Hero-Tyce Track Listing

[mindnick1]

Tyce-Hero Track Listing!!!

The album will be out Feb 17
Art by Borris Valllejo and Julie Bell.

All these tracks are fully produced with live Guitars, Bass, Drums, Piano, Synths, Bvs, Horns, Triangles, the kitchen sink and drain plus MORE.....In other words the production is HUGE!!!

These tracks will be available on ITunes etc as well as physical CDs

1. Holding Out For a Hero (Single Release In Feb)
2. Heaven Can Wait
3. I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back
4. Left In the Dark
5. Total Eclipse Of the Heart
6. It’s all Coming Back to me now
7. I’m Gonna Love Her for both of us
8. Objects in the Rear View Mirror (With Mia Moravis)
9. Braver Than We Are (With Alex Nester)

The below Bonus CD will only be available with purchase of the physical CD only, the tracks were recorded LIVE in a prominent Los Angeles Studio August 2016, No edits, one take each track, Piano and Vocal only…sounds amazing!

1.Holding Out for a Hero
2.Everything Is Permitted
3.Anything for Love
4.I’m Gonna Love Her For Both of us
5.Its all Coming Back to me now
6.More than you Deserve
7.For Crying Out Loud

I really would like to set up a Vinyl limited edition, if we can get enough on board who will buy it then we can make it happen.

Please Please like, buy and share etc, this is all about keeping Jim Steinman's music alive for a new generation, and if this album can be a success there will be more to follow....this is NOT a money making venture trust me, if we were in it for that we would have been out long ago and far away......

Nick

[letsgotoofar]

As there are only 4 songs that don't overlap with the main track listing, why not just make the main album 13 tracks, and then include the songs that do overlap as the bonuses? One would think the piano and vocal only tracks would help the fully produced tracks flow nicely without seeming like intrusions, and we're used to longer albums from Jim and his crew anyway.

[mindnick1]

As there are only 4 songs that don't overlap with the main track listing, why not just make the main album 13 tracks, and then include the songs that do overlap as the bonuses? One would think the piano and vocal only tracks would help the fully produced tracks flow nicely without seeming like intrusions, and we're used to longer albums from Jim and his crew anyway.

The Live Cd is just that, its live and not edited etc, different arangements and not "produced" so it really would not fit with the feel of the Fully Produced album, does that make cense? Also some of the live tunes are in a different key.... also the live stuff is so intimate!!
N

[letsgotoofar]

I'm sorry, but I still don't really see the point. Live and one take shouldn't matter -- some of the best songs in rock history have benefited from sparse production and nailing it in a single take. You're an experienced producer. I'm sure you could find a way for the tracks that don't overlap with the main listing to flow with the present running order. If Jim could fit "Heaven Can Wait" and "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad" into an otherwise full-blast album like Bat, it shouldn't be so hard to fit 4 songs into specific junctures in a list of 9. Rather like creating a mix tape (or, these days, a playlist).

You're of course welcome to your opinion, and I'm not in charge, but it just seems to me like 13 songs and 3 bonus tracks would be nicer bang for the buck, and more in keeping with what fans might expect. (Maybe -- just spit-balling here -- one could even engage in some tomfoolery like a recent renowned singer of Steinman tracks did and label the overlapping bonuses "songwriter demos" for those in the larger market who are not up to speed on what those would sound like. :-P )

My two cents.

[mindnick1]

I'm sorry, but I still don't really see the point. Live and one take shouldn't matter -- some of the best songs in rock history have benefited from sparse production and nailing it in a single take. You're an experienced producer. I'm sure you could find a way for the tracks that don't overlap with the main listing to flow with the present running order. If Jim could fit "Heaven Can Wait" and "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad" into an otherwise full-blast album like Bat, it shouldn't be so hard to fit 4 songs into specific junctures in a list of 9. Rather like creating a mix tape (or, these days, a playlist).

You're of course welcome to your opinion, and I'm not in charge, but it just seems to me like 13 songs and 3 bonus tracks would be nicer bang for the buck, and more in keeping with what fans might expect. (Maybe -- just spit-balling here -- one could even engage in some tomfoolery like a recent renowned singer of Steinman tracks did and label the overlapping bonuses "songwriter demos" for those in the larger market who are not up to speed on what those would sound like. :-P )

My two cents.

Disc 1 is about 50 minutes of Music, Disc 2 about 45min, pretty good value..
No i dont really agree with you but thats ok no worries, there is no way jim and meat did much in one take ever, just poping a "live" track in the middle of an album would kill the flow....either way when you hear it you can better judge at that point..... i hope you can enjoy it
Cheers
Nick

[ashkent7]

For me, there's a couple that more than likely will always sit second to Meat's versions - as much because of Jim's production or influence on them as Meat's delivery - but I like the list. Especially looking forward to seeing the two Dead Ringer tracks get a better production.

As for the second CD, although i think they could have been added on all versions (like the piano demos on the end of Braver on itunes) if they are like the like acoustic stuff I have heard then I think it's right they are segregated in some way.

Roll on February.

[letsgotoofar]

Disc 1 is about 50 minutes of Music, Disc 2 about 45min, pretty good value..

For those buying a hard copy, yeah. In a digital age, length only matters to those with a short attention span. One could hardly argue that applies to fans of Jim and Meat after what we've enjoyed over the years, right? xD

[eltmatt]

As I said on Facebook, im looking forward to this!

[Wario]

Confused about Bravers addition

Why? Meat has just released GATW just seems counter productive

Should've put out a cut of Tyce doing IJWQ or ending with Tonight Is what it means to be young or nowhere fast

[Meat Loaf_fan]

I'm very happy that I will have (when it comes) very good album. :-)

[letsgotoofar]

Confused about Bravers addition

Why? Meat has just released GATW just seems counter productive

Should've put out a cut of Tyce doing IJWQ or ending with Tonight Is what it means to be young or nowhere fast

It's not a recent addition; gossip has counted this song as part of the album almost since they started talking about it.

[mindnick1]

It's not a recent addition; gossip has counted this song as part of the album almost since they started talking about it.

Interesting to hear what we "should" have done, its not quite as easy as you think to say "hey lets do XYZ song" what if the artist has not found the character of that song, or simply does not like it or get it? what if its been done and was deemed not good enough for release? you MUST have heard ML talk about finding the character of Jim's songs over the years.

As far as Including Braver, why not? it was recorded and finalized in June 2016...

And why compare Meat with Tyce, two COMPLETELY different vocalists, with different interpretations and characters of some of the same songs, i can see why some may say it will never compare to Meat without hearing it, and that maybe so and i agree, we are not trying to compete, but this is Music and art so why not just embrace and enjoy what we have, i have spent countless hours and money creating this along with Tyce, Zak and Pat, then it was picked up by a label and Management so things are looking up, this is the music you all love and with the right support we can bring the live show to Europe next year.......i was kind of expecting more of a "Good Luck" or "thanks for keeping the music alive and live" comments....

Nick

[Wario]

Interesting to hear what we "should" have done, its not quite as easy as you think to say "hey lets do XYZ song" what if the artist has not found the character of that song, or simply does not like it or get it? what if its been done and was deemed not good enough for release? you MUST have heard ML talk about finding the character of Jim's songs over the years.

As far as Including Braver, why not? it was recorded and finalized in June 2016...

And why compare Meat with Tyce, two COMPLETELY different vocalists, with different interpretations and characters of some of the same songs, i can see why some may say it will never compare to Meat without hearing it, and that maybe so and i agree, we are not trying to compete, but this is Music and art so why not just embrace and enjoy what we have, i have spent countless hours and money creating this along with Tyce, Zak and Pat, then it was picked up by a label and Management so things are looking up, this is the music you all love and with the right support we can bring the live show to Europe next year.......i was kind of expecting more of a "Good Luck" or "thanks for keeping the music alive and live" comments....

Nick

I was looking at the braver addition from a marketing perspective. Tyce prolly kills it.

I stand corrected, but tyce on those two tracks i said would be LIT

[loaferman61]

Has "Hero" had any lyrical change? I have always thought of that as a woman's song, partially because Bonnie did it. But also from a character perspective. Maybe that is just my "old-school" train of thought showing.

[mindnick1]

Has "Hero" had any lyrical change? I have always thought of that as a woman's song, partially because Bonnie did it. But also from a character perspective. Maybe that is just my "old-school" train of thought showing.

Great question, there are no changes to the lyrics......the original lyrics work fine for Tyce as they are :)

Nick

[letsgotoofar]

Interesting to hear what we "should" have done, its not quite as easy as you think to say "hey lets do XYZ song" what if the artist has not found the character of that song, or simply does not like it or get it? what if its been done and was deemed not good enough for release? you MUST have heard ML talk about finding the character of Jim's songs over the years.

As far as Including Braver, why not? it was recorded and finalized in June 2016...

And why compare Meat with Tyce, two COMPLETELY different vocalists, with different interpretations and characters of some of the same songs, i can see why some may say it will never compare to Meat without hearing it, and that maybe so and i agree, we are not trying to compete, but this is Music and art so why not just embrace and enjoy what we have, i have spent countless hours and money creating this along with Tyce, Zak and Pat, then it was picked up by a label and Management so things are looking up, this is the music you all love and with the right support we can bring the live show to Europe next year.......i was kind of expecting more of a "Good Luck" or "thanks for keeping the music alive and live" comments....

Nick

Now my question is why you're being so damn defensive about it, if this project is everything you wanted it to be and reflects all the great choices you think were made. If this works as it is, why can't you handle somebody spit-balling a few suggestions instead of getting hostile because we're not groveling? Clearly I'm not going to agree with you, and clearly I don't have to, just like you don't have to be so bothered by it. I've been a theatrical producer for 11 years, I know how it feels to put a lot of time and effort into something, but that doesn't mean I can't handle outside suggestions.

Further, we get that you believe in the project, and that Tyce is good at what he does, but you're posting about it on a Meat Loaf fan forum (as opposed to the Rockman or a Steinman fan site), for crying out loud (no pun intended). Maybe you could expect some "good luck" and "thanks for keeping the music alive" here, and indeed I see some of that in the replies, but this is a Meat Loaf forum. Of course they're gonna compare him to Meat Loaf, be it favorably or unfavorably! :roll: I knew that the song was going to be on the album (never mind how), they didn't, but Meat's came out first, so of course his fans will jump to Meat's side and ask why Tyce is "covering" something Meat just did.

I look forward to it either way. I was just expressing some thoughts. You can take them or leave them (looks to me like you'll leave them). Not a big deal, or at least not as big as you're making it.

[mindnick1]

Now my question is why you're being so damn defensive about it, if this project is everything you wanted it to be and reflects all the great choices you think were made. If this works as it is, why can't you handle somebody spit-balling a few suggestions instead of getting hostile because we're not groveling? Clearly I'm not going to agree with you, and clearly I don't have to, just like you don't have to be so bothered by it. I've been a theatrical producer for 11 years, I know how it feels to put a lot of time and effort into something, but that doesn't mean I can't handle outside suggestions.

Further, we get that you believe in the project, and that Tyce is good at what he does, but you're posting about it on a Meat Loaf fan forum (as opposed to the Rockman or a Steinman fan site), for crying out loud (no pun intended). Maybe you could expect some "good luck" and "thanks for keeping the music alive" here, and indeed I see some of that in the replies, but this is a Meat Loaf forum. Of course they're gonna compare him to Meat Loaf, be it favorably or unfavorably! :roll: I knew that the song was going to be on the album (never mind how), they didn't, but Meat's came out first, so of course his fans will jump to Meat's side and ask why Tyce is "covering" something Meat just did.

I look forward to it either way. I was just expressing some thoughts. You can take them or leave them (looks to me like you'll leave them). Not a big deal, or at least not as big as you're making it.

So it was posted on Rockman before here by the way....maybe check some facts first :)...i just don't understand why we would want suggestions when its a finished project, if we wanted suggestions we would have asked before we recorded it, i posted here to inform meat and jim fans about the album, trying to keep the music alive thats all......no need to get upset, lets just try to get along and enjoy some great music.

groveling? huh really? pretty sure this site is Meat and Meat related, if not please someone let me know....and i am not being sarcastic, if i should not be posting on this site please someone tell me....

So you knew Braver was on the album huh.....i highly doubt that

Lets just move on

[AndrewG]

Bizarre to add Braver so soon after the first official commercial release by both Meat and Jim, bizarre to add Hero and All coming back, songs I seriously think are written for female singers (yes even Meat got that wrong but at least it was a duet with a female on it and made somewhat sense). Haven't we had enough covers of that song anyway? Bizarre to get Julie Bell to do the artwork here too (really? :roll:).

Finally I find it bizarre Tyce seems so intent on showing off his disdain towards Trump supporters/voters so early on in his career over and over again to the point he seems to think there is something morally or educationally wrong with these people. Maybe he can afford to do that if he is only targeting the New York, California and UK markets? He writes how much respect he would gain from Trump supporters if they were honest and stop ignoring what they want to ignore. He seems very sure of himself all Trump supporters are doing that. Hmmm.

Look I get the American election was divise but that doesn't mean you should make it worse by keep going on about it when you are starting to market a product. I find it foolish and typically ignorant from young artists these days. Interesting to note that this problem with artists has been discussed on this forum recently.

A cover of Ill kill you is interesting...
But ultimately not for me this Tyce guy, at least not now.

[mindnick1]

Bizarre to add Braver so soon after the first official commercial release by both Meat and Jim, bizarre to add Hero and All coming back, songs I seriously think are written for female singers (yes even Meat got that wrong but at least it was a duet with a female on it and made somewhat sense). Haven't we had enough covers of that song anyway? Bizarre to get Julie Bell to do the artwork here too (really? :roll:).

Finally I find it bizarre Tyce seems so intent on showing off his disdain towards Trump supporters/voters so early on in his career over and over again to the point he seems to think there is something morally or educationally wrong with these people. Maybe he can afford to do that if he is only targeting the New York, California and UK markets? He writes how much respect he would gain from Trump supporters if they were honest and stop ignoring what they want to ignore. He seems very sure of himself all Trump supporters are doing that. Hmmm.

Look I get the American election was divise but that doesn't mean you should make it worse by keep going on about it when you are starting to market a product. I find it foolish and typically ignorant from young artists these days. Interesting to note that this problem with artists has been discussed on this forum recently.

A cover of Ill kill you is interesting...
But ultimately not for me this Tyce guy, at least not now.

Hey Andrew, totally get it, not thrilled with mixing politics and Music either, both should be separated by miles!!!....Julie is the best artist for the project, her art is far superior than most....Braver was recorded months before we heard Meats, Hero may not be as bizarre as you think, it makes cense if you know Tyce as do any other female related songs.....imo there are no boundries in relation to a male singing a female part or vice versa...

This album is designed hopefully for a new generation of Steinman fans, Zak and Tyce are both in their 20s so were -20 when Bat came out!! Imagine that!

Anyway, give it a shot you may like it
Nick

[AndrewG]

Hey Andrew, totally get it, not thrilled with mixing politics and Music either, both should be separated by miles!!!....Julie is the best artist for the project, her art is far superior than most....Braver was recorded months before we heard Meats, Hero may not be as bizarre as you think, it makes cense if you know Tyce as do any other female related songs.....imo there are no boundries in relation to a male singing a female part or vice versa...

This album is designed hopefully for a new generation of Steinman fans, Zak and Tyce are both in their 20s so were -20 when Bat came out!! Imagine that!

Anyway, give it a shot you may like it
Nick

Impressive response.
Thank you.

[PanicLord]

Interesting to hear what we "should" have done, its not quite as easy as you think to say "hey lets do XYZ song" what if the artist has not found the character of that song, or simply does not like it or get it? what if its been done and was deemed not good enough for release? you MUST have heard ML talk about finding the character of Jim's songs over the years.

As far as Including Braver, why not? it was recorded and finalized in June 2016...

And why compare Meat with Tyce, two COMPLETELY different vocalists, with different interpretations and characters of some of the same songs, i can see why some may say it will never compare to Meat without hearing it, and that maybe so and i agree, we are not trying to compete, but this is Music and art so why not just embrace and enjoy what we have, i have spent countless hours and money creating this along with Tyce, Zak and Pat, then it was picked up by a label and Management so things are looking up, this is the music you all love and with the right support we can bring the live show to Europe next year.......i was kind of expecting more of a "Good Luck" or "thanks for keeping the music alive and live" comments....

Nick

Just to say I wish you all the luck in the world with this project, and I can't wait to hear a fresh and exciting new take on this collection of great songs. I hope it helps bring the peerless music of Jim Steinman to a whole new generation of people who may never have considered listening to it before.

All the best.

Simon.

[mindnick1]

Just to say I wish you all the luck in the world with this project, and I can't wait to hear a fresh and exciting new take on this collection of great songs. I hope it helps bring the peerless music of Jim Steinman to a whole new generation of people who may never have considered listening to it before.

All the best.

Simon.

Simon, thanks so much! Thats exactly the goal!!! And written so well, much appreciated!!
Nick

[White of High]

but Meat's came out first, so of course his fans will jump to Meat's side and ask why Tyce is "covering" something Meat just did.

Loving you's a dirty job but somebody's gotta do it. ;)

[AndrewG]

Loving you's a dirty job but somebody's gotta do it. ;)

The original is a 30 year old song. Not quite a comparison what you were arguing with. ;)

Personally I think it would have been better if Meat had done a less famous Bonnie cover such as Ravishing. A forgotten gem which is exactly the type of song that should be covered. The chorus is superb and screams Meat Loaf to me. A more rock version of that would be like a combo of More and Braver itself.

I stand corrected. Just realised Ravishing was used as a theme for Hulk Hogan.
Oh well no more unknown/forgotten Steinman gems left to cover. Time to stop with that anyway for Meat.

[eltmatt]

I too wish Tyce wouldn't preach so much about politics and I'm from the UK.

Anyway I don't see why people would be too hung up over perception of male/female lyrics, as a gay man my instinct tells me Tyce probably leans that way ;)

Anyway I'm looking forward to the release and would love to see a live show over here and meet Tyce etc, the thought of no one properly performing Jim's stuff live with a band saddens me so this should be a good start :p

[roomster]

I too wish Tyce wouldn't preach so much about politics and I'm from the UK.


Me too. And I'm from Norway... ;-)

I have been really looking forward to Tyce Greens new Steinman-album and started following him on Facebook a while ago, but he have now posted so many political postings and bashed Trump and his supporters so many times that I have lost all of my anticipation for his new record...

It seems to me that Tyce Green have higher ambitions to be a politician than a musician...

[loaferman61]

Me too. And I'm from Norway... ;-)

I have been really looking forward to Tyce Greens new Steinman-album and started following him on Facebook a while ago, but he have now posted so many political postings and bashed Trump and his supporters so many times that I have lost all of my anticipation for his new record...

It seems to me that Tyce Green have higher ambitions to be a politician than a musician...

I agree, I started to mention it before but didn't want to be the one who starts the riot. I am fine with everyone holding their own beliefs and I respect them. That said if I want to hear you sing, then sing. I don't need to hear your politics. It will cost you money when you are in a job that operates off public perception.

Meat made one appearance in his career and because he wasn't on the side most were on he got roundly bashed and mentioned that he lost some promotional bookings. He also specifically declined to even comment this past election. Meanwhile Cher, Bon Jovi, and Bruce Springsteen all get up on stage and spout their politics with no real consequence that I can see.

The people above have established careers, and losing some sales won't hurt them any. Tyce does not. It is fine that he has passionate opinions but even if someone is constantly on Facebook and other social media talking politics (even when I agree with their views) I really am thinking like be an entertainer promote your songs and your career right now.

Agree or disagree with me that is fine, it is still a fact that people do notice this stuff and it sticks in their minds. A negative perception is not good, especially when you are trying to make a first impression.

It should be all about the songs and his budding career IMO.

[Adje]

Well here is my opinion. Coming from someone who has stated earlier that I would not buy his album and who does agree with his political beliefs.

So here I am, seeing this artist that makes music which is not my thing. Then I read how he puts my political thoughts on paper (or facebook) and I think, good for you man. That's what I think, those are my words. Thumbs Up!

Still, his music is not my cup of tea and when I see his album in the store I won't think "Hey he's anti-Trump like me, I buy his record." Nope, in fact when I see his album I remind myself that I'm not a fan of how he performes the songs and I will buy something else. Something I think I might like.

So what has Tyce gained from sharing my political ideas? Nothing.

Now if I would have been a Trump suporter from the beginning and saw this Tyce guy and think "Wow someone new who does Steinman songs. Gotta buy this..." I would be excited.

Then I would read his posts, putting me, as a Trump suporter, in a corner and basically insultng my choice and my judgement. I would see his album in the stores and my mind would not unlikely be "Oh yeah, the new Steinman guy. What a pretentious prick he is. Not going to suport that guy's career"

So what did he gain now? Exactly...

No one buys your album because you share the same political views. But you might lose potential buyers by being so strong opose them.

As Loaferman said, when you're an established artist you can handle it. When you're starting a career it's unwise to start it with a fight. Especially when you come from a divided country as the U.S. at this moment.

If you want to make a point that Trump isn't your guy. If you are that political involved at the start of your music career, chose a different path. An uplifting path. And instead of putting Trump voters in a corner say something in the line as "Okay I am upset by the elections but now we must all work together to make this country work for everybody" Then you made both your point and you haven't alienate people the way you're doing now.

And I don't just blame Tyce. He is a kid. But his management and perhaps even the producers of the album should have stopped him. He needs to be guided in this jungle not left on a deserted road by himself.

[AndrewG]

Interesting chain of thought Adje.

Besides Meat Loaf the only other artist I saw handle the result/election well were The Piano Guys. They put out a simple statement on Nov 8th:

No matter who becomes the next President of this great nation, it's gonna be OKAY
And then linked to their song "It's gonna be okay".

Much more clever, positive and apt for a band that needs every sale and like to continue to do what they like to do and are good at.

I think it might be an age thing with Tyce. And to be fair he is not the only one doing this but it simply isn't clever. I think this is happening also since social media is so easy to relate your messages across. And also what you write can be taken out of context easily or taken without a pinch of salt or can just come across as cold or rude which we see happening on this forum sometimes too.

Still I wouldn't want to have been all excited to have seen Tyce live without social media virtue signalling and then get a half hour political lecture at his show. So either way I think certainly artists early on in their careers need to try to be less polarising if possible. At least if they want to make their art more important than their politics that is.

The only thing you can really control is who/what YOU vote for. Getting too upset about what others vote for well eventually is just going to depress you I think. There are tons of things in the world I don't agree with but jumping up and down about it is only going to annoy myself and not going to change anyone's opinion. If I really wanted to make a difference politically I need to run as local councillor and see where that gets me. Maybe one day...

I know it is maybe easier said than done but a more humble approach if you really want to deviate away from your art for a while and get someone to do something is better I reckon and can give more immediate positive results:
Here is Bob, he is running a marathon to help his neighbour buy a new bike because his old one got stolen & can't afford a new one, please help him by donating...

Bob happy, Tyce happy and his supporters & not yet supporters impressed.

That sort of stuff...

I'm not saying Tyce hasn't done this (to be fair I haven't checked all his posts). But this kind of thing getting lost in amongst the Trump hate still doesn't help regardless.

[PanicLord]

So here's my buying process...

Do I want to own that music?
Yes = buys it
No = doesn't

[mindnick1]

So here's my buying process...

Do I want to own that music?
Yes = buys it
No = doesn't

Yes totally agree....very simple process

"Someone must have blessed us when he gave us those songs"

Remeber those words and listen to todays Music when artists like Beyonce get nominated for best Rock....its sad, but if we dont get behind live proper music and albums our kids will never know the real deal....

Nick

[CarylB]

Braver was recorded months before we heard Meats, ....
Nick

But we knew 2 years ago Meat was recording this as part of his new album with Jim .. Warrio and those who have queried it have a valid point imo

[ashkent7]

But we knew 2 years ago Meat was recording this as part of his new album with Jim .. Warrio and those who have queried it have a valid point imo

Braver Than We Are is also on Karine's album in October...Three versions of the same song in a year. Does that matter to me? Not really. There are songs released multiple times in a short space of time regularly now.

For me three versions means just that...three different interpretations in three different worlds of what is one of Jim's best pieces in my opinion. I don't speak German but the theatrics of the Tanz version and the choral final pass mean i listen to it regularly. Although I try to play Meat's album from end to end, if I'm in the car I get to the end of Going All The Way and think, go on then one more time, so I wouldn't have any qualms playing all four versions of the song back to back.

Different voices, different productions and styles, same core amazing song. There's a reason why some songs continually are released by different artists and it's usually because they are genuinely great songs. Braver or Going All The Way is around or over 10 minutes of constant lyrical and musical change which for me means there is a lot that can be interpreted to make entirely individual versions. It's the reason I will listen to the same song by Meat, Pandora's Box, Jim, Celine, Barry Manilow, Boyzone, The Everly's, Rory and anyone else you can name. Each one takes you on a different journey. Generally, the voice is only a small part of why i listen to songs, the rest is made up by the songs themselves, and these are eternal.

Anyone who say only found Meat's work now and looked up a song, would find that there are maybe three versions of some. It doesn't matter when historically there are multiple versions of a song, no one says let's check the dates that these were released; retrospect takes that away. Just because I happen to be listening now, in real time when Tyce and Karine's versions are released, it's no different to discovering all three in say ten years time. There will still be three different versions whether they are released in a week of each other or a decade.

Today's post was brought to you by the phrase "different versions". :cool:

[mindnick1]

Braver Than We Are is also on Karine's album in October...Three versions of the same song in a year. Does that matter to me? Not really. There are songs released multiple times in a short space of time regularly now.

For me three versions means just that...three different interpretations in three different worlds of what is one of Jim's best pieces in my opinion. I don't speak German but the theatrics of the Tanz version and the choral final pass mean i listen to it regularly. Although I try to play Meat's album from end to end, if I'm in the car I get to the end of Going All The Way and think, go on then one more time, so I wouldn't have any qualms playing all four versions of the song back to back.

Different voices, different productions and styles, same core amazing song. There's a reason why some songs continually are released by different artists and it's usually because they are genuinely great songs. Braver or Going All The Way is around or over 10 minutes of constant lyrical and musical change which for me means there is a lot that can be interpreted to make entirely individual versions. It's the reason I will listen to the same song by Meat, Pandora's Box, Jim, Celine, Barry Manilow, Boyzone, The Everly's, Rory and anyone else you can name. Each one takes you on a different journey. Generally, the voice is only a small part of why i listen to songs, the rest is made up by the songs themselves, and these are eternal.

Anyone who say only found Meat's work now and looked up a song, would find that there are maybe three versions of some. It doesn't matter when historically there are multiple versions of a song, no one says let's check the dates that these were released; retrospect takes that away. Just because I happen to be listening now, in real time when Tyce and Karine's versions are released, it's no different to discovering all three in say ten years time. There will still be three different versions whether they are released in a week of each other or a decade.

Today's post was brought to you by the phrase "different versions". :cool:

Fantastic post, you saved me 20 mins typing out the exact same responce!!

[letsgotoofar]

And if anybody thinks all three will have substantially the same lyrics or arrangement, think again. Tanz alone proves there's more than one way to skin this particular cat.

[rockfenris2005]

My thoughts from the bits I've heard:

The tracks are phenomenal.
Tyce isn't doing it for me, I'm afraid. If it was Karine singing, on the other hand... :shock:

Just SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!!! t^%^%^%^!!!! FGMNGFFFFFKGKFGFK!!!!!

[PanicLord]

But we knew 2 years ago Meat was recording this as part of his new album with Jim .. Warrio and those who have queried it have a valid point imo

I'm pretty sure in the 60s lots of people used to do versions of the same song at the same time.

Buy the ones you like or are interested in. Ignore the others.

Simples :)

[Meat Loaf_fan]

:shock: I didn't know that this thread was about politics ...

Anyway - I will wait patient till February, because from samples on Tyce Facebook page, I know that new album has fantastic songs and very good singer. :-)

[byo1975]

Well here is my opinion. Coming from someone who has stated earlier that I would not buy his album and who does agree with his political beliefs.

So here I am, seeing this artist that makes music which is not my thing. Then I read how he puts my political thoughts on paper (or facebook) and I think, good for you man. That's what I think, those are my words. Thumbs Up!

Still, his music is not my cup of tea and when I see his album in the store I won't think "Hey he's anti-Trump like me, I buy his record." Nope, in fact when I see his album I remind myself that I'm not a fan of how he performes the songs and I will buy something else. Something I think I might like.

So what has Tyce gained from sharing my political ideas? Nothing.

Now if I would have been a Trump suporter from the beginning and saw this Tyce guy and think "Wow someone new who does Steinman songs. Gotta buy this..." I would be excited.

Then I would read his posts, putting me, as a Trump suporter, in a corner and basically insultng my choice and my judgement. I would see his album in the stores and my mind would not unlikely be "Oh yeah, the new Steinman guy. What a pretentious prick he is. Not going to suport that guy's career"

So what did he gain now? Exactly...

No one buys your album because you share the same political views. But you might lose potential buyers by being so strong opose them.

As Loaferman said, when you're an established artist you can handle it. When you're starting a career it's unwise to start it with a fight. Especially when you come from a divided country as the U.S. at this moment.

If you want to make a point that Trump isn't your guy. If you are that political involved at the start of your music career, chose a different path. An uplifting path. And instead of putting Trump voters in a corner say something in the line as "Okay I am upset by the elections but now we must all work together to make this country work for everybody" Then you made both your point and you haven't alienate people the way you're doing now.

And I don't just blame Tyce. He is a kid. But his management and perhaps even the producers of the album should have stopped him. He needs to be guided in this jungle not left on a deserted road by himself.

+1

[mindnick1]

:shock: I didn't know that this thread was about politics ...

Anyway - I will wait patient till February, because from samples on Tyce Facebook page, I know that new album has fantastic songs and very good singer. :-)

Its not for me and i wont discuss politcs with anyone, i suppose if you want to discuss politcs then sounds like Tyce Greens page is a good place to start, thanks for the kind words, i promise you no dissapointment, its about the music and the love of jims songs......something we ALL have in common on this site....amazing that we all can agree on that.....totally understand that Tyce may not be for all of us, thats fine and called taste.....he is a young lad and doing well for himself.......
Nick