View Full Version : STOP ROWING PLEASE!!!!!!
airhead
01 Mar 2004, 18:05
This is the first and it will be the last angry post i will ever do as it is out of my nature.
PLEASE STOP ARGUING! I AM FED UP WITH READING TOPICS AND EVERYONE BEING ANGRY AT EACHOTHER.
I AM FED UP WITH PEOPLE LEAVING THE FORUM BECAUSE OF BEING DRIVEN AWAY. BECAUSE OF THIS WE'VE LOST MEAT, WE'VE LOST CHRIS, AND IF IT CARRIES ON YOU'LL LOSE ME!
THIS TOPIC IS ALMOST CERTAIN TO GET LOCKED, BUT THIS IS HOW I FEEL!
Thank you. Gawd, i need a beer now. Mousie, pull a pint for us please, cause i'm your lovely glass collecter!
well said, this isn't the first time a post like this has appeared and everyone agrees that the differences should be settled so maybe we should do as we preach and pray another topic like this one appears
Rob The Badger
01 Mar 2004, 18:14
I'll stay. I got nowhere else to go. . .
The Flying Mouse
01 Mar 2004, 18:16
:twisted: It's unlikely that everyone is going to get on :( but I hope so.
Moved to Site Feedback.
tolerance doesn't mean friendship but it should stop too many arguments that get out of control
original sin
01 Mar 2004, 19:10
airhead - I can quite see why you feel the need to do this poll.
At the moment in the way it's worded I'm sorry i cannot vote one way or the other.
Perosnally I think the root cause needs to be addressed which is - do we as members of the Meat Loaf UK Fan Club forum want to read or be part of unnecessary critiques of Meat work and efforts and if they do appear here what do we do sit back and hold out tongues?
I'll stay. I got nowhere else to go. . .
This is my home also..................My refuge.....................
I'll still be here when I'm 65 years young :!: (if your have me) :lol:
I'll stay. I got nowhere else to go. . .
This is my home also..................My refuge.....................
I'll still be here when I'm 65 years young :!: (if your have me) :lol:
This is my home and this is my family and I don't want anything more or anything less!!! All I want is you guys here to whisk me away from the real world!! Some of the nicest, generous and caring people are on here and I don't want that to be taken away!! All of this nonsense is noones fault but our own!! I love you all, even if noone feels the same!!
Keep Rocking
01 Mar 2004, 21:36
I'm relatively new to this forum. But I don't want to miss it just for one day. I know when I come here I will find everything: laughing, friends, people who understand me (and always a cold beer at the Bat & Bellfry :wink: ),...
I don't like the argueing which is going on for the last weeks. But I hope it will stop at some time :?
And hopefully Meat, Chris and others will come back.
Yvonne
I have voted No in this poll.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
I noticed that my NO vote is, so far, the only one. But sometimes a person must just go with the unpopular choice. I'm not going to say yes just in case i rock the boat by saying what i really feel.
There are things going on in these forums that, to be honest i'm pretty annoyed and angered with. I undersatnd that everybody can't get on all of the time - and that's fine by me - but i think that this is not one of the times when a group hug and sickly sweet good sentiments can make things instantly better.
My nan once told me that i should be true to myself and then i'd be false to no-one, and this is one of those times. If i make myself unpopular for saying what i realy feel - so be it - but at least i'll know that my concience is clear.
airhead
01 Mar 2004, 23:50
I have voted No in this poll.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
I noticed that my NO vote is, so far, the only one. But sometimes a person must just go with the unpopular choice. I'm not going to say yes just in case i rock the boat by saying what i really feel.
There are things going on in these forums that, to be honest i'm pretty annoyed and angered with. I undersatnd that everybody can't get on all of the time - and that's fine by me - but i think that this is not one of the times when a group hug and sickly sweet good sentiments can make things instantly better.
My nan once told me that i should be true to myself and then i'd be false to no-one, and this is one of those times. If i make myself unpopular for saying what i realy feel - so be it - but at least i'll know that my concience is clear.
Heat i respect your opinion. It is your choice as with others. But the prob is because people are starting to drift away and i don't want to see that happen. I no a group hug doesn't sort out stuff straight away (and belive me, i know) but If people just wanted to row, then do it through pm. Not through the boards because it's bringing others down.
IMHO people are always going to be transient on this board. That's just life. Yes, it brings people down when there are arguments and disagreements, but that again is life.
I don't think the focus should be on the fact that people are disagreeing and not getting on - as i said before, that is a part of any community - but more so on how and IF these arguments can be resolved. Do you honestly think it's better to sweep these simmering tensions under the carpet and leave them there to fester, then to try and get to the bottom of them and find out what's really going on?
IMO - and this is just that - part of the problem is that people have always been too happy to say 'well...lets just forget all about it and move on' and when you do that you create a whole shedload of unresolved issues that, over time, start to eat away at people, thus creating a circle of unease and unrest. And i think that some of these are finally beginning to surface now.
I know i'm not speaking for the majority here - i'm probably speaking for my lonley minority - but that's ok.
first Meat :cry: now Chris, :cry: all i can say is WTF is happening on here lately,ever heard the song thats what friends are for by Dionne Warwick:? , if you havent 8O listen to the words :? these words sum up just how much are friends mean to us on here, and were slowly losing them one by one :( this is such a shame :cry: cu soon Carol. xxx :wink:
I vote no as well Heat, for mostly the same reasons as you, so you're not alone. Theres much more to all this than meets the eye and just hoping if everyone shuts up and pretends its not happening, it'll go away, isnt gonna work, everytime theres a disagreement its coming back to the same underlying problems. They need to be addressed and dealt with, then there may just be some hope.
Deb
Winston
02 Mar 2004, 01:55
I voted no aswell. A group hug and lets agree to disagree aint gonna work. As deb says the problems need to be address...and one rule for one and one rule for everybody else is not the way to go.
The Flying Mouse
02 Mar 2004, 02:30
:twisted: Addressing the problem is fine, but first we have to define it in a civil manner.
As I see it, there are two basic schools of thought here.
1.People who have their opinion, and feel they have a right to express that opinion, be it good or bad and reguardless of who reads it.
2.People who refuse to accept any negative opinion as this is a Meat Loaf fan club, and therfor is not the apropiate place to critisise him.
Arguments will only stop on this forum if one of the following two things happen.
1.The people who wish to air their negative views do not post them here.
2.The people who do not want to read negative reviews ignore anything posted that they don't like.
That's it in a nutshell.
I for one don't think that either of these solutions are going to happen :roll:
LostSoul
02 Mar 2004, 02:50
Perosnally I think the root cause needs to be addressed which is - do we as members of the Meat Loaf UK Fan Club forum want to read or be part of unnecessary critiques of Meat work and efforts and if they do appear here what do we do sit back and hold out tongues?
Didn't vote either for the same reason.
Right Mousie, that's a 'dead end'! :?
Patricia
:twisted: Addressing the problem is fine, but first we have to define it in a civil manner.
As I see it, there are two basic schools of thought here.
1.People who have their opinion, and feel they have a right to express that opinion, be it good or bad and reguardless of who reads it.
2.People who refuse to accept any negative opinion as this is a Meat Loaf fan club, and therfor is not the apropiate place to critisise him.
Arguments will only stop on this forum if one of the following two things happen.
1.The people who wish to air their negative views do not post them here.
2.The people who do not want to read negative reviews ignore anything posted that they don't like.
That's it in a nutshell.
I for one don't think that either of these solutions are going to happen :roll:
Theres also those of us in neither catagory
DIZZY DRUMMER
02 Mar 2004, 09:25
Heat wrote:
IMO - and this is just that - part of the problem is that people have always been too happy to say 'well...lets just forget all about it and move on' and when you do that you create a whole shedload of unresolved issues that, over time, start to eat away at people, thus creating a circle of unease and unrest. And i think that some of these are finally beginning to surface now.
I agree with this statement, people have been holding back, but have now had enough or the nit picking, not just of Meat, but others as well.
We come here to have fun, meet/get to know new people. Talk about what Maet is up to, his music etc. Yes - it is a place for constructive conversation BUT not insults
The Flying Mouse
02 Mar 2004, 09:36
:twisted: Addressing the problem is fine, but first we have to define it in a civil manner.
As I see it, there are two basic schools of thought here.
1.People who have their opinion, and feel they have a right to express that opinion, be it good or bad and reguardless of who reads it.
2.People who refuse to accept any negative opinion as this is a Meat Loaf fan club, and therfor is not the apropiate place to critisise him.
Arguments will only stop on this forum if one of the following two things happen.
1.The people who wish to air their negative views do not post them here.
2.The people who do not want to read negative reviews ignore anything posted that they don't like.
That's it in a nutshell.
I for one don't think that either of these solutions are going to happen :roll:
Theres also those of us in neither catagory
No, but there are enough people who fall into one category or the other, and IMHO it's the conflict between the two groups that is causing the problem.
i dunno theres a fair few of us in the middle who are pretty opinionated as well and dont agree with some of the extremes either side :wink:
Deb
edit = spelling T button sticking
I was interested to see this post. This is the main reason that I don't post here very often, there is far too much sniping going on, people arguing over things that cannot possibly be resolved, like who is the best tribute act etc. That is personal choice, people are always going to disagree. I have a look around here most days, but to be honest the whole thing is really boring. There is far too much bickering going on and I don't profess to have the answers, banning people obviously doesn't work, because they can come back under a different name. I can think of a few people who haven't been around for a long time on here, and it is such a shame to see the site get deeper and deeper into oblivion. I don't think it is going to get solved though and by locking threads where postings have a strong opinion is only going to fuel the fire. Just my thoughts on this subject. I didn't bother to vote, because I really don't see a solution.
:twisted: It's unlikely that everyone is going to get on :( but I hope so.
Moved to Site Feedback.
I hope it also, Mouse. :)
The Flying Mouse
02 Mar 2004, 22:19
:twisted: It's unlikely that everyone is going to get on :( but I hope so.
Moved to Site Feedback.
I hope it also, Mouse. :)
:twisted: Must say i'm not too hopeful Michel :(
Solutions?Hell, we can't even agree on what the problem is now 8O
Still, the sugestion that people not respond to posts they don't like, and give the mods a chance to do their job before a flame war starts is a good one :up:
I hope it works out :D
Mousie - no disrespect intended here, hun...
But IMHO the problem is the fact that if the Mods had done thier jobs in the first place then we wouldn't have all this crap going on now.
Seems like a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted now...
I've did a few warnings, i've tried to discuss on a normal way, I locked some topics, so I did my work. And every mod did their work, but sometimes the normal rules don't work, that's the reason why R. mad some extra rules.
So the mods and admin. did their work, otherwise their would be more problems.
Mousie - no disrespect intended here, hun...
But IMHO the problem is the fact that if the Mods had done thier jobs in the first place then we wouldn't have all this crap going on now.
Seems like a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted now...
IMO the moderating is most lacking when it comes to those who come on posting with destructive criticism of Meat. Weissheim's initial posting particularly comes to mind and IMO, seems to be the one that angered Meat the most. IMO, the mods should have recognized this post for what it was and come on IMMEDIATELY saying that such a post would not be tolerated, explaining constructive criticism was acceptable but to come onboard with such harsh remarks was not.
Take care.
I went back and found Weissheim's original post and just reread it.
http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=81954#post81954&highlight=#82301
In reading this I found nothing abrasive, abusive, or he flaming anyone at all. This was a calm and strong review from a fan who was disappointed in a concert and an artist's performance.
By the way, my own concert experience in Universal City was very close to this.... Although there is no way I would not go back to another concert as I would love to see Meat again live, and I understand an off night.
:(
Di
.... who truly does not believe the moderators failed in any way in this topic.....
Winston
03 Mar 2004, 15:24
:(
Di
.... who truly does not believe the moderators failed in any way in this topic.....
yep
original sin
03 Mar 2004, 19:35
Trying going back to dbruces first post on page 4 of this topic and read from there then let me know -
http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2455&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
Winston
03 Mar 2004, 19:39
Di was talking about Weissheim's post....or are you just tryin again to justify Meat's outbursts.
original sin
03 Mar 2004, 20:26
Di was talking about Weissheim's post....or are you just tryin again to justify Meat's outbursts.
I am well aware of what di was refering to - however the general topic is about what has happened and what some feel should not have been "classed" as acceptable.
What Meat did or didn't do subsequently is a matter of fact - the whole point Winston is should it have actually got to this stage?
I for one amongst quiet a few it would seem do not think that such postings should be sencouraged or supported under the banner of free speach - there are ways and means of putting things across without trying to wipe away in one foul swoop what has been given to us for so long.
Di was talking about Weissheim's post....or are you just tryin again to justify Meat's outbursts.
I am well aware of what di was refering to - however the general topic is about what has happened and what some feel should not have been "classed" as acceptable.
What Meat did or didn't do subsequently is a matter of fact - the whole point Winston is should it have actually got to this stage?
I for one amongst quiet a few it would seem do not think that such postings should be sencouraged or supported under the banner of free speach - there are ways and means of putting things across without trying to wipe away in one foul swoop what has been given to us for so long.
Original Sin,
It got to this point because not everyone has reached closure with the issue. I think it is going to be very difficult to expect everyone to agree on this to a person, and writings will always be subject to personal interpretation by the reader.
For myself, I found the posts in the Glasgow thread by fans unhappy with their concert experiences to be written in non-abusive, non-inflammatory, and acceptable posts. It was their honest opinions, and they did not use foul language or abuse anyone that I read as I glanced over your link just now.
We cannot always control others...... sometimes what we most have control over is our own reactions to them. That has been the point I have been attempting to make here several times, and I still do believe that this holds true for Meat as well. Live and let live can work well when the parties involved follow polite and respectful guidelines, and I enjoy reading other people's varied opinions if they are rendered in a positive fashion.
I do understand your points and I respect opinions you hold, I just do not necessarily agree with all of them.
Di
I have not been around for a while so I havn't much of a clue what has gone on (again) but I feel very sad that members are arguing again.
This was once just a friendly place, but now, I just don't know it's probably best if I just stay on the sidelines.
Rosie
is this rowing still going on. :zzz: :roll:
madonna123968848
03 Mar 2004, 22:21
Tired of the rowing ... some people are just shot away!!! Just hope Meats's website (when it is up and running) is a happier place to hang out!!!
<<< Vote's, forget differences as life is too short and at the end of the day we are all here to support MEAT!
I reckon that everyone stops arguing and we all go out and get very hammered on champagne squishys!!
Whos with me? :up:
:up: a :D :bunny: says yes :) please that would be so 8) :P :lol:
shadow1000001
03 Mar 2004, 23:56
I reckon that everyone stops arguing and we all go out and get very hammered on champagne squishys!!
Whos with me? :up:
I am. :wink:
and yes Rosie, I will be on the sidelines with you :twisted:
Maria
I think we should all calm down. As Meat Loaf fans we have things in common (erm let me think Meat Loaf) so what is the point of coming here and annoying one another (fighting, arguing what ever you want to call it) when we are upsetting the one reason why we come here (speaking for myself I can't comment on others).
Maybe Meat Loaf did overreact but you all have to remember that he has given a substancial (sp?) chunk of his life to music (even I'm like it with my music I can criticize but others have to be constructive) and to read people not even thinking about your feelings can be pretty destructive. Meat is reacting the only way he knows how so lets forget about it as this is his last tour.
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