1]

Dont believe everythng you read.....in "that" post it was stated to be an opinon...

You should be able to preview at least two songs on Itunes

[mindnick1]

I will need to hear clips of both albums before I buy them. I knew Jim was not directly involved but thought they kind of had unofficial blessing as opposed to Meat having direct blessing from Jim on "Braver".

I still think "Hero" is just not a man's song, so I'm really skeptical on that. I may be pleasantly surprised if I hear it, but like Meat I see these songs as having characters and "Hero" screams female to me as does "Safe Sex" and most of the Bonnie, Pandora's Box stuff.

Others mileage may vary.

Totally respect for your opinion, but why could't a gay man sing Hero?? the words will mean the same to him as a straight man or woman...

[ashkent7]

Totally respect for your opinion, but why could't a gay man sing Hero?? the words will mean the same to him as a straight man or woman...

I don't think gay or not gay makes a difference...I think it is more when you take a song that has categorically up to that point been associated with a female performer(s), then you have to go some way to flip that. It's a bit like if Meat, or if you want to keep like for like then someone like Freddie Mercury had recorded Dolly Parton's 9 To 5 or Donna Summers Hot Stuff. It could be done, but it would take a lot of getting used to, and I think pretty much any of the songs Bonnie recorded of Jim's fall into that category for the majority.

[PanicLord]

I don't think gay or not gay makes a difference...I think it is more when you take a song that has categorically up to that point been associated with a female performer(s), then you have to go some way to flip that. It's a bit like if Meat, or if you want to keep like for like then someone like Freddie Mercury had recorded Dolly Parton's 9 To 5 or Donna Summers Hot Stuff. It could be done, but it would take a lot of getting used to, and I think pretty much any of the songs Bonnie recorded of Jim's fall into that category for the majority.

But for me, the more different the songs are when a new artist covers then, the better. I never like it when you end with something that you've already got. When I hear it, maybe it will have even more of an impact by being sung by a male.

[mindnick1]

But for me, the more different the songs are when a new artist covers then, the better. I never like it when you end with something that you've already got. When I hear it, maybe it will have even more of an impact by being sung by a male.

Exactly right, some will love and some will not!!

[loaferman61]

Totally respect for your opinion, but why could't a gay man sing Hero?? the words will mean the same to him as a straight man or woman...

How about "More Than You Deserve"?

[proctorloaf]

Jim does not write 'men's songs' or 'women's songs' he writes Erections of the Heart and last time I checked both men and women could achieve these...

[Wario]

Jim does not write 'men's songs' or 'women's songs' he writes Erections of the Heart and last time I checked both men and women could achieve these...

last time i checked women can't get erections..... :shock:

[proctorloaf]

I think you're wrong Wario, however, I'm talking erections of the heart.

[Evil One]

Jim does not write 'men's songs' or 'women's songs'Safe Sex, Rebel Without A Clue and Ravishing are definitely women's songs.

[proctorloaf]

Safe Sex, Rebel Without A Clue and Ravishing are definitely women's songs.

Disagree 100%

[madagascar]

last time i checked women can't get erections..... :shock:

...from you? :lol::lol::lol:

[GDW]

Nipples!

[Wario]

Safe Sex, Rebel Without A Clue and Ravishing are definitely women's songs.

Id say they are "People who are interested in Men" songs

[letsgotoofar]

With minor changes of lyric from a different POV, maybe those songs could work for men. But that's a very big maybe.

[Wario]

With minor changes of lyric from a different POV, maybe those songs could work for men. But that's a very big maybe.

you arent listening. its songs written for people interested in men, not just women.

[letsgotoofar]

Yes, because every single person interested in men is a "gullible girl" ("Safe Sex") or has been "learning all the roles" "from Dirty Harry to Madonna" ("Rebel Without a Clue"). As a "person interested in men," trust me when I say, they're clearly written for women. It doesn't negate what Tyce is doing, nor is such a statement intended to. It's just facts. Some stuff that is explicitly written for and about women would need a real stretch to be sung by a "person interested in men," and some wouldn't, and there's nothing wrong with pointing it out.

[proctorloaf]

*BOOH the Musical Spoilers in this post*

Jim constantly re-uses melodies for projects and re-writes lyrics. Songs are never set, they are remodelled over and over again. So songs can of course be remodelled for male or female performers. Most of the BOOH the musical numbers are duets in one way or another.

'No-one ever said I was a naive guy' would work for the opening line of Safe Sex and I don't think that you'd need to change any other lyric.

In all honestly I can't believe that Meat Loaf fans are talking about 'male' and 'female' songs. Meat always says that a singer just has to own a song. Meat often talks about how Total Eclipse of the Heart was meant to be on Midnight at the Lost and Found.

Heaven can wait was originally sung by Ellen Foley playing Wendy in Neverland. The demo is by Bette Midler. It's sung in the Musical by a female. Is Heaven Can Wait a 'girl's song'?

[letsgotoofar]

'No-one ever said I was a naive guy' would work for the opening line of Safe Sex and I don't think that you'd need to change any other lyric.

To answer the first, doesn't quite scan does it, and to answer the second, "You're not such an innocent boy" comes to mind. :-P

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am saying it requires more emendation than, say, just letting a guy sing "Holding Out for a Hero" and letting it speak for itself.

[Wario]

Yes, because every single person interested in men is a "gullible girl" ("Safe Sex") or has been "learning all the roles" "from Dirty Harry to Madonna" ("Rebel Without a Clue"). As a "person interested in men," trust me when I say, they're clearly written for women. It doesn't negate what Tyce is doing, nor is such a statement intended to. It's just facts. Some stuff that is explicitly written for and about women would need a real stretch to be sung by a "person interested in men," and some wouldn't, and there's nothing wrong with pointing it out.

obviously thatsc ause women are singing them if it was a guy those female things would be changed liked to "gullible girl". madonna can be considered a feminine guy term

[ashkent7]

I can't help feeling like I've walked into Equality and Diversity PC Police 101.

Over the years there have been any number of things that have been wrong in terms of equality, but I don't believe every single thing should have to be for both a man or woman. There are songs that were written for men, songs written for women, and songs that have no gender about them (I count Heaven Can Wait as the latter). So to me there is nothing wrong in a song being a male or female only song.

If like Safe Sex you have to change words to make it right in context, then effectively the original song is still a song that was written for a woman with a new version that has been written for a man to sing. Two different songs for two different people.

If you want to look at a pop song that sums it up take a look at I Kissed A Girl by Katy Perry. It's a song sung by a woman about kissing a woman. If you run through the lyrics though, that could easily be sung by a bisexual male. Some songs are written that way naturally without any shoehorning, others aren't in which case you are technically creating a new song to make it fit.

That's my simplistic view of it anyway.

[letsgotoofar]

obviously thatsc ause women are singing them if it was a guy those female things would be changed liked to "gullible girl". madonna can be considered a feminine guy term

My signature is the prime reason I don't really give a shit about anything you have to say on the subject. If you can't give it more than the level of thought that goes into "if it's from a person interested in men, that means I could sing it and no one could judge"...

[anotherday]

My signature is the prime reason I don't really give a shit about anything you have to say on the subject. If you can't give it more than the level of thought that goes into "if it's from a person interested in men, that means I could sing it and no one could judge"...

Nice personal attack there, LGTF.

[Wario]

My signature is the prime reason I don't really give a shit about anything you have to say on the subject. If you can't give it more than the level of thought that goes into "if it's from a person interested in men, that means I could sing it and no one could judge"...

AHAHAHAHA true.

Nice personal attack there, LGTF.

its a (very good) jab. i got a kick outta it. never be afraid to get good ones in, we are all just avatars.

[CarylB]

This .. and nothing simplistic about it .. just clear, uncomplicated and unambiguous ;)

If like Safe Sex you have to change words to make it right in context, then effectively the original song is still a song that was written for a woman with a new version that has been written for a man to sing. Two different songs for two different people.

[eltmatt]

Haha as if anyone here is arguing over the ambiguity of Jim's songs, its very clear he swings both ways.

[letsgotoofar]

Yeah, if both ways point in the direction of men... he's never come right out and said it, but his Facebook likes (and the constant emphasis on scantily clad males in his music videos) tell the whole story. (Not that it matters; as I said elsewhere in the thread, I'm a man into men.)

[eltmatt]

exactly and *BAT MUSICAL SPOILER*


One of the main plots in the musical is Tink being in love with Strat.

[mindnick1]

ok great, so now thats solved....

Anyone on the east coast want a comp for the Tyce show? March 9th in NYC?

NJM

[proctorloaf]

LOVE the album. In particular what's been done with I'll Kill You if you don't come back - and the piano on the acoustic tracks is sublime but guys WHERE THE F ARE THE BACKGROUND VOCALS???

(And you should really have got Ellen Foley, or anyone else: Aaron Tviet, to do the duet bit in Anything for love')

All in all GOOD JOB tho :)

[eltmatt]

When will it be on Spotify? :p

[MarkS]

I think Tyce may now have the definitive version of Holding out for a Hero, very rocking version

[loaferman61]

Is it available digitally? I don't do itunes, but use the other services.

[proctorloaf]

I've been listening to this all day. It's all coming back to me now OMG what emotion. I've been in tears doing Arts Marketing, all day. Ha!

I LOVE that we now have an album which contains Hero, Total Eclipse and It's all coming back to me now. They are the back bone of the album for me. They are sisters, they belong together and now they're home.

[nightinr]

When is this out in the Uk? Can't see it in UK Amazon?

[Evil One]

I think it's bland. It doesn't kick me in the bollocks. :shrug:

[proctorloaf]

When is this out in the Uk? Can't see it in UK Amazon?

It's out... on iTunes

[loaferman61]

It's out... on iTunes

I probably would purchase it if I used itunes. They are making it even more obscure by doing only 1 service with availability for digital.

[ashkent7]

This is my full take on the album...

So having listened to the album twice to give it a good chance to shine, this is my review of it.

First, i will say that just like Braver, people will like Hero and people will dislike it. Some will like bits of it. I think I'm in the latter category.

Hero for me is an album of missed opportunities, musical over indulgence and I'm actually quite sorry to say tracks that just seem pointlessly redundant in the face of what has gone before. It is like the music industry equivalent of Hollywood remaking Japanese horror films - flashy and loud but missing the subtleties and nuances that make the originals so memorable and long standing.

It is hard to single out the tracks as the main things that stopped me truly getting on board with the album is present throughout. I can't actually say it as well as Jim himself did ten years ago when talking about Bat 3 on his blog. It went a little something like this.

"The only words that crossed my mind a lot during the CD were: DYNAMICS; HUMOR; SPOKEN WORD, PIANO THUNDER and OPERATIC POWER. I missed those, but I "like" the album."

That leads back even further to the heading of a music magazine review of Couldn't Have Said It Better which was "It Don't Mean A Thing If It Ain't Got That Jim".

The song Couldn't Have Said It Better, was said by the magazine to be an attempt to imitate that almost worked but had some clumsy moments that gave it away, and in those three paragraphs is probably a better overview of Hero than i could put together. There are moments when it looks like something truly rooted in the magic on Steinman is about to appear ( for me the openings of Gonna Love Her For Both of Us and I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back are the best things on the album, but only equate to around 30 seconds between them.) but then it becomes somehow lost in a niggling grind of background guitar noise and production so deep the voices are occasionally almost lost.

At the other end of the production spectrum, Heaven Can Wait is like Vince Vaughn’s shot for shot Psycho remake with nothing new to add, and in my opinion nowhere near the emotion of Meat’s original vocal. Objects In The Rear View Mirror severely lacks in the ethereal background vocals that Jim’s production gave it on Bat, or the emotional resonance of the Tanz Der Vampire versions.

Holding Out For A Hero and Total Eclipse of the Heart both start well, Total Eclipse in particular with a dark brooding edge, but then again something seems to change and to quote someone (I can’t recall whether it was Jim or in response to something Jim once said) who said it about Land of The Pigs on Bat 3, it is like no one can wait to blow their load in the first act leaving nothing to wait for. And that again is apparent time and time again.
For me, to do Steinman properly you build it. There’s always something coming in his biggest songs and there is a constant melody even when there shouldn’t be. The guitar solo of Frying Pan and Objects on Bat 2, the transition into the coda of All Revved Up, the loop back to the first verse repear of Bad For Good, the piano/drum build into the Say a Prayer section of Going All The Way.

This is partly why for me, Braver Than We Are on Hero will always be a step behind Going All The Way. The song, as it appears in Tanz, and on Braver, and in demos, is a building epic of movements with musically genius links and pay offs. On Braver each chorus arrives with a different gift to offer and the final segment is like everyone is racing towards that final moment. On Hero, it plays its hand early then at times feels rushed but without any drive behind it. It takes more inspiration from the theatrics of Tanz than anything else on occasion but doesn’t have the feeling Going All The Way injects with its nostalgic guitar sound and piano drive.

There are guitar solos lifted direct from their predecessors (Gonna Love Her and Kill You most notably), and the others just kind of sound like most other rock music out there, which again raises the question of why if the originals can’t be bettered. There are clunky moments in some transitions when changes happen in tone or depth that just seem out of the blue rather than planned and flowing, and occasionally it sounds like every sound effect and hand held ringing item had to be used somewhere and has been.

Tyce himself is a great singer, there’s no doubt of that. There are some times though he is so high, without much in the way of protection that good backing vocals would have helped out on, that it almost becomes screechy. His calibre is proven more, and this is a massive tell on the album as a whole, in the acoustic songs included as bonus material. It does seem odd that All Coming Back To Me Now is in the acoustic section as the main album version is barely more than that, but again, Tyce’s emotions, effort and abilities are must more apparent in raw acoustic version than the album take. Sometimes, it seems less is more and this is one of those times. For all it’s bells and whistles, there is something peculiarly hollow about the main album, while the supplementary add ons are actually what are worth a larger part of the cost of the album and to me would have made a better album on their own merits with minimal additional production. These versions lend something more to the honesty of the songs, and give a truly different perspective on some of them.

The album will sit in nicely with the other Steinman featuring playlists for me, but even though I had really high expectations of this and will listen to it, it doesn’t knock out any of the versions of the songs that have gone before.

[AndrewG]

That leads back even further to the heading of a music magazine review of Couldn't Have Said It Better which was "It Don't Mean A Thing If It Ain't Got That Jim".


Couldn't disagree more with that. CHSIB has a few weak moments but several tracks are absolute perfected produced and sung masterpieces. Jim's influence and the tribute to his style are there for sure but it didn't need Steinman imo.
In fact I think Tyce should have gone into that direction rather sing old songs which I just never think can be improved by anyone. It's a bit like the Springsteen tribute stuff. Tons of people have done it and there are really impressive renditions but other than full tribute bands I can't think of anyone who has made an entire career out of singing Bruce's songs other than Bruce himself.

Regardless I hope Tyce makes the most of the opportunities and people enjoy his album but it's not for me after listening to the iTunes previews. Good luck to him and appreciate the effort by everyone involved.

[Fire Ball]

Hi, thanks for asking, if you would like to friend me on Facebook i give lots of updates there...Nicky James, i don't come here that often so i may miss your responses.

The exact release date is not 100% confirmed, why? only one reason, we are waiting on the final cover art from Julie Bell, its due to be delivered to us on Jan 31st with a potential release by the end of Feb....it will be on amazon etc...

Cheers
Nick

Stealing my Artist LOL M

[Fire Ball]

Safe Sex, Rebel Without A Clue and Ravishing are definitely women's songs.

Safe Sex and Rebel or not just for women , I thought about Safe Sex at one point . Jim had to give his blessing and the songs are not in the show . Least I don't think so . " Who Needs The Young "is in the show !!!

M

[mindnick1]

Stealing my Artist LOL M

Hahah yes!! Julie and Boris are the most amazin artists!!! And super nice people also!

Nick

[Vickip]

Hahah yes!! Julie and Boris are the most amazin artists!!! And super nice people also!

Nick

I love their artwork :D

[madagascar]

exactly and *BAT MUSICAL SPOILER*


One of the main plots in the musical is Tink being in love with Strat.

Not true!

[proctorloaf]

Not true!

Totally true. Tink is 'Not Allowed to Love' Strat

[proctorloaf]

Stealing my Artist LOL M

Meat is this a hint that you'll be using Julie again, for another album cover? :P

[mindnick1]

On Fb today

"Congratulations!! A Massive task but smoothly executed, so many moments of brillance"

Words ^^^^ by Jim

if it passed the Jim test what else matters!

N

[ashkent7]

Couldn't disagree more with that. CHSIB has a few weak moments but several tracks are absolute perfected produced and sung masterpieces. Jim's influence and the tribute to his style are there for sure but it didn't need Steinman imo.
In fact I think Tyce should have gone into that direction rather sing old songs which I just never think can be improved by anyone. It's a bit like the Springsteen tribute stuff. Tons of people have done it and there are really impressive renditions but other than full tribute bands I can't think of anyone who has made an entire career out of singing Bruce's songs other than Bruce himself.

Regardless I hope Tyce makes the most of the opportunities and people enjoy his album but it's not for me after listening to the iTunes previews. Good luck to him and appreciate the effort by everyone involved.

I liked CHSIB, but I think the only song's I've listened to recently that i can remember are basically the first half of it, after that something just seems to drop out, and that's how I felt listening to Hero.

The one thing i actually forgot to add is that on Tyce's Braver, the only parts I think actually make it are Alex's and the song in general would make me want to find out more about her than Tyce, which is why i felt the album lacked a bit. There are parts in Braver in particular - and mostly when the overbearing heavy metal kickdrum section arrives in the second verse through into the second chorus - where Tyce's voice is mostly lost but Alex's still shine's through.

Also the first lines of Braver, the ones that Meat took a lot of stick for on Going All The Way, I think even Tyce slightly struggles not to have an involuntary quivery sound in his voice (and I don't mean the slightly cut off between the verse and bridge), which to me gives Meat even more kudos for being able to pull it off when a much younger singer can only just manage.

LIke i said though, I do like the album, but most of it was disappointingly skip-able...(for me).

[Mr. Happy]

I have some misgivings about a couple of things on this album (such as the total lack of dynamics, and there's some sloppy piano playing in spots), but overall my first impression is positive. Holding Out For A Hero and I'll Kill You alone are worth the price tag, those two sound incredible with modern production.

Everything Is Permitted was the unexpected highlight of the album. That sounds great with just piano and vocals.

[eltmatt]

Just listened on itunes, seems like its been mastered weirdly. Very compressed and because of this there's not much dynamics, especially the vocals, theres no space for them to breathe and they get lost in the mix, the guitars are loud.

[ashkent7]

I think that was partly my problem with a lot of it - there was no breathing room. And it seemed quite frantic and racing towards the end. Some of the best parts of Steinman songs are the musical breaks and I don't think they were allowed to shine as much.

[AndrewG]

My only problem is really with Tyce's voice. He just seemed to over-sing stuff totally, like he is trying to imitate Meat and it doesn't sound quite natural to his voice or fitting. On the acoustic tracks he sounds so much better when he reigns it in completely and doesn't embellish. It's like a rock version of Mariah Carey's post mid 1990s voice how he is doing it, which just goes all over the place and becomes daunting to listen to.

I applaud the efforts by all involved, interesting arrangements from what I heard in places (though the timing and inclusion of braver I still find questionable). But great they got good feedback from Steinman himself.

[eltmatt]

Yes his vocal style reminds me a lot of Adam Lambert, I quite like his voice on the acoustic versions yes, theres more reverb on them and more space for them to breathe, I assume those were actually recorded live.

Objects misses the ethereal synth vox parts and dynamics the most.

Overall though it's probably better than Braver lol

[mindnick1]

Yes his vocal style reminds me a lot of Adam Lambert, I quite like his voice on the acoustic versions yes, theres more reverb on them and more space for them to breathe, I assume those were actually recorded live.

Objects misses the ethereal synth vox parts and dynamics the most.

Overall though it's probably better than Braver lol

What a lovely compliment re Adam Lambert, who is singing with Queen!!!! i agree and can see that!!!!....The acoustic songs were literally all ONE take live in the studio, no frills no fuss, just a one time thing and NO edits!!! and we got some remarkable results!!!

Nick

[anotherday]

Yes his vocal style reminds me a lot of Adam Lambert, I quite like his voice on the acoustic versions yes, theres more reverb on them and more space for them to breathe, I assume those were actually recorded live.

Objects misses the ethereal synth vox parts and dynamics the most.

Overall though it's probably better than Braver lol

Better than Braver? AHAHAHAHAHAHA. :shock:

[K1ttycat]

When is this out in the Uk? Can't see it in UK Amazon?

I ordered it on Amazon UK but from one of the third party sellers - was about £14 instead of Amazon's £27! Hoping it will arrive within a week (think it ships from Germany).

[ashkent7]

Better than Braver? AHAHAHAHAHAHA. :shock:

I'm glad Jim liked parts - as he does say "many moments of brilliance" - but of Braver he said "masterpiece." Braver is a whole entity, Hero is moments that are genuinely awesome (I do love the introduction of Tyce's Braver, but then the rest doesn't seem to follow.) but for me they were just too fleeting. I agree with what's been said about its almost like trying to push too much...Tyce's voice is possibly overly powerful when it isn't always necessary. The majority of Bat is actually sung quite quietly, which I think is why the live acoustic tracks are so much better - the emotions shine through and there are more dynamics in those piano only tracks.

[loaferman61]

Any idea if the digital tracks will be on Amazon? I'd like to try the full versions of "IGLHFBOU" and "Braver".

[mindnick1]

I'm glad Jim liked parts - as he does say "many moments of brilliance" - but of Braver he said "masterpiece." Braver is a whole entity, Hero is moments that are genuinely awesome (I do love the introduction of Tyce's Braver, but then the rest doesn't seem to follow.) but for me they were just too fleeting. I agree with what's been said about its almost like trying to push too much...Tyce's voice is possibly overly powerful when it isn't always necessary. The majority of Bat is actually sung quite quietly, which I think is why the live acoustic tracks are so much better - the emotions shine through and there are more dynamics in those piano only tracks.

"Moments of Brilliance" from the master who penned the songs, i will take that all day long......and to be discussed within the same realm of meats braver???? i will also take that all day long

[PanicLord]

I have to say I really like this album and it grows oon me every time I listen. To my ears they set out to make modern rock versions of the songs and I think they did precisely that. I sympathise with the comment about Mariah Carey style vocals and hate it when things get unnecessarily twiddly. However I didn't find Tyce went over the top in that regard. In fact I think he knocks the vocals out of the park while also putting his own stamp on the songs, as does the production. In terms of the track Braver... well let's just say the bits I thought would work much better in the high male register work brilliantly well in the high male register.

All in all it's refreshing to have so much new or re imagined Jim content coming out and I really hope that all of the publicity adds up to lots of new young fans to keep Jim's legacy alive.

Thanks Nick, Tyce, and the team! I hope it's a massive success and opens the possibility of more in the future.

[mindnick1]

Thanks so much for this, makes us want to continue and do more.....the picking on Tyce's voice seems totally unnessesary to me (and the same with Meats voice for that matter) Tyce is only 24 years old choosing to sing some of the greatest and hardest songs ever written, ML will surely agree with that!!!!!and most in the original key Jim wrote in also!!, its his first album and to take on these epics was and is a monumental task!!!! Type is NOT Meat and Meat is NOT Tyce, Tyce is NOT trying to be Meat!!!
i said this in the begging and you "PanicLord" nailed it below......we did did try to keep it modern and we did put our own stamp on it, and this was designed for a younger crowd, and it is an attempt to introduce Jim's music to a new generation.......crazy as it sounds but i have had numerous questions from Men and Women who are in their early 20s asking "who wrote these songs".....remember a 24 year old man/woman will barely know Bat 2, never mind Bat 1 and Dead Ringer!!....so mission accomplished....

I was there at 54 Below when Tyce sang "For Crying Out Loud" directly to Jim in the audience..... Who has the balls to sing one of the greatest songs ever written directly to the man who wrote it, not even 10 ft away, and to pull it off like he did!!!! and bring tears of joy to Jim's face!!! it was not perfect, but then again its not meant to be perfect either, just like Hero, it was the raw emotion and the meaning behind the words that brought the venue to a standstill......its NOT all about the voice, in fact we may have had some better vocal takes on some of the album but catching the emotion is way more important than anything in Jim's music!!!! fyi the bonus CD was all ONE take One Evening when Tyce and Zak were fooling around behind a grand piano, we just let it roll and did not edit at all!!!! RAW!

KEEP BUYING music, keep sharing and pushing new artists and classic artists like Meat etc etc.....after all, have you heard the state of the current music out now!! deplorable crap......so if your picking on Tyce's voice, or any others remember the consequencies years down the road when they simply won't be ANY good music....

"Keep on Rocking" is Meat favorite quote.......not picking....but Rocking!!

Nick

I have to say I really like this album and it grows oon me every time I listen. To my ears they set out to make modern rock versions of the songs and I think they did precisely that. I sympathise with the comment about Mariah Carey style vocals and hate it when things get unnecessarily twiddly. However I didn't find Tyce went over the top in that regard. In fact I think he knocks the vocals out of the park while also putting his own stamp on the songs, as does the production. In terms of the track Braver... well let's just say the bits I thought would work much better in the high male register work brilliantly well in the high male register.

All in all it's refreshing to have so much new or re imagined Jim content coming out and I really hope that all of the publicity adds up to lots of new young fans to keep Jim's legacy alive.

Thanks Nick, Tyce, and the team! I hope it's a massive success and opens the possibility of more in the future.

[letsgotoofar]

Oh come off it, it's not like they're knocking you just because they didn't like some minor details of the album. People will either like it or not like it as they please, and no amount of (admittedly heartfelt) defense is going to change people's minds. Stop trying to defend every decision like a bloody shrinking violet every time someone says something that could be construed as less than complimentary, and let it speak for itself, wouldja please? Christ, some people are so sensitive...

[CarylB]

Thanks so much for this, makes us want to continue and do more.....the picking on Tyce's voice seems totally unnessesary to me

"Keep on Rocking" is Meat favorite quote.......not picking....but Rocking!!

Nick

You have to allow some people to not like his voice .. to me to just feels reedy and thready after Meat, and there is nothing of the passion Meat conveys, which is why I have refrained from comment until now. That it does absolutely nothing for me does not mean it is without merit or value .. just that I have for decades heard someone extraordinary deliver the songs in an extraordinary way. I don't expect that to be matched, and it is so far from that I find it holds no appeal. That Jim loves it, sobs over it, has nothing to do with how Meat fans may respond.

Meat and his vocals are often criticised mercilessly on this forum which is one dedicated to HIM, so surely it's predictable Tyce's album will receive some criticism here. And all those who have been "picking" have bothered to listen to it in order to offer criticism, which in itself has been relatively gentle imo.

[ashkent7]

after all, have you heard the state of the current music out now!! deplorable crap......so if your picking on Tyce's voice, or any others remember the consequencies years down the road when they simply won't be ANY good music....


I get the feelings and the sentiment behind this, really I do because I love different versions of Jim's songs. But - and this is the crux for me after hearing the album - there will always be good music and it will always for me be called Bat Out Of Hell, Bat 2 etc etc. Those albums to me won't be bettered and also won't go anywhere no matter how much modern drivel comes out. There will ALWAYS be good music because there HAS been good music. IF we stop listening to those OLD recordings, that's when it will die. There are some modern gems to, but for the rest of my life nothing is going to suddenly stop me listening to those old songs.

Jim's songs, and although I would love to think that somewhere in his private collections are untold hours of lost demos and all those tracks he named that would have been on Bat 3 if things had gone right, Jim isn't Springsteen when it comes to prolific writing - he and Meat didn't go through twenty unnecessary songs in each recording session which could then be stored away to be released later. Jim wrote what was needed for each album and that was pretty much it - anything else had another home to go to, but in the grand scheme I believe that is now it.

So, in the main, Jim's work is now historical and they are the versions that will live on - the same way no one says "Hey we need to keep Beethoven's music alive, let's get Miley Cyrus to do an album of it". The work of classic composers hasn't died out yet and they have been around a lot longer than these songs. They are passed from generation to generation as they are, they don't necessarily need to new versions. I listened to Meat from 5 years old because of my dad, my two kids listen to it because of me, in twenty years time their kids could be listening to it because of them.

That's the way music stays alive, you keep playing it. If you keep creating newer and newer versions, somewhere down the line those finding it won't be bothered to look back 60, 70 80 years to see where it came from or what else that guy wrote, they will just hear the new versions and never experience the originals as they were intended to be heard by the one person who knows better than anyone how they should sound. The same way people will look at the spectacle of Peter Jackson's King Kong with all it's modern tech, and many will never know the existence of a little 1933 move with some of the most technologically advanced stop motion animation of it's time.

There's always something magic, there's always something new...but there's just as much magic to be found in the old and sometimes you really can't beat it. We could record new versions of Thriller, Jailhouse Rock, Stairway To Heaven, Let It Be, Bohemian Rhapsody...but there would always be one version that would outlast all the others. It's the same reason why 1984 Ghostbusters will always be Ghostbusters. Sometimes the magic is in the past and it lives on because that's what real magic does.

[AndrewG]

KEEP BUYING music, keep sharing and pushing new artists and classic artists like Meat etc etc.....after all, have you heard the state of the current music out now!! deplorable crap......so if your picking on Tyce's voice, or any others remember the consequencies years down the road when they simply won't be ANY good music....


I think this is quite subjective about "won't be ANY good music". There is always good music being made somewhere, film music, indie artists, some popular artists etc. In fact it is much easier to make good sounding music at home now. Easier than it has ever been. And other channels are out there which people can explore and find good music. Just turn on spotify and see the countless of moods / playlists etc to have some idea what exactly is out there, eclectic tastes, instrumentals etc....

Like him or not, Ed Sheeran has 16 songs in the UK top 40. Quite an accomplishment to be that popular at a certain time and I believe he writes his own songs. He does this pretty much without gimmicks. Other people like Little Mix, others like Meat Loaf and others still like Tyce Green. But the latter two don't really fall into the popular, massive download buying audience anymore. I think that era is over, but who knows that type of music might come back into the charts. It depends on what the radio plays, what the youth buys and what works well on TV or at festivals I guess.

The choice in music is larger than it has ever been. I think with that should come an acceptance that in the vast number of cases your audience will be small, rather than saying "there is no good music out there." I think that is the easy way out to avoid that acceptance and it is not really true....

[letsgotoofar]

And in addition to the valid points these other posters have raised...

You're posting about this project in a forum devoted to Meat Loaf. Some people are exceptions and have made that known, but the vast majority of people on this forum are only interested in Meat singing Jim's stuff. 'Tis what it is.

Are you really that shocked and stunned by the reception this album received on this site? Might want to brush up on how to gauge your audience.

(Sad part is, I bet he'll zero in more on what I had to say than on what the other replies had to say, if he comes back to read it and responds. Quel dommage.)

[Adje]

have you heard the state of the current music out now!! deplorable crap......so if your picking on Tyce's voice, or any others remember the consequencies years down the road when they simply won't be ANY good music....

Ohh damn. I really didn't want to put my opinion in here until i saw this. As if, re-releasing old (maybe even succesful) music, automatically means good music. The Tyce album actually shows the oposite.

I listened to the album. Twice. To put it blank, this is not a good album.

There are many issues I have with the album (not Meat Loaf compared or related)

First of, Tyce voice sounds forced. Maybe he was holding back, maybe he couldn't find the right way to sing the songs, maybe he wanted to achieve something different. Whatever the reason, his singing sounds unnantural and at times (most of them) is unpleasant to listen to.

Secondly, the breathing space is mentioned earlier. Especially a song like Total Eclipse sounds rushed. Listening to it, I was wondering if the singer was late for the last train home.

Thirdly, The screamfest that is All coming back to me now. I wonder what you guys were thinking. The song is unnecersarly loud and Tyce's voice is all over the place but it sounds as if it's never where it should be. (this was the case with more songs but especially with this track it is almost unbarebal to listen to)

Fourth, The loud thing seems an issue. It seems that the lack of being able to add emotion to the songs is covered with loud singing. The loudness doesn't add anything to the songs except for being loud. As with my first point, it doesnt help Tyce bringing the songs in a believable manner.

In fact, if I listen to Tyce (on this album) he sounds like an 'X-factor / Country Got Talent' competetor who sings poppy but tries to add emotion. It falls flat and fails in it's meaning. I never, in none of the songs, believed Tyce, which, listening to some of the lyrics, is kind of a problem.

Finally I think the production team didn't help the artist on this album.

All in all I was very dissapointed by the performance and production of this album. I got a digital copy for free and should have trust myself when I said "don't listen to it. Tyce is not your cup of tea." I just didn't expect it to be this bad.

I know it is a very harsh reply, but I don't think Tyce is the one to keep JS' legacy up. And I don't think it's a good thing for JS' music if this is the way his music is being portrayed for the next generation.

But that is just my opinion. I still wish Tyce all the luck in the World. I still don't think he is the artist for me, and I hope Tyce will put his focus on a different range, because Steinman is clearly not his strong point. And that also goes for the production team.

[loaferman61]

I gave it a couple of plays mostly out of curiosity. I may as well throw in a few opinions as well.

Totally pedestrian. No passion at all. OK singer but nothing special. He over sings a lot.

He doesn't have an ounce of the feeling that Meat Loaf or even Bonnie Tyler would inject into the songs.

I compared the line "you turned her into a ghost but she'll be burning when the night is done" between Tyce and Loaf and it was night and day difference on emotion.

I know Tyce is singing the songs just as written (maybe the view of a gay man) but singing the Bonnie Tyler songs exactly as written was just dumb. On total eclipse the line "you'll always be the only boy" just does not fit. It stands there awkward as hell. Had he done "Ravishing" would he have done the line about wearing a dress?


Meat can be under par at times but he always got exactly what needed to be done and interpreted the song as opposed to shouting it. Tyce has not yet developed the same kind of song interpretation skills. Maybe he will.

To me it is just a decent singer doing rote vocals on classic songs. On the plus side the new arrangements are interesting, even if they don't always work they are trying .

[mindnick1]

I respect everyone and everyones opinion, if you could please tell me where you got a free digital copy from i would appreciate it..

"I got a digital copy for free"

[MarkS]

The songs that work for me are, left in the dark, holding out for a hero, I'll kill you if you don't come back. All of these are decent versions.

I will say that it's just someone singing the songs, I don't think he owns Any of them the way meat or even bonnie can

[nightinr]

I think there are a lot of disrespectful comments on here regarding Tyce. I think his vocals are great and on the whole I really enjoy the album.

There was talk of a UK tour....any news on dates, venues etc?

[mindnick1]

Yes there are uk dates in the works, still early, if we can make it happen it will be the end of the year, however i wont be talking about it on here as it will likely be the wrong venues, wrong seats, too expensive, too cheap, too loud, too quiet, took long and too much fun!!!! If anyone wants to know about it just friend me on facebook where we can be friends and i can control the madness!!
Fb Nickyjames

I think there are a lot of disrespectful comments on here regarding Tyce. I think his vocals are great and on the whole I really enjoy the album.

There was talk of a UK tour....any news on dates, venues etc?

[Monstro]

however i wont be talking about it on here as it will likely be the wrong venues, wrong seats, too expensive, too cheap, too loud, too quiet, took long and too much fun!!!! If anyone wants to know about it just friend me on facebook where we can be friends and i can control the madness!!


Just to stand up a tad for our clan here I don't think it's madness, from what I can see you've got both people who like it and people who don't and neither party has crossed any line, what I've read has been posted objectively and honestly.

Jeez, you should read what they write about Meat :D

[mindnick1]

I agree no one has crossed any lines...
I dread to think what was said about Meat and his last album, in fact i dont want to know!! Thats very sad to hear

Just to stand up a tad for our clan here I don't think it's madness, from what I can see you've got both people who like it and people who don't and neither party has crossed any line, what I've read has been posted objectively and honestly.

Jeez, you should read what they write about Meat :D

[loaferman61]

Just to stand up a tad for our clan here I don't think it's madness, from what I can see you've got both people who like it and people who don't and neither party has crossed any line, what I've read has been posted objectively and honestly.

Jeez, you should read what they write about Meat :D

I think this thread has been a lot of advertising that Tyce was releasing an album. Anyone who has read it has awareness of it. People are going to have reactions to it that might not be all glowing positives.

[K1ttycat]

I've only listened to the first disc once - haven't listened to the acoustic songs yet - but overall, I like it. I think Tyce's voice gives it a modern edge with a hint of teenage/YA angst. Some of the songs are on the shouty side, but these remind me of more alternative rock/Green Day type of singing and if part of the purpose of the album is to draw a new generation of listeners into Jim's music, then this is one way to get them to listen.

[roomster]

Will the album be available in Spotify or Tidal? Its not now...

[loaferman61]

Will the album be available in Spotify or Tidal? Its not now...

I saw that Tyce said on Twitter they did not pay enough to cover his rent. If he was more established I could see the point, but the younger audience being spoken of uses those services and could discover him. Right now over 90% of the listeners are hardcore Steinman fans. Not enough people of most any age buy CD's now, especially from unknown or lesser known artists.

[Monstro]

Not enough people of most any age buy CD's now, especially from unknown or lesser known artists.

I tend to stream before I buy now, if I like it I download it or buy the CD, though that wouldn't be an option for what the Tyce one would cost me.

[mindnick1]

Will the album be available in Spotify or Tidal? Its not now...

Sorry but not for a while, we as the Tyce crew and label are strongly against streaming for a new artists, older artists have made their money several times over with Lps. Cassettes, then Cds etc etc, so its fine for them, most of these older artists have been paid 2/3 times over for the same product......if a new artist who is not on a major label streams then that artist barley gets a penny per stream, everyone has to pay bills, imagine splitting a penny with everyone who owns the album......it just would not happen and there would be no album.....if anyone thinks we are making bank on this they are truly mistaken, in fact for most of us involved this is a BILL each month and NOT income!!

We are on a small label with limited resources, so getting the CD in stores overseas is not easy, so its best to order from Broadwayrecords.com, however i get it with the shipping etc......so if ANYONE wants to buy this through ME directly i will ship it to ANYWHERE in the world for FREE, i think broadway are charging $20 for the double CD, so if anyone wants one PM me and i will work out the details......fyi i am not running off with your money lol, i have known Andy King for almost 30 years, we met at a Meat show in Harrogate, Lost Boys tour, yes I'm from the UK originally (stockport) and got out to LA many moons ago to play music!! i just want this music to be available as much as possible....

Nick

[eltmatt]

Hmm it is tempting to buy a CD :p if you ever manage to get some UK gigs, please come up north! Who is Andy King?

[AndyK]

Hmm it is tempting to buy a CD :p if you ever manage to get some UK gigs, please come up north! Who is Andy King?

No idea ;)

Oh wait, yeah that's me.

[Adje]

I respect everyone and everyones opinion, if you could please tell me where you got a free digital copy from i would appreciate it..

Serioulsy?

I could tell you that I got a free amazon gift card. But the truth is that google is today's man's best friend.

[mindnick1]

Serioulsy?

I could tell you that I got a free amazon gift card. But the truth is that google is today's man's best friend.

Why so combative?

I just want to know if there is a link to an ilegal download to the music i spent a year making and crafting, and spending a crap load of money on, i know you dont like the album and thats fine, but thats not the point, you said you did a "google" search and you got it for free?

[Adje]

Why so combative?
Oh it's not meant combative. But as a man from the music buisiness you should know how things go these days (years). Even Star Wars was already available in digital 1080p edition before they released the official digital version (not to mention the bluray itself in April). It's the internet area. It's not a question if it's leaked, but when. Tyce's CD didn't last a day I believe.

And to be frank, I always check it in the free digital world before I decide to buy myself a copy And I buy a lot, (mainly BluRay discs) but thankfully I can now see/hear if it's worth my money, taste-wise ;-)

[mindnick1]

Oh it's not meant combative. But as a man from the music buisiness you should know how things go these days (years). Even Star Wars was already available in digital 1080p edition before they released the official digital version (not to mention the bluray itself in April). It's the internet area. It's not a question if it's leaked, but when. Tyce's CD didn't last a day I believe.

And to be frank, I always check it in the free digital world before I decide to buy myself a copy And I buy a lot, (mainly BluRay discs) but thankfully I can now see/hear if it's worth my money, taste-wise ;-)

I surely do know how it works trust me!!!, but just because others have loaded it for illegal free downloads or whatever does not mean i can't try to remedy the issue, and keep the few pennies we make in our pockets instead of a bootlegger......so what is the exact issue with revealing where you got this from? i googled and am pretty resourceful and did not find much, why not PM me the link where you got it so i can have it taken down? this way Jim can get his due royalties also.....

Nick

[Adje]

For the reason I mentioned earlier, I am not really interested in giving my source. In this case I decided not to buy the album. In other cases this source has me spending money for finding material there, that I wanted to own and bought. I know more people like me use that place for the same reasons.

Anyway, if you're not able to find it, maybe it means you have nothing to worry about.

And no, I'm not going to give anyone else here the link to my source. ;-)

[mindnick1]

For the reason I mentioned earlier, I am not really interested in giving my source. In this case I decided not to buy the album. In other cases this source has me spending money for finding material there, that I wanted to own and bought. I know more people like me use that place for the same reasons.

Anyway, if you're not able to find it, maybe it means you have nothing to worry about.

And no, I'm not going to give anyone else here the link to my source. ;-)

So right, exactly what i was getting at, you stole the music of Broadway Records, Tyce, me and Zak the producer, and Jim Steinman for that matter, regardless if you liked it or not you stole it to save a couple dollars/euros to see if you liked it or not......congrats on ripping off a new artist...and likely many more

[loaferman61]

The fact is that more people today want to hear what they are potentially buying and as we say in the country Tyce Green is a "pig in a poke". Most people never heard of him, maybe they will someday but counting on people to just blindly buy his CD is probably unrealistic.

Whether or not that is technically "right" is an entirely other issue. I have heard songs playing in stores and bought the song, but there I had exposure to the song. Where do you get that with Tyce? It is basically saying I like Jim Steinman songs so I will just track down this relative unknown and buy what he is selling.

Things just don't work that way now because other ways are available if you know how to search. It used to be that you heard the song on the radio but that is very difficult for new artists now.

If I invest $20 in a CD and toss it in the bin or resell it on ebay because I don't like it I had to find an artist with almost zero promotion and buy on blind faith or I can just take a listen - just one listen and if I like it I buy it.

It is not like at least 90% of internet savvy people have not done this. It is just the way of the world now and expecting someone to track it down with no publicity and blindly fork over $20 is just not practical.

Legality is another thing, but the pragmatic way of the world is what it is. Unless someone can plead innocent to ever downloading it is a part of everyday life now - right or wrong.

[mindnick1]

So funny but we thought of this prior to release, and there have been samples online and guess what, samples of every song have been available at

http://www.broadwayrecords.com/cds/tyce-hero

You can listen to every song on the album and deterimne if you like it and buy it or not, So searching out illegal dowloand websites under the umbrella that you wanted to try the product first is a mute point when a simple seach for Broadway Records would have got you what you want....so then it was a choice to steal the enitre album, and not a "trial" because you did not want to waste your money.

[loaferman61]

So funny but we thought of this prior to release, and there have been samples online and guess what, samples of every song have been available at

http://www.broadwayrecords.com/cds/tyce-hero

You can listen to every song on the album and deterimne if you like it and buy it or not, So searching out illegal dowloand websites under the umbrella that you wanted to try the product first is a mute point when a simple seach for Broadway Records would have got you what you want....so then it was a choice to steal the enitre album, and not a "trial" because you did not want to waste your money.

A 30 second snippet of a Jim Steinman length song isn't that telling. I wanted to buy 2 tracks I thought had potential but I have Android devices so no itunes. I looked on Amazon but it was not there digitally. I even asked about it on here. I would have bought at least those 2 tracks had they been on a platform I can use.

Even Meat Loaf had BTWA out everywhere weeks before the physical CD came out. A lot of people listened to it online and said they sis not like the vocals and would not purchase it.

How many among us has never downloaded something we did not pay for? I'm not saying it is a good thing to do. Should I buy the CD now even though I mostly disliked it? Had I liked it I certainly would have purchased.

[mindnick1]

So now were going to hide behind a 30 sec snippet is not long enougth so we go out and steal? Funny....most people in the uk who bought the cd (legally) are just getting their copy now, they ordered and waited patiently....

I would not want anyone to buy it that does not like it, so the answer is no i dont think you should buy it if you dont like it..

[mindnick1]

Lets see how many people will openly admit to stealing Meats music?

[duke knooby]

samples vs "you can listen to every song on the album and determine if you like it and buy it or not".

i'm old school, analogue in a digital world, back in my day, i could go to a newsagents, and lift a magazine of the shelf and have a flick through, if i liked and was interested, i could buy it, if not back on the shelf it went.

as a car guy, i would want a full in depth test drive to get to know the product before i hand over hard earned cash, that might be influenced by product reviews and knowledge of the manufacturers previous models.

then we had songs on radio, and performances on tv, all great samples as such, to hook a listener.

but with a new performer to the market, i think it may be madness to rely on the tried and tested methods of 20 or 30 years ago, the ed sheerans and biebers of this world would have got nowhere without the exposure of the internet

and for the record, i haven't heard any of tyce's album

i don't do long posts, i do random drunk thoughts, and that post took a longgggggg time to piece together lol

[loaferman61]

samples vs "you can listen to every song on the album and determine if you like it and buy it or not".

i'm old school, analogue in a digital world, back in my day, i could go to a newsagents, and lift a magazine of the shelf and have a flick through, if i liked and was interested, i could buy it, if not back on the shelf it went.

as a car guy, i would want a full in depth test drive to get to know the product before i hand over hard earned cash, that might be influenced by product reviews and knowledge of the manufacturers previous models.

then we had songs on radio, and performances on tv, all great samples as such, to hook a listener.

but with a new performer to the market, i think it may be madness to rely on the tried and tested methods of 20 or 30 years ago, the ed sheerans and biebers of this world would have got nowhere without the exposure of the internet

and for the record, i haven't heard any of tyce's album

i don't do long posts, i do random drunk thoughts, and that post took a longgggggg time to piece together lol

CD stores used to have listening stations. Bookstores now are coffee shops where you can actually sit and read printed material offered for sale. If you buy a book it is practically a used book. It is what it is. I shouldn't have listened to it and I didn't keep it. Had I wanted to keep it I would have purchased it. I wanted to purchase 2 tracks as a legal sample but I don't have an Apple phone any more (see my earlier posts). I'm not sure how an unknown artist is going to ever be known today, I just won't buy anything by anyone I don't know and have not heard in the future.
Listening to it online was wrong.

[anotherday]

*popcorn*

[letsgotoofar]

I'm with anotherday. It's devolved into a thread-length edition of

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/304/old.jpg

[PanicLord]

One thing that is odd, is that my CD of Hero, which I'm still enjoying by the way, won't play at all or even be recognised on my computer. Very odd as I want to rip the MP3s so I can play them in the car. Will try on my laptop but it's the first time it's ever happened...

[duke knooby]

apologies, madness was wrong. It's the usual frustration of trying to get new music and artists out there. Chicken and egg scenarios, how to build an audience and support. How to get the music heard. There's no simple formula

[Sebastian.]

Just bought this.... really enjoying it. The arrangements are great. Tyce isn't trying to be Meat and really holds his own.

Congrats to Nick, Tyce and everyone else!

[ashkent7]

Lets see how many people will openly admit to stealing Meats music?

Me. Flash back to 2006 and the entire Bat 3 album was played on a special radio show before its release. Someone recorded it, shared it on YouTube and I downloaded it. When Hell In A Handbasket was released in Australia six months before anywhere else, I downloaded it again from YouTube. In both cases I still bought the album later.

But i kind of get the new artist thing. I heard Ivy Lavern on the new Rocky Horror heap of sh... She didn't really sing my style of music but i found her album on YouTube so i listened to it...or stole it if you want. I listened to it twice and decided I actually liked a lot of it so tracked it down and bought it. If I hadn't been able to do it or didn't like it, I probably wouldn't have bought it so it swings both ways. If i hadn't been able to listen to it, i wouldn't have bought it. If i listened to it and didn't like it, i wouldn't have bought it. If I had been forced to buy it to hear it and didn't like it there's that wonderful distance selling clause where you can pretty much return anything to Amazon so i would have returned it. So, unless I liked it when i heard it, however i heard it, they wouldn't have gotten a sale.

In a way though, for years our library has had CDs that you can take out the same as books. I haven't taken any out for years, but I used to frequently take out CDs and rip them to my Ipod. Is that any different? I don't really think my local library will be giving out royalties based on the number of times an album is checked out so it's just the same thing.

[mindnick1]

Just bought this.... really enjoying it. The arrangements are great. Tyce isn't trying to be Meat and really holds his own.

Congrats to Nick, Tyce and everyone else!

Thanks for "buying" this Seb!!! Keeping music alive!!!!!
See you on the uk tour!!!

Nick

[Michael Marxen]

Hero is obviously done with enthusiasm for SteinMeatmusic.
One of its masterminds comes here, explains details and all we do is mostly tear him apart?!

C`mon, lets give Nick a break. I sympasize with all his statements - as much as I sympasize with the acoustic CD.
HOFAH, EIP, IGLHFBOU and FCOL are on heavy rotation for days now. Even more respect to Tyce and Zakk if thats all done in just one take!
The regular CD and Tyce using the high register less so. But probably impossible to touch "our" holy SteinMeat blueprints and keep us satisfied anyhow.

Even if its "just" covers and Jims ("creative consultant") influence might have been overexposed, its a brave achievement.
Thanks Nick and everyone involved! Good luck with spreading Jims genius your way. And thanks for coming here and share insides despite its less than rewarding.

[mindnick1]

Hero is obviously done with enthusiasm for SteinMeatmusic.
One of its masterminds comes here, explains details and all we do is mostly tear him apart?!

C`mon, lets give Nick a break. I sympasize with all his statements - as much as I sympasize with the acoustic CD.
HOFAH, EIP, IGLHFBOU and FCOL are on heavy rotation for days now. Even more respect to Tyce and Zakk if thats all done in just one take!
The regular CD and Tyce using the high register less so. But probably impossible to touch "our" holy SteinMeat blueprints and keep us satisfied anyhow.

Even if its "just" covers and Jims ("creative consultant") influence might have been overexposed, its a brave achievement.
Thanks Nick and everyone involved! Good luck with spreading Jims genius your way. And thanks for coming here and share insides despite its less than rewarding.


The voice of reason! Thanks so much Michael!!! Love what you had to say, and this project has been a emotional drain on finances and life, for lots of reasons, then i come hear where everyone loves Stein meat and boom i get kicked in the teeth repeatadly for calling people out who have clearly stolen mine and Jims music, blows my mind.... but then your support!!! Thanks so much

The acoustic cd was 100% one take no edits, you can even hear the odd mistake that we did not fix, you can hear the rattle of a snare drum on AFL...you can here some pitch issues, but none of that matters, the essence of the performances was what mattered....and captured forever.......still to be confirmend is an acosutic private show from NYC April 5th...basisally disc 2 live....anyone who friends me will be able to see it live as i will stream in fb ..negative and over crical people i will just delete....find me....

There are about 20 invites for any local NYC folk who want to come for free so long as you have purchased a cd or download..there is a seat and invite for Jim also...

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[tonyloaf]

thanks for all the info Nicky

[mindnick1]

https://www.concertwindow.com/160696-tyce

Only $5

Nick

[proctorloaf]

When is Tyce - Surfs Up coming out Nick?

[madagascar]

Totally true. Tink is 'Not Allowed to Love' Strat

Again, not true. pm for further info. :oops:

[proctorloaf]

Have you seen Bat out of Hell the Musical?

[eltmatt]

Clearly hasn't. I saw it for the 3rd time the other week and Strat actually kissed Tink on the lips.

There's an article in Gaytimes magazine with Andrew Polec the main strat and he even mentions there's gay love in the musical.

[Danny L]

Clearly hasn't. I saw it for the 3rd time the other week and Strat actually kissed Tink on the lips.

There's an article in Gaytimes magazine with Andrew Polec the main strat and he even mentions there's gay love in the musical.

In one ensemble point there are definitely same sex pairs dancing.

[eltmatt]

Yes that as well^

[mindnick1]

When is Tyce - Surfs Up coming out Nick?

defiantly on the list, and likely next :), along with a few other gems.....what else would anyone like redone or reinvented by Tyce, me and Zak....

nicky

[letsgotoofar]

Okay, this one's a bit out of left field, but hear me out: "Stark Raving Love" is the perfect choice for a redo/reinvention. Justification, ahoy!


It wasn't favored with the most memorable production or arrangement the first time around (aside from the prominent melodic motif that was reused in the original version of "Hero"... okay, and Davey Johnstone's multiple guitar finale)
As a consequence, it doesn't get nearly as much attention as other Jim songs
The two points above, combined, would theoretically allow one to really put their own stamp on it without having to fight an uphill battle against people's fond memories of the original song or a particular arrangement of it


In fact, "Stark Raving Love" is so underrated that many Jim fans don't even consider it a favorite. It's the perfect opportunity to tilt perceptions of the song on their heads and really turn the beat around. (Hehe... see why I did there? You like it, don't lie.)

[AndrewG]

Probably unlikely to record Stark if quite a bit of the focus was on Holding Out For a Hero so recently I think.

Love hearing that somewhat slowed down riff though on the original even if Stark sounds a bit underdeveloped (the re-use of the Lost Boys/Golden Girls bit, is a bit meh). The guitar duel at the end on the original is awesome however. Probably would have preferred this on Bat 3 or on Braver instead of some of the songs we did get such as "What if God could talk" / "Cry Over Me" / "Who needs the young".
In fact Stark would have made a killer opening tune on Braver in comparison to the bizarre circus thing we got I think. Perhaps remove the fade out at the end and tag on a proper ending then lead on into GATW. Since some of the rest of the stuff on Braver was from the original ideas before they got recycled "Turn around", there was no reason to avoid that song I think. (Other than not being able to say "this is the first song Jim wrote and was going to be on Bat" - I still don't think it matters when a song sounds so polarising. Stark would have suited the Crook guitar production too I reckon.

Certainly more interesting for anyone recording that song than the more overly popular songs at this stage.

[letsgotoofar]

Probably unlikely to record Stark if quite a bit of the focus was on Holding Out For a Hero so recently I think.

If memory serves, though, their arrangement of "Hero" didn't even use that riff. Granted, I haven't listened to Tyce's in a while (CD player is in the shop), but I'm pretty sure the arrangement made a point of being very different from the original. Hell, going back to the Over the Top (later Dream Engine) arrangement used at early gigs, the riff only existed as a piano intro, and then the rest of the song dispensed with it completely. Seems to me if they didn't include the riff, they can tackle the song it originated in with no trouble.

Certainly more interesting for anyone recording that song than the more overly popular songs at this stage.

On that we can agree for sure!

[mindnick1]

We did use the riff once close to the begining, it is buried in the mix a little more than i would have liked but it is there, we put it in as a "nod" to the original..

Nick

[nightinr]

Any news on the UK tour Nick?

[mindnick1]

Any news on the UK tour Nick?

we are looking at a short east coast US tour Sept/Oct this year and the UK for April/May 2018

[Meat Loaf_fan]

My CD arrived two days ago. I was (and still is) very happy with that. :-) The first (studio) CD was made big impression to me. It's fantastic! :cool:

Songs that made biggest impression to me:
1. Holding Out For A Hero - wow :cool: ...it's more rockier than Bonnie Tyler's version. In other words: Bonnie did very good job, but Tyce version is stellar; it's so good that it should be big hit in Tyce concerts;
5. Total Eclipse Of The Heart - very good cover (and, perhaps, better than original);
6. It's All Coming Back To Me Now - superb job done by Tyce! :up:
7. I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us - I was shocked when I hear this. Why? I think that melody is better than in Meat's version.
8. Objects In The Rear View Mirror May Appear Closer Than They Are - another fantastic interpretation done by Tyce (and crew) :cool:.

Second (acoustic) CD is also very good! :-) I think that all songs (their interpretation) are superb, and "For Crying Out Loud" is the king among them. :-)


PS. I will buy another Tyce CD, because he proved that he is fantastic singer. :-)

[MarkS]

we are looking at a short east coast US tour Sept/Oct this year and the UK for April/May 2018

The more I listen to this album the more I have just fallen in love with it and can't wait to hear more.

Probably wishful thinking on my part, but any chance that Nashville or Atlanta makes that US tour. I would drive to one or both honestly.

[mindnick1]

My CD arrived two days ago. I was (and still is) very happy with that. :-) The first (studio) CD was made big impression to me. It's fantastic! :cool:

Songs that made biggest impression to me:
1. Holding Out For A Hero - wow :cool: ...it's more rockier than Bonnie Tyler's version. In other words: Bonnie did very good job, but Tyce version is stellar; it's so good that it should be big hit in Tyce concerts;
5. Total Eclipse Of The Heart - very good cover (and, perhaps, better than original);
6. It's All Coming Back To Me Now - superb job done by Tyce! :up:
7. I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us - I was shocked when I hear this. Why? I think that melody is better than in Meat's version.
8. Objects In The Rear View Mirror May Appear Closer Than They Are - another fantastic interpretation done by Tyce (and crew) :cool:.

Second (acoustic) CD is also very good! :-) I think that all songs (their interpretation) are superb, and "For Crying Out Loud" is the king among them. :-)


PS. I will buy another Tyce CD, because he proved that he is fantastic singer. :-)

Wow what a review, this makes it all worth it, such amazing compliments!!!!
Reallly wish we could make it to Poland for some shows!! You never know!!!!
If you are ever in the USA please let us know!!!!!

[mindnick1]

The more I listen to this album the more I have just fallen in love with it and can't wait to hear more.


Probably wishful thinking on my part, but any chance that Nashville or Atlanta makes that US tour. I would drive to one or both honestly.

more!!? How did you know hahh!!! We will be in Nashville July to record 3 more!!

There is a strong chance of a Nashville show, i know the booker was working on it, the main producer of Hero Zak lives is Nash, so we may actually rehearse there prior
Confirmed dates, orhers to follow
Nyc sept 27
Phili sept 28
Cleveland sep 29
Chicago sep 30

[MarkS]

more!!? How did you know hahh!!! We will be in Nashville July to record 3 more!!

There is a strong chance of a Nashville show, 0

Excellent news on both accounts. I'm about 90 minutes from Nashville so I'm all over that show if it comes to fruition

[2jaxx]

...so then it was a choice to steal the enitre album, and not a "trial" because you did not want to waste your money.

I think this opinion is really bad for business and doesn't let you look good.It might prevent some potential buyers from buying anything from you. I stopped buying magazines where the clerk told me in a harsh tone I couldn't browse all the magazines and then decide to buy them.
I remember Lars Ulrich once said he doesn't need a fan who copies his music. That guy who copies it is still a fan. He is a potential customer, a potential ticket buyer and a potential merch buyer. Maybe he would never buy the music if he never had the chance to listen to the whole thing. And what does one steal who doesn't take anything from you. Do you have less of it now? The term stealing is very polemic in this context. I have bought a lot of music I have copied before. I always had a specific budget for music. I would say I have bought more since copying has become so easy. But I never would have had the budget to buy everything.
I still can become a fan and go to a concert, still generate income for the musicians I like without having bought an album. Copying is actually free promotion!
I certainly prefer streaming services for this purpose, there is still some money going directly to the artists, that's a plus. But I think we have to start embracing the idea that anyone listening to the music can be a worthy fan.
Of course leaking before release is still piracy.
It is ripping you off the chance to determine the right moment to publish the music.

[mindnick1]

The music was downloaded and passed around the day it was released..totally wrong!! And yes we artist do get paid from streaming, i have lots of other music out there and my retirement check just came in for this month and I made $8!!! So when someone openly steals my art I will call them out in it...well carry on (if you do) downloading music so the artist does not get paid, then when you hear yourself in years to come say “wow so much garbage music out there” you will then understand why...all the musicians will be gone....and no organic music will be left...carry on mark my words.

Respectfully i 100% disagree with every word you said.

[2jaxx]

Well you keep on using the term "steal", and that term is totally wrong. Is walking into a museum and taking one of the pictures the same thing as taking a photograph? You should embrace the idea that there are actually people who buy records after listening to a ripped copy. I have done so many times. Those are records I wouldn't have bought otherwise. In the past, passing on tapes was a way to promote music to friends, who later often bought records and went to shows. Consider that not everyone who gets his hands on a copy would have bought the record in the first place. But it is a way to spread the word about your art.
Now talking the way you do could actually put some people off. And it paints a picture of a desperate salesman who would put up higher price tags to compensate for a decline in sales. Just my two cents.

[mindnick1]

Well you keep on using the term "steal", and that term is totally wrong. Is walking into a museum and taking one of the pictures the same thing as taking a photograph? You should embrace the idea that there are actually people who buy records after listening to a ripped copy. I have done so many times. Those are records I wouldn't have bought otherwise. In the past, passing on tapes was a way to promote music to friends, who later often bought records and went to shows. Consider that not everyone who gets his hands on a copy would have bought the record in the first place. But it is a way to spread the word about your art.
Now talking the way you do could actually put some people off. And it paints a picture of a desperate salesman who would put up higher price tags to compensate for a decline in sales. Just my two cents.

Here is the definition of "Steal"..
"to take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it"

We did not give anyone the legal right to take our material without paying, and the other persons property (mine) was taken without any payment to the label.......so thats why i use and will continue to use the word steal...

I am open to a proper discussion, but please don't be disrespectful buy calling me a desperate salesman.....in fact i have offered free albums out of my pocket to some people on here and other sites who could not afford it....our sales are doing fine....I am a musician and illegal downloads takes food off my table...this whole notion of...well let me download it first then i will buy it is complete nonsense, you may go out and buy it after, but generally that is not what people do...they may say so....but really come on...its a cop out and an easy thing to say to save face...obv not you....what set me off here on this site is that someone openly bragged about illegally downloading and spreading the album all over the web the day it was released.

I know Meat feels the same way....how do i know? well he told me.....I met him in the thanks to my friend Bob Kulick, he invited to the dressing room where he said he would have Meat sign my albums, i was young at the time so really had no clue what Meat was really talking about when he refused to sign a bootleg album i had.....I went on to become a musician and now totally understand why he would not sign it...

Anyway....do you have there HERO album? CD or Download?

NJ

[Adje]

what set me off here on this site is that someone openly bragged about illegally downloading and spreading the album all over the web the day it was released.


NJ

Wrong!

Download, yes. Spreading, no.
And I had nothing about the album to bragg about, anyway.

Please keep your facts straight :cool:

[mindnick1]

Wrong!

Download, yes. Spreading, no.
And I had nothing about the album to bragg about, anyway.

Please keep your facts straight :cool:

So lets get one thing straight....this has nothing to do with me trying to sell an album, or bragging about it....everyone has their own opinion and i welcome it all and all positive and negative reviews, if you don't like it thats fine...but not the point.....this discussion is about downloading an album without paying the artist....so lets see, you said above you downloaded the album, lets talk about where you got it from, if you got it from Amazon, iTunes or whatever show me the receipt and i will refund you as you don't like it....no problem there....if you got it from another source where was that? probably another person uploaded it somewhere and SPREAD it around and maybe you got a free copy...lets see where you got it from please so we can have a proper discussion.

[Adje]

Actually, my comment is about you saying:

someone openly bragged about illegally downloading and spreading the album all over the web the day it was released.

I did not brag neither did I spread. But I did download it. It's a classic 'two out of three'. The fact that I obtained this for free, doesn't mean I shared it with others.

As for you calling it 'stealing' is fine by me. I have no problem with you calling it that.

If you mean that others spread this. Sure they did. In fact, I can't imagine any product, available by download, that isn't spread for free. Movies, music, software. Good luck preventing the internet from doing so. This is what you have to deal with. Obviously it's not going away, like it or not. It's the current standard of society. That doesn't mean that it is right, but it does mean you, yes YOU need to make an extra effort for people to BUY it.

And I have a huge collection of BluRay movies and music. And I dare to say that over 75% of my legal collection, I downloaded them for free, before I bought them. And despite what you think, it is not uncommon these days. With all the crap that is coming out, it is impossible to buy everything. And listening to a 30 second clip isn't the same as listening the album at the record store, as I just to do, ages ago. So I am happy with these free srevices. It makes things easier for me to put the money I have with the product I want to spend it on. I am happy to use and benefit from this opportunity. BTW it also means that I threw the Tyce album in my PC trash bin, months ago. In fact, I have only a few free downloads on my PC, and those are waiting to be replaced by 'the real thing'. Either because they are out of stock/no longer available or because I haven't had the time or money to buy them right now.

if you got it from Amazon, iTunes or whatever show me the receipt and i will refund you as you don't like it....no problem there...
I admire that. I wouldn't go too public with that though, from a business point of view. But cudos for that.

As for my source, again, if you can't find it, why worry. It probbably means a lot of people can't. Besides it changes nothing to the discussion.

[mindnick1]

Actually, my comment is about you saying:



I did not brag neither did I spread. But I did download it. It's a classic 'two out of three'. The fact that I obtained this for free, doesn't mean I shared it with others.

As for you calling it 'stealing' is fine by me. I have no problem with you calling it that.

If you mean that others spread this. Sure they did. In fact, I can't imagine any product, available by download, that isn't spread for free. Movies, music, software. Good luck preventing the internet from doing so. This is what you have to deal with. Obviously it's not going away, like it or not. It's the current standard of society. That doesn't mean that it is right, but it does mean you, yes YOU need to make an extra effort for people to BUY it.

And I have a huge collection of BluRay movies and music. And I dare to say that over 75% of my legal collection, I downloaded them for free, before I bought them. And despite what you think, it is not uncommon these days. With all the crap that is coming out, it is impossible to buy everything. And listening to a 30 second clip isn't the same as listening the album at the record store, as I just to do, ages ago. So I am happy with these free srevices. It makes things easier for me to put the money I have with the product I want to spend it on. I am happy to use and benefit from this opportunity. BTW it also means that I threw the Tyce album in my PC trash bin, months ago. In fact, I have only a few free downloads on my PC, and those are waiting to be replaced by 'the real thing'. Either because they are out of stock/no longer available or because I haven't had the time or money to buy them right now.


I admire that. I wouldn't go too public with that though, from a business point of view. But cudos for that.

As for my source, again, if you can't find it, why worry. It probbably means a lot of people can't. Besides it changes nothing to the discussion.

I have no intention of ever trying prevent the internet and downloads etc, that would be insane.....I suppose my mistake is thinking that this site would have some fans who may support and not steal the album.......here is the problem with what your doing.......

Anyone ever wonder why Tribute Bands are so huge? at least here in LA they are huge!!!!.....well its because most music out there is substandard so people automatically go to proven music like Zep and The Beatles, proper music as we may call it, Musicians know they can't make money and survive from releasing albums due to illegal downloading so they hit the tribute scene....Back in the day you bought the CD or Vinyl and helped support the artist etc and they continued to write new music, we are only tackling two cups of coffee here to support new music by the way.......why would anyone write new music or redo old music when its just taken away from them for free?...so they either hit up a tribute band to pay the bills (me I'm in a Joe Cocker Tribute) or they end up getting job out of music......the elite bands still make money from back catalogs etc but new want to be artist are backed in a corner where there only outlet is to try is Idol, the Voice and other BS shows....which are ALL fixed by the way.....so bottom line YOU and others like you are contributing to the downfall of music.......15 years ago i had 40 guitar students, now i have 3........these youngsters are smart by not getting into the biz......so where will good music come from?........these are facts, i live and breath music every day and its super sad when i come to site like this looking for support for a very similar artist who has been backed publicly by jim himself...Did you also download the BOH musical CD? just curious..or how about Braver by Meat, did you also download that.....and if so did you like it enough to go out a purchase it?

NJ

[Adje]

Did you also download the BOH musical CD? just curious..or how about Braver by Meat, did you also download that.....and if so did you like it enough to go out a purchase it?

NJ
Musical, no. Althought I heard songs and they sound too much 'Grease' to me. So, although I had the oportunity, I didn't download as I can't be bothered by it.

Braver, YES. I have 4 copies (3x CD and 1x Vinyl) but I downloaded that one first. To be fair, I would have bought it either way, eventhough I don't find it that interesting to listen to.

As I said, I buy quite a lot, if not, the download ends up in my trash bin. Unless I like it but it's impossible to obtain the product (out of stock and such). Sorry man, Tyce CD, you already know how I graded it. It ended up in the trash bin of my PC. If I had liked it, I would have bought it. I just didn't like it. And if I did not have the oportunity to listen to it in full first, I wouldn't have bought it anyway. Those are the terms I demand from my spending habbits. It's a luxery I have and make use of.

As for the entire 'Music business ends' rant, I disagree. Although times have changed since the internet, I prefer artists that have Heart for their music, not for THE SUCCESS. THAT is the Voice, Got Talent etc. mentallity. Even today, some of the finest bands/artists got their fame by performing live in clubs (or even doing original stuff on YouTube) before they got the succes of becoming selling artists. Besides, I think real quality prevails anyway. Look at the succes of Adele. Adele created three original songs for a class project. She later posted the tracks along with numerous others on her MySpace profile. The tracks went viral and eventually got to executives from XL recordings.

I guess there are 2 ways to look at music. You can see it as an art, or as a business. If you agree that it is a form of art, just like a good painting/painter, there are only a few out of a million that make money. That is keepng the music business alive, because, downloading or no downloadin, quality prevails.

[2jaxx]

Here is the definition of "Steal"..
"to take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it"

We did not give anyone the legal right to take our material without paying, and the other persons property (mine) was taken without any payment to the label.......so thats why i use and will continue to use the word steal...

I am open to a proper discussion, but please don't be disrespectful by calling me a desperate salesman.....in fact i have offered free albums out of my pocket to some people

Anyway....do you have there HERO album? CD or Download?

NJ

I actually got Braver when it came out, although I was looking for a leak, I would have bought it anyway. I had preordered it earlier and so I had it in the mail on the day of release. I do not have the Tyce album yet, but I haven't downloaded it either. I actually haven't heard it yet. But it might be a record I'd like to own.

Concerning the term 'steal', making a duplicate is still not 'taking', giving it back would be useless. So that definition kind of misses the point.

Anyway, I unterstand why you think that way. I did not want to offend you using the 'desperate salesman' comparison. I just wanted to say, be nice to potential customers, or it is even less probable they will buy your product.

[mindnick1]

I actually got Braver when it came out, although I was looking for a leak, I would have bought it anyway. I had preordered it earlier and so I had it in the mail on the day of release. I do not have the Tyce album yet, but I haven't downloaded it either. I actually haven't heard it yet. But it might be a record I'd like to own.

Concerning the term 'steal', making a duplicate is still not 'taking', giving it back would be useless. So that definition kind of misses the point.

Anyway, I unterstand why you think that way. I did not want to offend you using the 'desperate salesman' comparison. I just wanted to say, be nice to potential customers, or it is even less probable they will buy your product.

I totaly (as you know) diagree with downloading leaks etc....I think only a musician may understand 100%.....having said all that you dont have the Tyce album, well if you pay the shipping i will send you a signed copy on me...just inbox me, or you can wait until jan/feb 2018 when Warner Bros release the streaming rights worldwide for all mediums..

NJ

[2jaxx]

I totally (as you know) diagree with downloading leaks etc....I think only a musician may understand 100%.....having said all that you dont have the Tyce album, well if you pay the shipping i will send you a signed copy on me...just inbox me, or you can wait until jan/feb 2018 when Warner Bros release the streaming rights worldwide for all mediums..

NJ

I am a musician myself actually. We have not recorded yet, but dealing with leaks and illegal downloads might actually be something I might be confronted with in the future. This is only hypothecical, but I think, someone showing up at a show after having received a "free" copy of my music, is still someone I appreciate seeing there.

It is understandable that leaks are something the artist and associates want to prevent. Having said that, when I am looking forward to hearing a new recording by one of my favorite artists, I can't wait and I grasp every opportunity there is to listen to the recording earlier.
In this case, as i stated, I had preordered, and I wouldn't have cancelled that order under any circumstance anyway.
So I can live with this sin just fine. If there is a legal streaming option for something I am interested in, I never would use the illegal source. Still, there is the possibility that I want to own a physical copy if the music means something to me.

I see and I understand where you are coming from. But, as Adje says, these days you must try a different approach. It is all about the package and presentation. There are a lot of things you can't properly copy. Think about special editions, cool merchandise, vinyl releases and of course there still are live shows.

[proctorloaf]

This music industry has changed. Artists put out records now purely to gain interest for a tour. Records make no money for an artist, especially if they don't write the material. But they do make $$$ in touring. And I have to say, I do think that's how it should be!

[nightinr]

What happened to the proposed UK tour?

[proctorloaf]

You don't want to know...

[letsgotoofar]

But in case you do... (https://www.broadwayworld.com/board/readmessage.php?thread=1108549&dt=34)

[anotherday]

But in case you do... (https://www.broadwayworld.com/board/readmessage.php?thread=1108549&dt=34)

O...Oh.

:shock:

[nightinr]

Oh

[ajf33]

I never did get around to geting this, mainly because I couldn't find it anywhere to listen to first, so will ask does anyone know if it is available anywhere to listen to, other than just samples, and the odd track thats on youtube?

[letsgotoofar]

Good question, as (since the events in the link above) the label has pulled the physical release of the album from distribution. It seems to still be available on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Hero-Tyce/dp/B06X3ZHVW9), but iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/tyce/203056182) offers only some unrelated singles that he might be involved with (shocker, there's more than one person going by just Tyce out there; I'd wager a guess given his theater background that the cover of the song from Hamilton might be him, but that's about it), and no album. (I mean, there is an iTunes link (https://itunes.apple.com/nz/album/hero/1207165945) to it, but it sends me into a loop that other iTunes pages in my browser don't, causing me to think it was pulled from there as well.)

Ironically, given much of the content of this thread, what was decried initially by one of those involved with it may be the only way the album gets around now...

[ajf33]

Being honest, I could not find a genuine place to get it from, (and I'm not asking as I know it's not allowed!) so, if it is out there to obtain dubiously, then it's well hidden (or ((and sorry for the pun!)) I'm blind as a bat!)

[AndrewG]

Very interesting how this has come to an end considering this guy was carried relentlessly by that Nicki guy here on the forum constantly to try to promote him (he actually did that quite well and with respect to the fanbase). At the same time over on Tyce's public social media platforms I could only ever see him bitch about the president when I checked these out and never saw anything about how much he enjoyed performing Meat's music. Not only is an artist such as that incredibly toxic to have working for you, it's incredibly stupid as you are already dividing a potential fanbase in half for no reason. I have no problem with people disagreeing with a thing here and there what politicians do and if they feel strongly about a certain subject I can understand they take it on board to get people to think about it. But relentlessly going after one politician is just dumb so early on in a career when you are supposed to be doing something positive that is already surrounded by some inevitable rightful criticism (ie aren't you just copying what someone else has done before etc).

I feel sorry for the people (other than Tyce of course) involved who genuinely thought they had a shot at doing something interesting here and probably spent their own money and a lot of time on this project. Also the band members who going from what I heard did a decent job.

Should have auditioned for a better singer (there are far better ones out there, see starnow) and ultimately a better person imo. Shame.

[letsgotoofar]

A lot of American stars -- and wannabes -- are sharing politically motivated messages and not really suffering for it, or at the very least managing to bounce back after a period of time if there is some sort of flak. I would say a combination of -- in my opinion -- not being very good and making a colossal error in judgment (to say the least) in his private life shot him in the foot more so than any political commentary, especially in the current climate of public opinion surrounding such allegations.

[AndrewG]

A lot of American stars -- and wannabes -- are sharing politically motivated messages and not really suffering for it, or at the very least managing to bounce back after a period of time if there is some sort of flak. I would say a combination of -- in my opinion -- not being very good and making a colossal error in judgment (to say the least) in his private life shot him in the foot more so than any political commentary, especially in the current climate of public opinion surrounding such allegations.

Sure the allegations are far worse.

I just think the political commentary was an insult to whoever paid for the recordings and promo unless that was part of the deal - "Hero" (album name). But I very much doubt that as he just came across as a childish entitled whinging moron and these songs are far removed from political commentary in my opinion and I'm sick of seeing every form of entertainment being politicised.

[eltmatt]

wow!

[ThatWriterGuy]

Funnily enough Tyce approached Jim for a part in the musical, but that was post casting, so it never came to be. Thank F.C.U.K. they dodged that bullet.

[loaferman61]

A lot of American stars -- and wannabes -- are sharing politically motivated messages and not really suffering for it, or at the very least managing to bounce back after a period of time if there is some sort of flak. I would say a combination of -- in my opinion -- not being very good and making a colossal error in judgment (to say the least) in his private life shot him in the foot more so than any political commentary, especially in the current climate of public opinion surrounding such allegations.

In the US entertainment industry political comments are welcomed, just only from one side.

[letsgotoofar]

I ain't touchin' that one; I'm just saying that, at least from where I'm sitting, most people didn't really seem to give a damn about his political comments, but certain allegations in the wake of #MeToo have destroyed a lot more than just his career.

[letsgotoofar]

Well, now there's one more way to evaluate the product... if you have Spotify, the album is now freely available for streaming (https://open.spotify.com/album/7CXgPRGA3isWdDHx4IGQg2?si=nKiAhVenSTyW0ebt9LoheQ).

My two cents? Anyone who knows me on this forum knows I'm usually more a Steinman fan than a Loaf fan, sometimes blindly so. But after listening to some of this, I'm not listening to the full album, and no one on earth could make buying this shit worth my while.

[anotherday]

Well, now there's one more way to evaluate the product... if you have Spotify, the album is now freely available for streaming (https://open.spotify.com/album/7CXgPRGA3isWdDHx4IGQg2?si=nKiAhVenSTyW0ebt9LoheQ).

My two cents? Anyone who knows me on this forum knows I'm usually more a Steinman fan than a Loaf fan, sometimes blindly so. But after listening to some of this, I'm not listening to the full album, and no one on earth could make buying this shit worth my while.

Welp...

That was...........as expected. O_o
:tumble:

[Meat Loaf_fan]

"... this shit ..."

You have every right to have your opinion, and I have every right to have my opinion. To me this album was very good. Of course not on the same level as Meat's album like "Bat Out Of Hell 2" (to me - this is the best Meat album), but still it was very good.
Why I'm saying these things above? Maybe because using word "shit" to express feelings about Tyce album, isn't good thing. It was fine example of what could be done today to Jim Steinman music. Of course some interpretations of the songs were not good, but some were super (especially those two from Bonnie Tyler repertuar).

PS. Although I like his interpretation of some songs, I think that he has done terrible thing to his future plans (and to younger people). Awful ... :evil:

[AndrewG]

Well since I have a spotify account I listened to his rendition of I'll Kill you...
I believe I've never heard anyone cover this song before.

To summarise I shouldn't have bothered.

So horrible.

Like listening to someone trying to play the violin for the first time.

:roll:

[letsgotoofar]

You have every right to have your opinion, and I have every right to have my opinion. To me this album was very good. Of course not on the same level as Meat's album like "Bat Out Of Hell 2" (to me - this is the best Meat album), but still it was very good.
Why I'm saying these things above? Maybe because using word "shit" to express feelings about Tyce album, isn't good thing. It was fine example of what could be done today to Jim Steinman music. Of course some interpretations of the songs were not good, but some were super (especially those two from Bonnie Tyler repertuar).

PS. Although I like his interpretation of some songs, I think that he has done terrible thing to his future plans (and to younger people). Awful ... :evil:

Well, I'm glad you found something to like about the album, and that you had your way of describing it. I didn't find anything to like about it, and I had mine. For my money, a lot better could be done to Jim Steinman's music today than turning it into an endless parade of "hot club play" chart entry attempts, followed by a set of one-take-only "acoustic" covers that might as well be a well-meaning secondary school student completing a project for graduation requirement. And this bloke had the nerve to sell himself as a vocal coach...

[2jaxx]

I kinda liked the production. I think in Paul's productions, the Wall of Sound is a bit lacking. It all sounds too direct, there is a considerable amount of reverb missing and it all sounds a little shallow. I liked the arrangement in some songs on the Tyce release, for example Braver and I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us. I am not a fan of Tyce's Voice though.

[mindnick1]

the album was and is available on all outlets...

to comment on the above...."shit" a bit harsh and rude...how about "i don't like it" your just looking reaction.

"Funnily enough Tyce approached Jim for a part in the musical"

complete BS Tyce was at the workshop in NYC at the same time as the others 2 1/2 years ago, you can see Tyce singing FCOL to jim directy online the night before the original workshop.....get your facts right....you dont have to like Tyce but dont talk about shit you have no clue about...

[anotherday]

the album was and is available on all outlets...

to comment on the above...."shit" a bit harsh and rude...how about "i don't like it" your just looking reaction.

"Funnily enough Tyce approached Jim for a part in the musical"

complete BS Tyce was at the workshop in NYC at the same time as the others 2 1/2 years ago, you can see Tyce singing FCOL to jim directy online the night before the original workshop.....get your facts right....you dont have to like Tyce but dont talk about shit you have no clue about...

The album, IMO, is...In a word: rushed.
It could have been something so much better than it is.
Tyce has a nice voice, and he did do a great job on FCOL during the 54' show(s?)...And I'm sure Jim loved it, but to constantly come here and push an album that most of us aren't that big on is a little silly.

[mindnick1]

its just impossible to win on this site.....when you going to tour? you push the album to much!! you push the album to little!!

i joined this site in Nov 2003 and have made 186 posts thats 18 years so thats 9 posts a year....so hardly coming on here pushing it to much....

[Adje]

So 9 posts a year and mostly just to push a bad album from an unlikely character (or are you just ignoring the elephant in (tyce's) room).

Of course you can win. You even had a few people saying they like the album. If you really wanted to win you should have produced (yes I said produced) a better album with a better suported lead both in as outside the studio.

You coming back here, 45 posts in this topic, is well... you said it best
your just looking reaction.

[letsgotoofar]

Harsh? Rude? Looking for a reaction? Apparently your morning ablutions don't involve a mirror, mate...

[CarylB]

its just impossible to win on this site.....when you going to tour? you push the album to much!! you push the album to little!!

i joined this site in Nov 2003 and have made 186 posts thats 18 years so thats 9 posts a year....so hardly coming on here pushing it to much....

But for the last two years you've only posted once on a thread NOT about Tyce .. I understand why, and I'm sorry you hitched to a wagon that has gone off the rails so badly. But Meat is unique, this is his fansite, and it would be naive to expect comparisons wouldn't be made, and that some will find the album not for them, even criticise it harshly .. they do with Meat for heaven's sake, and Tyce is just not in the same ballpark ;)

[roomster]

the album was and is available on all outlets...

to comment on the above...."shit" a bit harsh and rude...how about "i don't like it" your just looking reaction.

"Funnily enough Tyce approached Jim for a part in the musical"

complete BS Tyce was at the workshop in NYC at the same time as the others 2 1/2 years ago, you can see Tyce singing FCOL to jim directy online the night before the original workshop.....get your facts right....you dont have to like Tyce but dont talk about shit you have no clue about...

I initially enjoyed the album, but the Trump-bashing hypocrite Tyce Green makes it very difficult for me to listen to it now with joy... :angry: :down:

[nightinr]

Just to clarify is the supposed UK tour no longer happening?

[ThatWriterGuy]

"Funnily enough Tyce approached Jim for a part in the musical"

complete BS Tyce was at the workshop in NYC at the same time as the others 2 1/2 years ago, you can see Tyce singing FCOL to jim directy online the night before the original workshop.....get your facts right....you dont have to like Tyce but dont talk about shit you have no clue about...

Nick, you should probably think about who it is that you're talking to. Tyce did, in fact, message Jim for a part in the musical weeks before Manchester previews. By that time it was too late, as all of the parts were cast (which Jim relayed to Tyce at the time).

Maybe you should ask Tyce about it. Just a thought :cool:

[letsgotoofar]

^ Not to mention, it wasn't even a private conversation. Someone could probably scroll through Jim's Facebook page and find the exact thread where (IIRC) Tyce said he hadn't heard they were holding auditions, but wanted to take part, and Jim (IMO) waffled out of it with an "I didn't know you didn't know, but it's happening in the UK, so..." kind of response. He may well have been at the workshop, but it seems that's about where it ended.