Bad For Good - The Album [Archive]

PEACHES

25 Jan 2004, 12:12

I am new to this website so please forgive me if this message is posted on to the wrong message board. (I have formerly used the International Fanclub site.) I have just read a message somewhere on this site concerning the song Dance in My Pants by Jim Steinman. In my personal opinion (and being a fan of Jim and Meat since the 70's) this song IS PANTS! However you can hear it on a copy of BAD FOR GOOD which can I believe still be ordered from HMV where I bought my copy about 18 months ago.

If you are interested the songs included on this album are of course all sung by Jim and are as follows: Bad for Good - Lost boys and Golden Girls - Love and Death of an Anerican Guitar - Stark Raving Love - Rock and Roll dreams come Through - Out of the Frying Pan (And in to the Fire) - Surfs up - Dance in my Pants - Left in the Dark - The Storm.

rockfenris2005

25 Jan 2004, 12:26

Ancient history, but welcome

rockfenris2005

25 Jan 2004, 12:27

The tracklist on my CD is:

1-The Storm
2-Bad For Good
3-Dance in my Pants
4-Love and Death and an American Guitar
5-Stark Raving Love
6-Out of the Frying Pan (And Into the Fire)
7-Lost Boys and Golden Girls
8-Surf's up
9-Left in the Dark
10-Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through

But my LP is the same as the tracklist you mentioned. Any idea why it was changed?

PEACHES

25 Jan 2004, 12:40

No idea why this is different????? Mine is dated 1981 I thought it was an original.

rockfenris2005

25 Jan 2004, 13:17

No, don't panic. The cd tracklist is the new one. For some reason, they re-arranged all the tracks. Why? I think the cd design is really lame. They don't even give you a lyric booklet, just a lame seperate printout of the cover and the back-cover is blue with boring, Times New Roman titles of the tracklist. I wish they would release a remastered version. That would be fantastic

Michel

25 Jan 2004, 17:07

I've changed this topic title to Bad For Good - The Album.

meatwka

25 Jan 2004, 17:34

i think this is a great album. The songs are fantastic. However i dont think jimmy's voice is a patch on Meats for this kinda music. Dont get me wrong, his voice is good but not compaared to Meats. :D :wink:

PanicLord

25 Jan 2004, 18:20

I agree - the songs are fantastic, proper Steinsongs. The main problem is Jim's singing.

Some tracks he's OK - on Dance In My Pants he sounds pretty good. But some songs he uses falsetto, and Left In The Dark is just pitiful.

MLFAN17

25 Jan 2004, 20:31

When I first heard this cd I had a hard time getting used to it. Now I really enjoy it! lol. I have seen the video to Dance in My Pants its HILARIOUS!(cheesy too). I dont know wby but even before seeing the video to that song the song itself CRACKS ME UP! :lol: Jim has the greatest voice for those speaking parts and even though I am female I am jealous! Left in the Dark I like better with Jim then I do with Meat..sad isnt?? I do really enjoy the album as a whole in the sense that I love the piano music being right in front and being able to be heard so well ! I knwo he is a pianist and his songs are great just as such! I had always wished Meat and Jim would do an album with just Jim on the piano and Meat doing vocals. I heard OBjects done that way on the Live aroundd the world and it BLOWS ME AWAY!

rockfenris2005

26 Jan 2004, 09:21

No, Jim's version is so good it motivates me to put a shopping bag over my head. Meat's version doesn't even get me to go shopping!!

Oriel

26 Jan 2004, 11:50

I'd just like to point out that Rory Dodd sings on a few of the songs on Bad For Good, most are sung by Jimmy though.

Bohemian

26 Jan 2004, 12:12

I'd just like to point out that Rory Dodd sings on a few of the songs on Bad For Good, most are sung by Jimmy though.

Yes that is right. Lost Boys and Golden Girls and Surfs Up have "featured vocals" by Rory Dodd.

I guess that means he sung all of them given as their appears to be transition anywhere. but hell his voice is so similar to Jim's maybe Jim does sing in parts of those songs. I have always suspected Rory to have sung all of those two songs though.

And even though it does not say it anywhere on (my copy, anyway, of) the LP and 7 inch I thikn Rock And Roll Dreams is Rory Dodd as well.

Bohemian

Bart

26 Jan 2004, 12:29

I still don't understand what was it that Jim had to sing this whole album. iIts such a waste he did it. yes i know all the stories, but it still dont make sense. He just ruined it.

Pudding

26 Jan 2004, 22:43

I still don't understand what was it that Jim had to sing this whole album. iIts such a waste he did it. yes i know all the stories, but it still dont make sense. He just ruined it.

I don't think he ruined it at all. Yeah his vocals weren't as good as Meats on Bat Out Of Hell but Meats vocals on Deadringer weren't that cracky either.

I think the reasoning behind Jim singing it is that they spent all this time and money in a recording studio when Meats voice went all crappy, so then they were at a point where they can either get another singer or lose what they've done. That's when Jim (with Rory's) help decided to do the album. Some of Jims best songs are on Bad For Good and that's why Meat sang some of them on Bat 2, as finished products with meat on vocal as he should have been.

However I still can't see the reasoning for not including Surf's Up on Bat 2, when it's arguably one of the best songs Jim's ever written. Meats rendition of it on Bad Atitude sucked big time.

Pud:o]

Pudding

26 Jan 2004, 22:47

No, Jim's version is so good it motivates me to put a shopping bag over my head.

Well what's stopping you :??:

Pud 8O

RSG

27 Jan 2004, 01:53

I heard most of the songs from Bad For Good (now i just have to find somewhere i can actually buy it. is HMV really reliable? )

bad for good is a great album. the vocals by jim are really good. i can picture meat singing some of these songs. i can't see them on bat III because i look at it like this. BAT OUT OF HELL, was like this gothic type of teenage romantic rebellion thing. dead ringer also had a sound that was almost unique compared to BOOH. Back Into Hell was even though it had songs from BAD For Good, itt had almost the same qualities as the prequel, but it had more magic into it, and more songs like for crying out loud on it. which is awesome. I LOVE OBJECTS\REAR VIEW MIRROR. sry about the yelling. (cover art for these 3 describes most of the albums qualities 8) i think

As for Meat's singing, well it suited Dead Ringer finely (i think). sure they weren't as good as todays or BOOH's, but it still went great with the creative music in this piece.

some people saay that Bad Attitude, is a bad piece, but his vocals are awesome, and its just a reminder that they were gone for a little bit, but now they are back, and better than ever! :)

Pudding

27 Jan 2004, 02:44

some people saay that Bad Attitude, is a bad piece, but his vocals are awesome, and its just a reminder that they were gone for a little bit, but now they are back, and better than ever! :)

On the whole Bad Attiude isn't a bad album and a hell of a lot better than 'Midnight At The Lost And Found' and 'Blind Before I stop' albums. But it's the rendition of Surf's Up that annoys me. Perhaps it's the synths or something but after hearing the song on Bad For Good how it should have been done there's no comparison.

If I was to request a song for Bat 3 that was recycled then Surf's Up done properly by Meat would be it.

Pud:o]

Bart

27 Jan 2004, 10:52

Surf's Up on BA is not bad at all. Its a fine production. The vocals from Meat are awesome. And i like the strings/orchestra in the background. And the guitarsolo is great. It's a different song than on BFG. So maybe we shouldn't compare. The only thing is maybe that it just misses a sensitive touch. But I agree, this is one of Jim's finest songs.

The reason somewhere here above about Jim's vocals for BFG is just one story. The other one is that Meat did not want to do vocals for an ordinary copy from Bat. And in my opnion thats the reason Meat did not sing it. How you could explain that he did vocal for Dead Ringer at the same time Jim did vocals for BFG?

And about Meat's vocals on Dead Ringer: okay, his voice is not at his best. But still he sings with so much emotion. So much better than the thing Jim did. More then you deserve, Gonna love her, Kill you, Read ém, well all these songs Meat did a great job.

Great songs, best writer, together with a great performer, the best performer. To me they are better than lennon and McCartney or anyone else.

PanicLord

27 Jan 2004, 20:12

Bart Wrote:

"And about Meat's vocals on Dead Ringer: okay, his voice is not at his best. But still he sings with so much emotion. So much better than the thing Jim did. More then you deserve, Gonna love her, Kill you, Read ém, well all these songs Meat did a great job. "

Exactly - he may have lost some of his previous power, but he more than makes up for it with bucketfuls of emotion. My favourite Meat album. And 2500 times better singing than Bad For Good.

Frying Pan

27 Jan 2004, 22:01

On the whole Bad Attiude isn't a bad album and a hell of a lot better than 'Midnight At The Lost And Found' and 'Blind Before I stop' albums. But it's the rendition of Surf's Up that annoys me. Perhaps it's the synths or something but after hearing the song on Bad For Good how it should have been done there's no comparison.

If I was to request a song for Bat 3 that was recycled then Surf's Up done properly by Meat would be it.

I think Meat's Surf's Up brings out the sexual side of the song a lot more wheras Jim/Rory's brings portrays a more sensitive/sensual side.
There both good versions but I admit the production on Meat's could've been better.
As for the album Bad For Good I've always loved it but perhaps now less than I did when I first bought it. I don't think Jim's vocals are that bad and you cannot say he ain't emotional on the songs, especially LITD.
When you hear the title track though sung live by Meat you know it was meant for him.

rockfenris2005

28 Jan 2004, 01:33

I know a lot of people who OPENLY and publicly dread BAD FOR GOOD. My own aunt begged me not to get it, because she had a copy and it wasn't a pleasant experience. Nevertheless, I love it - because Jim is not only an actor, but a fine performer. If anyone here is interested in more singing from this man, they should probably track down (somehow) the 3CD recording of his college musical, "The Dream Engine". He sings really good on that - "God Game" is a wonderful Stein-moment (the singer side, not the writing side, although the song is fairly ok)

rockfenris2005

28 Jan 2004, 01:35

Sorry I meant to say:

"Jim is not only a WRITER, but a fine performer"

I hate this keyboard - and my brain is virtually fried. I stayed up all night working on my musical

AndyK

28 Jan 2004, 01:46

Got to agree that if there's one Jim song crying out for Meats Vocals and Jims Production then it has to be Surfs Up!

And I'd second the suggestion to hunt down Dream Engine, or even the Neverland recoridng (although it's a far lower quality) if you can - some great early versions of some songs that you may well recognise ;)

rockfenris2005

28 Jan 2004, 02:01

Hehehe...

NEVERLAND is not complete. Alot of Act Two is missing. DREAM ENGINE is probably the best one, and for those looking for the ultimate Steinman experience, get yourself a copy of TANZ DER VAMPIRE - Der Gesantaufhahme. It's an enthralling recording

Pudding

28 Jan 2004, 04:14

My own aunt begged me not to get it, because she had a copy and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

Then why didn't your Aunt give you her copy?

If anyone here is interested in more singing from this man, they should probably track down (somehow) the 3CD recording of his college musical, "The Dream Engine".

Well people now know that you have it, so are YOU going to offer to do some copies? or do you only take and not give!

"Jim is not only a WRITER, but a fine performer"

When have you seen him perform?

Pud

rockfenris2005

28 Jan 2004, 04:28

That's how I got the cd. I can't burn cds, I was just recommending that people should find it.

Bart

29 Jan 2004, 11:58

Jim could sing very well before he broke his nose. At least its what i read in some books/interviews.

PanicLord

29 Jan 2004, 19:36

ROFL!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the funniest darned thing I've heard all week!

Gez

29 Jan 2004, 21:47

Jim could sing very well before he broke his nose. At least its what i read in some books/interviews.

Thats what Barbra Striesand said.......not forgetting Barry Manilow :wink:

Loafy Meats

29 Jan 2004, 22:40

I really can't take to Jim singing at all. I heard a few songs from b sides of Meat singles and it grated on me..... oh well.....

Pudding

30 Jan 2004, 02:18

I'm a big Steinman fan but I have to admit that his singing doesn't do much for me neither. Shame about his broken nose though!

Pud:o]

rockfenris2005

31 Jan 2004, 10:19

You're a Steinfan and yet you don't know about the broken nose story? Please research it. It's a very strange story

Pudding

31 Jan 2004, 21:17

Yes I know about the broken nose story. There are other people in this world who has heard of Jim Steinman you know Ryan, so stop coming across that you think you are the only person who knows anything and everything about the man.

I said "Shame about his broken nose though!" which would indicate in my statement that it's a shame about his broken nose and not 'what broken nose??.

Pud:o]

White of High

01 Feb 2004, 00:23

Please give me here the broken nose story!!!

Pudding

01 Feb 2004, 00:34

Please give me here the broken nose story!!!

OK, but I tell you it's boring.

When Jim was younger (still in College) he wanted to be a singer/performer but some accident left him with a broken nose and could no longer reach the notes he once could. That's why in interviews and such when people ask why he doesn't sing any of his own songs he says it's because he got a broken nose when he was younger.

Told you it was boring.

Pud:o]

RSG

01 Feb 2004, 02:02

I heard it was by some lesbian biker chick? I can't remember where I read it, but that's what I heard. Not know, believe me I don't know much about Steinman, and as far as musical and writing goes, thats pretty much where I stay interested. Everything else if he wants people to know I think he'll say himself :)

Bart

03 Feb 2004, 11:09

i think thats the correct story. Its been written in The phenomenon of excess.
" i had been in this big fight and had my nose badly broken by this 6 foot 2 inch lady biker with a tattoo! The surgeon messed it up worse, and i couldn't even talk for about a year and a half".

The Flying Mouse

03 Feb 2004, 17:23

:twisted: Thanks Bart.
I was wondering where i'd heard that story before :lol:

The Bad For Good album is pretty good.

The title track is fantastic.I've heard an early live version of Meat singing it and it's awesome.I'd love a good studio performance to be on Bat III 8)

Stark Raving Love is another highlight of the album.It's a great song.The only thing that spoils for me is the Lost Boys & Golden Girls verse.It's just too cheesy :? .I'd expect it from Stars On 45 but not from Jimmy.

I love The Storm 8) .I can listen to that on repeat for hours.A really well done piece of music :D .

I prefare Meat's versions to Jim's and Rory's, but that's just my opinion.Meat's voice is much stronger, and for me makes the songs better to listen too.The versions on Bad For Good are a lot softer.I don't do subtle :wink:

As for Dead Ringer.I honestly think it's a much underated album.Many people think that his voice had not fully recovered when he recorded it, but I think his voice was amazing on it.The songs are really difficult to sing (much harder than the Bat album IMHO), and I don't see how it could have been done better 8) .

Pudding

03 Feb 2004, 23:29

I'd really like Meat to do a full orchestral version of Surf's Up as his version on Bad Attitude just gives me the chills, it's bloody awful...In My Opinion.

Pud:o]

RSG

03 Feb 2004, 23:49

I LOVE Surf's Up, on Bad Attitude,

but yes, I would love to see an orchestral version myself 8)

Pudding

04 Feb 2004, 02:41

I LOVE Surf's Up, on Bad Attitude,

but yes, I would love to see an orchestral version myself

I think I'm a sucker for the overblown bombastic orchestral Steinman production, which was obviously missing on Bad Attitude. And don't get me wrong I like Bad Attitude as an album but there's something about someone else producing a Steinman song that doesn't seem quite right, apart from Todd Rundgren of course.

Pud:o]

rockfenris2005

04 Feb 2004, 10:22

Bart

04 Feb 2004, 17:15

BFg is a great album indeed. I love all the piano chords. Their fantastic. The storm is great and what i've read very expensive (50,000 dollars).
When i listen to the record i always pretend Meat is singing it. Also the whole "mood"of the album is rather hmmm, how i say in English, dark. When i listen to the whole record, i don't get a happy feeling. Its a total different mood/feeling/atmosphere than bat, though the concept is equal.

Pudding

05 Feb 2004, 01:11

Pudding, you edited your post! I remember you saying something that implied that you DIDN'T know the story. Believe me, I have a very good memory. Have you tampered with the post or something? Is it some kind of joke to get back at me? I know what I saw. I wouldn't have wasted my time in replying otherwise....

I actually can't see which post you're referring to????

I never said I didn't know the story, so your memory isn't as sharp as you'd like everyone to think. I don't usually imply anything, either you know exactly what I'm trying to say or I'm not saying anything at all.
As for editing, I only edit when I've spotted a big grammatical error, bad spelling mistake or I didn't do the quote thing properly.

I have no reason to get back at for anything, so you must be wasting your time, just like I am now, replying to your post which doesn't make sense.

Pud:o]

05 Feb 2004, 16:42

rockfenris2005

06 Feb 2004, 10:31

No, he's playing smart with me - because he thinks I'm too smart for my own good. I know his game and I won't play into it.

The Flying Mouse

06 Feb 2004, 10:37

jcmoorehead

06 Feb 2004, 20:33

:twisted: When someone edit's their posts, a note appears on the post to indicate that it has been edited, unless the post edited is still the last one on the thread.

Can we get back to talking about the album now? :roll:

Aye you are correct. On PHPBB it does give a notation as default.

And as for the album, my friends dad has it, and he said its good. There I kept on topic :lol:

Pudding

07 Feb 2004, 22:54

No, he's playing smart with me.

Yes I am :lol:

because he thinks I'm too smart for my own good.

Yes you are :nuts:

I know his game.

Do you? :bicker:

and I won't play into it.

Yes you will :devil:

Pud :twisted:

jcmoorehead

07 Feb 2004, 22:57

I know his game

Is it monopoly?

rockfenris2005

08 Feb 2004, 06:37

I won't play your games. I am here as a fan and that's all, and I gladly take the time to post as much as I can here, and as positive as possible. If you want to play personal games, then fine. I don't deal in that market anymore. Find someone else. Now, let's go on with BAD FOR GOOD. Do we really need to say that it's a spectacular masterpiece? It is. Or at least it is in my opinion. 10/10.

jcmoorehead

08 Feb 2004, 12:34

Now, let's go on with BAD FOR GOOD. Do we really need to say that it's a spectacular masterpiece? It is. Or at least it is in my opinion. 10/10.

I'm going to have to give it a listen if i can ever find it.