solong --farewell

[Fire Ball]

THANK YOU<

For all the support and love that the lot of you have given me, you spoke your truth about CHSIB I did not argue , because it is like art in a museum everyone sees something else, as the artist I tried explaining some it to so you so saw the picture better. Now most artist are very sensitive and insecure and i stand among them a total pardoid and but I am
one artists who cares more about the audience weither it's playing for them, making records, live, OR film
, just be at one of those celebrity golf tournaments, signing when every I'm asked, for you at the end of show even though I can barley spell Meat Loaf how dumb have you got to be to not be able to do that. Then your at point on a given night where it just all clicks in as is magic , the band felt it at tier to a man. and they don't come often were everything feels rights everything works the way you want it to. you thank the lord right on stage. this year there has been fewer, because of several reasons, but germany I was getting back in my grove and the last show was magic to me my voice after the first 4 mins did what every I wanted it to it soared when I wanted it It hushed-seemed it was there I was in the Zone. and it seemed in early reviews that others thought so also. then Michael crushed me. I mean really hurt because I can't do better, on one show as a whole one songs might better on a given night I don't do a show from song to song it is an 2 hour musical space , I haven't written back about any of the other reviews because I agreed with them if some-said he miss a couple of spots their were right,
Let me explain for my little friend winston
It is much much harder
to be creative in the same space every night and and try never to repeat yourself exactly every night never be the same, yes just like a comedy on the west end you do use things that work but you vary them every night so there are not exactly doing the same thing over and over again.

keeping the same set and space and being creative in it is a 1000 times more work , than bands who only know to change there sets to be creative , why because there are musicians, once again I am actor who brings something different to you standard rock night out. and 50% of the music press have hated me for me, because people hate what the don't understand
, they just don't like feeling stupid so they must put it down, that is why Jim has just always laughed at them, he is better at that than me. I am sorry my out bursts , truths are fine, but misquotes, lies, more ,miss-quotes, assumptions, rumors, and hatred toward me make me upset. You have never seen the worst of me thank god for that because some people would have need 20 years of t therapy when I would have got done .I can be a very mean cruel person who always went straight for the Kill ........ Love you all good and bad, try to look ant the show as a 2 hours play not song after song concert, it is that is very thought out ask the band next any of you are talking to me outside the bus.

I leave the site now better informed and but better knowing it's time to hang up the spurs. To Shane TRying to come to NZ really trying we may be back for 15 or 16 shows in europe in JUne and July. I am not going back out in American right now CHSIB moved up to 36 on the hot AC and if its moving another 15 places and we cross to pop WE HAVE A HIT!



So this is good bye from this site.
I have a site opening soon
it will be a pay site but not to much and I will be there all the , WE want
R from here to come withus.

Goodbye and I love you , Winston you got your wish I'm( NOT BECAAUSE
I WANT TO BUT YOU WILL BRING OUT THJE WORST IN ME , ASK GOD AND WALK AWAY TURN THE OTHER CHECK. MY YOU FIND HAPPINESS IN YOUR LIVE. and just bitter and sorry!







gone and not reading!!! But the other website will be up and I know you want pay.

Last Laugh!!!

Goodbye to all the big time fans,
Keep rocking
Meat


AGAIN GOODBYE AND LOTS OF LOVE!!!!

Forever Meat

[Juan Llanos]

:( :( :( :( :(

Do you leave this forum?... why? for only a stupid opinion of one person... all fans love you and we want that you stay here too...


Good luck with your new site...

[MichaelHarrison]

No Meat please don't leave.....!!!!!

[MBrevard]

Oh, Meat! Such sadness!!

All of us here saw with increasing pain, your reactions to things said. So, I suppose this moment may have been inevitable, although most of us were trying to stave it off.

But there is/was so much more to say to you--to share with you--to 'sing' with you.

It goes without saying that I send my best wishes to all that lies in your future, for it will be in my future, too! I send my love and my thanks for a life you have helped to change for the better.

I wish I could find the words to make you change your mind, make you turn around and stay, but quite frankly, I couldn't stand to watch you hurting again and again and again. I'm sure I was not alone in feeling that way.

I am deeply saddened to hear that you may not come back to the US as we had hoped and prayed. I hope you WILL change your mind about that, when you've had some distance from all that has happened here.

You have so many fans over here--so many fans around the world--who want you, who need you in their lives. I don't think that any of us will ever give up on you.

Your new site--well, of course, many of us will happily be there!! And we wish you much luck with it, as well.

I wish I could find the words...but, for a change, they fail me.

Take good care of yourself, Meat!! Enjoy the rest of your European and UK concerts!!

Please know that we will always be here for you, in whatever way that can be!

It has been a great pleasure and a privilege having you here with us for this time!! I can't think of many other artists who would open themselves up in this way.

You have always been and will always be truly one-of-a-kind!!

God bless and keep you!!

Sending love to you and yours,
MB
xxx

[shadow1000001]

Meat,

I am extremely sad to hear that you are feeling this way. MB is right, we all saw it coming but we tried to ignore the inevitable.
My best wishes are with you and I wish you all the happiness and love for your future.
As you know, many of us will be there for you at your new site. That goes without saying.
I wish I could say something to change your mind but I don't think that will happen.
Take care of yourself and all my love to you and yours,

Maria

[krolok]

Meat please dont leave us !!!!!

Ok, i understand that you are in a bad mood in because of a few people, but always think about them how loves you !

We are more than the others !!!

Hope to see you again, and wish you all best on earth.

Never ever stop Rocking !!!!

Krolok

[ROSIE]

please don't let the small minded minority spoil it for the Meat loving majority

Rosie

[Steven Steinman]

NEVER STOP ROCKIN MEAT. IF IT WASENT FOR YOU I WOULDNT HAVE SUCH A GREAT LIFE AND JOB.

STEVE
WWW.THEMEATLOAFSTORY.COM

[ROSIE]

We can't sit back and let this happen, he sounds so hurt


Rosie

[dottie]

This isn't really happening - is it?
Its all a dream!
We'll wake up and find none of this occured :!:
Wednesday 5th November 2003 Oh what a lamentable day :cry:

WE LOVE YOU MEAT LOAF]

[Bart]

Trust me. This is not happening. he is addicted to this forum. He'll come back.

Some very good news: he'll come back to Europe in JUne! So he comes to Holland!!!! :D :D :D 8)

[Bart]

And let me say this straight. This is nobody's fault. This is not caused by 1 or 2 persons. We cannot blame anybody here. It is Meat's decision. he is an adult. So don't start yelling here please. And by the way, again, he'll come back. I am damn sure about that.

[Sapphire Lady]

And let me say this straight. This is nobody's fault. This is not caused by 1 or 2 persons. We cannot blame anybody here. It is Meat's decision. he is an adult. So don't start yelling here please. And by the way, again, he'll come back. I am damn sure about that.

I absolutely agree with you Bart. We all participate in this forum by choice. If anyone, including Meat, decides they don't want to participate anymore then it's sad but it's their own personal choice.

[Sue K]

We can't sit back and let this happen, he sounds so hurt


Rosie

Well, happy Guy Fawkes Day, eh?

Meat says he won't come back to read or reply so I'm not sure anything can be done to get him back. I see he does want R to come along and be involved in the new site so the connection will still be there.

But, I know just where Meat is coming from in his work-a-day world. Let's face facts. Meat's "job" is to entertain. It's a job albeit a bit more glamorous (yeah right) than what other people do for a living, but I can identify with him. There you are, working your behind off to please everyone and you think you are doing a good job of it and you are pleased with yourself and then ...BOOM ...there's that one little bastid that you allow to ruin it for you. I have it happen to me nearly every other day. I'm working for a company that has had numerous cut-backs. I work in an office and as each member of staff leaves their job is dropped in my lap and I try to do my best to cover all bases, doing things that I've never done before, off the cuff, new things, trying new things, trying to do the old in a more efficient way, trying to please all, proud that I'm able to do the things, and BOOM, that one little bastid, I ALLOW to ruin it for me. And it hurts.
I'm not looking for an atta-girl or pat on the head at every turn. I just don't want a kick in the butt for one minor infraction.
To do a hundred things a day, 99 of them proper and 1 goes a bit by the wayside and that's the one that gets pointed out.
And that's where I see the point of what Meat is hurting about. He gives all of himself into each and every show and it's not just the 2 hours fans see. There's prep time, rehersal, changes, constant changes and what happens? He performs his butt off up there for 120 minutes sometimes more but for sake of argument take an even number and 119 of them to all are magical and then there's that one minute that someone points out, the sound went off, his voice went off, he didn't stand on their side of the stage, he didn't do their song, blah blah blah blah blah...
So, how really is he supposed to feel? He can't control how a fan feels. The fan has to bring that to the show. He can't control every single little thing that happens on the stage or in the theater, etc.
I'm rambling.
I'm upset.
I'm upset for Meat.
I'm upset for the fans that so enjoyed turning their computers on in the morning, as is MY habit, to see if he's visited here.
I'm upset for me.

As for him saying that, at this point in time there's no American leg scheduled, in my heart, I know, time will soothe, things will change.

Just yesterday I announced at work to those who care that they will be on their own the day Meat is playing where I can get to him because I'm not missing him. It could be the last I can ever see him and I intend to be there. I have faith he will be there and I will too.

He's always there for me, not in the physical sense, but in my heart and my mind. His music gets me through my lousy work-a-day life.

I'm rambling again.

Okay, I'm done now. It's the best I could do for 5am in the morning. There's probably more I want to say, could have said better.

Hope you did come back to read, Meat. Don't ALLOW the one bastid, or two, bring you down.

Take care.

Thank you, bless you, love you and stay well.

Biiiiig hug.

Sue K aka tink of ROL...a bit weepy when she promised herself she wouldn't be...tuh...another broken promise...

[krolok]

I want to thank THESE guys for this Fu.... day.

Some people are never happy !
I hope you are now !

I think we should be very happy that Meat is (was) so close to us.

Why you always think that you could do it better or know better whats Meats mood is or his Show ?????

People like you are not worth it to listen to Meats music, and get this what he gave!
You are not real fans!!!!

Hope you have a nice day, and may the devil get you´r souls !

Meat the real German, English, Dutch, American.... Fans love you !
See you !!!!

[Bart]

For christ sake! Stop with this scapegoate thing."Who's to blame here: nobody.

[Sapphire Lady]

For christ sake! Stop with this scapegoate thing."Who's to blame here: nobody.

I second that.

[SueW]

It's quite likely that he was planning not to post here any more anyway once his new website opens.

You will still be able to post messages to Meat Loaf....it's just that you'll have to pay for the privilage.

Sue

[Bart]

I am definitely not gonna pay for anything. It is ridicilous.

[Guppie]

And let me say this straight. This is nobody's fault. This is not caused by 1 or 2 persons. We cannot blame anybody here. It is Meat's decision. he is an adult. So don't start yelling here please. And by the way, again, he'll come back. I am damn sure about that.
I hope you're right, bart, but I don't think so... :?

This pay site... I never surfed to a site where I had to pay. How does that work?

[Testify]

well looks like i wont be able to post anything on the new site. mum wont let me.

i have never heard of a site where u have to pay to say something. i to wanna know how it works.

[Bart]

I don't wanna know at all :x . He may put it right down his bootom. I am not gonna pay to speak to him. If that's the reason he leaves this forum, well, what a moneymaker he is :x .

[BostonCPA]

I have deleted my post and wish Meat the best and will miss him. I hadn't been able to see him for awhile up entill Sept. and to now not be sure if I will again is sad. I feel for him and only wish him happiness, because when I saw him that's how I felt.

If you ever need a CPA or hey maybe you could throw alittle Celtic dance into your last concerts, baby I am here.

Most, BostonCPa

[CarylB]

Meat, you bring such joy and excitement to so many every time you step on stage. You have talked about how Rock and Roll has its roots in the gospel the slaves sang when their lives were wretched to take them to a better place, and the total concentration and effort you bring to your craft has given this gift to so many. In similar vein your presence here has brought excitement and pleasure to so many of us. Whatever you choose to do now cannot take away one precious moment of that.

I've said before that it's the depth of emotion you feel as a human being which is the wellspring that enables you to bring such emotion into your performances. No-one comes near you in conveying passion, joy, despair through song. What we see on stage is real which is why it blows us away. You open your heart and soul, the core of your emotion, every night and put this on the line for us before you leave, bleeding and exhausted.

No doubt some will suggest you were planning to leave anyway, or make comments about having to pay to be part of your new site. Some will hop on and ask for more concerts or different songs. This kind of failure to understand the precious gift you brought here is what has driven you away.

You brought yourself to this forum. And because you are who you are, you did not come as a "star" (something you hate and eschew) but as a human being with all the hopes, fears, fun, enthusiasm and emotion that comes with it. You did not come here for critical analysis but to share something of yourself, and most of us have felt privileged that you did.

When you set foot on stage there is true magic. Right now I am reminded of the child who will pull the wings off a butterfly out of misguided curiosity, because picking apart the magnificent and magical whole that is you and the gift you bring is to do just that. And now some will stand back and, like the robot Number 5 who crushed the butterfly and couldn't understand why it could not be reassembled, no doubt be puzzled at your reaction. Sadly I'm not. We've seen your hurt, but still some have insisted on their divine right, duty even, to pick you and the magic apart. What we sow we reap. You have bled once too often. A true family understands, cares for, respects and protects the feelings of its members out of love. You came to us here as family, and brought your inner child with all its honest openness and eager innocent excitement as well as its creativity. Shame on our family today for those who persisted in bruising and abusing it, but mostly for being blind to what they were doing.

Like many today I weep for losing you, but thank you so much for the precious gift of sharing yourself with us for the time you did. Would that I could put my arms around you and hug the hurt away. Would that I could change your mind. We had something rare and precious, and now it's gone.

[R.]

Just allow me to post a short rant:

<rant>
I think it's quite useless and a waste of energy and database space if you bicker about a website you simply don't know.
I'd rather prefer that we wait until the site is finally online and all of us have found out for what we have to pay.
</rant>

Thanks for your time.

[evil nickname]

Meat I will hunt down that person like the dog he is if it means keeping you.

You really think such a remark is nescessary?

[aussielovesmeat]

Meat, I am so sorry you have been hurt by some people's comments.
I really struggle to understand people who say they are fans, but then disect everything, and feel the need to come on here and deliver hurtful comments. :x
I've said it before, will say it again now... anyone who has ever been to one of your concerts would have to be blind not to see that you give 110%
You can't fake something like that !!! And what more can people want than that :roll: Crikey, you already give all that you can.........

Please take care of yourself, and enjoy the rest of your tour !!!!!

I hope someone will post when the new site gets up and running, I'll be joining !!!

God Bless you Meat
Kaye

[Cpl Mickey]

I would like to agree with R. lets wait until the site is up and running, before we say we will or won't pay. We should respect Meat's decision :cry: :cry:

[Manheim]

This is my view on things and may cause more grief than it's worth,but the hell it it.

What seems to be Meats problem? Can he not take a bit of criticism? We all know and realise that he puts a lot of effort into his performances, nobody doubts that, but there's no way he or any other performer can give 100% day in and day out without serious effect on his health and performance. He's going to have off days and unfortunately people are going to catch him on those days. Some of those people will be members of this board and surly with Freedom of Speech they should be allowed voice their views on that particular show good or bad without both members and the artist themselves ripping them to shreds. Every time something negative is posted on this board other members jump right in and lash the poster out of it because they don't agree with them. You don't see members lashing other members who put up positive posts by calling them names and implying that their stupid or thick. There's no point in having a message board like this unless people are willing to accept the positive and the negative views of its members. It's seems to be that only positive things are only allowed here. What ever happened to Freedom of Speech? I think that is totally wrong of Meat to come on here and abuse people the way he has just because they personally felt that it was a bad show for them. I can guarantee he doesn't treat reporters and columnists like this when they write bad reviews about his music or acting and I'm sure he has got some bad reviews at some time or an other. Meat is in the business long enough to know that you can't please all the people all the time, their is no way he's going to get everybody to like him, no matter what he does. What's he going to do, write to all those people who don't like him or his music and call the names and abuse them just because they don't like him?

My impression and I state MY impression of most of the people on this board is that you can't see any bad in the man; to you he is the most perfect thing ever, even more perfect than god. He has no flaws and performs and gives 1000% (one thousand) every time. No artist can do that, and you people need to start realising that and accept that he has bad days and let other people point out that he had a bad day without abusing them and lashing them out of it for giving their opinion. It would seem to me that no matter what Meat does (good or bad) you people would think it was wonderful. I realise that you too have your opinions, but there is no need to belittle those who have a different opinion than yours, you should just accept their views like they accepts yours.

I think it's time to put an end to all the bitterness on this board and start afresh. Meat is gone from here and there is little anybody can do about that, he is a strong minded person and speaks his mind and seems to me that once he's made a decision, there's no going back on it. It's time to move on and try and get this board back to what it should be, a forum for Meat fans to Post good or bad views on the man and his career. Let's all be friends and learn to accept the views of everybody. There's nothing worse than going on to a forum and seeing people taking swipes at each other, it doesn't look good for the members of the forum or the artist for which the forum is dedicated. I'm sure there have being people who have come to view this forum and decided after reading some of the threads that they couldn't be bothered getting involved in it, that if their opinions couldn't be accepted, then they didn't want the hassle that it would bring.

What do you say? Let's bury the hatchet and move on. Let's make this board the best it can be with both the good points and the bad points being treated equally. Let's make so that anybody who decides to take a peek can go, "God, this is a great board where both sides are treated equally". Hopefully they'll tell their mates and the membership will shoot up and Meat's fan base will grow from strength to strength and make what Meat does even better.

[CarylB]

Can he not take a bit of criticism?

He has said he gets upset by criticism. We have seen that he does. It was obvious.

Meat opened himself up here to us. To some of us that was priceless, and worth accepting that criticism was hurtful, and best avoided if he were to continue to come here and share his feelings with us, because he obviously is wounded by, and reacts to criticism. It's how he is, and for many of us that was fine. Having him here was more important.

It's not that he's incapable of doing anything wrong, just that he doesn't welcome being told this in a forum of his fans. I was blessed with the most wonderful father possible. He was not completely without flaws, but I rejoiced in all his good qualities, and did not hold the odd weakness up to his scrutiny. My opinion is that Meat came here like family. He brought himself, not his stage persona here. To me that was something special. It was clear that he was hurt by criticism, and as far as I'm concerned he gives enough that is shining and good for me to respect those feelings, because I could not see him continuing to come and share himself if he felt attacked, whether this was intentional or not. It's just how he clearly felt.

However those who prize their freedom of spech have won out. I'm just responding to what you say Manheim and giving my view under that umbrella of freedom of speech people are so concerned about. So please, no talk of firefighters, or threats to my friends. I have made no threats to or about you. Just honestly responded to your question.

[CarylB]

I think it's quite useless and a waste of energy and database space if you bicker about a website you simply don't know.

Wise words oh plumbing, gun toting grasshopper :)

[Winston]

The Truth is hard to swallow when your choking on your pride.

[Bart]

he, he, he.lol. :mrgreen:

[Jayd]

Just come home from work and saw Meat's post and I have got to say, it put sadness into my heart to read it. I don't think putting him down even more at this time is appropriate, like kicking him when he is already down. And like R said, lets wait and see Meat's new site when it opens and then decide if you want to pay or not, your not gonna be forced. :(

[ladyloaf69]

what is the new website called anyways, i hate to see meat go but it is liek what he did in america at his suppose to be meet and greets, he turned his back on his fans. just because of certain people causing the problems he took it out on everyone . that is real professional in my book. so now u have to pay for a site, isn't he making enough money , why should people have to pay . i am sorry i am just upset that this happened. i feel that meat needs to be more professional at what he does instead of using his acting to show how he really feels

[Guppie]

C'mon... just because he doesn't want to post here anymore, doesn't mean he turns his back on his fans.
I don't take it that way.

[BostonCPA]

Meat I will hunt down that person like the dog he is if it means keeping you.

You really think such a remark is nescessary?

Sorry! I was just playing no need to get our panties in a twist.
Meat won't leave us, he loves us too much. Cross your fingers.


Most, BostonCPA

[mariella]

C'mon... just because he doesn't want to post here anymore, doesn't mean he turns his back on his fans.
I don't take it that way.
Me neither! Just don't see it as turning his back on us!

xxx

Mariella

[ladyloaf69]

i am sorry u don't feel .but for someone to not post here anymore because of certain people that is ridicilous. why take it out on the rest of his fans when it only has to do with certain ones. why hurt his true fans

[ChrisBelfast]

Meat probably wouldnt have posted here anyway once his own site is up and running, i guess he saw this the best time to leave, although it was under sad circumstances. I still think he'll be reading here though, just not posting. How could an artist not read a fan board, its his biggest source for feedback. Maybe things will die down a bit and he'll appear again.

[mariella]

I think if Meat doesn't feel comfortable with posting here, he has, like ALL of us, every right NOT to do this anylonger. THAT simple!

xxx

Mariella

[hawkmoonnl]

i am sorry u don't feel .but for someone to not post here anymore because of certain people that is ridicilous. why take it out on the rest of his fans when it only has to do with certain ones. why hurt his true fans

True fans? :? Excuse me but someone who has (some) negative feedback can still be considered as a true fan as well. At least they speak out at high volume and don't take everything for granted. True fans...never knew they excisted till today.... :(

[ladyloaf69]

to each his own but mine is gone

[mariella]

Can he not take a bit of criticism?

He has said he gets upset by criticism. We have seen that he does. It was obvious.

Meat opened himself up here to us. To some of us that was priceless, and worth accepting that criticism was hurtful, and best avoided if he were to continue to come here and share his feelings with us, because he obviously is wounded by, and reacts to criticism. It's how he is, and for many of us that was fine. Having him here was more important.

It's not that he's incapable of doing anything wrong, just that he doesn't welcome being told this in a forum of his fans. I was blessed with the most wonderful father possible. He was not completely without flaws, but I rejoiced in all his good qualities, and did not hold the odd weakness up to his scrutiny. My opinion is that Meat came here like family. He brought himself, not his stage persona here. To me that was something special. It was clear that he was hurt by criticism, and as far as I'm concerned he gives enough that is shining and good for me to respect those feelings, because I could not see him continuing to come and share himself if he felt attacked, whether this was intentional or not. It's just how he clearly felt.


Thank you, Caryl. Ofcourse I too feel sad today. But I think this is what has been happening here at the forum. Thank you for putting it into words for me!

xxx

Mariella

[Manheim]

Right folks, this is probably going to be the post that gets me banned for life or will cause this topic to be moved to the now popular Fight Club.

I've being an observer on this board for a few months and haven't posted much, I've sat back and kept my mouth shut because I was asked to but I now feel it's time to take the gloves off and let rip.

I've being on a few message boards and I have never before seen the kind of crap that goes on here on those. This board has become nothing but a bitching board and it's a small group of people that have it this way, with their over protection of Meat. It's these people who have the board the way it is and it's these people that have forced Meat and others way from it. They keep hounding the people who have negative things to say about Meat and then get their mates to log on and join their bandwagon and make the negative poster feel like s hit. It's amazing, once a negative post goes up, and one of this small group sees it, the number of their cronies that sign in and post goes through the roof. Also if members of this elite group do anything that might offend Meat outside of this board, and it gets mentioned here, they waste no time in trying to get it silenced or removed because it shows them for what they really are, hypocrites. It's ok for them to do or say something that might offend Meat elsewhere, but may the wrath of god descend on anyone who upsets Meat here.

I'm sick of people pussy footing around Meat just because it might hurt his feelings, you know what they say "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the Kitchen" CarylB you say that meat came to this board as an equal, (in other words leaves his artist persona behind) therefore he should be able to accept the views of ALL it's members. Surly he knew before coming to this board that there would be members and posts that would criticise him, his music, and his performances. If he can't take criticism, then he shouldn't have joined. Why should we pussy foot around him, I can guarantee you it wouldn't be done for any other member. If he wants to be treated like the rest of us, then he's got to be able to hack the criticism he gets.

There are certain members on this board who seem to have their head stuck up their arse and need to cop on and stop taking what ever drugs their on and come back to reality. You'd swear that the world was going to end if a negative word was said against Meat. There must be something seriously wrong with Meat if he let's the opinions of the few get to him. A few negative posts and he's gone off sulking. He's even threatened to cancel the Meet & Greets. The guy needs to grow up and stop acting like a spoilt child. I'd hate to see what would happen a lot of people started criticising him. These are just a few of the thousands of fans he has and he let's them get to him.

Who the F UCK does Meat think he is coming on here and abusing people the way he's done over the last few days. If he done that in the media, he'd be sued for it. I don't care who he is, nobody deserves to be treated the way he has treated those people and if that was you or me, we'd be booted off the board for it, but because IT'S MEAT, he's allowed get away with it. I think he should be made come back on here and apologise publicly to those people and maybe throw in a signed CD and invite them to a personal Meet & Greet.

Just so you all know, I will not be apologising for any statement above.

That's all my ranting and raving for now.

Let the bitching begin and may the best man win!!!!

[MEAT LOAF TRIBUTE]

Couldnt have said it better myself! Well said it needed saying! meats thrown his toys out of his pram, and he aint playing anymore .

[Bart]

he, he. you guys have nothing better t do :lol: . i bet you are both very lonely people and your only friend is the computer, he, he, he, lol :mrgreen:

[CarylB]

i hate to see meat go but it is liek what he did in america at his suppose to be meet and greets, he turned his back on his fans. just because of certain people causing the problems he took it out on everyone . that is real professional in my book. so now u have to pay for a site, isn't he making enough money , why should people have to pay . i am sorry i am just upset that this happened. i feel that meat needs to be more professional at what he does instead of using his acting to show how he really feels
I see it rather differently:
There were never any M&Gs arranged in the US leg because of the pressure Meat was under in this leg of the tour. They were not promised, so to call them "supposed" is not really accurate.
He chose to come here, and because he was getting wound up at criticisms decided to leave. He had no obligation to be here, so is not "taking it out" on anybody, just exercising his freedom of choice
A pay for site may be like an on-line fan club, and those who just want to have a pop at him are less likely to opt to pay for the privilege. Whatever, it is unlikely to be about making money. Meat has said time and again that this is not his motivation for doing things, and I believe him.

Like Guppie, I don't see this as Meat turning his back on his fans .. just deciding he no longer wants to visit somewhere where he will get upset. Meat has always said that the person who takes Meat Loaf on stage is shy, and today he's admitted he, like many performers, feels insecure. I think that's been plain, and that's why so many of us have sought to support him rather than offer him criticisms of his performances. I agree with Jayd2 that to continue to put him down is unnecessary, but that it continues speaks volumes about his reasons for leaving.

[ladyloaf69]

my question is that meat always said he wasn't in it for money, right, then why is he having a website that u have to pay to write to him

[Manheim]

It's amazing isn't it, the only way Meat can stop the critics is to force them to pay to criticise him, how childish is that, the mass have to suffer to stop the minority.

If Meats not in it for the money, then he should give what ever money he makes from the new site to charity. May I suggest the "Catholic Charities Counseling Services" (http://www.ccomaha.org/counselingservices.htm) who deal with Anger Management

[Dave]

You will still be able to post messages to Meat Loaf....it's just that you'll have to pay for the privilage.

Kind of makes you wonder when Meat slipped on the Interocitor or something.

*wink*

ROCK ON ROCK STAR!!!

[little_dancer]

Heres my two cents..

I am sad to see Meat Loaf go, but not at all surprised. There are an awfull lot of people on this site at the moment who are touting "why can't Meat Loaf take criticism"- well, I've been pretty mute on this topic, but now I'm gonna have my say as well.

Most of the criticism I have read of Meat on this site, and several others, is not worded as 'criticism' but rather as an attack. When you attack somebody, it forces them to defend themselves. Now, I'm not going to start pointing fingers (because that's rediculous it's nobody's FAULT) but I encourage those, who think Meat Loaf can't take criticism, to re-read the critical posts on this site and ask themselves the following question:

"If somebody said this to me, how would I react"

Now- before I get a flood of responses saying how 'YOU' would not mind being talked to in that way at all, and how 'YOU' can accept criticism with their head high etc.- let me make it clear- I don't want an answer- I want you to look at the criticisms and think about it, and instead of defending your 'point of view' try to do some soul searching and answer the question honestly, for yourself.

No, I don't think Meat Loaf will come back here- and that saddens me, and I don't think I will be able to *pay* for his site, as I am quite poor.

I still hope he will come to Canada so I can see my favorite artist in concert -one last time- before he hangs up his mircrophone.

I've being on a few message boards and I have never before seen the kind of crap that goes on here on those. This board has become nothing but a bitching board and it's a small group of people that have it this way, with their over protection of Meat. It's these people who have the board the way it is and it's these people that have forced Meat and others way from it. They keep hounding the people who have negative things to say about Meat and then get their mates to log on and join their bandwagon and make the negative poster feel like s hit. It's amazing, once a negative post goes up, and one of this small group sees it, the number of their cronies that sign in and post goes through the roof. Also if members of this elite group do anything that might offend Meat outside of this board, and it gets mentioned here, they waste no time in trying to get it silenced or removed because it shows them for what they really are, hypocrites. It's ok for them to do or say something that might offend Meat elsewhere, but may the wrath of god descend on anyone who upsets Meat here.

Thanks for your opinion, Manheim- and No I doubt THAT would get you kicked off this board, but I hope you don't mind me responding to it? I don't think the issue is so much one of people hounding those who have 'negative' things to say, but rather how the negative thought is worded...For instance- if you use the search function under Tyre Tracks and broken hearts, you'll find that I posted a VERY negative review of 'Where the Rubber Meets the Road" and that I wasn't attacked. Why? Because I don't have any trouble criticising something without tearing it limb from limb. :D

Having said that- I've recently retired from the Jim Steinman board for the opposite reason- every single time I posted anything POSITIVE about Meat Loaf, I was attacked (I don't care if people from the Jim Steinman fight are offended, it's true and I'M sick of pussyfooting around THAT- the JS site is what it is- and that's just my bloody opinion)

So you are incorrect, Manheim, when you say THIS site is the only one who have a majoral point of view.

I'm sorry to see Meat Loaf go on his way, as it'll probably be MY last contact with him (theres no concert dates in Canada and I'm quite poor) but it's his decision, and if HE IS as hurt as he seems- I'd do the same thing- Why go someplace that makes you feel crappy, eh?

[RSG]

Well Meat, you are a GREAT man, and you have made a difference in many people's lives. There is no other feeling like that. You will ALWAYS be my Rock N Roll Hero. You never seen me at your shows, because I am stranded here until 4 more years. You were once in my hometown, but I was too young to know that. I PM'd you twice, but no replys, and that's great you know why. Because, I hear from you in your music. In the words you said at this forum. You taught me how to rock, if it wasn't for you, i'd be a very misserable person. Your music has helped me through the thick and thin. Mostly thick, and for that I thank you. I will definetly be on your new site, I don't care whatever the cost. Thank you Meat, Thank you. I can't convince you to stay, and that's okay. Just Never, Never Stop Rockin' . May you stay Forever Young, and live your life like a Bat Out Of Hell, AND may your Rock N Roll Dreams Come Through! Love ya,

Anthony Eatman

[ladyloaf69]

in the words of a great country western singer

everyone i know, goes away in the end.

[Kev]

I dont usually reply to any of meats posts cos quite frankly the replies are depressing and its everyone kissing his arse and saying the same things. So i usually just read what he has to say and leave it, but thought i'd reply to this one.

Takes it easy big man.

[Gina]

Well..I'm still in a bit of shock. Put a damper on my Birthday! I just wish he and all the band members and families all the best. I hope he reconsiders and comes back and finishes the tour as first planned. I feel lucky to have seen the shows I've seen and had hoped to see more here in the US. I'll try and travel to Europe if I can..but that's not likely. Anway.. my best to all. Thank You. Those in Europe and UK..enjoy the shows and travel safe!! :)

Love,
~Gina

[Gez]

Senior loafer, I can sense a little bit of jealousy about you....maybe u want everyone kissing your ass :oops: 8O

[R.]

(1)
Nobody except Meat knows for what you have to pay on his new website.
Could be this, could be that. I don't know and I'm pretty sure you don't know too.
So stop posting this bullshit about Meat's site until you have your facts straight.

(2)
Why do you folks always need to find someone who's guilty for something?
If I'd decide to shut down this website and the forums, would you go out and look for someone who's guilty for that?
Meat decided some time ago to show up as a regular here, and now he decided to go on and take care of his own website.
Where's the problem with that? Who is to blame for that? Nobody.

In other words: Stop trying to blame other people. That won't help.
He made a decision, accept it and get over it. If I can accept this, why can't you?

So, pretty please, if you don't have something constructive to say regarding this topic then just shut up. It's quite easy.

[heat]

What is there to say? Meat has made his decision, and while we may not like or agree with it, i guess we hafta just accept it. As for who is to 'blame', well, nobody is. Meat is a grown man, who knows his own mind and is more than capable of making his own decisions. If he has decided that the time has come for him to leave these forums, then that is completely up to him.

Yes he may well have felt slighted by some posts that were made, but they were only opinions, and everyone is entitled to thier opinion and should be able to express them freely, without fear of comeback. Guess it's up to the individual, in this case Meat, to interpret them as they will.

Yes, i'll miss his contributions, but at the end of the day, we were very fortunate indeed to have him post here in the first place. Perhaps one day Meat might decide to pop back in to see us, who knows?

[PanicLord]

I'm am of course gutted that you won't be posting here anymore, but I don't believe in personal attacks, so I'm not going to rant and rave about it.

Fact: I will follow you wherever you go, and ALWAYS wish you luck. You are without doubt the BEST singer there has ever been or probably will be, and you put on the BEST live shows . You were also great in Fight Club :lol:

Many thanks for the privilege of your presence over the last few months that I have been a member.

Above all,


NEVER STOP ROCKING!

Luv ya 2

Simon.

[Asha]

Well after reading all of this, I'm sad, about a great many things.

If meat wants to leave and dedicate more time to his new website, fine, his choice, and i think we should respect him for it.

But i think a few people, including meat, went to far by there comments.
I believe in saying what you feel and what you believe. No need to be insulting though.

I wish meat al the best off luck, and I hope to see and hear a great show on Friday.
Rock on,

A sad Asha

[original sin]

I have been trying to post here all day and haven't been able to bring my self to do it.
I hope this isn't a rant. It's my feelings and at the moment, and I'm feeling rather sad.

When I visit mlukfc, I click on a heading called " Community" and to me that sums up how I have felt about my visits here.

In real life, I don't agree with everything my family say and do, but I do support them and back them to the hilt.
I don't invite people into my home and then point out their faults.

IMO, Opinions should be qualified, Critisism should be cronstructive, and Yes we all have the right to free speech, and following the modern trend we all have "human rights" but what we should never lose sight of is the fact that we all have these rights in equal measure.

If we go through life thinking that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, and seeking the unatainable,we will always be disappointed.
My take is make the best of what you have and enjoy the moment.

Lifes too short my friends far too short...........just read the papers there is tragedy and injust out there in abundance.

[Mike Piercy]

Now look, it really is about time that all this was put to bed. This is the MLUKFC website, as far as I understand it it's what it says - a fan site, that's why our members are so supportive of Meat, don't put us down for that.

What seems to be happening is that a lot of people who don't pay anything to the fan club are getting on the forums and benefitting from freedom of speech , fair enough so long as it's respectful ......but - why don't you pay the fee and join the fan club? Put your money where your mouths are and pay something towards the upkeep of this site and our information which you benefit from. If you're not a member you're living off us the membership and having a go at us for being fans!

I had hoped that this would be all over by now but can I reiterate what I said before, the person who appeared to spark Meat's anger is a real fan, he was expressing an opinion and he's entitled to a view (in fact he wasn't saying it was a poor concert) , many contributors we're not there (I wasn't and can't comment on that concert) many were there and thought it was excellent in all aspects. I thought we all would believe in freedom of speech, now for God's sake let this thing drop now!

[PanicLord]

Can I just say that apart from apparently not practising what you are preaching...

"I thought we all would believe in freedom of speech, now for God's sake let this thing drop now!"

...that I agree wholeheartedly with what you say about not all fans having to praise every single thing that Meat does. If he wants to leave then that's fine - we are lucky, possibly unique, to have had such an honest and open forum with such an incredible star.

He's not going into hiding - he will now have his own site!

I've been considering joining the club for some time but cannot afford it right now (new house, new album, new single etc etc :lol: ). I hope to join one of the many sites soon...

TRex

[Rob The Badger]

Just because we don't want to pay makes sod all difference. Ever think we may not have to money to spend on membership?
I've been here for over a year now, I'm not a paying member, so what? I think I make a healthy contribution to these forums and this site in general, if I can't pay, that takes nothing away from my respect of the man or this site.
N00b.

[original sin]

And I just feel that I need to add, that whilst I'm sure Mike's post was a general observation and just coincidental that it appeared below my post. I am a member of both MLUKFC and OIFC and have been a fan of Meat music since the late '70's.

and yes I am feeling rather touchy at the moment. If you want private webspace then password protect it ensuring that only those who have paid their dues can get in.

[Bigmomma]

well apart from the fact that meatloaf has gone in anger and not
happily, i thought it was allready more or less taken for granted
that he would be leaving us soon anyway, to open his own site?
i mean he hasnt got that much spare time that he can be writting on
every forum going can he?
so it is sad yes but well, rather something that was going to happen
sooner or later anyway, but hey we all have a keyboard dont we so surely we can go and leave messages there for him cant we.
i mean it isnt like he has gone to the moon is it?
and i dont think i want to get in the blame game, just see you around meat.
kezzina

[mariella]

Right, Bigmomma. Don't think anyone is 'to blame' either!

xxx

Mariella

[original sin]

delete

[Gez]

More importantly SIN is giving her age away here.
Fan sive 70's 8O

[Cathie]

This has been such a sad day, can hardly believe what has happened and that Meat has left. I feel lucky that we had this amazing oppertunity and experience but upset that its finished. but i do think that this is a community, i have some great friends on this site.
But i seriously resent the implication that i am less of a member than some because i haven't joined the fan club. i love meat, i dont think i should have to pay for simply liking him. i am happy to spend my money on films, concerts and albums, but i can't always afford, or am allowed to do everything.
i feel increadibly privilidged and lucky to have been taken in with open arms on this site. i am constently in awe of this great man who we all love. i dont think that nit picking or slagging off helps anyone.
just my thoughts.

[Jayd]

No wonder Meat left this website when he is subjected to abuse, not criticism, abuse by some. We are supposed to be his fans, not critics, I suppose he gets enough from the media, he does not need it from his FANS, if that's what you call yourselves, the select few. I suppose those who did criticise Meat were fast enough to put themselves forward for a meet and greet, and happily accept it. Of course real fans will defend Meat, we are is fans not critics. Anyway that's enough for me and I won't be reading this topic again, cause I am bored of all this negative crap.

[original sin]

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[Sabine]

Dear Meat,

all your shows here in Germany was so great. I love you and hope we see us this evening in Berlin and tomorrow in Oberhausen. Get well and never stop rockin.

Sabine

[Guppie]

What seems to be happening is that a lot of people who don't pay anything to the fan club are getting on the forums and benefitting from freedom of speech , fair enough so long as it's respectful ......but - why don't you pay the fee and join the fan club? Put your money where your mouths are and pay something towards the upkeep of this site and our information which you benefit from. If you're not a member you're living off us the membership and having a go at us for being fans!

So... in your opinion, I'm not allowed to post here because I'm not member of the mlukfc fanclub??
Last time I looked, there were no rules like you had to pay to post here.

[Skeleton]

Never ever stop rocking Meat and remember we still love you. No matter what you gonna do.

[CarylB]

In answer to:
...... why don't you pay the fee and join the fan club? Put your money where your mouths are and pay something towards the upkeep of this site and our information which you benefit from. If you're not a member you're living off us the membership and having a go at us for being fans!
Guppie wrote:
So... in your opinion, I'm not allowed to post here because I'm not member of the mlukfc fanclub??
Last time I looked, there were no rules like you had to pay to post here.


Indeed Guppie .. and much of the information posted here comes from forum members like yourself who may not belong to the fan club yet who share information freely with everyone

[Sue K]

... sigh...

[Mike Piercy]

Apologies if Original Sin thought I was responding directly to her (I wasn't). What I'm saying generally (not responding to anyone in particular) is some non-members have come on this site, criticised fans for supporting and defending Meat Loaf and used our forum to do it. Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

Like many of you I believe in free speech but some of the people posting here seem to have a hidden agenda. The big problem with web posting is many people hide behind a pseudonym - I don't nor did Michael.

Personally I would like to see a hidden "fans only access area" without removing the general forum. I think Meat may have the idea that everyone who posts here is a fan club member - they are not.

It still doesn't take away the concern I have over miscommunication - the original cause of all this. A genuine Meat Loaf fan made an observation, he's written positive reviews and he's entitled to a view on a particular show. He's also a fan club member folks!

As regards Fan Club fees these would be kept lower if more joined (economies of scale you know).

Now come on I've stirred it up what do you say to that? (Let me guess)

[Guppie]

Apologies if Original Sin thought I was responding directly to her (I wasn't). What I'm saying generally (not responding to anyone in particular) is some non-members have come on this site, criticised fans for supporting and defending Meat Loaf and used our forum to do it. Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.
ok. Then you weren't adressing me.

It still doesn't take away the concern I have over miscommunication - the original cause of all this. A genuine Meat Loaf fan made an observation, he's written positive reviews and he's entitled to a view on a particular show. He's also a fan club member folks!
I agree it's not fair to blame everything on Michael. there's no reason to blame anyone.

[Shane]

Thank you very much Meat for gracing us with your presence throughout the good times and bad. Don't worry about the spelling - we're only human.

THANK YOU very much for trying to come to NZ. When things are looking down for you in terms of the album in NZ, it really makes me happy to hear that you're still planning to come.

I am looking forward to your new website. Would you be able to give us any idea of when it might be up and running? I check every day to see if it is, so I'll probably find out anyway.

[little_dancer]

Hey- just so it's clear, guys, I wasn't thinking of anybody in particular when I was talking about 'ways of voicing criticism' I don't blame anybody on this site- if I did, I would say so- but I don't, this is just one of those things....no reason...he's a busy man and he's made a decision, that's cool with me.

Again- it was a general criticism aimed at nobody in particular (I've received some Pm's so I just want to be clear) :D

[Kathy]

Oh Meat, I wish I could have heard you in Trier, wish you didn't let a few people bug you, wish you would still come to Columbus, wish I could hear you, the artist, explain the real "picture" of CHSIB.

Love you no matter what,
-Kathy

[ChoccyBat]

Love the albums, love the man, love the concerts. But at the end of the day he made a promise to us while asking for help, and as far as I can see he hasn't kept it.

No-one is free from criticism. I am a 110% fan but this seems to have come at a convenient time bearing in mind that his new site has just opened.

[Kev]

Love the albums, love the man, love the concerts. But at the end of the day he made a promise to us while asking for help, and as far as I can see he hasn't kept it.

No-one is free from criticism. I am a 110% fan but this seems to have come at a convenient time bearing in mind that his new site has just opened.

Are you talking about the 'buy as many singles as you can' one? I did that too...

[mariella]

Love the albums, love the man, love the concerts. But at the end of the day he made a promise to us while asking for help, and as far as I can see he hasn't kept it.

No-one is free from criticism. I am a 110% fan but this seems to have come at a convenient time bearing in mind that his new site has just opened.

Are you talking about the 'buy as many singles as you can' one? I did that too...
I think I remember you both from April...Are you on any M&G-list? If I remember correctly, I feel you Should be!

xxx

Mariella

[Vickip]

No wonder Meat left this website when he is subjected to abuse, not criticism, abuse by some. We are supposed to be his fans, not critics, I suppose he gets enough from the media, he does not need it from his FANS, if that's what you call yourselves, the select few. I suppose those who did criticise Meat were fast enough to put themselves forward for a meet and greet, and happily accept it. Of course real fans will defend Meat, we are is fans not critics. Anyway that's enough for me and I won't be reading this topic again, cause I am bored of all this negative crap.

I absolutely agree Jayd2 !!
Vicki

[original sin]

Apologies if Original Sin thought I was responding directly to her (I wasn't). What I'm saying generally (not responding to anyone in particular) is some non-members have come on this site, criticised fans for supporting and defending Meat Loaf and used our forum to do it. Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.
Like many of you I believe in free speech but some of the people posting here seem to have a hidden agenda. The big problem with web posting is many people hide behind a pseudonym - I don't nor did Michael.
Personally I would like to see a hidden "fans only access area" without removing the general forum. I think Meat may have the idea that everyone who posts here is a fan club member - they are not.
It still doesn't take away the concern I have over miscommunication - the original cause of all this. A genuine Meat Loaf fan made an observation, he's written positive reviews and he's entitled to a view on a particular show. He's also a fan club member folks!
As regards Fan Club fees these would be kept lower if more joined (economies of scale you know).
Now come on I've stirred it up what do you say to that? (Let me guess)

Mike
Thank you for qualifying your statement, however I did not think you were necessarily responding directly which is why I had wriiten:-

whilst I'm sure Mike's post was a general observation and just coincidental that it appeared below my post.

I'm not sure about your comments about hiding behind a pseudonym, I chose my nickname here because it means something to me and I chose not to share my real name on an open forum, and would whole heartedly encourage others to do likewise, you only have to read the papers to see why. Those I know or get to know and trust I share my personal information with, and of course this is also supplied with fan club membership. As I have been personally abused through this board and have been called various things for my upport and fanship of the the man this site is dedicated to, I'm personally glad I chose to keep my pseudonym!

To summarise I can make no further comment than I have already done.
IMO, Opinions should be qualified, Critisism should be cronstructive, and Yes we all have the right to free speech, and following the modern trend we all have "human rights" but what we should never lose sight of is the fact that we all have these rights in equal measure.
If we go through life thinking that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, and seeking the unatainable,we will always be disappointed.
My take is make the best of what you have and enjoy the moment.
Lifes too short my friends far too short...........just read the papers there is tragedy and injust out there in abundance.

[Kev]

Love the albums, love the man, love the concerts. But at the end of the day he made a promise to us while asking for help, and as far as I can see he hasn't kept it.

No-one is free from criticism. I am a 110% fan but this seems to have come at a convenient time bearing in mind that his new site has just opened.

Are you talking about the 'buy as many singles as you can' one? I did that too...
I think I remember you both from April...Are you on any M&G-list? If I remember correctly, I feel you Should be!

xxx

Mariella

Nope, theres no meet and greets on the day that i'm there :(

[ladyloaf69]

okay i have read alot of posts and i understand how alot of people feel. now its my turn. i saw meat in concert . i was suppose to see him backstage but it never happened. twenty years i have waited and he never comes out. okay i can understand that . his show for columbus in cancelled . okay getting alittle bit upset . he then comes on these boards and goes off because of some people criticizing him. i can understand him being upset. but life is always going to be like that . no matter what u do there is always going to be someone there to judge you. you look back at what meat has done through life betwen music and movies. we can sit there and pick out bad and good points. no matter what. he then says that he is not comming back to the u.s to redue his concerts that have been cancelled rescheduled . now am i upset , yes. meat wrote a letter to me and i still have it saying that when there is a concert in ohio there will be a meet and greet and i will meet him. now it probably won't happen. i am a die hard fan, but how can i not help myself from getting upset. i know his health has been bad , so why not take some time and rest . your fans will understand. instead he leaves this website , saying we will have to pay to write to him. didn't he say before he wasn't in it for the money. i am totally confused. meat i love you dearly but i think you to rethink about things. instead of running away from the criticism stand up to it and voice out some more. a website like this is like a family we stick together . i hope u come back not only to this , but to the u.s as well. this is just my opinion.

[Craig]

Hey Meat,

Sorry to read that you will not visit this site any longer. My advice if you do read this is not to give equal value to all opinions you come across from every clown who happens to own a ML CD or who sees a show.

For example I am horrified when I see a small number of people at shows who go to the bar during the concert - I would not want to miss a second and never do. So to me my opinion is worth more than theirs.

And then you have the people who live in internet land and like to cause trouble, because they think it is funny. They spoil it for the majority. All we can do is to try and sideline these sad characters. Ignoring them is probably the only effective action.

Take it easy, Meat.
See you Thursday!!

[Tim]

What??? A Pay-Site???? My god.... how low can you go.

If you can't critism, that is allright, i can't have it also. But that ain't no reason for me to quite with things i do.
We all have our good and bad days, you are also a human.

So, don't see really the point that you are leaving the site. It is a pitty, but if that is how you feel, then that is okay with me.

But a pay-site.... :?

Hope you will be coming to Holland soon ML.
Keep up the good concerts and making great records.

The Butcher, Tim

[CarylB]

What??? A Pay-Site???? My god.... how low can you go.

If it is a subscription site Tim it makes a lot of sense to me. A subscription fan club site means at least that abusive people who are kicked off cannot sneak back under a different name and email address.

A password protected site means that your home on the internet at least has a front door to keep vandals out! And it give you some control over how your site is used .. many websites displaying photographs use this. A number of fan clubs offer a members area in this way .. why not apply that to the whole site?

Let's not judge before we see what it means. I've never objected to paying fan club membership fees. If this is a way of ensuring that those people who can interact on the site do so because they are fans and respect the owner and the owner's feelings, I'm all for it.

And to anyone about to suggest that this makes me a sycophantic, obsessed arse kisser .. let me pre-empt you by saying I don't give a Rhet Butler :lmao:

[Debbi V]

Thanks for explaining the pay-site concept, CarylB !! I've been trying to come up with a simple way to explain it and you did it for me.

Too many have expressed frustration, dissapproval, and anger even over the idea, but as you have said, let's wait and see. I for one, have held off "joining" any particular site since I enjoy interacting with all of you on the OIFC and here. I'm sure that once you (and I mean that in the general sense) pay for additional access to a site, it becomes more likely that one would "lurk" there rather than another site.

I personally feel that Meat's comment regarding "paying to talk to him" was not to be taken literally, but was more of a reaction to those who have angered him. Yes. the site may require a membership fee, but that only means that it will be less likely that the occasional "trouble-maker" will appear to stir things up.

Just my two cents.

Debbi V

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[CarylB]

You're welcome Debbi :) Nice to see you here, and I agree with your two cents worth :))

[ChoccyBat]

Hi Mariella, yes you probably do remember me. No, I am going to Newcastle and Manchester but on both dates there is no m&g available. To be honest I feel like a bit of a sucker. Wonder if we'll get begging letters for Man of Steel.

Of course, I will be buying both the single and DVD that come out on the same day.

[Shellyb01]

Hi!! Just want to add my moan.

At the end of the day people are always going to critise no matter who you are, what you do, or where you come from, and it's not easy to take critisim, I am the worst person in the world to take critisim, I get upset when I think I'm not making people happy, but at the end of the day it's the people who pay to see Meat's concerts, be in the fan club, buy the records and DVD's and the people who LOVE Meat Loaf that matter, not those that try to 'tear you down' ....

There are always jealous people there who don't understand what a fantastic entertainer Meat Loaf is, he not only sings, but he acts, he performs, he entertains .... he puts 100% in and the fans give 100% back.

It's a shame that Meat feels he has to leave this forum because of what he thinks people are saying .... it's a shame that he can't stay and listen to those who absolutely love and worship him, because at the end of the day it is the majority on the site that do just that.

I can't afford to go on to a pay-site to talk to Meat, I haven't got the money, I've spent my money on buying albums, joining the fan club, buying t-shirts, concert tickets ....... I would love to join Meat on his new site when that's up and running, no doubt it would probably be fantastic, but maybe I'm not enough of a fan to go there .....

I love Meat, I've been a fan for most of my life, I will always listen to his music, I will always cry at his concerts because he's filled me full of happiness, I will always go on and on about him to my friends in work, I will always be there to defend him ...... and that's all I want to say.

Sorry if I've gone on, I've probably not made a lot of sense, but hey, nothing in life ever does!!

I'll see you on the 13th November in Manchester!!


Loads of Love'n'stuff

Shellyxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx :cry:

[original sin]

I can't afford to go on to a pay-site to talk to Meat, I haven't got the money, I've spent my money on buying albums, joining the fan club, buying t-shirts, concert tickets ....... I would love to join Meat on his new site when that's up and running, no doubt it would probably be fantastic, but maybe I'm not enough of a fan to go there .....

I have to admit the "pay site" comment made me sit back and draw a deep breath. I think it was unfortunate to have come out the way it did admist so much hurt and frustration.
Intially I was going to react to this with much disappointment, however in the cold light of day I am assuming that this new site will actually be a fan club, and membership will give access to it. On that basis i do not have a issue with it.

ChoocyBat wrote:
Hi Mariella, yes you probably do remember me. No, I am going to Newcastle and Manchester but on both dates there is no m&g available. To be honest I feel like a bit of a sucker. Wonder if we'll get begging letters for Man of Steel.
Of course, I will be buying both the single and DVD that come out on the same day.
ChoccyBat
I whole heartedly agree with you! Fortunately thanks to someone who has become a very dear friend through these forums(bless you Caryl) I am at a concert with a M&G, however if she had not been so kind and generous and a true friend I would have missed this opportunity.
However my two children, (18 & 13) dragged round the shops looking for supplies, phoned radio stations making requests and drove their circle of friends absolutely crazy. And they will not have the opportunity to met this Man who's music they've heard since "in utro"
Now don' t get me wrong - we'd have all done what we did if the request had come without the promise and be happy to have done so and we'd do it again in the blink of an eye. But i can fully understand your sentiments and my heart goes out to you and the others who are affected.

[Tim]

Oooh, how good is Mr meat loaf for his fans. A Pay-site... my god, is that what it takes to talk to you??? Well, then i rather not talk to such an egoistic asshole.

If you start that site i will sell all my cd''s from you and make an anit-meat loaf site!!!

And that is for sure!!!


The Butcher.

[R.]

Nobody except Meat knows for what you have to pay on his new website.
Could be this, could be that. I don't know and I'm pretty sure you don't know too.
So stop posting this b*llsh*t about Meat's site until you have your facts straight.
Sometimes, I'm really asking myself if I speak chinese.
This is the final reminder. One more useless rant and this thread gets buried.

[CarylB]

Good Lord Tim .. hold your water ....

We don't know what form this will take yet, not Meat's reasons for doing it that way. There are many subscription sites on the internet, and it's one way of protecting the site, it's owners and visitors. Meat said it wouldn't be much .. it could be a miminal sum. But it is one way of protecting the front door. And to want to do that is not arrogant .. merely prudent imo.

R has said wait until we know exactly what this entails before we get carried away .. so why don't we?

[Tim]

I'm sorry R. Got carried away.

Hereby my appologizes for what i've said.

[Shellyb01]

[quote="Tim"]Oooh, how good is Mr meat loaf for his fans. A Pay-site... my god, is that what it takes to talk to you??? Well, then i rather not talk to such an egoistic asshole.

If you start that site i will sell all my cd''s from you and make an anit-meat loaf site!!!

Hmmmm, me thinks someone has taken the huff a little bit, at the end of the day there is nothing you or anyone else can do - Meat is a human being after all and he is just as entitled to have an opinion about stuff as everyone else is ... how shallow does that make you to almost stop being a fan just because Meat doesn't feel he can join us on the forums anymore?!?? I for one shall now and always be a fan of Meat Loaf whether he writes on here or not, OK, so I may not be able to afford to go on the pay-site, but I'll still listen to his music, I'll still see him in concert and I'll still love him for being an individual and a great one at that. End of conversation ......

[Shellyb01]

Sorry - went a bit moody then! :D

My computer only just updated the other messages before mine showed up so now it looks like I've just totally ignored what 'R' said, and I've not, I'm sorry .... just wanted to have my say. Sorry.

[Tim]

Again, sorry, sorry sorry.

Got carried away. I mean... i think it so stupid. Why can't we have an opinion. Why can't he have an opion?? Is this all there is left over from this forum?? Discuss each others opions.... That ain't much fun at all.

But okay... again, sorry for what i've said.

Was just very pissed off, to some people here and to Meat Loaf.

My apology.

The Butcher.

[R.]

No problem, Tim.
I just think it's not ok to criticise something which isn't even there.

[Kitty Kat]

I am just so sorry that you feel unable to visit this site again. :( :( :(
I hope that when you have had time to think you will reconsider this decision. I know that constant criticism hurts and eventually wears you down, but I think that you are bigger than this and, once you start to feel better in yourself, I am sure that you will come home.

[mariella]

Hi Mariella, yes you probably do remember me. No, I am going to Newcastle and Manchester but on both dates there is no m&g available. To be honest I feel like a bit of a sucker. Wonder if we'll get begging letters for Man of Steel.

Of course, I will be buying both the single and DVD that come out on the same day.
I know you, like myself and many many others, didn't help to get a M&G...but it would have been nice if you got one.

But well, life goes on, the single is about to be released, ofcourse you are still buying it! :up: (like myself, ofcourse).

Hope/know you will have a wonderful evening at both shows...as I will at Wembley.

xxx

Mariella

[madonna123968848]

Thnk Meat could never have been Fireball.... sad but true........

[CarylB]

Meat IS Fireball ..

[mariella]

Thnk Meat could never have been Fireball.... sad but true........
I believe we have been over this before...
So which is it, you still can't believe it is Meat...or are you dissapointed...circumstances do have a habit of changing, you know.
I know which promises were made, but am also aware you are sometimes forced to change ANY plan in life...

xxx

Mariella

[madonna123968848]

Well, am just shocked at "Fireballs" response ... is he having a laugh???

[mariella]

I am sorry, I don't get what you mean...didn't think for one minute he was having a laugh...but maybe it's a good idea to read all posts again. This forum can get crowded, sometimes if you stay away for a few days you 'don't get it' any more.
Too many posts, can get confusing!

xxx

Mariella