Have we got anything to look forward to?

[nightinr]

Braver is a distant memory.....the musical is about to leave the UK. Is that the end of the road for us or is there anything new we can look forward to?

[loaferman61]

A book about Meat is listed for November on Amazon in the UK but not on the US site. Not sure about any details of it yet.

The musical soundtrack which was promised way too soon for any Steinman project is still coming "soon" (supposing they are either going to make sure the final setlist is there or just decided to wait).

I get the idea Meat may have been looking at the archives he asked about some of his mostly unknown early stuff on the board, but I doubt anyone has a 100% pristine copy. Also not sure who would want some of it other than being a completest. I am really hoping some of the old soundboards and pro shot video is going to become available but rights issues may be a problem.

Finally Meat is in an upcoming TV show, I'm more about the music but happy to see he is doing well enough to work in acting.

[Sebastian.]

Game of Thrones is pretty epic at the moment.

[proctorloaf]

Apparently there will be a new best of and a release of Bat with some real special tracks in October...

[PanicLord]

Oh nightinr... have you forgotten?

There's always something magic
There's always something new

[byo1975]

Oh nightinr... have you forgotten?

There's always something magic
There's always something new


nightinr??? what is that?

karinne hannah is gonna make a new disc with steinmans song?

[stretch37]

Ghost Wars looks cool. We can talk about Meat's character, etc.

[loaferman61]

nightinr??? what is that?

karinne hannah is gonna make a new disc with steinmans song?

She released "Braver Than We Are" as a single and apparently dropped the project at least for now. Given the lack of quality of her version that is not a bad thing.

[Danny L]

The cast of Bat Out of Hell have been in the studio doing the cast album

[byo1975]

She released "Braver Than We Are" as a single and apparently dropped the project at least for now. Given the lack of quality of her version that is not a bad thing.

TY!!!!

[Monstro]

Christmas!!

[BostonAngel]

She released "Braver Than We Are" as a single and apparently dropped the project at least for now. Given the lack of quality of her version that is not a bad thing.


Karinne did not drop her project because of lack of quality. Her album was almost finished. From the few final tracks I heard it was well produced. She has an amazing voice.
The version of Braver that you heard may have been the demo that she did 13 years ago.
She dropped her project because of all the nastiness and negativity she received from Steinman fans, including death threats!!! She just did not want to deal with that level of insanity to release a project. It is sad and appalling that people will behave so shockingly bad and immaturely when they don't like like something. Resorting to death threats is deplorable and absolutely uncalled for.
The final versions hadn't even be released yet and people were hating on the small snippets that they had heard. They would not even attempt to give HER project a fair chance.

[BostonAngel]

Ghost Wars looks cool. We can talk about Meat's character, etc.

I am really looking forward to this show and discussing Meat's character

[loaferman61]

Karinne did not drop her project because of lack of quality. Her album was almost finished. From the few final tracks I heard it was well produced. She has an amazing voice.
The version of Braver that you heard may have been the demo that she did 13 years ago.
She dropped her project because of all the nastiness and negativity she received from Steinman fans, including death threats!!! She just did not want to deal with that level of insanity to release a project. It is sad and appalling that people will behave so shockingly bad and immaturely when they don't like like something. Resorting to death threats is deplorable and absolutely uncalled for.
The final versions hadn't even be released yet and people were hating on the small snippets that they had heard. They would not even attempt to give HER project a fair chance.


I have her version of "Braver" that I bought from Amazon music this year. It is not as good as the old demo. What I have is definitely a version released after Meat's. I have the screenshot but the link won't post here properly.

[byo1975]

Karinne did not drop her project because of lack of quality. Her album was almost finished. From the few final tracks I heard it was well produced. She has an amazing voice.
The version of Braver that you heard may have been the demo that she did 13 years ago.
She dropped her project because of all the nastiness and negativity she received from Steinman fans, including death threats!!! She just did not want to deal with that level of insanity to release a project. It is sad and appalling that people will behave so shockingly bad and immaturely when they don't like like something. Resorting to death threats is deplorable and absolutely uncalled for.
The final versions hadn't even be released yet and people were hating on the small snippets that they had heard. They would not even attempt to give HER project a fair chance.


https://www.amazon.com/Karine-Hannah/e/B001LH5Y3O/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_3?qid=1503098801&sr=8-3

[stretch37]

I am really looking forward to this show and discussing Meat's character

Me too! :) I think it'll be a cool new chapter in Meat's career. His acting performances will probably get more interesting now that he can put his whole self into it instead of worrying about doing shows and music related things

[loaferman61]

https://www.amazon.com/Karine-Hannah/e/B001LH5Y3O/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_3?qid=1503098801&sr=8-3

Maybe I heard wrong because I thought it was removed at least temporarily.

[BostonAngel]

Maybe I heard wrong because I thought it was removed at least temporarily.

After the project had been scrapped, I know it had been taken down from all the music sights. Interesting that the song is still on Amazon. Thanks for the link

[Cherry.Loaf]

Counting down the days till Bat gets a London Residency?

[BostonAngel]

Counting down the days till Bat gets a London Residency?

As long as it hits Broadway in New York City 1st. Hoping it hits NYC after Toronto. I really really want to see it and travelling to Toronto isn't an option.

[Cherry.Loaf]

As long as it hits Broadway in New York City 1st. Hoping it hits NYC after Toronto. I really really want to see it and travelling to Toronto isn't an option.

Oh I think that will definetly happen first :)

[gigs89]

Is this christmas album ever coming out? That would be something to look forward to. It's been talked about for Years now but every year Christmas comes and goes without it.

[loaferman61]

Is this christmas album ever coming out? That would be something to look forward to. It's been talked about for Years now but every year Christmas comes and goes without it.

I always had the impression that the Christmas album was a thought on the drawing board. I don't know if anything actually got done, but doubt it. The plan was to have songs with people like Reba, Garth Brooks, etc. which I doubt logistically would have been all that easy to arrange and if it had been done with those names someone would be releasing it.

Then again I could be 100% wrong. If it happens this will be the only Christmas album I ever buy.

[stretch37]

You just never know with Meat. He's a mystery

[CarylB]

You just never know with Meat. He's a mystery

An enigma of wonder wrapped in a mystery, and thus always able to surprise and delight us :D

[Adje]

Apparently, I have plenty to look forward too. And so will the people that follow me around. All thanks to a German friend :cool:

[anotherday]

:O Whaaaatcha got there, Adje?

[eltmatt]

Looks like that London residency may be happening!

[Adje]

:O Whaaaatcha got there, Adje?

Nothing yet. But, hopefully soon, some 2005 and 2008 stuff and a load of other fine material. Nonetheless, after Braver it's good to have some Meat music again. I apreciate what the Steinman folks are doing, but they are not for me. My interest lies with Meat. ;)

[duke knooby]

yes, i've a parcel from achlum on its way :)

[Adje]

yes, i've a parcel from achlum on its way :)

Are the Dutch providing you? :cool:

[stretch37]

Nonetheless, after Braver it's good to have some Meat music again. I apreciate what the Steinman folks are doing, but they are not for me. My interest lies with Meat. ;)

This right here.

[Evil One]

Next year is Bat 2's 25th birthday :shrug:

[dukesofhazard]

Is a proper 40th Anniversary Bat Out Of Hell actually being released?

[anotherday]

Is a proper 40th Anniversary Bat Out Of Hell actually being released?

Your guess is as good as mine.

[Justin Bieber]

UK comic con next year

[GDW]

Meat Loaf's 70th.:D

[PanicLord]

Also, I think someone said Midnight At The Lost And Found should be getting the remastered re-release treatment very shortly...

[Adje]

:O Whaaaatcha got there, Adje?

Still on Holidays in Spain. But just before I left, I finished a 100 minute Casa de Carne concert video. Still needs work and I try to find some more videos of that tour. But it will be a good reminder of that tour. When I am back I will make it ready for others to enjoy.

[ajf33]

According to the expo videos, Meat & Jim are hoping to do something with the Bat Demos, now that certainly sounds a lot more interesting than the straight re-re-release the record company wanted to do for Bats 40th!

[byo1975]

Still on Holidays in Spain. But just before I left, I finished a 100 minute Casa de Carne concert video. Still needs work and I try to find some more videos of that tour. But it will be a good reminder of that tour. When I am back I will make it ready for others to enjoy.

WOW U HAVE BEEN IN MY COUNTRY...I HOPE ULL HAVE A GOOD TIME

[lorenzoduke]

Your guess is as good as mine.

Absolutely no sign of it. Not much of the year left. I'd guess it's not happening.

[Adje]

Received 3 signed CD's (Braver, VBO and Bat3) and 2 signed vinyl's (Bat 1 and Bat 2) from a private collection. They were send to me as a gift by a widow. Because I shared some concert videos with her late husband in the past. He wanted me to have those items. I never personally had the pleasure of meeting this person. But receiving this package with the letter from the widow overwhelmed me. Not because of the items but because of this incredible gesture. Still a bit lost for words...

[Sebastian.]

The Walking Dead returns in a few weeks.

[Tina.K.]

Received 3 signed CD's (Braver, VBO and Bat3) and 2 signed vinyl's (Bat 1 and Bat 2) from a private collection. They were send to me as a gift by a widow. Because I shared some concert videos with her late husband in the past. He wanted me to have those items. I never personally had the pleasure of meeting this person. But receiving this package with the letter from the widow overwhelmed me. Not because of the items but because of this incredible gesture. Still a bit lost for words...

That's amazing Adje! Beautiful gifts.

[Adje]

Still on Holidays in Spain. But just before I left, I finished a 100 minute Casa de Carne concert video. Still needs work and I try to find some more videos of that tour. But it will be a good reminder of that tour. When I am back I will make it ready for others to enjoy.

Well for those enjoying the stuff I share. There is something on my website/you tube, that you might like :cool:

And for those sharing stuff with me. You know who you are and you know I am grateful :cool:

Although Meat is having a new TV series, doing expo and comic con meetings and has people performing the songs we love him for, for me there is nothing better than seeing him perform on stage. And from that perspective there will be more to look forward to ;)

[byo1975]

Well for those enjoying the stuff I share. There is something on my website/you tube, that you might like :cool:

And for those sharing stuff with me. You know who you are and you know I am grateful :cool:

Although Meat is having a new TV series, doing expo and comic con meetings and has people performing the songs we love him for, for me there is nothing better than seeing him perform on stage. And from that perspective there will be more to look forward to ;)

TY TY TY.....i want the mp3s....i love to heal meat in the car...ty again, u aree the best!

[melon]

I have S5 of The Blacklist to look forward to... Spader.

[Adje]

If you care for the same stuff that I do then this might be something for you to look forward to. Coming soon is nearly 2 hours of '2007/leg 2' tour and a 2005 HOTD tour show ;)

Just to keep the flow of Meat Loaf's amazing legacy going. Is there anything better than Meat performing live on stage? :cool:

[madagascar]

What was her name? Aspen Something ;-)

[Evil One]

Nothing wrong with Aspen Miller

[letsgotoofar]

Is there anything better than Meat performing live on stage? :cool:

Yes, there is: live Meat and early Meat in the studio. Quoting Meat's Facebook release yesterday:

Okay, in 2012 we were on tour in the summer and it was a great tour I have about 6 Live board tapes from 2012 I am go to put up on Pledge . If you don't know about Pledge is Look it up, very cool . We are getting ready to put Demos from 1975 that only up until about 6 months ago only about 5 people had ever heard them . Jim would have put them up if he could have found his copy he would have . I had mine and I convinced him to save them , I was right for about the 100th time in 50 years ( there was whole lot more but I want him to feel good) .

[CarylB]

Meat's said on his FB page " I have about 6 Live board tapes from 2012 I am go to put up on Pledge . If you don't know about Pledge Look it up, very cool . We are getting ready to put Demos from 1975 that only up until about 6 months ago only about 5 people had ever heard them"

So something there to look forward to :)

[stretch37]

Nothing wrong with Aspen Miller

No. She was one hell of a performer, a looker ;) and she was extremely professional and full of fresh energy on stage. I really enjoyed the shows with her.

[nightinr]

Is Meat actually expecting us to pay for these "tapes" ? Surely as a gesture to fans he should just put them on his website or another format for free. Let's face it most of us already paid a lot of money for tour tickets.

[nightinr]

And as for Aspen Miller nothing personal against the girl...but not in same league as Patti.

[CarylB]

Is Meat actually expecting us to pay for these "tapes" ? Surely as a gesture to fans he should just put them on his website or another format for free. Let's face it most of us already paid a lot of money for tour tickets.

Why not? Those of us who paid money for tickets had our contract fulfilled .. we got a show! Meat would I'm sure be sending the money to charity .. and many fans will no doubt find ways of getting it free as they have done with so many of his albums!

[loaferman61]

Is Meat actually expecting us to pay for these "tapes" ? Surely as a gesture to fans he should just put them on his website or another format for free. Let's face it most of us already paid a lot of money for tour tickets.

Long ago Meat was going to put some tapes on here that illustrated where he hit the notes when someone had claimed he didn't. He was not inclined to do this after realizing that these tapes could be sold, so maybe he thought if anyone would sell them why not sell them himself.

I am happy he is making these available. It is really an extreme "niche" item so I do not expect there will be a windfall made off them.

[stretch37]

Is Meat actually expecting us to pay for these "tapes" ? Surely as a gesture to fans he should just put them on his website or another format for free. Let's face it most of us already paid a lot of money for tour tickets.

People expecting artists to give their work away for free is part of what's wrong with the way things are today...I'm glad he's putting them up and is not afraid to ask for money for his work, regardless of which decade it was done in. An artist has to make a living somehow,whether by asking a fair price or working a day job, as I do.

[MarkS]

I have no issue paying for a copy of the tapes. I went to several shows that year and would label it as money well spent. Don't want to pay for them, then don't, simple as that

[nightinr]

No problem in paying for proper albums or live albums properly released but to pay for these tapes is verging on taking advantage of loyal fans. Surely it would be a nice gesture to hand them over for free so we can enjoy them and marvel at his past performances.

I know the silent majority agree with me 🙂

[Monstro]

No problem in paying for proper albums or live albums properly released but to pay for these tapes is verging on taking advantage of loyal fans. Surely it would be a nice gesture to hand them over for free so we can enjoy them and marvel at his past performances.

I suppose it's down to each artist to decide whether to give it away or charge, it's theirs so it's their choice, Yes it would be a nice gesture but I don't think that fans of any artist have any right to it for free, they themselves have the choice whether to pay for it or not, I don't see that as being taken advantage of.



I know the silent majority agree with me 🙂

How?

[proctorloaf]

There's no such thing as a silent majority. For a majority to form, they have to stand up and be counted.

[loaferman61]

No problem in paying for proper albums or live albums properly released but to pay for these tapes is verging on taking advantage of loyal fans. Surely it would be a nice gesture to hand them over for free so we can enjoy them and marvel at his past performances.

I know the silent majority agree with me ��

Certainly it would be a nice gesture. But Meat has the tapes and this is what he chooses to do with them. If I find the price to be too much, I have the option not to buy them so if whoever wants to maximize sales they find an agreeable selling price.
Not even the majority of loyal Meat Loaf fans are going to have interest in old concert tapes, it is a niche audience. Most fans will buy the officially released live albums if they want some live shows. I want to hear the unedited soundboards. I'd prefer ones from say '87 to '93 and a real "Storytellers" tour show, maybe those will come out later.

As I said earlier I really do not think anyone should expect any huge number of sales on these.

[stretch37]

I know the silent majority agree with me 🙂

How do you know that? HOW DID YOU TALK TO THE SILENT MAJORITY :lol: I WANT IN

[AndrewG]

No problem in paying for proper albums or live albums properly released but to pay for these tapes is verging on taking advantage of loyal fans. Surely it would be a nice gesture to hand them over for free so we can enjoy them and marvel at his past performances.

I know the silent majority agree with me ��

If there is a silent majority that wants Meat to hand stuff over for free or other wise they feel taken advantage of then I'm glad that silent majority mostly shuts the hell up.

Springsteen set up a whole website where you can buy his concert tapes. Only ever given out a few tracks and one whole show for free out of hundreds from what I could see. And Springsteen is over half way to being a billionaire.

[stretch37]

If there is a silent majority that wants Meat to hand stuff over for free or other wise they feel taken advantage of then I'm glad that silent majority mostly shuts the hell up.

Springsteen set up a whole website where you can buy his concert tapes. Only ever given out a few tracks and one whole show for free out of hundreds from what I could see. And Springsteen is over half way to being a billionaire.

Yeah, I think it's fairly normal...I mean i'll take what I can get for bootlegs, and I would happily accept any free things that come my way, but I would never question an artist who wishes to sell their work. Whether I would buy it is another matter. I'm not sure I would buy the 2012 tapes. We'll see how much it costs and if I can afford that.

[Julie in the rv mirror]

People expecting artists to give their work away for free is part of what's wrong with the way things are today...I'm glad he's putting them up and is not afraid to ask for money for his work, regardless of which decade it was done in. An artist has to make a living somehow,whether by asking a fair price or working a day job, as I do.

Lots of artists sell concert recordings these days- I think it's perfectly fine. I have no problem paying for officially released product (assuming the price is reasonable).

Springsteen started by selling recordings of current shows, then gradually moved into selling old archive shows (minor correction- it's not his own website, he hired a company to handle it. His record company also gets a cut). People happily buy the old shows, even though we have decent to good bootlegs of some of them already.

In Meat's case, this is new for him, and I think it's a good step. If the fans enjoy it, perhaps he will release more shows in the future. This could give those who don't like bootlegs or don't know where to get them a chance to hear some old shows.

[stretch37]

Lots of artists sell concert recordings these days- I think it's perfectly fine. I have no problem paying for officially released product (assuming the price is reasonable).

Springsteen started by selling recordings of current shows, then gradually moved into selling old archive shows (minor correction- it's not his own website, he hired a company to handle it. His record company also gets a cut). People happily buy the old shows, even though we have decent to good bootlegs of some of them already.

In Meat's case, this is new for him, and I think it's a good step. If the fans enjoy it, perhaps he will release more shows in the future. This could give those who don't like bootlegs or don't know where to get them a chance to hear some old shows.

Well and, as much as I love the work of some great Meat Loaf fans who have done literally amazing work putting together stuff we would otherwise have never gotten to witness, official tapes, properly mixed and presented as a finished product have a special meaning to them to us all yes :) Brings things to a whole new level and means we can have some new fresh Meat Loaf stuff to keep that fix satisfied

[Julie in the rv mirror]

IMO, I think it's only fair that those of us who do collect boots support the official product (as we can afford).

[stretch37]

IMO, I think it's only fair that those of us who do collect boots support the official product (as we can afford).

Absolutely! And I happily would. Heck, to get some actual soundboards or anything, I would jump on that and pay for it. It's probably the same price as a night out to the movies. And more enjoyable at that ;)

[nightinr]

With regard the "silent majority" the clue is in the title.

My opinion and I expect the "silent majority" think Meat has made enough from his loyal fans and it would nice gesture to release these tapes for nothing.

[PanicLord]

With regard the "silent majority" the clue is in the title.

My opinion and I expect the "silent majority" think Meat has made enough from his loyal fans and it would nice gesture to release these tapes for nothing.

I don't think anyone would deny it would be nice to have them given out. It would be really nice if the bank paid off my mortgage and I never had to work again too.

[stretch37]

With regard the "silent majority" the clue is in the title.

My opinion and I expect the "silent majority" think Meat has made enough from his loyal fans and it would nice gesture to release these tapes for nothing.

Yes but nobody really knows what the silent majority is thinking. Of course they exist. The question is, what is their collective opionion about Meat's givings and misgivings to his fans? I suspect the silent majority have a multitude of opinions, given that they (whoever we are assuming "they" are at this point...Major Meat fans? Major Steinmen fans? Casual Meat fans? The general public who know Meat Loaf exists and can sing the chorus of paradise or 2 outta 3?) are all individual people who have each had their own personal relationship with their Meat Loaf music. I think it is very hard to generalize and any suggestions about what the silent majority "thinks" is an opinion based on your own experiences Nightinr. I do understand what you are trying to say, that in your opinion, the silent majority may not agree with Meat asking for money for these tapes. And it is a great idea to question things, such as you have been in this post. But I think for the sake of the discussion, it would be much easier to question or postulate without trying to make generalized statements about a group of people you don't know to try to make your point. Better, I think, to just state the opinion as your own and leave it at that. To some end, I actually agree with you that some things could be released for free, such as an old soundboard tape. (Similar to the isolated vocal that surfaced of Queen and David Bowie singing Under Pressure, although I do not know if that recording was originally sold and then posted online) But I think the underlying issue here may be that you don't think Meat is being respectful to his fans, and that is where we disagree. Meat cares about his fans more than himself, as he has shown on a number of occasions, such as the entire 2016 Canadian tour. I was there for two of the shows. He was unwell, clearly very different than when I saw him in Jan 2011 and March 2011 and June 2012. A different man. A man fighting terrible pain and physical disability in order to give us what was, without question, a ~~~~ing amazing, inspiring, truthfully awe-inspiring performance. (I said performance, not vocal). Meat cares so much about his fans. Perhaps that is a good place to steer this discussion back to. And to that end, I think we have much to look forward to as Meat's loyal fans. He wants us to have it all. He just needs time to heal. Time to think clearly free of pain and suffering. Time to feel himself again. He didn't look himself in 2016 in the summer. He looked like he'd aged 20 years in 3 years. Meat is dealing with one of the worst struggles of his life.

[R.]

Thread re-opened. Please leave all political stuff at the door. Thank you.