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I know this is not dead on Meat Loaf, but this could possibly have an impact on the rest of the Meat Loaf Couldn't Have Said It Better LAST World Tour and any future promotion that Meat Loaf may do in regard to the album.
Kasim Sulton announced on his official website ( http://www.kasimsulton.com ) that he will once again be joining Todd Rundgren on the road as part of Todd's band for at least part of Todd's LIARS tour. Here are some unconfirmed tour dates:
04/08/04 Potawatomi Casino
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
04/22/04 Turning Stone Casino
Verona, New York
04/23/04 Count Basie Theatre
Red Bank, New Jersey
04/30/04 American Music Theater
Lancaster, Pennsylvania
05/01/04 Paramount Center For The Arts
Peekskill, New York
05/02/04 Mohegan Sun Casino
Uncasville, Connecticut
ROCK ON KASIM SULTON!!!
I know this is not dead on Meat Loaf, but this could possibly have an impact on the rest of the Meat Loaf Couldn't Have Said It Better LAST World Tour and any future promotion that Meat Loaf may do in regard to the album.
I think this is called putting the cart before the horse!
Because Meat Loaf will not be requiring the band at that time, Kasim will be playing with Todd Rundgren during April and May (not Meat Loaf will not be doing any concerts because of Kasim playing with Todd as this reads to me).
Meat Loaf is and always remains Kasim's main source of employment and he fits in his own solo gigs and tours with other artists around his Meat Loaf commitments.
ROCK ON KASIM SULTON!!!
I'll certainly agree with that comment!
SueW
I know this is not dead on Meat Loaf, but this could possibly have an impact on the rest of the Meat Loaf Couldn't Have Said It Better LAST World Tour and any future promotion that Meat Loaf may do in regard to the album.
I think this is called putting the cart before the horse!
SueW
No Sue, this is not true. Just as late as last week when I last made contact with them, the venue in Columbus was under the impression that Meat Loaf was to appear there in April to make up the date someone willingly chose to cancel for a private gig. April would fit into the time frame mentioned by them. I know you are trying to be protective of Kasim's position with Meat, but I know what the venue told me during our last phone call.
ROCK ON KASIM SULTON!!!
Winston
10 Dec 2003, 15:49
look we all know if Meat says to Kasim he wants him in April or May for dates that clash with Todd, Meat will win hands down. Simple as that. I'm sure Kasim would have squared it with Meat before he went and signed himself for something as big as a tour with Todd yeah :??: He's already cancelled a solo date in January for re-scheduled tour dates with Meat, so if by any chance a freaky buscuit situation occurs and Meat has something on in April or May Kasim will be there with him.
Exactly Winston. I think that SueW is being somewhat overprotective of Kasim's reputation with Meat Loaf. If you will re-read the post I made, in particular the following words...
... this could possibly have an impact on the rest of the Meat Loaf Couldn't Have Said It Better LAST World Tour and any future promotion that Meat Loaf may do in regard to the album ...
I belive this statement to be entirely correct. It could very well be that Kasim doing this gig with Todd could give Meat a chance to rest for a little bit, and maybe record something or make a movie, then come back rested and reinvigorated for leg two of the tour. Who knows for sure what Meat's plans are, other than Meat Loaf himself.
All I know is that I did contact PromoWest just last week and they said they had Meat Loaf booked for a make up show in late April, which obviously Meat Loaf has no intention of doing, unless it will be on an "off day" from the Todd tour or they find suitable replacement for Kasim for that show (highly doubtfull this could happen).
With all this being said, it is most certainly safe to say that Kasim playing with Todd "COULD POSSIBLY" have an impact on Meat's plans - for good or for bad. I know there were many who were quick to jump on Meat for planning an event at the same time as a Kasim Sulton solo show. The NBA event turned out to be a very good thing. It got a very good performance out to literally millions of people.
Personally, I think that Kasim going out with Todd could be a very good thing. It is very possible that Todd could have a tour book, and in it there might be band bios, which "could possibly" make mention that Kasim is taking a short break from the MEAT LOAF COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER LAST WORLD TOUR to play with Todd, and is also featured on the new Meat Loaf CD with the same name. I know a lot of fans of Todd also like Kasim, and many of them are not really aware fully of just what Kasim is up to. This could be a way for them to see that and say, "ah, yes? Kasim is playing wiht Meat Loaf now and is on Meat's new CD? Maybe I might want to go to the show and/or buy the CD."
Also, it could be that Meat will end the tour after AU/NZ, and there will be no more Meat Loaf shows on this tour, and that Kasim playing with Todd "could possibly" have no effect at all on the situation at hand.
It is a bunch of "could possibly" that only time will reveal the results of.
I know now and am fully aware that my post could be taken many different ways. I am sorry I did not make myself clear the first time in this matter.
Please understand that I was partially posting as an embittered American fan of Meat Loaf. There is a great percentage of the American fanbase that feels as if Meat Loaf has given us up. I know this because I chat wtih a great deal of people on a regular basis. Meat Loaf really hurt us with his comments during his petty rant on this board about not playing America at this time, when we know full good and well make up dates are promised. How long are we supposed to let Meat Loaf's promotion company keep our money in their bank accounts and profit from the interest before we say something?
Further, he threw salt into our wounds when all of the UK dates were promptly made up, yet he cannot find time in his busy schedual to make up NOT ONE single date in America that he missed.
I hope you can fully understand my frustrations.
Fire Ball, I am aware you will prolly read this, and I am sorry if the words hurt you, but the fans are hurt as well and this fan will not fade silently into the night. I want you to know how much your music and your shows mean to us. I know it has been said that UK fans are Meat's most loyal fans, but there is a whole lot of love for you over on this side of the pond as well. We love you Meat and are concerned we will never again be witness to the greatest living rock and roll entertainer.
ROCK ON LOST BOYS!!!
ladyloaf69
10 Dec 2003, 20:06
so david when is the makeup date for columbus ?
so david when is the makeup date for columbus ?
I cannot say, as I am neither a spokesperson for Meat Loaf nor a middl-man for his record company. All I can say is when I called PromoWest last week, I was told it would be made up in late April, which could very well mean after Kasim finished playing with Todd. Again, who knows!
ROCK ON CONFUSED FANS!!!
P.S. Kim, I have tried to e-mail you a few times now to say a HUGE thank you for the pictures - I keep getting a message that your inbox is full and I generally avoid my PM box due to abuse people like to hurl my way where others cannot see! It really does mean the world to me to have a photo reminder of that special night.
ladyloaf69
10 Dec 2003, 21:05
thansk you ever so much . i was affraid u didn't get the pics. it was a great night and i hope when meat makes up the columbus show i will see u there . have a merry christmas
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hope u can use the pics on your website
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please pm me your email address
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I think that SueW is being somewhat overprotective of Kasim's reputation with Meat Loaf.
Kasim's reputation with Meat Loaf doesn't need protecting in any way.
As has been previously posted in this thread, Kasim has (on more than one occassion) cancelled his own solo gigs when a Meat Loaf concert has come along later. Also, on the 1999 Todd Rundgren tour, Kasim didn't play the first show as he played a show with Meat Loaf instead (I think it was the R'n'R For A Cure Show).
I think you will find that what happened is that Kasim will have checked first with Meat Loaf about whether they will be playing any concerts during the duration of the Todd tour. Only when he had been told that they weren't, would Kasim have told Todd that he was available.
I honestly don't believe that Meat Loaf has decided not to play concerts or do any promo work because Kasim isn't available.....although I would love to believe that Kasim is that indispensable to Meat Loaf, realistically I don't think he is.
Originally there were rumours that the second US leg of the tour would run from April until November but that was before Meat Loaf became ill. The Australia and New Zealand leg of the tour was already booked but, other than this Columbus show, I can't recall any US concerts having definite dates booked. In the article in The Observor on Sunday, Meat Loaf said that he had been working almost non-stop for over a year so possibly that is why he's decided to take a couple of months off ....which then frees up Kasim to play with Todd.
Todd's tours are considerably more low-key nowadays than Meat Loaf tours and they don't have things like tour programmes.
SueW
Todd's tours are considerably more low-key nowadays than Meat Loaf tours and they don't have things like tour programmes.
How much more low key can you get than what Meat did in America this summer/fall? You were right, petty much we got a Just Couldn't Have Had More Fun Myself LAST World Tour.
ROCK ON FIRE BALL!!!
ChoccyBat
11 Dec 2003, 02:18
Perhaps the fact that in his American shows half the audience ~~~~~~ed off after Cyndi Lauper, and only being half full anyway meant he really didn't see the need. Over here he is selling out massive venues, so probably feels an obligation to reschedule.
And then of course you could go back to the 80s, where if it wasn't for the UK Meat Loaf the singer wouldn't have survived. But that would be petty.
Winston
11 Dec 2003, 02:28
and prehaps he toured on an album that wasn't even released in the states at the time contributed to the fact that there were alot of fans at the US gigs that hadn't a clue what he was singing :roll: it's no fun being at a concert when the artist is singing stuff that isn't even released
ChoccyBat
11 Dec 2003, 02:34
Fair point.
Perhaps the fact that in his American shows half the audience [...] off after Cyndi Lauper, and only being half full anyway meant he really didn't see the need.
Well, it would help if you quoted the facts. At the time Cyndi hit the stage, every Cyndi/Meat show was sold out. Further, at every show Cyndi Lauper played with Meat Loaf her fans were allowed to purchase premium tickets up to two months prior to tickets going on sale to the general public. And I might add as well that Cyndi (like a lot of artists) craves to be among her fans. She has approxamately 200 to 300 people at her meet and greets. She wants to get out there and meet everyone who has been there for her. During this tour, the Cyndi meet and greets were held during the first part of Meat's set - after Cyndi left the stage. I am sorry, but I could not imagine going back and watching another band play after meeting my hero. I would say I would most likely be buzzing so much I could barely think straight at that point. I know that most of them simply went home. Also, are you aware that most of Cyndi's fans that did not get meet and greets left as well. They were basically not interested in seeing Meat Loaf at all. If Meat were to have arranged ticketing like Cyndi, maybe the crowds might have been better.
And about him not seeing the need to make up dates because they are only half sold. Let it be known that ChoccyBat is even saying that Meat is in it for the money. If Meat cared about that part of his fan base, he would do the good and the right thing by making up the dates, juat as he did over there - regardless of the ticket sales. The point is, on the outside, Meat Loaf is giving the appearance of giving america the big P I S S O F F !!!!
And then of course you could go back to the 80s, where if it wasn't for the UK Meat Loaf the singer wouldn't have survived. But that would be petty.
Yes, petty and totally unfounded! That is simply a low blow. During that time, just as now, Meat chose to blow off America by not even releasing albums here. His failure in America during the 1980's lies entirely on his actions (or the actions he allowed his management to be engaged in).
Meat is not without fault in his "failure" in the America market. If he would do half of what he does in the UK over here in America, I am sure you would see a world of difference. It would seem to the casual Meat Loaf fan that he has basically given up on Couldn't Have Said It Better (at least in America). That is Meat Loaf's problem if he wants to ditch a perfectly good project.
ROCK ON DO IT!!!
ladyloaf69
11 Dec 2003, 16:53
i agree david. meats cd couldn't of said it better would of done better if there were more promo . he toured in the u.s before the cd was ever out in the stores. some of us lucky ones bought it early and was able to get it. maybe he should of done the europe tour first since the cd was out there then come back to the us for the u.s release date and promote it here . the opportunity was missed. hopefully he will makeup the dates from his missed shows here in the u.s and maybe bring the cd back up into the charts here in the u.s but for whatever the reason he must know what he is doing . as long as he continues to rock his true fans will be there to listen
There's a lot of speculation in this thread.
Announcement status removed.
The Flying Mouse
12 Dec 2003, 01:00
:twisted: Don't quite understand how this turned from a thread about Kasim playing with Todd to a what went wrong with CHSIB thread,but what the hell :mrgreen:
David raised the very valid point of why the band played songs from the new album before the album was released.
I think there are two main reasons that the new songs were played.
1. The band line up had just undergone drastic changes.I think it's reasonable to assume that there was just not enough time to teach the new members a large selection from Meat's back catolouge.The new songs needed to be performed later in the tour (that was the point of the tour :wink: ) so they were put into the set list from the start.
2.Even Meat and the "veterans" needed to try the new material.I've said it before and i'll say it again (i've nothing better to do :lol: ), you can rehearse something for a year and you never know how things will turn out until you get in front of an audience and just do it.
Saying this, there is no reason (that I know of) why the album couldn't have been released earlier, or the tour couldn't have started later.I'm not privvy to the record companies schedules so I can't comment, but I would be interested to know the reason why.
I remeber saying on the forums (long before CHSIB was released here) that I hoped that the album would be released before the tour so I could have the chance to appreciate what I was listening too.
I don't like the way the shows with Cyndi went down at all :evil: .
It was always a weird combination from the start :roll: .I'm not what could be described as a Cyndi fan (I can name, what, three of her songs), and will admit that the prospect of seeing her perform would not give me any sleepless nights of anticipation.But I would still watch her set at a Meat gig.If she can be bothered to turn up I can at least have the decency to see what she's gonna do.Not to mention that you've paid for the ticket :wink: .But I was very suprised to read here that Cyndi had meet & greets of 200+ people during the begining of Meat's set.WTF.Sorry, but dragging over two hundred people out of the audience when someone is going on is either sheer lack of thought, or downright bad manners :evil: .
IT'S JUST NOT DONE.
But again, this is all just speculation.Unless a record company exec comes here and explains it to us we'll never know the answers.
Atbthe end of the day, I would never presume to tell Meat how to do his job.He's been doing it a lot longer, a lot better and a lot more successful than I have :lol: , but it would be interesting to hear the inside story on this.
The Flying Mouse
12 Dec 2003, 01:01
:EDIT:
Sorry for the double post. :oops:
BostonCPA
12 Dec 2003, 01:02
. I want you to know how much your music and your shows mean to us. I know it has been said that UK fans are Meat's most loyal fans, but there is a whole lot of love for you over on this side of the pond as well. We love you Meat and are concerned we will never again be witness to the greatest living rock and roll entertainer.
Very well said!! I hoping they will return because our performance in Boston was only 1 1/2 hours. I missed several shows because I travel all the time and really would like another chance to see Meat.
Love Ya Meat and Co. Most, BostonCPA
Time for me to put in my 2 cents I guess ...
First of all, I can't comment on what should or shouldn't have happened during the 80's ... that was before my time (as a Meat fan that is).
David, I live in the United States, and would never think for one second that Meat has turned his back on us. On the contrary ... I think he's been doing the best job he can, given the circumstances. It's all about timing .... yes it's a shame that they didn't have more time to promote CHSIB when it first came out last September. But you need to ask yourself ... what was Meat supposed to do :??: Cancel all of the shows during the first leg of the tour, or even his appearances in Australia, and then the first leg of the European tour :??: It's a fantastic CD, and I truly wish it could have been more successful in the US market :? .... but there are other markets that Meat also has to worry about.
I don't have a jealous bone in my body ... by that I mean I'm genuinely thrilled for everyone in the Europe, Australia and New Zealand who will now get the chance to see Meat. I'm very happy that he has been able to reschedule all of the UK shows so quickly .... because it means that he's ok. He gave us all a scare for a couple of weeks, and I can't imagine what it would be like without him or his music right now. Yes, I hope he does come back to the US and complete the 2nd leg of the tour in the US ... I would give anything to be able to share the emotion of DIST and Forever Young just once. But if that means waiting until September, and hopefully seeing him in AC, that's fine. If not, maybe I'll make a trip to Europe in the summer .. who knows. Just have to wait and see what happens I guess. I saw two amazing shows this September, and nothing will ever take those memories away from me.
Like SueW, I didn't realize that he was supposed to be in Columbus in April. Maybe he'll still do the show .... maybe not ... when every thing is said and done, Meat has to do what's best for him. He's been through a lot this year, and quite frankly I think he deserves a break.
Finally, there's just one thing that confuses me about this entire thread .. why is that the person that's doing the most complaining now was someone who already told us about the great concerts he got to see this past September :??: What about the people such as Sherrie, tink, MB (who had a couple of shows cancelled) or people in the UK who still may not get the chance to see him during this tour ... you don't see them complaining. Those are the people I feel bad for .... noone else. Just something to think about ....
Vicki
sherrie87
12 Dec 2003, 04:48
David said: And about him not seeing the need to make up dates because they are only half sold. Let it be known that ChoccyBat is even saying that Meat is in it for the money. If Meat cared about that part of his fan base, he would do the good and the right thing by making up the dates, juat as he did over there - regardless of the ticket sales. The point is, on the outside, Meat Loaf is giving the appearance of giving america the big P I S S O F F !!!!
Just my opinion, but I really don't think that Meat cares for his American fan base any less than his UK fans. (I most assuredly don't think he's given us the blow off.) I believe the UK concerts were rescheduled so immediately because Meat is "in country" and has a limited window of opportunity to remake the dates before he goes back to the states for a bit, then Down Under. It simply makes sense to quickly reschedule the dates for the time when he will still be in the UK. As for the US dates, Meat is in the US most of the year (barring globe skipping world tours), and there is a much larger window of opportunity for reschedules. Of course, I would be ecstatic if Meat did schedule a final leg of the tour in the US- you'd probably hear me crowing about it from miles away, it would absolutely make my year- but if for some reason Meat feels he needs a break instead, I won't get all bitter about it. I think that Meat has shown that he gives all he can to his fans, whether they live in America or the UK.
Sherrie
Just my opinion, but I really don't think that Meat cares for his American fan base any less than his UK fans. (I most assuredly don't think he's given us the blow off.) I believe the UK concerts were rescheduled so immediately because Meat is "in country" and has a limited window of opportunity to remake the dates before he goes back to the states for a bit, then Down Under. It simply makes sense to quickly reschedule the dates for the time when he will still be in the UK. As for the US dates, Meat is in the US most of the year (barring globe skipping world tours), and there is a much larger window of opportunity for reschedules. Of course, I would be ecstatic if Meat did schedule a final leg of the tour in the US- you'd probably hear me crowing about it from miles away, it would absolutely make my year- but if for some reason Meat feels he needs a break instead, I won't get all bitter about it. I think that Meat has shown that he gives all he can to his fans, whether they live in America or the UK.
Sherrie
Thank you Sherrie .. I absolutely agree.
Vicki
Saying this, there is no reason (that I know of) why the album couldn't have been released earlier, or the tour couldn't have started later.
I posted about this on another thread somewhere but I understood that CHSIB was supposed to have been released in US before the tour but Meat Loaf switched record companies (twice I believe) so that was why it was released at the end of the tour.
Like SueW, I didn't realize that he was supposed to be in Columbus in April.
I did know that! My post says that I understood they were supposed to have played in US from April until November and I knew that PromoWest were saying April for their date.
As I've posted all along, I think that the way Columbus has been treated was dreadful.....fans who bought their concert tickets back in May for a concert in September were told less than a week before the concert that it was postponed until the Spring and the reason was that Meat Loaf was playing a promo concert in Cleveland that evening (a gig that was only booked a few weeks before). They had previously played a proper concert in Cleveland the week before too. Regardless of how much publicity that promo concert generated (and I don't recall of hearing of any), I think that to cancel a concert without a valid reason is not good.
SueW
Winston
12 Dec 2003, 12:22
well i'm delighted that kasim and todd are touring again :mrgreen:
well i'm delighted that kasim and todd are touring again :mrgreen:
I Couldn't Have Said It Better :-)
Fire Ball
15 Dec 2003, 07:42
Igot tell you are all wrong , calm down didn;t know therre waas a makeup date, the told you there wrong!Q allways taking a break after australia. If it makes sense we will play more dates, we might be recording Bat3 , one more thing I read Cyndi had meet and greets for 200 and 300 people not at my show she had done, we 300 people bacstage at LA 225 were mine other than that no meet and greets, That's crazy. If you think I want promote bat 3 like a bat out of hell then your are insaine What brought this angry on me, what have I dione to you!! I'm just a working man trying to make some people happy. But I see it is impossible. all that happen record co wanted it in Sept I wanted march so I could sent it up. the single was top 5 in a lot of cities and there were big stations we did for Bat 3. Alot goes on that doesn't make sense to you but it really does
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Meat
Fire Ball
15 Dec 2003, 07:48
if you thing i don't want to promote bat 3 in the us with everythinhg i got then your crazy
CORRECTION
rockfenris2005
15 Dec 2003, 07:58
Fireball might be playing JOKER in Jim Steinman's BATMAN-THE MUSICAL, which will be good. Apparently, though it's just rumored, Meat Loaf and Robert Evans have already made demos for the new musical. What has Fireball got to say about all this? And will there be BATMAN songs on BAT 3?
Keep Rocking
15 Dec 2003, 10:30
Hey Fire Ball!
Most of us never doubt that you will promote BATIII 120%(or even more ;-) )!
So please don't be angry with us. I can understand, that you are getting angry when you were giving everything from you and than you have to read something negative about it-but these negative are the minority.
We-the true fans- will never ever have any doubts!
Rock on Fire Ball!!!
P.S.: hope I was able to express it right, but my english is not 100% :?
You took the words.. Keep Rockin.
Yes Meat don´t be angry, we love you.
Sabine
The Flying Mouse
15 Dec 2003, 11:27
one more thing I read Cyndi had meet and greets for 200 and 300 people not at my show she had done, we 300 people bacstage at LA 225 were mine other than that no meet and greets, That's crazy.
Thanks for clearing that up Meat :D .I'm glad it wasn't true.It really made me angry when I heard it.(Sorry Cyndi :oops: )
If you think I wont promote bat 3 like a bat out of hell then your are insaine
Meat, I know your gonna work your ass off promoting Bat III, but the closing chapter of the Bat trilogy is gonna be the biggest event of rock history 8) .Even if you didn't promote it, it will still be a smash.
Put it this way, the day Bat III is released, i'm gonna buy a new hat.If neither the album or singles get to No.1 I'LL EAT IT :twisted:
What brought this angry on me, what have I dione to you!! I'm just a working man trying to make some people happy. But I see it is impossible.
It really makes me unhappy to see you thinking like that :( .You have many many faithful fans.We know how hard you work and appreciate it.You've never let us down and you DO make us very happy.If you didn't, we wouldn't bother visiting this site every day :wink: .We all love you man.Never think anything different :D .
Keep Rocking wrote:
I can understand, that you are getting angry when you were giving everything from you and than you have to read something negative about it-but these negative are the minority.
We-the true fans- will never ever have any doubts!
That's so true, though I understand how despondent and discouraged Meat must get. Even when most people are encouraging, positive and pleasant it's easy to have your spirits dragged down by a few with negative thoughts and accusing tongues.
But I do hope Meat can complete the later repeat legs of this tour despite recording Bat3, even if dates are delayed .. the reviews of his current shows demonstrate that he is in as good form as he has ever been, and it would be so good for his many loyal fans who adore him to see this celebration of an enduring world class talent, and the "Last World Tour" would be the huge triumph it should be :)
What brought this angry on me, what have I dione to you!! I'm just a working man trying to make some people happy. But I see it is impossible.
Meat,
You have it wrong here. You do make us very happy. I am just very irate that I have been told there would be a make up date, when that was never the plan all along. I am a hard working man too and need to watch my finances. I have been sitting on four tickets that I paid hard earned cash for - waiting for the chance to see you rock once again. You make us very happy. What does not make me happy is being jerked around, being told by the venue and Ticketmaster that they have an agreement with you to make up a show that you have no intention to make up. I could have done a lot with that just over $200.00, especially with Christmas coming. Ticketmaster can take my money in just under 30 seconds, yet it will take them two to three weeks to return it? Certainly you can see where my frustration lies.
America really wants to see Meat Loaf return here. There is no show like a Meat Loaf show.
Saying that you cannot make us happy is wrong Meat. You make us very happy. It is just difficult a lot of the time. It would be much easier if there was more communication. Please understand this.
BTW, you need to have someone contact PromoWest and let them know you are not coming so they can inform the people still holding onto tickets for your make up date.
ROCK ON FIRE BALL!!!
So please don't be angry with us. I can understand, that you are getting angry when you were giving everything from you and than you have to read something negative about it-but these negative are the minority.
We-the true fans- will never ever have any doubts!
Rock on Fire Ball!!!
P.S.: hope I was able to express it right, but my english is not 100% :?
You expressed it perfectly Keep Rocking :)
Vicki
Hey Fire Ball!
Most of us never doubt that you will promote BATIII 120%(or even more ;-) )!
So please don't be angry with us. I can understand, that you are getting angry when you were giving everything from you and than you have to read something negative about it-but these negative are the minority.
We-the true fans- will never ever have any doubts!
Rock on Fire Ball!!!
You are right, Yvonne! :D
Love
Eva
I'm just a working man trying to make some people happy. But I see it is impossible. all that happen record co wanted it in Sept I wanted march so I could sent it up. the single was top 5 in a lot of cities and there were big stations we did for Bat 3. Alot goes on that doesn't make sense to you but it really does
Meat
Hi Meat !
Thank you !!!
I guess they're right when they say that you can't please all of the people all of the time :roll:
Yes, obviously there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about :) But what some people don't realize is that, from an Economics point of view, the US is just one small piece of the puzzle .....
if they were to do a competitive market analysis of the record industry, looking at the supply and demand of the product (CHSIB) as a whole, and taking other underlying factors into consideration (i.e. timing), this strategy actually makes a lot of sense.
What doesn't make sense to me is what the heck were you doing on the internet posting this message at 6:00 in the morning :lol:
Seriously though, please remember that you make your TRUE fans very happy, and we will always be there to support you, no matter what :)) And there are those of us who are willing to sit here patiently waiting for Bat III and to see if you can hopefully schedule more shows after you come back from Australia.
Vicki
In that case, David, I'd would have preferred a simple clear statement instead that kind of that ... ummm ... "rant". 8O 8)
In that case, David, I'd would have preferred a simple clear statement instead that kind of that ... ummm ... "rant". 8O 8)
I agree R ..... which is why I alerted Meat to what was being said in this thread.
Vicki
In that case, David, I'd would have preferred a simple clear statement instead that kind of that ... ummm ... "rant". 8O 8)
R., I would kindly beg that one man's rant is another man's frustration speaking.
It is sad I had to go into a rant to be rewarded with the truth about the Columbus make up date. But, I certainly hope that you can understand why I felt so frustrated about this.
I agree R ..... which is why I alerted Meat to what was being said in this thread.
So I have no right to complain if I feel someone is holding my money without giving me anything in return. I took a lot of grief over the stupid racing shirts, but no one complained about people complaining over that one now did they? I just thought it odd that part of the band was off planning other shows during a time period I have a PAID ticket for a SOLD OUT show! Get over it Vicki ~ you are acting like a board cop!
ROCK ON TANTRUM BOY!!!
P.S. I put two posts together so that Caryl would not have to correct me on that issue as well!!!
Well David, if people continue to abuse Meat on this board, I'll exercise my right to bring his attention to it :
There is a great percentage of the American fanbase that feels as if Meat Loaf has given us up. I know this because I chat wtih a great deal of people on a regular basis.
(1). I took exception to your suggesting that you are speaking for a great percentage of American fanbase when I seriously doubt that's true.
Meat Loaf really hurt us with his comments during his petty rant on this board about not playing America at this time, when we know full good and well make up dates are promised.
(2). I took exception to you dragging up what you call Meat's petty rant on the board.
Further, he threw salt into our wounds when all of the UK dates were promptly made up, yet he cannot find time in his busy schedual to make up NOT ONE single date in America that he missed
(3). I took exception to your saying that he threw salt into our wounds by making up the UK dates.
Quite frankly this sounds like Meat was being intenionally hurtful and cruel ... when clearly it made sense for him to make them up now before he continued onto Australia.
And about him not seeing the need to make up dates because they are only half sold. Let it be known that ChoccyBat is even saying that Meat is in it for the money. If Meat cared about that part of his fan base, he would do the good and the right thing by making up the dates, juat as he did over there - regardless of the ticket sales. The point is, on the outside, Meat Loaf is giving the appearance of giving america the big P I S S O F F !!!!
(4). Not only were you acting as a spokesperson for the US fans, as well as putting words in ChoccyBat's mouth ... I took exception with you insinuating that Meat does not care about his US fans and is giving America the big P I S S O F F, which is clearly NOT true.
The bottom line is the facts you quoted were incorrect, and I simply gave Meat the opportunity to point that out and correct them. And if I'm acting as a board cop ..... well somebody has to do it, and it might as well be me :?
Who is TANTRUM BOY this time David :??: If I remember, you used that to describe Meat not too long ago .....
and how did Caryl's name get dragged into this :??: I don't remember seeing her post anything when you started this thread ....
Vicki
Well David, if people continue to abuse Meat on this board, I'll exercise my right to bring his attention to it :
I never abused Meat Loaf in any way. I was simply stating my case.
* P O O F *
Be gone!
This is the most joyous and blessed time of the year, and I do not have time to deal with bitter women who have nothing better to do than tattle.
Thank you for tattling to Meat so that I can finally get my answer. I love you for that, among other things.
ROCK ON FIRE BALL!!!
* P O O F *
Be gone!
This is the most joyous and blessed time of the year, and I do not have time to deal with bitter women who have nothing better to do than tattle.
Thank you for tattling to Meat so that I can finally get my answer. I love you for that, among other things.
ROCK ON FIRE BALL!!!
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Boy, I never know what I'm going to find when I come on here! Sometimes you guys are a volatile bunch :) I'd just like to go on record as 1) an Ohioan who loves Meat, 2) an Ohioan who doesn't feel pissed off, or pissed upon, or anything, and 3) an Ohioan who was looking forward to seeing Meat in Columbus in the Spring (I have tickets too, actually 2 sets because the first seats I got were crummy) but if it doesn't happen that's life. I'll be sad but that's life. Last September when the Cleveland radio promotion took priority, I understood that was a business decision, and sometimes the record companies kind of call the shots, don't they? So I don't think Columbus fans needed to take that personally; I didn't anyway.
Love you no matter what, Meat.
-Kathy
Boy, I never know what I'm going to find when I come on here! Sometimes you guys are a volatile bunch :) I'd just like to go on record as 1) an Ohioan who loves Meat, 2) an Ohioan who doesn't feel pissed off, or pissed upon, or anything, and 3) an Ohioan who was looking forward to seeing Meat in Columbus in the Spring (I have tickets too, actually 2 sets because the first seats I got were crummy) but if it doesn't happen that's life. I'll be sad but that's life. Last September when the Cleveland radio promotion took priority, I understood that was a business decision, and sometimes the record companies kind of call the shots, don't they? So I don't think Columbus fans needed to take that personally; I didn't anyway.
Love you no matter what, Meat.
-Kathy
Thank you Kathy :))
Vicki
shadow1000001
16 Dec 2003, 03:02
It's a good thing that we all have tolerance and respect here otherwise I can see this thread heading for fight club :wink: Seems to me that calling Vicki bitter isn't tolerant or respectful.
It's a good thing that we all have tolerance and respect here otherwise I can see this thread heading for fight club :wink: Seems to me that calling Vicki bitter isn't tolerant or respectful.
Thank you very much Maria :))
Vicki
The Flying Mouse
16 Dec 2003, 03:24
Point of order...
And if I'm acting as a board cop ..... well somebody has to do it, and it might as well be me :?
I believe that's R's job.And I happen to think he does it damn well :evil:
Point of order...
I believe that's R's job.And I happen to think he does it damn well :evil:
Couldn't Have Said It Better :-)
ROCK ON WHO'S MOD!!!
Point of order...
And if I'm acting as a board cop ..... well somebody has to do it, and it might as well be me :?
I believe that's R's job.And I happen to think he does it damn well :evil:
Just so there's no misunderstanding here, David was the one who said I was acting like a board cop. That was not my intention .... I felt that David's comments against Meat, and his treatment of his U.S. fans, were both disrespectful and uncalled for ... and I thought someone should bring it to Meat's attention.
Vicki
The Flying Mouse
16 Dec 2003, 04:42
Just so there's no misunderstanding here, David was the one who said I was acting like a board cop. That was not my intention
I know that it was David who coined the phrase, but as a member of the mlukfc team (even a minor one), forgive me if I take the comment "well somebody has to do it" rather personally.
I felt that David's comments against Meat, and his treatment of his U.S. fans, were both disrespectful and uncalled for ... and I thought someone should bring it to Meat's attention.I agree, in the sence that I cannot agree with everything David said, or how it was said, but it WAS said on a public forum.Nothing was said behind Meat's back.Meat reads these forums for himself, and it is reasonable to assume that he would read this too.There was speculation on this thread, that's why R. removed it's announcment status.Meat stopped by to end the speculation, for which i'm sure we're all very grateful as usual, but IMHO Meat does not need to be told where and when he needs to speak out.
I felt that David's comments against Meat, and his treatment of his U.S. fans, were both disrespectful and uncalled for ... and I thought someone should bring it to Meat's attention.I agree, in the sence that I cannot agree with everything David said, or how it was said, but it WAS said on a public forum.Nothing was said behind Meat's back.Meat reads these forums for himself, and it is reasonable to assume that he would read this too.There was speculation on this thread, that's why R. removed it's announcment status.Meat stopped by to end the speculation, for which i'm sure we're all very grateful as usual, but IMHO Meat does not need to be told where and when he needs to speak out.
Yes, you're right ... it WAS said on a public forum, and perhaps Meat would have seen it eventually. Or given the title on the thread, perhaps not. I simply told Meat he should see what David was saying, and assured him that David did NOT, IMHO, speak for the majority of the US fans, and certainly not for myself or those I know. It was Meat's decision to speak out.
Vicki
Tried to delete this one! Sorry!!
I am fairly new at posting and interjecting any of my own thoughts here, I hope you will allow this intrusion at the eleventh hour of this thread. But I have a few things to say if I may…. And this is across the board and taking no sides at all in this very interesting thread and discussion. Much of this is close to own my heart and thoughts however, as being from California and definitely affected last summer by several cancelled venues……
David said:
>> Further, he threw salt into our wounds when all of the UK dates were promptly made up, yet he cannot find time in his busy schedual to make up NOT ONE single date in America that he missed. <<
You know David, I had seats for three concerts last summer. Universal City which I saw, Lancaster which was to be in my local theatre and for which I had second row seats, and Anaheim. The last two concerts were cancelled and my money refunded. It was very disappointing at the time, I was so ready to see him again in concert. My reaction to the rescheduling of the UK concerts has been a bit wistful, but very happy for the UK fans… and hope that perhaps I may get another opportunity sometime to see him again in a concert somewhere without Cyndi Lauper opening. Why do I say that?? Well, I will get into it more a bit later in this post…. I do not personally feel the salt you mention here, but I can understand any big fan who lost out mourning a lost opportunity. I just think it needs to be kept in perspective perhaps… by fans on both sides of the issue.
ChoccyBat said:
>> Perhaps the fact that in his American shows half the audience [...] off after Cyndi Lauper, and only being half full anyway meant he really didn't see the need. Over here he is selling out massive venues, so probably feels an obligation to reschedule. <<
I have NO idea if this was a factor… and if it is indeed true it would be I would think understandable in weighing the balace. But I can say this… the two concerts in California that I was to go to that were cancelled did not have Cyndi Lauper as the opener… and the Lancaster venue was very small with around approximately 800 seats.
David said:
>> During this tour, the Cyndi meet and greets were held during the first part of Meat's set - after Cyndi left the stage. I am sorry, but I could not imagine going back and watching another band play after meeting my hero. I would say I would most likely be buzzing so much I could barely think straight at that point. I know that most of them simply went home. Also, are you aware that most of Cyndi's fans that did not get meet and greets left as well. They were basically not interested in seeing Meat Loaf at all. If Meat were to have arranged ticketing like Cyndi, maybe the crowds might have been better. <<
I was not aware in any way if there were meet and greets going on at Universal City, but I can say that in the long timeframe that it took between Cyndi Lauper and Meat Loaf's sets, the audience did empty out considerably… and they continued to leave throughout Meat Loaf’s performance. It was a looonng night and it ended well after midnight. It did seem to me that many were perhaps there for Cyndi Lauper, and that the combination did not necessarily work in Meat Loaf's favor.
Meat Loaf said:
>> Igot tell you are all wrong , calm down didn;t know therre waas a makeup date, the told you there wrong!Q allways taking a break after australia. If it makes sense we will play more dates, we might be recording Bat3 , one more thing I read Cyndi had meet and greets for 200 and 300 people not at my show she had done, we 300 people bacstage at LA 225 were mine other than that no meet and greets, That's crazy. If you think I want promote bat 3 like a bat out of hell then your are insaine What brought this angry on me, what have I dione to you!! I'm just a working man trying to make some people happy. But I see it is impossible. all that happen record co wanted it in Sept I wanted march so I could sent it up. the single was top 5 in a lot of cities and there were big stations we did for Bat 3. Alot goes on that doesn't make sense to you but it really does <<
You know, I think that is it so amazing and a bit daunting that an artist of this stature would feel that he needs to justify himself and post on a fan webboard in his defense like this. It is more on the unique side of fandom that he posts here at all, and I can only imagine what it costs him as an individual. I am not completely certain what it does to the dynamics of this community… But I love his passion, his drive to be understood, his honesty and forthrightness…
Caryl said:
>> But I do hope Meat can complete the later repeat legs of this tour despite recording Bat3, even if dates are delayed .. the reviews of his current shows demonstrate that he is in as good form as he has ever been, and it would be so good for his many loyal fans who adore him to see this celebration of an enduring world class talent, and the "Last World Tour" would be the huge triumph it should be <
For me I look at this from a bit different slant I suppose. Bat III is part of the legacy that he will leave behind long after the cheers from the fans at the nightly concerts have subsided and waned. I think the concerts are absolutely wonderful and a gift to the fans… But the gift to the future will be the recordings, and it is what he will ultimately leave behind. He is going to need everyone’s support for the next important leg in his journey… Just as he has needed patience and understanding throughout the trials he has faced in this past year while on tour. I suppose I am stuck on looking past the near to the far… So forgive me. Bat III calls, and it was so good to read his words here this evening.
Vickip said:
>> What doesn't make sense to me is what the heck were you doing on the internet posting this message at 6:00 in the morning
Seriously though, please remember that you make your TRUE fans very happy, and we will always be there to support you, no matter what And there are those of us who are willing to sit here patiently waiting for Bat III and to see if you can hopefully schedule more shows after you come back from Australia. <<
What indeed was he doing posting at such an hour??? But Vicki, I just had a thought here… What makes a true fan? You see… In my mind, anyone who is taking the time to sign up here for this message board, post, and become involved in any of the discussions IS a true fan… or, they would have never found their way here in the first place. The difference’s between some may be in the way they approach their fanhood, and the focus of what moves them. People are always going to differ in how they see things and appreciate the arts… and truly, that is just a part of life and what makes us all so diversified. The key is additionally in how we treat each other in our different views, tastes, approach, and styles… and if we can work through the times we disagree and strive for harmony, or destroy each other while in conflict.
I think this is an amazing community… and it reflects the passion and heart of the man it exists because of. In the end, it is not just the man, but it is the music… and the message. And anything we post here is going to be our own truths as the individuals we are… and not "the" truth.
Just a few thoughts on a quiet Monday night….
Best to all,
Di
….. still a Rookie but working on it…
Just a few thoughts on a quiet Monday night…. ;)
Couldn't Have Said It Better Myself :-)
Di said:
For me I look at this from a bit different slant I suppose. Bat III is part of the legacy that he will leave behind long after the cheers from the fans at the nightly concerts have subsided and waned. I think the concerts are absolutely wonderful and a gift to the fans… But the gift to the future will be the recordings, and it is what he will ultimately leave behind. He is going to need everyone’s support for the next important leg in his journey… Just as he has needed patience and understanding throughout the trials he has faced in this past year while on tour. I suppose I am stuck on looking past the near to the far… So forgive me. Bat III calls, and it was so good to read his words here this evening.
When Meat was talking last year about his last world tour he was enthusiastic and excited. I'm pretty sure he planned it as a triumphant conclusion to his touring career .. certainly the thought which has clearly gone into the presentation suggests that, and I can't believe this superb live performer would want to finish on a low key note. I have 26 years of memories, each of which enhances my listening to the many CDs I have, but for many people this will be their first as well as last opportunity to see an incredible and unique stage show delivered by one of the greatest showmen of all time. Those memories will I believe be a wonderful gift which people can hold for many years to come.
I'm sure Bat3 will be excellent, given the talent of the two main people involved, although right now I'm still swept away by CHSIB. Like Meat I consider it to be his best and most exciting album since BOOH, and a fitting and worthy pinnacle which is how he saw it at the time, and what he thought then would be the future, and the crowning glory of his legacy.
I am so thrilled for Meat that this tour, which must be so very special to him, after a difficult start is now becoming a triumph and a celebration. I feel privileged, honoured and blessed to have been part of the audience for that, and that I will be again in January. I am so very pleased for those in the Antipodes who will finally see him in concert .. people like Shane who has longed for this opportunity and will at last now realise it :) I was just expressing the hope that fans in the USA (including some very dear friends) who missed out for one reason or another this year, would get the chance next year to get the gift of Meat live, as was planned, to hold close and treasure for the rest of their lives. I have been blessed, and I hope they are too, just like the sweet man who sat next to us last Saturday and sat with tears in his eyes at the concert's conclusion, "That was bloody amazing! He's bloody amazing!! I'm so glad I got to see that. I'll never forget it, never!!!"
It doesn't diminish any feelings or hopes I have for Bat3 Di :) It will call .. but in its time. Just now I hope that as many as possible may share in the wonder of this current tour, and that Meat and they too will have an enduring memory of a triumphant celebration that stays Forever Young.
Debbi V
16 Dec 2003, 13:49
What indeed was he doing posting at such an hour??? But Vicki, I just had a thought here… What makes a true fan? You see… In my mind, anyone who is taking the time to sign up here for this message board, post, and become involved in any of the discussions IS a true fan… or, they would have never found their way here in the first place. The difference’s between some may be in the way they approach their fanhood, and the focus of what moves them. People are always going to differ in how they see things and appreciate the arts… and truly, that is just a part of life and what makes us all so diversified. The key is additionally in how we treat each other in our different views, tastes, approach, and styles… and if we can work through the times we disagree and strive for harmony, or destroy each other while in conflict.
How true that is, Di!! There was a whole thread on this subject on OIFC not long ago. Like many on this forum, I have 25+ years of memories too and condsider myself a major fan of ML. However, I find it somewhat annoying that the term "true fan" is used as a quasi-insult in some postings. I in no way intend to point fingers here, mind you. I just feel that, as Di has so aptly stated, that each one of us appreciates Meat in their own way.
Yes, we're all human and have disappointments and frustration when something we have eagerly awaited does not come to pass. Sometimes, we rant and sometimes we take it in stride. I'll be the first to admit that the cancellation of the September 12th show at the last minute ticked me off. Of course, I had some major issues going on in my life at the time and had looked forward to this event as an escape for a time. And yes, I have experienced twinges of jealousy that the UK shows were rescheduled so quickly. BUT, I understand that some things are out of my and Meat's control so I'll waut and see what happens.
So, until I can enjoy a live performance again, I'll take care of what I must and look forward to next year (or the year after that if necessary).
With much affection to all - Debbi V
When Meat was talking last year about his last world tour he was enthusiastic and excited. I'm pretty sure he planned it as a triumphant conclusion to his touring career .. certainly the thought which has clearly gone into the presentation suggests that, and I can't believe this superb live performer would want to finish on a low key note. I have 26 years of memories, each of which enhances my listening to the many CDs I have, but for many people this will be their first as well as last opportunity to see an incredible and unique stage show delivered by one of the greatest showmen of all time. Those memories will I believe be a wonderful gift which people can hold for many years to come.
I'm sure Bat3 will be excellent, given the talent of the two main people involved, although right now I'm still swept away by CHSIB. Like Meat I consider it to be his best and most exciting album since BOOH, and a fitting and worthy pinnacle which is how he saw it at the time, and what he thought then would be the future, and the crowning glory of his legacy.
I am so thrilled for Meat that this tour, which must be so very special to him, after a difficult start is now becoming a triumph and a celebration. I feel privileged, honoured and blessed to have been part of the audience for that, and that I will be again in January. I am so very pleased for those in the Antipodes who will finally see him in concert .. people like Shane who has longed for this opportunity and will at last now realise it :) I was just expressing the hope that fans in the USA (including some very dear friends) who missed out for one reason or another this year, would get the chance next year to get the gift of Meat live, as was planned, to hold close and treasure for the rest of their lives. I have been blessed, and I hope they are too, just like the sweet man who sat next to us last Saturday and sat with tears in his eyes at the concert's conclusion, "That was bl**dy amazing! He's bl**dy amazing!! I'm so glad I got to see that. I'll never forget it, never!!!"
It doesn't diminish any feelings or hopes I have for Bat3 Di :) It will call .. but in its time. Just now I hope that as many as possible may share in the wonder of this current tour, and that Meat and they too will have an enduring memory of a triumphant celebration that stays Forever Young.
Hi Caryl,
I hope that you did not misunderstand my thoughts in this portion of my rather epic post of last evening.... ;) I am certainly not attempting to take away from the magic of the concert experience for anyone, and it is just so great that he is back to experiencing good health, is presently strong in performances, and bringing the music to the people who love and appreciate it. That is what concerts are for, and they are indeed memory making life events. :)
For my own part, the only observation and/or worry I have is that the very busy schedule he is experiencing will not adversely affect him in any way, and that he remains healthy, can fulfill his concert commitments without stress and worry, and that his voice will remain strong for all his future plans. :D
There is no doubt that you are a long time, passionate and very loyal fan, and additionally a very eloquent one. It is very easy to read your heart in the words you write, and the care, concern, and love you put into being a fan. :)
In reading many of the threads here as I have been familiarizing myself with the various forums, I do have a thought to add here if I may, and this is in general and not directed at anyone in particular.... To the same extent that we extend ourselves to be heard and understood in our thoughts, opinions, feelings and beliefs.... so to the same degree should we also allow others to do the same with whatever they may hold to be of value to them. No one is exactly right, no one is exactly wrong. Just differing minds... and it is how we exchange those ideas that show the true quality of the people we are.
Well.... that was a bit deep before morning coffee.... ;)
I love CHSIB and listen to it often. I think it is a fantastic CD and there are many songs on it I have grown to love. I think Meat Loaf is a very special artist, and a large part of it is the passion and feeling he puts into the work he produces, in whatever medium he is presently involved in. :)
And with those closing thoughts.... off for that steaming cup of coffee and the day, I hope you have a great one Caryl.
:)
Di
Di said:
For me I look at this from a bit different slant I suppose. Bat III is part of the legacy that he will leave behind long after the cheers from the fans at the nightly concerts have subsided and waned. I think the concerts are absolutely wonderful and a gift to the fans… But the gift to the future will be the recordings, and it is what he will ultimately leave behind. He is going to need everyone’s support for the next important leg in his journey… Just as he has needed patience and understanding throughout the trials he has faced in this past year while on tour. I suppose I am stuck on looking past the near to the far… So forgive me. Bat III calls, and it was so good to read his words here this evening.
When Meat was talking last year about his last world tour he was enthusiastic and excited. I'm pretty sure he planned it as a triumphant conclusion to his touring career .. certainly the thought which has clearly gone into the presentation suggests that, and I can't believe this superb live performer would want to finish on a low key note. I have 26 years of memories, each of which enhances my listening to the many CDs I have, but for many people this will be their first as well as last opportunity to see an incredible and unique stage show delivered by one of the greatest showmen of all time. Those memories will I believe be a wonderful gift which people can hold for many years to come.
I'm sure Bat3 will be excellent, given the talent of the two main people involved, although right now I'm still swept away by CHSIB. Like Meat I consider it to be his best and most exciting album since BOOH, and a fitting and worthy pinnacle which is how he saw it at the time, and what he thought then would be the future, and the crowning glory of his legacy.
I am so thrilled for Meat that this tour, which must be so very special to him, after a difficult start is now becoming a triumph and a celebration. I feel privileged, honoured and blessed to have been part of the audience for that, and that I will be again in January. I am so very pleased for those in the Antipodes who will finally see him in concert .. people like Shane who has longed for this opportunity and will at last now realise it :) I was just expressing the hope that fans in the USA (including some very dear friends) who missed out for one reason or another this year, would get the chance next year to get the gift of Meat live, as was planned, to hold close and treasure for the rest of their lives. I have been blessed, and I hope they are too, just like the sweet man who sat next to us last Saturday and sat with tears in his eyes at the concert's conclusion, "That was bl**dy amazing! He's bl**dy amazing!! I'm so glad I got to see that. I'll never forget it, never!!!"
It doesn't diminish any feelings or hopes I have for Bat3 Di :) It will call .. but in its time. Just now I hope that as many as possible may share in the wonder of this current tour, and that Meat and they too will have an enduring memory of a triumphant celebration that stays Forever Young.
I Couldn't Have Said It Better ... thank you !!
Vicki
Di wrote:
Hi Caryl,
I hope that you did not misunderstand my thoughts in this portion of my rather epic post of last evening....
Not at all .. I was just explaining why I had said I hoped Meat would complete the second US leg of the tour.
For my own part, the only observation and/or worry I have is that the very busy schedule he is experiencing will not adversely affect him in any way, and that he remains healthy, can fulfill his concert commitments without stress and worry, and that his voice will remain strong for all his future plans.
I'm sure we all do, and now that the heart problem he has had since birth has been finally diagnosed and successfully treated he seems in glowing health, and I'm sure will remain so :)
Have a great day yourself :)
Winston
16 Dec 2003, 17:01
Just incase anyone might have forgotten, Kasim's touring with Todd in April.
Just incase anyone might have forgotten, Kasim's touring with Todd in April.
Ya know, this is right! Also, it looks like David, Jules, Terry, and maybe Rebecca, Lou, and Gina might be at the Chicago show! Who all is going to see that one?
ROCK ON KASIM SULTON!!!
Winston
16 Dec 2003, 18:08
I'll start swimming over now David :P
I'll start swimming over now David :P
Whooo Hoooo!!!
BTW, I do not own a single Todd Rundgren anything, other than what he has done with Meat Loaf. What would be a good first Todd purchase?
ROCK ON TODD RUNDGREN!!!
Winston
17 Dec 2003, 00:47
I've no idea David. I've only got Utopia's albums, I've nothing of Todd's solo work. Ask Pebbles.
I've no idea David. I've only got Utopia's albums, I've nothing of Todd's solo work. Ask Pebbles.
Utopia...even better...what would you recommend there???
ROCK ON INSERT WORDS!!!
The problem (or advantage depending on your viewpoint) with Todd Rundgren is that his albums and tours vary so much. For example he's toured with no instruments and just 15(?) vocalists in 1985, in 1994 (I think) he toured with mainly computer generated music, in 1997 they played almost all the set as in a Tikki lounge with bosa nova style music and in 2000 it was a Power Trio Tour with pure rock music.
Also with Todd (unlike Meat Loaf) there are very few songs that he HAS to play on each tour so it leaves the whole set very open.
As Liars isn't released until next week or February (depending on what you read) we really don't know yet what the tour format will be.
SueW
The problem (or advantage depending on your viewpoint) with Todd Rundgren is that his albums and tours vary so much...
So you are telling me I could be in for some real insanity on stage???
Whoo hoooo!!!
ROCK ON WILD ROCKERS!!!
Winston
17 Dec 2003, 02:29
David, my favourite Utopia album is Oblivion. RA is pretty weird, they all wear 'dresses' on the front cover, but after a few listens it's actually quiet good. Deface The Music is a Beatles rip off, which isn't the best. Adventures In Utopia is good. Oops Wrong Planet is not bad. You should get Anthology 1974-1985, that has songs from various Utopia albums on it, and it will give you an idea what they were like, although some great songs were left of it.
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