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Fire Ball

20 Oct 2003, 13:23

It seem that at my show " my preformance is only half hearted ", all these years that I've said and some of have said " I give everything" has just been a Lie. That's right a lie. I'm starting Sat. with another" half hearted tour" where I don't care about my fans. MY SET LIST DOES NOT CHANGE ENOUGH and "that sucks" which means I "don't care about my fans" oh God here I am writting this post when I should be out learning new songs and working on my show... so just shoot me in the head ,I should be out working on my show.
You see there is an artist who does 4 shows in a month and he changes the order evernight and plays 3 or 4 didfferent songs a night. and he will do 23 to 25 songs a night. show runs 3:30 hours and I admit I am a fan and went to a couple of shows, the key here is 4 or 5 shows a month, I do 16 to 18 a month if I did 4 or 5 a month I would be perfect everynight and could do 22 to 25 songs. Lets take this tour, where at one point I'm doing 7 shows in ten days, do you know how scared I am
. That's funny, I wouldn't be if I didn't care and my thoughts were only half hearted. People here can write they don't like the album... I might write them to back and say take another listen, they argue with me here because Bat II was not all that great to me.if you didn't like a show that's fine, write and say his voice sucked last night, well it probally did.. you want to here perfect vocals go to 85% of the concerts where they are on tape.
The artist we have been talking about is more of a grass roots artist and I own all his CD's so I ilike him. I am from Theater , shows on the westend and broadway I believe they play the same songs every nite? Don't They? Any way my show is about transitions getting form one emotional place to another, it's emotionally driv'in, it's about what's happening on stage and no where else.
I came from the Theater this is how I think, did not come from the bar world,but the bottom line is that.... all I care about is the show... it's all I think about 24 hours a day most days. I study my craft and how to improve it... changing songs does not improve it for me( it moves If it can help the play) there thats I how I look at my show, as a play!!! in fact this last summer I came off the stage in tears about 7 times because I thought I let the fans down. not because I didn't change the set. For it to be said that mY performance is half hearted and I don't care about my fans because my set list doesn't changeis BS.
I don't think changing the set makes it a better show or does it mean if I do change that I love my Fans more, I go on that stage every night I give everything I have to give" I promise" I have nothing more, nothing let to give you when that show is over. THis Half hearted thing is someone misconception of what a show should be, they have been great shows on the Westend, arwards won, money made, people leaving happy, in some cases for as long as 10 years 8 shows a week, and they haven't changed there set list yet.; Don't put me down because I don't do what other artist do, just go see them and enjoy what they give you, if you chose to come to my show try and enjoy what that is. what I give you ,not pissed off because your not getting something else. I try to be happy with what I have not what I don't have. What makes the world go round some people like red some blue so if you like red don't tell the blue your pissed off and his work must be Half hearted because he doesn't like red.

Love you all
Meat

Bohemian

20 Oct 2003, 13:41

Oh man any talk of your shows and I start fidgiting here in my seat.

Feb 28th!! Can't come soon enough.

(Is it just me who gets the itch to love Meat Loaf more everytime they read something about him in a negative light?? Water off our backs, man 8) All the more Meat for us).

Bohemian

20 Oct 2003, 14:09

I've been to 3 shows so far, 94, 96 and 99, they just got better each time. I'm so convinced of this that I'm travelling to Germany soon and then to Birmingham.

For me, you started in 94 with 110% and are somewhere near 200% now. And I'm not just talking voice, or appearance, or set list, or effects, I'm talking about performance. The whole thing. The thing Meat Loaf does better than any other artist. It's real, its raw, its powerful, its emotional, its fun and its worth travelling across Europe for.

Luke

ROSIE

20 Oct 2003, 14:10

We understand please don't worry you must do what feels right for you, to be part of spmething is wonderful and true fans know what I mean

take care

rosie

Steven

20 Oct 2003, 14:14

I will go on each German Meat Loaf Concert, and I know that in every Show the setlist will be the same. BUT...its okay, because he will play the coolest songs on earth and I KNOW that all 8 Shows will be different, although he plays the same songs...

Keep Rockin'
Steven

ROSIE

20 Oct 2003, 14:22

Where has this half hearted c..p come from anyway....?

Rosie

ChrisBelfast

20 Oct 2003, 14:50

I don't know how anyone can actually say half hearted? People can criticise a performance, they can say what they want about it, but one things for sure, good or not, meat will have givin it his all.
It looks as if Meat has a busy schedule coming, especially in UK, he has several shows in a week, promo to do, travelling and for someone to not care about fans, doing M+G's im sure is the last thing he needs before a show

Bren

20 Oct 2003, 15:20

What prompted the "Half-Hearted" post? who says your performance is only half-hearted??
It's not a description i would ever use to describe a performance by you,you give it everything you've got :D

Bren

ROSIE

20 Oct 2003, 15:30

I'm sorry any who loses as much fluid during a performance can call it half hearted almost heart attack if he does not slow down and take care

Rosie

aussielovesmeat

20 Oct 2003, 16:00

"half hearted"
What rubbish !!!!
Whoever said that is just plain stupid !!!
We know you give it your all, anyone who has ever been to one of your concerts knows it !!!
Enjoy your tour, enjoy every performance!!!!!
Thank you for your wonderful music, and giving so much of yourself.

See you in Melbourne !!!

Kaye :D

Guppie

20 Oct 2003, 16:03

Chill, Fire Ball and just do your thing. You'll be fine :wink:

sherrie87

20 Oct 2003, 16:14

Meat,

Please don't let the trolls get you down! I know that the vast majority of the people on this board and (perhaps more importantly) of your fans in general know that you put all you have in you (perhaps too much for your well being, at times) into each performance. I have seen you in concert more than once when I have actually feared that you were going to harm yourself due to the effort that you were putting into the concert. As for those who say "half-hearted", scr*w 'em, they have no basis for their words apart from just plain malice. On the other hand, please understand that we all care about you very much and I must stress to you that you must take care of yourself. Long term, your health is much more imporant than playing 7 dates in 10 days. While it's true that I would be sorely disappointed if a show that I were to attend was cancelled or shortened, your health over the coming years is more important. Please know that many of us here care about you very much, you don't need to worry about disappointing us- we go to your concerts for the total effect that is "Meat Loaf", not every tiny technical aspect or counting each minute of the set. Please take care of yourself as you undertake this European tour. (Hopefully the Yankees can have things safely in hand before you go overseas! :lol: )

Sherrie

Eva

20 Oct 2003, 16:23

Hi MEAT

Don't worry, you are our hero!

I (and we all here) know that you give 150 % to the audience in each concert. I have seen 65 ML concerts around the last 10 years and around the world and falling in love in every performance!!!!

Please don't angry about the peoples they say nonsense!

Love you
Eva

Only five days... :P

mladay

20 Oct 2003, 17:06

Hi Meat

Well I do not know where this "Half-Hearted" crap has come from but, well whoever said it has not seen one of ur shows. I have been lucky to see you 5 times over the years here in Australia, and the last 2 tours it was 2 shows for each and I loved each show more then the last one. :lol: Meat, you gave 200% of yourself at each show and I'm sure that will not charge when you comes back to Australia next year. Now I'm lucky and I will be going to see you 2 shows again this tour, Sydney and Newcastle and if the songs are the same at both show it's fine with me, along as I get to see you again before you stop touring you could sing any songs you likes as I love just about every one of them anyway.

Now I can not see in anyway how anyone that is a fan of Meat loaf could ever say that Meat does not care about his fans. Meat does more for his fans then any other artist I can think of, and well Meat does not just do it to sell CD's or tickets to conects etc Meat does it as he is a true artist and wants to be the best he can be for his fans. And well the wy I see it, Meat does not care if you have been a fan for 25years like me or a fan for 25 minutes, Meat just sees a fan. Now I maybe wrong but well as i said thats the way I see it.

Meat I hope you know that your true fans know you give so much of yourself on stage or when you do CD's etc that we could never think you don't care. Hey Meat look if you tell me who this person (I could call them samethink else but I will not :twisted:) I will go around and break his
bl**dy legs :lol: :lol:

Meat try not to let afew peolpe that are not true fans get you upset ok, just keep in mind that we all love you okay, plus please look after yourself as we maybe your fans but we would not like to see you hurt in anyway just to give as your great shows okay.

Ian (mladay)

heat

20 Oct 2003, 17:08

Meat,

Take no notice of this half-harted f**king bullshit. We, your true fans know just how much you put into your show EVERY time you perform.

We love ya, Meat

jam

20 Oct 2003, 17:41

half hearted my b*m!

true fans know better
if i could visit every one of the uk shows i would....and would be happy to see the same set list

we know you give more than 100%

RoknRollJesus

20 Oct 2003, 17:51

Meat! How exciting to see you post here - yet very sad to realize that you were posting to "justify" yourself and your performance to some "fairweather fans". :(

I am certain that I am not the only one on this board that feels that you, IN NO WAY, need to validate or explain yourself to any of us. We are YOUR fans....I have been a fan for the better part of 35 years. I am a huge "live show" fan and have seen numerous acts - big and small- all around the country. You name it...from the big names like KISS, Bruce Springsteen, Cher, Neil Diamond, Madonna to small club-hoppers and local bands like Cowboy Mouth, Sister Hazel or Hootie and the Blowfish - I have seen them all and I am sure that I echo the sentiments of a LOT of your fans when I say that not a one of those acts can hold a candle to you! Sure, Cher looks good in a dress (I've never seen YOU in a dress so that's not a fair comparison I guess :lol:) and Paul Stanley still looks good can still jump and dance in platform boots...but neither of them can sing a song and manage to bring it to life with the conviction that you can. I have NEVER seen an artist that has been able to do what you do when you sing.....I can't even put it into words here. (call me...we can discuss in detail if you like) :up:

I saw you at Wolf Trap (Virginia) back in September.....did you hit every note EXACTLY like it was on your albums - NO. But that's the beauty of a LIVE show.....you were live and human and it was obvious that you were having a good time with us giving it everything you had. That's what I paid for and I felt like I got my money's worth and then some. The performance was top-notch. If it were "perfect" I could have stayed at home, listened to the cd and saved myself a 5 hour drive and a lot of cash!

Keep doing what you are doing! I love you...we all love your music and will continue to be avid (perhaps rabid is a better term) supporters in whatever you take on next! Never stop Meat.....I promise I won't? :mrgreen:

Anyone else?

Bart

20 Oct 2003, 17:55

I never ever stop rocking to the beat of Meat.

CarylB

20 Oct 2003, 18:16

Ignore the twonks Meat .. they're not worth spit.

Your shows were selling out here as soon as tickets came on sale .. that tells you what all but a few think. Personally I think it beggars belief that people go out of their way to post whinges and moans .. I'm attending 6 concerts .. attended 7 last year. The set lists tend to be the same .. that's what performers DO on tour for heaven's sake. The vast majority of people won't attend more than one show. Those who do should know what to expect.

But to see one of your shows more than once is to see a different show each time .. why? Because you DO care .. because you ARE comitted to constantly improving .. because YOU'RE YOU!!!!

So the moaning minnies can take their whinging and tuck it safely away where the sun don't shine!!

Diane

20 Oct 2003, 18:58

Meat,

I've been extremely fortunate to see you in concert very many times over the years. What I have never seen is a half-hearted performance from you. You always give everything you've got and then some. Your shows are an event - unique and spectacular - and I never cease to be blown away and amazed by the music and the performance.

I can't believe anyone would say you don't care about your fans. You come on our forums and bring us first hand news about your albums and singles. You let us be the first to know the track listing for "CHSIB", give us news about the tour and even told us yourself about the M&Gs. You're always polite and patient with your fans and don't adopt the rock star "ego". If all that isn't caring about your fans, well I certainly don't have a clue what is!

I will be seeing you again this time round on multiple occasions in Germany and the UK and I absolutely can't wait!

:D

Diane

krolok

20 Oct 2003, 19:02

Hey Meat, i saw 5 Concerts of you from 1994 - 1996 and they were all great !!!! (i had no time for the others in years after that :-( )
And there was this great Promo Concert in Amsterdam this year.

Maybe your voice was not so good at one of them but who cares ?
You said it at the best, if would only do 4 or 5 Shows in a month, you could sing more Songs and longer.
But at every Show my emtions were complete crazy, you sing every Song that it goes direct in my heart.

So, if we would not like your work we sure wont follow you !!!!
But we love it, so we do it !

Never ever stop Rockin´
Ingo

looking forward to the german tour start in 5 days !!!!!!
then i see the next 3 Shows there, and they will go in my heart again, no matter which songs you perform !

little_dancer

20 Oct 2003, 19:13

Meat-
I appreciate you opening up like this, but frankly, whomever said that your performance is 'half hearted' is so full of shit they're chocking!!!!!!! (I am sorry for using that language) you and I both know that that is a load of crap. In so far as you apologizing for having health problems, you can't PHYSICALLY be at 100% all the time- you're an artist- your integrity, heart and intensity are ALWAYS at 100%

I saw your show in Syracuse, NY, and it was one of the best SHOWS I've ever seen (not just of your shows, but of ALL the concerts I've been to). My boyfriend (he's a jazz musician) HATES Rock music, and HE said it was one of the best shows he's ever seen in his LIFE- and he, honestly, HATES rock music. His exact quote was "watching this man on stage shows me how much HARDER I can work"

I hope you aren't offended by my long response to your post. I know you are a very busy man these days, and I know I'm JUST one fan of many, but I want you to know a few things:

1) You ALWAYS give 100%, you inspire others to do the same.

2) Your peers (I am referring to other performers) could learn a thing or two about INTEGRITY by watching ANY one of your shows.

3) I consider your music to be a great blessing in my life. We are strangers to one another, but you have made a difference to me- just by doing what you do best- creating phenomenal music.

I am sorry for going on- your post really broke my heart, these people don't know music from a horse's ass. You have more talent, integrity and passion than the whole damn music business. Your songs, have been some of the best ever sang- and I am priviledged to have heard them.

that's as honest as I can be.

shadow1000001

20 Oct 2003, 19:36

Half Hearted my a**. I cannot believe that someone would even suggest that. I am totally dumbfounded :? .
We know that you give 110% and that is all that matters.
You are still my hero :D

Maria

ROSIE

20 Oct 2003, 19:39

Does anyone know where Meat got this half hearted twaddle from I've been searching but can't pinpoint the exact phrase.

Rosie

Renegade Angel

20 Oct 2003, 20:16

I really can't believe that anyone has actually said this half-hearted comment on here, maybe it was on another site or maybe it was printed in an article somewhere, but whoever DID say it needs their head tested cos every gig I've ever been to, I have always seen Meat work his little socks off, same when I've seen TV footage or heard Live albums - The man has even got a reputation for being the 'Hardest Working Showman' in the business.

MEAT - I can understand that any comment you have heard or seen may be upsetting when you go out of your way to give your all in shows but im sure I speak for most on here that us, as your TRUE FANS are and always will be behind you all the way and we all understand how much effort goes into one of your shows.
The set lists are fine, so stop worrying about what anyone thinks, any discussion about what songs people would like you to perform are just dream set lists for our own personal tastes but we are happy with whatever you decide to perform on the night.

The only thing that upsets me about this tour is that it will be your last and I'll never be able to take my own kids to witness the true Live experience of one of your shows.

Please don't feel that you have to defend every negative comment that floats around the internet about your shows - we know how hard you and the band work and some idiot saying otherwise should know better than to pick a fight with you and US!!!!

Keep Rockin'

Kitty Kat

20 Oct 2003, 21:32

Half hearted - what twit wrote that. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that you give 110%+ in all your performances. Maybe the voice might be a bit off sometime but 18 shows a month is bound to take its toll.
4 or 5 shows a month - you could walk it.

Ignore them all - they've got jelly for brains.

Looking foward to Manchester on 17 December.

Mike Piercy

20 Oct 2003, 22:15

We've seen you on Tour since 1982 Meat, don't let these morons get the better of you. We can't think of any other performer who puts so much into their shows and provides the energy, commitment and quality you do. You rock and always will.

Bums on seats is what it's about (in the UK a bum on a seat is a good thing!)

People vote with their feet - 400,000 ticket sales tells its own story - see you on Tour, we know you'll be just grrrrrrrrreat.

Feleena

20 Oct 2003, 22:39

Hi Meat

Ive been to see you and you never do anything by halves!!!! You blow me away with your wonderful voice and all the energy you put into a show.

You are also a very kind generous person. You take time to listen to us fans who probably babble on and on like me lol!!!

I will see you twice in the UK this year I can hardly wait!!!

Hugs

Feleenaxxx

Thought you needed a hug! :wink:

original sin

20 Oct 2003, 23:34

don't let the ~~~~~~s grind you down.

this has been going round in circles.

I don't care who think's is sad , I'm going to enjoy each and every concert I go to, and I don't give a monkeys armpit if i hear the same set list, 'cos I also enjoy playing my same albums over and over and over again in the same order and I aint tired of them yet

Jayd

20 Oct 2003, 23:41

Hi Meat, whoever said Half Hearted must be braindead, the shows I have been to are .... there is no words to discribe, because they are out of this world. My girlfriend first saw you in Manchester in 97, and she was blown away. She has been to many concerts because she likes a variety of Music and to her and me also, nothing even comes close to yours, and those words come from the heart, I can't wait till the 13th November, to be blown away again. ROCK ON FIREBALL :D

tukayaway

21 Oct 2003, 00:22

Meat, if you're half-hearted, why have you been able to sell out most of the venues for this tour?

I don't care about the quality of your voice either, it's the heart and passion that you put into your work. It's clear to everyone how much you like performing, don't let the muppets tear you down :)

CarylB

21 Oct 2003, 01:36

I have an idea the half-hearted remark may have been in a review posted on the OIFC board .. but I wouldn't swear to it. But you don't have to stray from here to find criticisms about the same playlists I fear. Meat makes a fair point though .. if anyone doesn't like his performance, or the fact that like most people on tour he has a set list which doesn't change every night, why do they go if they are just going to complain? Leave the tickets for fans who know what to expect and are more than happy with that.

And like Sin, I don't tire of hearing the same list of songs on a CD. I appreciate there are songs which people will expect, and if I go to several concerts I will hear them again. Luckily I love Meat's performance, so I'm happy whatever he sings, and am perfectly content that I will hear pretty much the same songs at different shows in the tour. Each show will have something different, each will be the best Meat can be, and each will be a wonderful experience.

I go to spend an evening with Meat Loaf. How he chooses to delight me is up to him .. and he never fails :) If he suddenly said "Hell .. I'm puffed. I'm just going to chat to you all for a bit and read you some extracts from Wind in the Willows" I'd be happy. I can go home and listen to all the songs .. but to hear him talk and joke is a magic which is not repeated .. and I know he'd bring Mole and Ratty to life on the stage :))

JulesB

21 Oct 2003, 02:14

I don't think the post was from a review on the OIFC, that review didn't mention a half-hearted performance. I think it may be a post on this site that may be the culprit.

JMHO,

Jules 8)

And Meat NEVER gives less than 125%! I saw 4 shows this summer and each show was different from the others and Meat gave his all.

Vickip

21 Oct 2003, 02:47

Hi Meat

The idea that your performances are only "half hearted" is absolute bullsh**t !!! It really pisses me off that someone would even suggest such a thing :angry:

This past September, I travelled 5 hours to go to your concert at the Mohegan Sun. A lot of people, including my Father, thought I was crazy, considering I was going to the show the following Saturday night in Atlantic City :) He couldn't figure out why I would want to go to the same concert twice in one week ....

But what he didn't realize is that they were both two totally different shows .... from the level of energy in the audience, to the theatrics and stories, to your interaction with the fans and the band ....

Ok let's do a comparison here between the two concerts I went to :

(a). Were the songlists the same ? Yes (with the exception of Frying Pan).
(b). Did you sound the same ? Yes -- brilliant both nights
(c). Did you give more than 150% at both shows? Yes.

(d). Were the theatrics different ? Yes.
(e). Was the interaction with the audience different ? Yes.
(f). Was your level of energy the same ? Yes.

(g). Was I disappointed ? ABSOLUTELY NOT
(h). Would I go see you again ? IN A HEART BEAT

If I just want to hear you sing, I could stay home and listen to the CD on the stereo (or in the car if I hadn't worn out my CD player :roll:).

The bottom line is I go to watch you perform the songs ... you said yourself that each show is like a great play, and I just sit back and enjoy each act while I sit there waiting to see how it ends :)

Here's an example for you ... Paradise By The Dashboard Light.
Although it will always be one of my favorites .... but it's a song that I have to watch you perform to enjoy it the most. Everytime I see it, it's totally different, and I enjoy it even more ... from being the "other woman" during the makeout scene in New Brunswick last year, to watching you and Patti having a ball with it this past September :)
So if your performances were "half-hearted" ... would you be able to keep Paradise as fresh and as much fun as you have for the past 25 years? I don't think so.

Oh and if you didn't care about your fans ..... would you take the time out of your busy schedule and talk to us on the forum? Probably not. But the fact that you answer our questions and get involved in the discussions whenever you can shows a true concern for your fans. Having the opportunity to talk to you really means a lot to me.

The bottom line is .... you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Please don't be so hard on yourself. I know it's easy for me to say, but instead of thinking about that 1 person who for some reason didn't like one of your shows, think about the other 49,999 or more who were there and had the time of their lives :)

Those are the ones, like myself and the majority of people here on the forum, that will keep coming back to your shows and continue to love and support you no matter what !

Now it's time for me to watch that Mexican concert on DirectTV once again :))

Thank you for everything
Love you always
Vicki

ladyloaf69

21 Oct 2003, 03:23

meat chill out will you. your true fans will always be there with you. you have been rockin for how many years now so why do u have to explain yourself. ever concert i have attended u gave 100% . i never saw half hearted . whoever posted that message saying that ,is a half hearted person.

loaferman61

21 Oct 2003, 03:46

I did not see the "half-hearted" comment either. But I have seen Meat live 5 times on different tours and have never seen him fail to give it all he had each & every time. Keep rockin' Meat & please don't let anybody "tear you down".

KsBat

21 Oct 2003, 04:39

Dear Meat:Don't let one person get you down. I have been a fan for quite a few years, but this concert is the first one I have seen live. I have seen some other performers who also did a good job, but none that bring the energy and enthusiam to a show the way you do. I saw the show in Hutchinson Kansas at the State Fair. I felt bad for you because of the setting (a stage in the middle of cow dung central) and not a lot of people there. I thought to myself, well here we go, he will probably be mortified with the turnout and give a good performance, but...What I got that night knocked my socks off.Let me say that your professionalism and energy and emotion were impressive.I have never before seen a show like yours and never will again (unless I am lucky enough to see you live again!)My entire family loves your music. Yours is the only music that my husband and I agree on. My kids absolutely LOVE the new CD. They are four and five and boy do they have good taste!I guess what I am trying to say is, don't let one person's opinion of your performance upset you. Those of us who are true fans love your music. We also love your energy and your ability to connect with an audience. We all feel that we know you when we leave a show. We also feel like you have known us for a short time.GOOD JOB MEAT! You are truly one of a kind!!!!LoveMichelle Knolesksbat

Beer-man

21 Oct 2003, 08:21

Oh mighty Meat,

Do not be concerned with the jibberish of idiots. Since the Bat II tour here in the grand old land of OZ I have been to your shows. They have all been brilliant. So much so, when I go to other concerts I always leave and comment, "it was good, but Meat Loaf went for 3 hours, and he rocked more". You are the best showman I have seen. Your concerts are not just a bloke up there to sing his songs, make some money from a tour and get the hell out of there. Your shows have meaning, and the song selection makes sence. It shows a level of thought well above that of your normal concert.

If you can advise me as to who is talking this crap (can I say crap here? I note that you can say shit, but not bloody.....Anyway I digress) I would be more than happy to start a lynch mob and dispatch them back into hell :twisted:

I got my Tickerts for Brisbane on the 28/2/2003 and I cannot tell you how excited I am. I cannot wait :!:

So meat Keep plugging away, there will always be those who seek to pull you down. but it is important to remember that they are usually those who are jealous of your huge talant and ability to sing that song just right.

Kathy

21 Oct 2003, 08:48

It was followed by a post by that "tribute" singer.

I know you want your shows to be perfect, and that's why you take these people seriously, but you shouldn't do that, because

They're just jealous!

You're the best, Meat. You make the world a better place.

Love, Kathy

MEAT LOAF TRIBUTE

21 Oct 2003, 10:50

CarylB

21 Oct 2003, 11:25

The review to which you refer was critical, and did refer to Meat's voice negatively, but I don't believe the reviewer accused him of a half-hearted performance, nor of being dismissive of his fans; it said he gave one hell of a show.

Someone else who had attended the same show disagreed, and I would query anyone saying it was a great show but "your voice was ****", however halfhearted was not a term used by that particular reviewer.

Personally, when Meat feels he's been carved up I think it's great that so many people show support for him and that we tell him just how much we appreciate all he puts into a show, that we know his exacting demands on himself, that we know how much he cares for his fans, and that he never disappoints us.

I'm not sure that singling someone out as the perpetrator and opening the door to a war between the boards is useful. Smeg is imo hyper-critical, expresses himself bluntly, and I often disagree with him. But I don't remember him saying Meat didn't care for his fans, and he praised the overall performance at Las Vegas. Nor to my recollection did he complain about the set list not changing.

dottie

21 Oct 2003, 11:36

Meat I have been to so many of your concerts beginning 1983, I've lost count :) Your are the greatest. Please don't let some t..t bring you down.

Beer-man

21 Oct 2003, 12:44

I wasn't talking about a cross board war.....I was talking about a lynching :twisted: big difference :D

CarylB

21 Oct 2003, 13:10

Yes Beerman, I appreciate what you said :)

Just this could so easily become a board war which I think helps nobody and sets fans against each other :( .. I know you weren't advocating that .. although I would hate to see someone strung up for something he didn't say :wink:

original sin

21 Oct 2003, 15:33

It was posted by smeghead, from the steinman boards this can be verified by vees latest post. Its also been mentioned by the culprit [smeghead] on the steinman boards so please dont infer it was anyone etlse! The tribute singers post in reply to smeghead just said "oh dear" p

Really well thats a first then because all I've seen him post for months are negative criticisms bordering on abusive. Mind you I suppose the fiddler will change his tune as the UK dates become closer :?

Kathy

21 Oct 2003, 18:33

I know it was Smeghead - I didn't "infer it was anyone else."
The "Oh dear" reply was a snide thing to say. From reading their posts, I have formed the opinion that these two are cut of the same cloth - they purport to be fans, but then proceed to snipe away at Meat.

tbuck

22 Oct 2003, 03:21

In the interest of the truth...
Once and for all, Smeghead did NOT use the term half-hearted or complain about the setlist not changing. This has been stated several times here. He and Meat had a discussion on the OIFC, since deleted, but he did NOT use those terms. I may disagree w/ Smeghead on many things, but let's do our best to keep things true and honest.

So someone said what they said and Meat responded. I appreciate his response and it truly shows how much he does care about the fans.

People are entitled to their opinions, however wrong. No, I'm not telling who posted the remarks Meat referred to, but it's on this site. What's the point? The statements have been discussed fully here already. What are some after....Carnivale justice?

I'd suggest take your time and energy and watch the first 7 episodes of Carnivale, which star Meat's daughter Amanda. They will be rerun on HBO November 2nd. She's great!

My rant for today,
T

Fire Ball

22 Oct 2003, 09:07

shadow1000001

22 Oct 2003, 09:15

Your welcome Meat :D
All we can do is speak out about how we feel and this is the way we feel about you :D

Maria

heat

22 Oct 2003, 10:09

Meat,

Thanks for the reply hun, we love ya too :D

dottie

22 Oct 2003, 10:28

Thanks for posting here Meat - looking forward to seeing you on the 17th November at Wembley

mariella

22 Oct 2003, 11:00

Thank you for explaining, Meat.

I somehow 'missed' the half-hearted-posting, so this was confusing for a while, but could not imagine Smedge saying someting like that.
I want to make that clear, since people here have meen mentioning his name, related to this.

But, now it is not so difficult for me to understand all this...

And yes, the show WILL be good!!!
Have a fantastic time in Germany, Friday the people in Halle will know what it's like when Meat Loaf rocks their town! Enjoy!

xxx

Mariella

Bart

22 Oct 2003, 11:05

Keep on rocking in a free world! 8)

Michel

22 Oct 2003, 11:14

I know the show will be good.

I hope to see you in The Netherlands soon.

Bart

22 Oct 2003, 11:31

You're the one and only rockstar. And don't you ever stop rocking, even when you are in a wheelchair ( Like on the lost boys tour, dance in my pants).

krolok

22 Oct 2003, 11:47

Hey Meat,

Im looking forward to saturday, when you proof again that you are the best !!!!

Rock Germany again, we will be there and we all love you !!!!!!!!!!

Never ever stop Rockin´

Eva

22 Oct 2003, 11:57

Hey Meat,

Im looking forward to saturday, when you proof again that you are the best !!!!

Rock Germany again, we will be there and we all love you !!!!!!!!!!

Never ever stop Rockin´

YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUSE!!!!! :wink: :wink: :P :P :P

Love you, MEAT
Eva

krolok

22 Oct 2003, 12:02

All right Eva, and 66% is a very good Song too :P :P :D :wink:

CarylB

22 Oct 2003, 13:12

Meat, you're a class act!!

No, we're not kissing your ass. But everything you do shows how much you care about your craft and your fans .. so it's no surprise if we think the sun shines out :lol: .. and an absolute given that we love you too, and support you any way we can. When someone as special as you casts their bread on the waters it's bound to come back with butter and jam!

Shane

22 Oct 2003, 13:57

I haven't read the entire thread, but I have read Meat's post. I believe it is our job to listen and understand the artist by the way he/she presents him/herself through live shows and albums. I do not believe it is the artist's job to simply take requests.

Granted, I haven't been to a live show, but I have seen the set list and read some of the points of view. I look beyond it just being a bunch of songs just merely for a night out. It reveals something about Meat's personality I think. As an actor he doesn't just sing songs but chooses ones that are suitable for what he needs to happen inside his head when he sings - that's the way I've understood it but I'm not nearly as good as Meat so Meat is the best one to understand it.

I know FCOL is a song that many people have indicated in the past that they'd like Meat to perform, and his response (if I remember correctly), is that he finds that particular song difficult to approach from an actor's point of view because he can't find the right situation to perform it in. But he'll be performing it with the MSO so I believe he's done us a favour which he isn't necessarily doing for himself.

At the end of the day, I'm just grateful Meat has decided to grace us with what is one last time for many of us. I hope I will be able to see him IF he comes to New Zealand (I still don't know).

Winston

22 Oct 2003, 14:42

Meat, this post is well written from yourself. Has your attitude change over the last few days or something? You call me everyname under the sun in numerous PM's over the weekend, take digs at me for giving my opinion then turn around and say I should come to your show. What sort of person calls a someone an asshole, ~~~~er, stupid for giving their opinion that you don't agree with. What's the deal with that? The truth is you do play the same songs mosts nights, which I have said, that is not a lie. Surely you should know this, seeing as your the one singing the songs. If you had have read my original post about being half hearted properly, I said that I feel if the same songs are being played, the same jokes etc are being done, then It's a half hearted performance becuase no effort is being made into changing the shows. Nothing was said there about your vocal ability or your ability to pull of a great show. As you pointed out to me over the weekend, I am not an artist, I do not know what goes on inside your head (alot of anger), but what I do expect from an artist is someone who can take criticism. Do you treat every journalist/reviewer the way you treated me the weekend if they say something bad about you. I think not. As for where I am sitting for the gig in Dublin, I'll be in GA, with a big sign with'Winston' written on it, so you will be able to see me.

original sin

22 Oct 2003, 14:55

Thanks for all the postive relpys, and your not kissing my ass and you all canto speakout and how you feel but lets keep in the area of truth, Now get "winston" to read these(Christine from Ireland) It won't change her mind but it may weaken her stance A little ,because she is making up her own truth, which is noT true,
Love you all also to you Christine as well, come to the show, and do want to know where you sitting. It will be good not bad!!!
Meat

Meat
No ass kissing intended, what I and others are saying now is exactly what we said at the time here and elsewhere.
Unfortunately it suits those who disagree with our opinions to dismiss us as ass kissers, or sad obsessive individuals.
You music has taken me through a great swathe of my life, and I thank you for it.
I have always said that whilst we will all have favourite tracks we have to trust you(and i do) and the band to delivery what you feel you can achieve and what suits the current mix and blend needed.
I am lucky and will be attending a few UK concerts it has never bothered me one iota that the setlist may be the same as I will be in the minority, neither do I expect CD quality performance, that would be unrealistic for all of us. What I do know is you are an entertainer and you will deliver the best you can given the circumstances on each niht that is all I expect and need. I know that each night I'm going to be sitting(maybe) with one heck of a stupid grin on my face.

Thank you and God bless

CarylB

22 Oct 2003, 15:38

Winston wrote:
.... but what I do expect from an artist is someone who can take criticism ....
But saying a set list is "crap" and suggesting Meat gives a half-hearted performance is the kind of criticism that Meat should not have to take lying down .. particularly as the jokes are NOT identical each time, nor are the shows. Some jokes will remain for a few shows .. some will be new each time .. the interaction with the audience will vary .. as does Meat's delivery of the songs. And the simple fact is that Meat NEVER gives a half-hearted performance. He himself is the first to admit when his performance falls short of the high standards he sets himself .. but the point is that this is never for want of effort. He DOES give every show his all, and if you can't see that you are in a very, very small minority.

Constructive and fair criticism is one thing .. but some of yours have been neither fair nor constructive. Any performer who works his socks off to give the best show he can would be upset by being told his set list is crap, his performance half-hearted, or having a tour dismissed as "The having fun and making money tour". Meat's an emotional human being for heaven's sake .. and it's this emotion which when harnessed on stage gives us the passionate delivery which is so outstanding and which makes him the enduringly popular artist he is. . And imo he deserves some sensitivity from his fans, because he is a human being and because he DOES give his all for us, and to suggest he doesn't must be just about the most hurtful thing anyone could say to this generous, hardworking and big-hearted man

Louise

22 Oct 2003, 15:43

Ok, everyone's entitled to their opinion - good or bad. But sometimes it's just the WAY you say something! Even the most hard hearted person has emotion somewhere :lol:

Cheer up, Meat. You know we all love you (well, most of us!)

love and hugs,
Louise xxx

Bart

22 Oct 2003, 15:51

As for Meat Loaf himself, he's a prince of a man-the genuine article...an incredible sense of humour with an acute eye and ear for rock n' roll theatre... I've never seen him refuse an autograph seeker or well-wisher, when they approach him... ever." Ray Anderson, former Meat Loaf musician.

Manheim

22 Oct 2003, 17:27

Heat

This whole topic including meat's half hearted proformance was put to bed in the fight club, but Meat decided to go in and wake it up. I was just pointing out that it's not just people's opinions that can hurt meat, it's also their actions.

Thank you Bruce Springsteen for your support, it's good to have an ally on this board and God know I need all the allies I can get.

krolok

22 Oct 2003, 17:32

I would say if someone does not like to hear the same Songs on every Concert he just have to visit 1 !!!!!

But then he would wonder how much emotions are in THIS Conerts and he wishes to get to another.
And he would be very disapointed, if Meat does not play "bat" or "anything" and the next day where he is not there maybe would it play.
Than you were angry too, am i right ???

I repeat, i go to 3 Concerts in germany and others go to much more, and no one cares about what songs were singing !!!

The Shows are as how they are !!!!!

Keep Rockin´

Bart

22 Oct 2003, 17:50

Sigh:
to release a long deep audible breath, expressive of sadness, longing, tiredness or relief.
Dutch: zuchten
French: soupirer
German: seufzen
Italian: sospirare
Spanish: suspirar

The Flying Mouse

22 Oct 2003, 17:57

This whole topic including meat's half hearted proformance was put to bed in the fight club, but Meat decided to go in and wake it up. I was just pointing out that it's just people's opinions that can hurt meat, it's also their actions.

I appreciate what your saying,but this is the thing Meat wants to talk about.Bringing up other arguments only confuses things,leads to off topic arguments,and takes the conversation a long way from where it's suposed to be (for instance,this post is hardly on topic :? ).
Maybe Meat doesn't know about Caryl's e card ,maybe he just doesn't want to talk about it,whatever,the point is if Meat wants to talk about it he will.This thread is the wrong place for it.If you wanna talk about it,you know where to find it.

Thank you Bruce Springsteen for your support, it's good to have an ally on this board and God know I need them.

I for one find this VERY disturbing :? .Talk of allies?This is a fan site,not a war zone.Setting up factions will drive fans apart rather than pulling them closer together :( .Agree or disagree with a point of view.Not with a person simply on principal.

Right.In an attempt to get this thing back on topic (and keep it out of Fight Club),I'm gonna see you at three shows during the tour Meat and i'm looking forward to each and every one :D .
If the set list is still the same i'm still more than happy just to see the master at work 8) .

Winston

22 Oct 2003, 18:07

...because she is making up her own truth, which is noT true...

Meat, I clearly remember you making up your own truth to me on Saturday about Bruce Springsteen. So it's alright for you tell tales then is it???

dottie

22 Oct 2003, 18:43

MBrevard

22 Oct 2003, 18:44

Hi! I hope you guys don't mind my jumping in here to go back to the earlier discussion that the same setlist, jokes, etc. for a Meat Loaf tour means a half-hearted performance. I'm in a very different time zone, so I'm just catching up on the thread.

Now, I realize that going to a live concert and that experience is different for each of us. So, I can't speak to how any of you feel or what you see when you're there. I can only speak to my own feelings. If people want to agree or disagree, that's okay with me.

Before I thought I was ever going to get to see Meat perform live, I began to collect every live performance that I could get my hands on, including audience recordings. I figured this was my best and only chance to hear what his concerts were like.

Over a period of time, I have collected a lot of them. Some are from the exact same tours and so they have the same set lists.

But what I found, when I listened to them for the first few times, was that they were NOT the same. We all know that it is not "Meat" up there singing to us, but the characters he creates, who come forward to sing the songs. And we all know that he describes himself as an actor--NOT a singer because this is his technique for performing.

These characters have something different to say to us every night or they choose to say what they have to say in a different way.

I've got to give an example here and I hope everyone won't mind.

Here is a small part of Bat, as it was performed in Cologne early in the year and broadcast on German radio: Please, everyone listen to it before going on to the next part of the post.

Bat out of Hell: Cologne (http://www.conubic.com/real/batK.mp3)

No matter how many times Meat sings that song, that section of Bat will NEVER be sung in exactly the same way!!!! This is what the character wanted/needed to say to us that evening!!

Now, if you don't believe me, or have never listened to the subtle (sometimes NOT subtle) differences before, here is the same section performed in 2002 in Leeds:

Bat out of Hell: Leeds (http://www.conubic.com/real/batL.mp3)

It will never again be sung THAT way, either!!

And so, this is how I, personally, came to truly appreciate Meat and his way of performing. And once you move to watching an actual Live performance, well, the differences between shows are enormous!! Same songs in many cases, but the way Meat and the band perform them is different every single time!

The jokes don't bother me. I have never heard an audience which did not laugh at them!! Jokes are jokes; comedians do the same ones again and again and they're still funny. It's the delivery which makes the difference and that's never the same.

Banter with the crowds is certainly always different. It HAS to be. None of us ever know what he's going to say to some heckler or when something unusual happens during the course of a show...

But as for the songs, I can never be bored listening to these recordings. No matter how many times I hear them, I always find something new that I had not heard before. And I certainly was never bored or dissatisfied at either of the 2 concerts from the Friends tour we got to see, nor the 4 shows from this Final World Tour we were fortunate enough to attend last summer!! Every single one was different, although the playlist per tour, was very much the same!!

And yes, there are songs that Meat MUST sing every time, because people love them so much, they demand it!!! Bat, Paradise, AFL, Took the Words, Two out of Three--people would be extremely unhappy not to have heard their favorite songs performed!! It's that way with every performer, who has a following and has songs which have become big hits.

I think it is a testament to Meat's creative genius (and I don't use those words lightly) to be able to keep a song like Bat, for instance, fresh and different each and every time he's sung it for OVER 25 YEARS!! (Can you imagine how many times that must be by now??! Amazing!) That doesn't just happen by accident. And I think it's phenomenal!!

Anyway, these are my thoughts on why I've never found Meat's shows to be half-hearted, no matter what the set list is. The ones I've seen and heard, he's always given everything he has--and more!!

Thanks for listening.

Love and peace, 8)
MB
xxx

shadow1000001

22 Oct 2003, 20:02

You are right MB. Not everyone will have the same experience at a live concert. I personally would be extremely upset if I didn't hear my favorites like Paradise, 2 Outta 3, etc. It is really hard to change the setlist when so many people want to hear the classics and you only have so much time to do your set.
I cannot belive that there is talk of having allies here. We are all fans and we all have an opinion which we are free to share. It wouldn't be much fun if we all had the same one but it seems that not only are opinions being shared but specific people are being singled out for whatever reason. Certain topics have been laid to rest, why can't they be left there. I don't see the point in beating a dead horse.

Kathy

22 Oct 2003, 21:24

I'm sorry for not having my facts straight and muddying the waters. When I read Smeghead's post over there, I started out reading, then skimmed the rest when I decided (personal opinion) it was unfair; then later just ASSUMED it was the post with the "half hearted" comment because Meat himself was, at that time, unhappy with Smeghead. Never "assume," right? Thought I had learned that a long time ago - maybe I've got it now.
-Kathy

22 Oct 2003, 22:42

Excuse me for butting in here, but it's Cologne not Kologne. :p :))

MBrevard

22 Oct 2003, 22:52

Thanks, R.!! :oops:

I don't mind the correction at all! As you know, I'm not a person who's been able to travel much! :wink:

I'll make the change to the original post. This is what I had printed on my recording of it!! :roll:

Love,
MB
xxx

22 Oct 2003, 22:58

In german it's Köln. There's your 'K'. 8)

And now ... back on topic, please

Sapphire Lady

22 Oct 2003, 23:36

I think it's a very sad state of affairs that Meat felt the need to start this "Half Hearted" thread.

We all have a choice - to buy tickets for his shows or not to buy tickets for his shows. Those who aren't happy with whatever aspect of the show quite simply shouldn't buy any tickets. Surely the fact that most of the tour is sold out speaks for itself.

And at the end of the day, why do we all go to Meat's shows? Surely it's not to look for perfection in every note and different songs every night?

I am going to 3 of the shows and I am going because I want to have a good night out and be able to sing and dance along to the music I love. And there is no doubt in my mind that I'm going to have a great time. :D

Winston

23 Oct 2003, 00:25

I "don't care about my fans"
Of all the things I did say in the original post I certainly did not say that. So I would hope you are not directing that at me. Seems to me your telling lies here not me.

ChrisBelfast

23 Oct 2003, 00:30

i bet the conversation will be running wild at your M+G winston?

Winston

23 Oct 2003, 00:32

Well from threatning to get me thrown out at the concert to saying he would like to meet me, then yes the conversation would be very interesting. I would have far more interesting things to talk to Meat about than set lists etc. Bottom line is I am a fan of his and his music, my opinion of the set list got me into trouble. That's my problem no one elses. I will not apolgise for making the statement I did.

ChrisBelfast

23 Oct 2003, 01:06

im sure it was a joking tone he used when he threatened to get you thrown out. Everyone's entitled to their opinion i guess

Winston

23 Oct 2003, 01:11

Except me of course. My opinion on a repetitive set list is aparently all lies, when it's there in black in white for all to read, except the changing of 1 or 2 songs. Joking? He has a way with words Meat does, every second word was an expletive, so obviously it's the only way he canexpress himself when he's angry. I did not take it as a joke or any of the stuff he said to me. As unpopular as I am on this board, I would never speak to ANYONE the way he went on at me.

BostonCPA

23 Oct 2003, 02:48

Meat your great at what you do and don't ever let them get you down.
I moved to the US from Denmark when I was 10. My very first concert here in the states was you. I was 11 and I am now 30 and I still love to see you up there giving it your heart and soul. I saw you in Boston on Sept 24th next to the woman that showed you her boobs. I thought the show was great and I loved the small intimate setting.
If I ever got the chance to see you again, I couldn't be happier. :wink:

P.S If you ever need a tax girl, just call. :lol:
Most Love,
BostonCPA

badger

23 Oct 2003, 04:04

Oh dear.

Unfortunately I have not been around on the boards as much as i would have liked recently, some of you will know why, but one thing I didn't expect to see when I came back were 'fans' actually having a pop at Meat's performance.

I am trying to undertstand exactly why you are calling Meat half-hearted in his performances. Meat has so many fans acros the world, that may only get to see him once, so he is obviously going todo the most popular songs he has recorded, plus his own favourites. If you do not like these songs, and you feel you know what is going to be played, why go to the concert?

It reminds me of a time (back in the day :P ) when I went to see Gary Moore in concert. I watched one of the most amazin guitarists ever pull out a truly memorable performance and left with my jaw on the ground. But just as I walked through the hall of the teatre I heard some moron moaning "why didn't he do parisianne walkways? How could he not do it, it ruined everything..."

Surely if you are a true fan of an artist and go and see them live, you want to see them give the best performance possible, which means doing the songs they want to do.

I am sure Meat spends a lot of time producing a setlist that he feels is fun and enjoyable for him to do, whilst also giving the fans what they want, and I for one thing he gets it on the button every time.

If Meat decided he wanted to try something different one day, and he would get enjoyment out of doing a concert of b-sides, I would love to hear him doing what he wanted to do. If he chose to do the most popular songs, all the singles etc, then again, I would want to hear him give his best performance which would be doing what he wanted.

At the end of the day we go to see Meat. Personally, I would want to see him perform the songs that he feels are his best, the most appropriate, and what he thinks the fans want. After all , he has been in the music business longer than I have been alive, so I would think he has the most experience out of all of us.

Fireball:
I look forward to seeing the greatest live performer in action in December. We all know you will gie it everything you have got, like you have done your whole life. I dont care if people call me an ass kisser or a vrown noser or anything else, I know what I think and what I feel, and I think I feel the same as pretty much every Meat Loaf fan around.

Lets all 'Keep on Rockin!'

Winston

23 Oct 2003, 14:42

Again, I shall repeat myself for the people who are coming on here and mouthing off without reading my original post, that included the words 'half hearted'. What I sad was that 'Why should I except a half hearted performance from any artist'. Exact words. Now people, please read the original post I put up and please tell me where I said that I thought Meat was giving a half hearted performance vocally, physically etc.

The half hearted remark was in relation to a repetitive set list. NOTHING ELSE.

Kitty Kat

23 Oct 2003, 21:05

I think that the set lists are bound to be repetetive to a certain extent. We all have our favourite songs that we hope to hear at the concerts we visit. However it certainly doesn't mean that we don't like the show just because our favourite doesn't happen to be on the list.

No-one can please everbody all the time, but to please 95% of fans 95% of the time is, I think, something that Meat can be really proud of. After all 400,000 bums on seats speaks for itself.

Jayd

23 Oct 2003, 22:22

You know, when I sit here at my computer and read some of this stuff, it really makes me laugh, childish argument's, people do have their right to an opinion to say what they want, but it doesn't mean we have to agree and get drawn in to pettish arguing. If you don't like the same songs each time you go to a concert, only buy for one night then. Let someone else have the privelage of listening to Meat and enjoy themselves on a different night. Remeber were not the only one's going to see him, there are many thousands more in that venue too. So less of the arguing the arguing please, and let's all enjoy what's coming up in the next couple of weeks. :D

Geembobble

23 Oct 2003, 22:25

My first ever concert I went to was Meat Loaf when I was about 10 and this will be the 3rd time I've seen him and I'd just like to say that his performances and subsequent ones on tv could hardly be seen as half-hearted. Since then I've seen other bands and none have been as good as Meat. Cant wait for the Glasgow show.

24 Oct 2003, 00:15

I 've split some messages from this topic because I do think they simply don't belong here. You know were to look.

badger

24 Oct 2003, 03:34

I shall repeat myself for the people who are coming on here and mouthing off

i assume you are not refering to me, as to say i am 'mouthing off' would be very rude.

I have aread your post, and stated that your half hearted comment must be about the set list, however would you rather see a set list made by a man who has many many years of experience in music, chooses what he thinks his fans want, and what he enjoys doing, or something that is different for the sake of being different?

Winston

24 Oct 2003, 16:58

I would like him to be different. Try different things/songs. Thats what I would like, obviously the majority people are happy with the current situation. Fair enough.

Apologies Badger for being rude to you. I'm getting pissed of with people not reading my full post and taking bits and pieces out of Meat's post and making up their own assumptions as to what I was supposed to have said. Not everything that comes out of his mouth is Gospel.

Jayd

24 Oct 2003, 17:03

Shellyb01

24 Oct 2003, 19:27

Meat,

for me you could stand there and sing the same song for an hour and a half, and do the same song every night of your tour .... I would still come and see you, i would still adore you, I would always be a fan, and will always be a fan.

I don't believe you have ever been half-hearted .... you are the only singer I have seen in concert that I have been desperate to see again as soon as the show has finished ....

I saw you last year at the Summer Pops in Liverpool and I have never seen you perform better than you did that show. I am going to see you again next month at Manchester Arena on the 13th November, and no doubt you will be even more fantastic than you were in Liverpool.

Keep rockin' Meat - it's what you do best! :wink:

I'll always be a fan .....

Lots of love'n'stuff

Shelly xxxxxxx

Vickip

24 Oct 2003, 23:04

Can everyone not just forget this now, as it is getting a bit boring now, everyone's had there say, so let's look forward to watching Meat perform.
Pleeeeeeeaaaaassseee, no more arguing, and more getting on, were all Meat fans, not rival football hooligans. Thankyou :D

You are absolutely right Jayd2 !!
Thank you :))

Believe me .. you don't know how much I wish I could be there with you guys in Europe right now :)) But I had my fun in September ... and now it's time for you to have yours !!! Enjoy the shows everybody !!

Vicki

Lady B

26 Oct 2003, 09:19