new meat site is up and running

[goodhip]

do not know who is aware of this but www.meatloaf.net is up and running looks inteeresting

[RichieBoy]

What do you all think? I don't know to be honest!

Seems to be very tight in what is disclosed. Although I am no doubt interested, first impressions were not getting me rushing for my credit card to subscribe?

To be quite honest I still think HERE is the best site, the OIFC and Rep. Of Loafdom etc. are very good but I think this one has true fans working with it and the interaction with fans is obviously the main prority and it shows.

I dont think the .net site is doing much to attract members, I mean the main reason people are going to join up is because of the chance to have a bit more interation with ML, I cant see why ML cant still come here and reply to a view topics and spend a bit of time with the fans on the board.

If the fact of the matter is that the .net site is going to be the only way of communicating with Meat, I really can't understand it. He knows he has true fans, why do we have to pay for the privelege???

[jcmoorehead]

You have to be a paying member for pretty much everything on the site. And i'm afraid I just don't see the reason why. I'm 16 which means I do not have a credit card.

The site looks nice and everything but you have to be a paying member just to get news.

[Winston]

You have to be a paying member for pretty much everything on the site. And i'm afraid I just don't see the reason why. I'm 16 which means I do not have a credit card.

The site looks nice and everything but you have to be a paying member just to get news.

Totally agree with you. There is practically nothing you can access on the site without being a paid member.

Did Meat Loaf not say a few months ago that he doesn't need our money in relation to the his new website?

[Gez]

MLUKFC RULES :up:

[Eva]

I think it is okay to pay for a membership in a fanclub!
For the mlukfc membership we have to pay, too!
Okay, the forum here is for free but on the new site the forum is for free, too.

I will pay of course for the chance to been a member of this new club!!
To been a member of various MEAT LOAF fanclubs is great!! It is a lot of fun for me! Because it IS fun to been a MEAT LOAF fan in every way!!

I met much nice people in the last couple of years in this MEATY world - at least I found my best friend there!! So, I think it is worth to pay for that!!

Thank you MEAT and all the other people to make it possible for us fans to get this new fanclub site in add to all the other great sites!

Love,
Eva

[Winston]

I think it is okay to pay for a membership in a fanclub!
For the mlukfc membership we have to pay, too!
Okay, the forum here is for free but on the new site the forum is for free, too.Love,Eva
The Forum is not free over there. You can view posts but can't reply without being a Fan Club Member.

I think its ok to have a fan club too...but to have it attached to an artist website where you have to pay to view it is dodgy...

anyways we all know why Meat has done this anyway.......

[Diane]

I really don't understand why anyone is suddenly "surprised" that Meat's new club is a pay site. It is more than a website, it is Meat's new Official Fan Club and it's the norm for members to pay a subscription. This has been known and talked about for a very long time.

Diane

[gerard359]

I know how you feel, but i have to big questions, please anyone answer either if you can.
1) before i become a memeber, anyone who already is, can they please tell me is there many videos to view???
2) i live in ireland, will i still get the fan club card posted out to me???

thanks a million
gerry359

[MasterEngineer]

I personally don't like the thought of a fan club, made and controlles by the artist himself! In my opinion, fan clubs are from fans for fans and then I'm willing to pay, of course! Cause I know the money is being used for the administratives expenses and not for any other reason!
I'm dissapointed that a rock legend like Meat opens a commercial fanclub.
For all those who register there, I only hope that Meat and his stuff do not censor the posts in the forum! But unfortunately I guess this is what the paying membership is made for...

Have a nice weekend everybody :)
Martin

[Eva]

I know how you feel, but i have to big questions, please anyone answer either if you can.
1) before i become a memeber, anyone who already is, can they please tell me is there many videos to view???
2) i live in ireland, will i still get the fan club card posted out to me???

thanks a million
gerry359

Hi Gerry,

At this time there are no videos. But the videos should "coming soon".

Yes, they will send the membership card, the welcome letter and the fanclub patch to all members - does not matter where you live.

Love,
Eva

[MasterEngineer]

At this time there are no videos. But the videos should "coming soon".

Hi Eva, :)

The videos are "coming soon"... ah. Hopefully for you and all the others, the Team of the meatloaf.net is much more up-to-date and more eagerly than the meatloaf.de-Team! ;)
If there are really facts that will convince me now or at any time later... tell me/us. Perhaps I'll decide then different! :) When somebody can do that, then its you.

Greetings
martin

[gerard359]

cheers eva, i appreciated you getting back to me so quick

[Shadows On The Wall]

personally i extmerely diagree with having to pay but there u go, this fan club is free to access y do we have to pay just to c meat type? even thou iwant to :p

[Wezzie]

I've sent Turnstyle an email about the fan members here not being able to check out all the sections.
Now PLEASE don't quote me but to my understanding all the members in good standing will have their membership transfered over to Meat's new site, without paying anything till their dues are due.
Turnstyle is in Ca. and right now it's 7:13 am so as soon as they get in I should receive an answer and Mike is primed and ready with the list of members to email them as soon as he gets the word.
As for the younger ones out there I'll see what can be done so you can have access to more than just the front page or news.
Wezzie

[Diane]

personally i extmerely diagree with having to pay but there u go, this fan club is free to access y do we have to pay just to c meat type? even thou iwant to :p
Can I just explain here. Yes our forums are free, but membership to the MLUKFC is not, and if you want all the benefits of Fan Club membership then you pay an annual subscription to join.

Meat's new site as I explained previously is part of his new Official Fan Club and as such members will be expected to pay a subscription.

Diane

[Diane]

I've sent Turnstyle an email about the fan members here not being able to check out all the sections.
Now PLEASE don't quote me but to my understanding all the members in good standing will have their membership transfered over to Meat's new site, without paying anything till their dues are due.
Turnstyle is in Ca. and right now it's 7:13 am so as soon as they get in I should receive an answer and Mike is primed and ready with the list of members to email them as soon as he gets the word.
As for the younger ones out there I'll see what can be done so you can have access to more than just the front page or news.
Wezzie
Thanks very much for the explanation Wezzie. We'll look forward to hearing more from you.

Diane

[KebLou]

Oh well I really want to join and even if it means missing out on a whole months poket money and a lot of begging I shall do it. Straight after I have won on the MLUKFC front.
I was a bit disapointed that you had to pay to view more after waiting so long, but as they say such as life.

[Heli]

Well in my oppinion (as sad as it is) I won't be paying £30 for a membership. :(

I'd much rather save up for a membership on here. :wink:

[Shawmtloaf]

Hmm... maybe meatloaf.net will get better when they get more stuff on there... but i still reckon that mlukfc, and David's mirrorofthesoul are the best Meat Loaf sites out there. The membership seems expensive to me, although i joined only because curiosity got the better and hey! - Meat might post on the boards... uh yeh... i hope that since they arent giving away the shirt worn by Meat as a competition prize that the money it raises in the auction will be going to charity? I find it hard to believe that Meat will need the cash. On a more promising note, at least they have a ticket section up there, even if it only does show show a map of the usa - and Meat has promised to keep us up to date about Bat 3...

Ewan

[dottie]

Already registered there BUT this is my home and this is where I will be staying...............

[Heli]

Already registered there BUT this is my home and this is where I will be staying...............

YEY!! :D :D

This will always be my home too.....no matter what! :D

[bmbcali]

I have been a member of the OIFC for years and have not been able to access the new site even though our membership has supposedly been extended to August 1, 2004. Yes, I have written about 3 times now to the person in charge of checking this stuff at the new web site (Morgan). How many times does one have to say, "I'm a member and I'm having problems accessing the member parts of the new site"?

I hope these bugs are worked out soon. As of now, until I get my access throught August 1, 2004, I have not yet decided if I want to continue membership for $30/year. I will wait and see what is offered at the site. However, if the problems with access are not worked out soon, I'm ready to just forget the whole thing and just come here to see what is going on!

Also, did you all know that the "We Will Rock You" Queen music show that will open in Las Vegas this August 2004 has had references to Meat Loaf removed and replaced with references to Ozzy Osbourne? (the people that wrote the play felt that not many people in the U.S. would know who Meat Loaf was but because of all the media exposure the Osbournes get out here, they felt all different age groups would know who Ozzy was).

I can understand tailoring a play for a specific region, but who in this world has *not* see Meat in Rocky Horror or Fight Club?

I did get to briefly see Meat at a silent auction/dinner at a golf charity event in the U.S. in April 2004 and had him sign my CHSIB CD cover--guess I won't have any chances on any more tours :(

Anyway, he looked as good as one can look after getting off a long tour and having all the problems he has had in the past year! I really didn't want to bother him much (he could have been a bit tired/jet lagged and he looked like he lost more weight since the last time I saw him up close a few years ago) so I just said hi and had him sign my CD cover and then some other people came over to talk to him so I talked to his girlfriend/fiance(?) briefly and just said I wish the best to them and hope Meat has a much better year than he did last year!

[ChrisBelfast]

Its been up a day now and meat has posted on the front page already soat least it looks good so far on the keeping up to date side.

[MasterEngineer]

Paying for a membership is really no problem, but only paying for a site and getting really NO information about what I get for my 40$ that is what I don't like!

I would do anything for Meat (really!!!), but ... ... you guys know..

Nice weekend
Martin

[SueW]

How much was the old OIFC membership and what did people get for that?

SueW
http://www.KasimInfo.com

[Eva]

How much was the old OIFC membership and what did people get for that?

SueW
http://www.KasimInfo.com

Membership in the US $ 19,50
Membership international $ 29,50

We got the website and 4 newsletter per membership year with mail.
Besides we got a very friendly support.

Love,
Eva

[Kai-H.]

O.K., joined the new club yesterday. Now I'm waiting for something ... maybe only fanclub members will able to get the rumoured Live-CD's from the CHSIB-Tour ?

We'll see ... and hope.

Bye from Kai

[Guppie]

Hi all,
Do I understand correctly that it's 40 dollars for me, plus shipment? And does anyone know how much shipment costs? I live in The Netherlands.

[Eva]

Hi all,
Do I understand correctly that it's 40 dollars for me, plus shipment? And does anyone know how much shipment costs? I live in The Netherlands.

Hi Guppie

I think the costs - $ 40 - are including the shipment!
That's how I understand that!

Love,
Eva

[Guppie]

No, it says: total (without shipping and handling). $ 40,00 :?
maybe I should mail the support, and find out how much shipping and handling is.

[Eva]

No, it says: total (without shipping and handling). $ 40,00 :?
maybe I should mail the support, and find out how much shipping and handling is.

Yes, please do it and let me know the answer!
Love,
Eva

[Guppie]

will do. :)

[KebLou]

Well I got to the end until it asked Credit Card.... and I put in Money Order to see if the end figure changes and its $40 including shipping.

[Guppie]

I got this answer through mail: "After placing an order, the system will display S&H costs relative to your country.."

Haven't decided yet if I'm gonna join. 40 dollars is a lot of money. :?

[KebLou]

I got this answer through mail: "After placing an order, the system will display S&H costs relative to your country.."

Haven't decided yet if I'm gonna join. 40 dollars is a lot of money. :?

Thats a bit off isn't that why we are paying more to have it internationally, anyway if that is true I will find a way round it.

[Biscuit]

I find it interesting, and rather confusing, that the "to have , or to have not" discussion surrounding fan clubs has come up now twice for me in the last year.

I won't say which artist I'm referring to, but there was a real stink with their fan base when they began their new fan club, run by their management.

1) The price - what's $30-$40 (I presume we're talking US). A couple of CDs, a t-shirt, a DVD? I don't think fans are quantifying a fan club membership properly. It's an esoteric thing, more than a piece of material merchandise you can hold in your hand. You get emotional benefits from being a fan club member, not so much material.

2) What's wrong with an artists management/hand picked team running a fan club? At least that way you know the FC is getting 24/7 attention from the artists team. No disrespect to the wonderful fans who have run Meat's clubs in the past, but they're only doing at as a labour of love. Also, the artist is not taking your money for his profit...Fan Club membership fees go to running the fan club.

3) On the net. Music fans (of any artist) have got off pretty scot free in the last few years, because the music industry has been very lax in tapping the internet as a profit resource. We have had everything for free - even if it's not pretty legit - including music, and mostly the forums, including where the artist themself may hang out.

Before the internet, the only contact Fan Club members had with their artist was Meet n Greets, concerts, letters/comments in newsletters - all priviliges you had to pay for. Getting access to an artist through the internet for free has created a society of gripers. "We've had him for free for the last few years, why do we have to pay for him now".

Simple answer. Get over it. Every fan club does it.

4) Can you blame Meat looking for a safe haven forum after the disrespect he's got in the last year? He's had his ass dragged across the coal by any loony who could pop into a free forum and have a go. Having a paid membership fan club forum gives Meat a controlled place to hang out with the people who care, not with the people who are only out to make trouble.

In conclusion, Fan Clubs for all artists have always had a paid membership. The only thing that's changed is the delivery. Get used to it, it's here to stay.

[Guppie]

4) Can you blame Meat looking for a safe haven forum after the disrespect he's got in the last year? He's had his ass dragged across the coal by any loony who could pop into a free forum and have a go. Having a paid membership fan club forum gives Meat a controlled place to hang out with the people who care, not with the people who are only out to make trouble.

In conclusion, Fan Clubs for all artists have always had a paid membership. The only thing that's changed is the delivery. Get used to it, it's here to stay.
I think 4. is the main reason: a controlled place where only fans can post on a forum.
I myself have never been an member of any fanclub, so I'm not sure what the benefits are.

And sure: he can do whatever he wants, make the site accessable for fan club members only, make his own rules. He's entitled.

As well as I can choose if I want to join or not. :)
Haven't decided yet.

[KebLou]

4) Can you blame Meat looking for a safe haven forum after the disrespect he's got in the last year? He's had his ass dragged across the coal by any loony who could pop into a free forum and have a go. Having a paid membership fan club forum gives Meat a controlled place to hang out with the people who care, not with the people who are only out to make trouble.

In conclusion, Fan Clubs for all artists have always had a paid membership. The only thing that's changed is the delivery. Get used to it, it's here to stay.

Sorry I don't agree with the safe haven part, say I'm a looney as you call them and I want to have a pop at Meat or any other artist I can still pay for there fan club and have a pop at them, also if they were then to ban me for it I would want my money back as I am then not recieving the priviliges for which I had paid for. Think about that one.
The fact is there are a lot of young fans and you are not providing for them, its like saying you can't appriciate(sp) music because you are too young. I know there are probably Meat fans who are a lot younger than me and their parents aren't going to fork out $30-$40 for a fan club to be part of a whole.
I have seen fan clubs who only ask that you send tiny amounts of cash so that keeps them going. $40 and then shipping on top you have to be having a laugh the main reason I thought for putting $10 on top was to cover the shipping costs.
No not everything should be free but there should be more access for those of us who have no way of getting money to them, or even coming up with that sum of money.

I will still have to think about it.

[Winston]

4) Can you blame Meat looking for a safe haven forum after the disrespect he's got in the last year? He's had his ass dragged across the coal by any loony who could pop into a free forum and have a go. Having a paid membership fan club forum gives Meat a controlled place to hang out with the people who care, not with the people who are only out to make trouble.

All the Meat Police can stick together and throw flowers at him all day long. It's great to be able to read a forum where all the views are exactly the same......

:nuts:

[Guppie]

The fact is there are a lot of young fans and you are not providing for them, its like saying you can't appriciate(sp) music because you are too young. I know there are probably Meat fans who are a lot younger than me and their parents aren't going to fork out $30-$40 for a fan club to be part of a whole.
.
Well, I'm 43, but I can very well understand that $40 is not doable for young people and students and maybe others who simple can't afford it.

It's a shame that those people won't be able to get acces to the site, simply because they don't have the money :?

[Edit]

I fully agree, it is a lot of money, but also just how much fun is a controlled environment going to be?
Just because somebody wants to express their opinion, whether good or bad, should be allowed to do so.
A bit of constructive critisism never hurt anybody and even though Meat is a very sensitive person, there is a lot to learn from other peoples input.

I am not going to join - you can't even have a look at the subjects, how am I supposed to decide whether its a good community to join or not?

[DIZZY DRUMMER]

I was a member of the OIFC and apart from the induction pack - I received nothing 8O

I agree that it is alot of money & what are they offering different to what you get on here?

I am not going to throw money at it just because Meat is posting on it. (sorry Meat)

I will bide my time - wait & see :wink:

[Kathy]

"1) The price - what's $30-$40 (I presume we're talking US). A couple of CDs, a t-shirt, a DVD?"

I agree, Biscuit. I think twice before spending $40 too, but it's an easy decision in this case. Meat's my favorite artist and I want to belong to his fanclub. It's all about what you want - if someone can't come up with $40 then they're saying they can't buy CD's or a new pair of jeans or sneakers either - may be true for some but probably not most. And as far as "getting money to them", Keb, - that works both ways, lol, I had to jump through a few hoops to send UK pound notes HERE :) but it can be done.

"2) What's wrong with an artists management/hand picked team running a fan club? At least that way you know the FC is getting 24/7 attention from the artists team. No disrespect to the wonderful fans who have run Meat's clubs in the past, but they're only doing at as a labour of love. Also, the artist is not taking your money for his profit...Fan Club membership fees go to running the fan club."

I think it's just absolutely great that he's having a new official site set up, and obviously taking such a personal interest in it. I'm looking forward to my membership there a lot. And I guess I would always put an "official" site first on my list of those to join. But there's certainly room for fan-run sites as well, and in fact the more of those there are just goes to show what a big fan base he has! Different groups of fans seem to have more in common with each other and like to hang out together, and that's totally cool.

"4) Can you blame Meat looking for a safe haven forum after the disrespect he's got in the last year? He's had his ass dragged across the coal by any loony who could pop into a free forum and have a go. Having a paid membership fan club forum gives Meat a controlled place to hang out with the people who care, not with the people who are only out to make trouble. "

I don't blame him AT ALL. This way he has a place he can feel confident he's welcome - and after all it's his site and he can do what he wants with it. I think it's too bad anyone would want to pay to "have a pop" at Meat, but if that's what they want, they can probably find a fan-run site that allows it, and have their pop for free.

-Kathy

[Biscuit]

Sorry I don't agree with the safe haven part, say I'm a looney as you call them and I want to have a pop at Meat or any other artist I can still pay for there fan club and have a pop at them, also if they were then to ban me for it I would want my money back as I am then not recieving the priviliges for which I had paid for. Think about that one.

OK, when I mean looney, I mean the type that have not been fans, or previous members of these forums (well known) who have joined up specifically to stir.

If you're a resident poster, a resident FC member etc and prepared for the consequences of stirring under official guidelines, then all power to you. Constructive crit is fine, and within the controlled environment of the FC as Meat obviously wants, you'll be able to have that proper discussion.


The fact is there are a lot of young fans and you are not providing for them, its like saying you can't appriciate(sp) music because you are too young.

I'm sorry, but I don't accept that kids should get it easy for fan club memberships. If kids are given a good deal, then what's to stop the disabled, the single mums, etc etc demanding a hand as well?

Also, having parents monitor their fan clubs is good way to monitor them personally. And what's wrong with a kid earning their right to buy a membership? I remember as a teenager that if I wanted anything of my fave artist (merchandise, fan club, CDs etc) I had to work for it (whether by chores, or when I got a part time job).

Fan Clubs have always been a charge service since day dot of artists to idolize. If you were an Elvis or Beatles fan as a kid, I'm sure you paid something to be part of their fan club.

The ONLY thing that's changed regarding price of FC memberships is economy of scale. Inflation, whatever you want to call it, means that what you paid for a fan club in the 60s probably correlates to $40 in the 00s.

[Aus_loaf]

I really don't understand why anyone is suddenly "surprised" that Meat's new club is a pay site. It is more than a website, it is Meat's new Official Fan Club and it's the norm for members to pay a subscription. This has been known and talked about for a very long time.

Diane
I agree that if it is a Fan Club, then a membership fee should be charged. I personally think that the MLUKFC allows non-members far greater access to the entire site than most fan clubs do. Most allow members only to access, for example, their forum. However, I was totally disappointed in Meat's new site - apart from the home page, there is virtually nothing accessible to non-members which begs the question, is it worth joining just to get to the rest of the pages? Anyway, all the info etc. I need is on the MLUKFC of which I've been a member virtually from its founding - as far as I'm concerned, it's by far the best ML fan club on the net.

Just mho...

Luv & Hugs
Marianne :D

[KebLou]

I'm sorry, but I don't accept that kids should get it easy for fan club memberships. If kids are given a good deal, then what's to stop the disabled, the single mums, etc etc demanding a hand as well?

Also, having parents monitor their fan clubs is good way to monitor them personally. And what's wrong with a kid earning their right to buy a membership? I remember as a teenager that if I wanted anything of my fave artist (merchandise, fan club, CDs etc) I had to work for it (whether by chores, or when I got a part time job).

You have misunderstood what I said, I'm not saying give it easy to kids, but the price is a bit high. If I wanted to I have the money right now to join his fan club, but some child say two doors up who doesn't have as many privileges as me and may be an even bigger fan of Meat than me, and their parents may not be able to pay even if they do all the chores, cook dinner, mow the lawn. Also the only real job under-16s can get is to do a paper-round, and yeah I have said I would do one to get extra money and each time I do my nan gives me a weeks extra pocket money because she doesn't want me to do a paper round.
I have been part of a few fan clubs but this one will be the most expensive, and to be totally honest I can do a lot with $40 and money is money.
Yeah I may be a Meat fan but that doesn't mean every bit of my money is going to him, I have other hobbies.
Anyway we all have to our own opinions and I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this point.

[rockfenris2005]

You would never get this treatment at Steinman.com, and he's a thousand times more interesting than Meat Loaf. I only wish there were more people like Jacqueline....

[Pudding]

Just found this thread thanks to Ryan posting -yeah Ryan I just thanked you, I suggest you save it for a rainy day cos it won't happen often :mrgreen: LOL.

What I find interesting with some of the posts is that some fans are justifying spending the $40.00 as gaining emotional support :drool: .Two things I find wrong with a statement like this is:

1. If you need to go to a website or forum to get emotional support then you need to get out more often and go to the pub.
2. If you have to pay to get friends and emotional support then you're the type of person who drinks alone at the pub.

Having friends and emotional support shouldn't come at any price, it should be free and anyone who actively encourages someone to spend money in getting their friendship or emotional support isn't a friend worth having in the first place.

Pud :twisted:

[rockfenris2005]

Rainy day? What does that term even mean? I LOVE RAINY DAYS

[goodhip]

althogh there is very little available on the website i paid the $40 very happly and i have the choice in a years time not to renew if i am not happy with it same as any person has that choice on any sites i feel sorry for thse who find it to much to pay out but it is all done to presonnal choice how people spend there money if you want to join then join if not stop complaing please and finding excuses people are free to say and do what they want have a little respect

[Gez]

That's a deep breath.

May I suggest comma's, full stops etc the next time 8O .
WHERE'S MY INHALER

:wink: :wink:

[goodhip]

if i had any idea, where the. right place Was i would, fill them in

[Gez]

Think of a dartboard........aim.......and away they go :D .

I mean (comma) does it really matter (full stop) :wink:

[goodhip]

But i have a problem hitting the dart board so there is no hope for me.

[AndyK]

Before this thread is dragged kicking and screaming back on topic, may I recommend "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynne Truss? An excellent and humourous book; all about punctuation ;)

[Gez]

Before this thread is dragged kicking and screaming back on topic, may I recommend "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynne Truss? An excellent and humourous book; all about punctuation ;)

I hope that isn't the PANDA thing :lol:

[goodhip]

eats shots and leaves ok is this available at all leading book store or should got talk to the panda i have living next door

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: We really need to get this thread back on topic :nuts:

So, a few random thoughts.

Ok, the membership fee works out at approx £30.00, but don't forget that membership of mlukfc for Europe is £24.50, and £27.00 for the rest of the world, so really there is not much difference in price.

I supose it comes down to what do I get for my money?

There are extra benefits open to full members of MLUKFC.A welcome pack, the fabulous RVM, and other extras like merchandise and M&G allocation.Although what will happen for future M&G's will be interesting to see.

Although I don't doubt that there will be extra benefits available to members, it would be useful for the new site to make them a little clearer.
OK.You get a welcome pack, and there are other very interesting features on the site (box office for instance, which I think will be a great idea 8) ), but after the welcome pack arrives, What do I get?News letters through the post?Something that takes time and effort to produce?
What do I get in my hand?

There is also the question of how the subscriptions are spent, and who is running this new site.

On one hand, it's none of our buisness.You pay for what you get.If Meat get's the money, it's his buisness.If Meat's managment make money, that's what they're there for.
If you don't like it, nobody's putting a gun to your head to join.

In the past, Meat's fan clubs have been run by the fans for the fans.On a completly volentary basis.
I must say that I like that approach.I like the interaction between fans.If you get in touch with the fan club, you know your talking to another fan who shares your interest and enthusiasm.Somebody who is actually happy to hear from you.Not somebody who is dealing with you because it's their job.

IF the people running Meat's site are professionals, they are obviously being paid for their services.And as I say, nothing wrong with that.Professionals are there to be paid, but I think the fans have done a good enough job of meeting the fans needs.

This site for instance.Not one member of the fan club or forum staff get any money for what we do.It's a labour of love.So in return, fan club members know that every penny of their subscription is put right back into giving the fans the best club we can.

A professionally run club cannot do that.They have more expences in terms of who is running the site.
But is more professional mean a better site?Not necerserally.After all, when's the last time this site was neglected by the staff in any way?Moderators are hopping on and off the forums all day.


To sum up how I feel, I think the new fan club looks good.I dare say i'll be joining up in the near future.
But there's a two way street between an artist and his fans.
We were privilidged to have Meat here while the promo was running.We were given information before even the record companies new about it (the final track list for CHSIB for instance), but we the fans responded to him too.We answered the call and ran out and bought singles, we called radio stations, and went every extra mile we could to get some decent promo for the album.These are ends a record company or managment wont go to.
I would be very disapointed if Meat stopped visiting other fan sites to keep his presence exclusivly for the new site.
That I think WOULD be putting a gun to people's heads.

[Di]

:twisted: We really need to get this thread back on topic :nuts:

So, a few random thoughts.

Ok, the membership fee works out at approx £30.00, but don't forget that membership of mlukfc for Europe is £24.50, and £27.00 for the rest of the world, so really there is not much difference in price.

I supose it comes down to what do I get for my money?

There are extra benefits open to full members of MLUKFC.A welcome pack, the fabulous RVM, and other extras like merchandise and M&G allocation.Although what will happen for future M&G's will be interesting to see.

Although I don't doubt that there will be extra benefits available to members, it would be useful for the new site to make them a little clearer.
OK.You get a welcome pack, and there are other very interesting features on the site (box office for instance, which I think will be a great idea 8) ), but after the welcome pack arrives, What do I get?News letters through the post?Something that takes time and effort to produce?
What do I get in my hand?

There is also the question of how the subscriptions are spent, and who is running this new site.

On one hand, it's none of our buisness.You pay for what you get.If Meat get's the money, it's his buisness.If Meat's managment make money, that's what they're there for.
If you don't like it, nobody's putting a gun to your head to join.

In the past, Meat's fan clubs have been run by the fans for the fans.On a completly volentary basis.
I must say that I like that approach.I like the interaction between fans.If you get in touch with the fan club, you know your talking to another fan who shares your interest and enthusiasm.Somebody who is actually happy to hear from you.Not somebody who is dealing with you because it's their job.

IF the people running Meat's site are professionals, they are obviously being paid for their services.And as I say, nothing wrong with that.Professionals are there to be paid, but I think the fans have done a good enough job of meeting the fans needs.

This site for instance.Not one member of the fan club or forum staff get any money for what we do.It's a labour of love.So in return, fan club members know that every penny of their subscription is put right back into giving the fans the best club we can.

A professionally run club cannot do that.They have more expences in terms of who is running the site.
But is more professional mean a better site?Not necerserally.After all, when's the last time this site was neglected by the staff in any way?Moderators are hopping on and off the forums all day.


To sum up how I feel, I think the new fan club looks good.I dare say i'll be joining up in the near future.
But there's a two way street between an artist and his fans.
We were privilidged to have Meat here while the promo was running.We were given information before even the record companies new about it (the final track list for CHSIB for instance), but we the fans responded to him too.We answered the call and ran out and bought singles, we called radio stations, and went every extra mile we could to get some decent promo for the album.These are ends a record company or managment wont go to.
I would be very disapointed if Meat stopped visiting other fan sites to keep his presence exclusivly for the new site.
That I think WOULD be putting a gun to people's heads.

Well thought out post; thought provoking and straight from the heart. This was a pleasure to find. I have a lot of admiration for a person who will climb out on a limb alone, and say his peace in a manner that is so subjective and self honest.

Thank you for the morning read,

Di

[Pudding]

I have absolutely no problems whatsoever on spending money to join a fan club if it is money well spent.

So far there has been no indication on any future projects by Meat Loaf, so that's the news section blown away.
There's been no indication on any new merchandise
There's been no indication on the rumoured upcoming DVD or CD
So what exactly do you get for your money? Emotional support and friendship doesn't really cut it with me.

I do take it that a year long membership lasts for a year no matter when you join and not from say January to December only. Because if that's the case then why join now and not join when there's something worth joining for?

Just a rambling thought

Pud :twisted:

[goodhip]

you do get a full 365 days member ship fpr your money and while it is thin on the ground at the moment i am sure good thihgs will come my only concern do we have to pay wxtra for a leap you just a random thought

[Winston]

I have absolutely no problems whatsoever on spending money to join a fan club if it is money well spent.

So far there has been no indication on any future projects by Meat Loaf, so that's the news section blown away.
There's been no indication on any new merchandise
There's been no indication on the rumoured upcoming DVD or CD
So what exactly do you get for your money? Emotional support and friendship doesn't really cut it with me.

I do take it that a year long membership lasts for a year no matter when you join and not from say January to December only. Because if that's the case then why join now and not join when there's something worth joining for?

Just a rambling thought

Pud :twisted:
Good call Pud. I'll join when something happens in regards to Meat's music and not his movie career.

[rockfenris2005]

What really irks me (and everyone's been giving great opinions btw) is if Meat Loaf will hop online and give all the little diary entries on the creative process of BAT III, without my being able to read them. This reason, I confess, is very selfish, but HEY, I consider myself a fan and I want to know. And I, as a fan, should have a right to know what's going on every day with BAT III. Then again, I could save $40 and just get the info FOR FREE from Steinman.com....... and this is not advertising, btw.

[gerard359]

Hi all, dont get me wrong cause Im not complaining, i was just wondering has anyone else noticed the complete lack of new content on the website. Like im sure that it wouldnt be too hard to stick a couple of videos on just to let us know that they havent forgot about us???
Any views??? thanks

[madonna123968848]

Hey,

Just out of interest, has Meat been posting much on his new web site? Looks like he is not posting on here at the moment.

Sam.

[Vickip]

Hey,

Just out of interest, has Meat been posting much on his new web site? Looks like he is not posting on here at the moment.

Sam.

So far he's only posted a couple of messages in the journal on his new site :) Hopefully he'll post more often when he gets a chance.

Vicki

[Dave]

So what exactly do you get for your money? Emotional support and friendship doesn't really cut it with me.
Pud :twisted:

Hey Pud.... Couldn't Have Said It Better Myself!!!

I have all the friends and emotional support from the people I chatter with here and on my own message board.

*** EDITED AS I WAS POSTING BASED ON THE FURY OF JUST HAVING SUFFERED THROUGH ANOTHER MORNIC SPEECH BY JOHN KERRY ***
ROCK ON MLUKFC & MIRROROFTHESOUL!!!

Dave

[Alice]

Well, $40 is a lot for some people. Imagine that average salary in Russia for example is $200 a month!

But... if Meat Loaf (his porfessional people) would think a bit and make something like Collector's Club based on this membership - like releasing two full concerts on cds a year for "members only" and sending them out to fans - I would support such thing!

If they had at least 500 members who paid those $40 it would cover all their costs. Printing of 500 cds with reduced booklet (4 pages) doesn't cost much.

(Concerts could go from all the back catalogue of concerts recorded through out Meat Loaf's career, I know he recorded a lot for last 15 years at least.)

I think it would be a great idea...

[badger]

And I, as a fan, should have a right to know what's going on every day with BAT III.

Why?

Just because you are a fan does not mean you have the right to anything.

As a fan I would LIKE to know what is going on with Bat III, but Meat and Jim are well within their rights to keep it locked up and secret until the release date if they really wanted to.

[Di]

I really do not have any strong feelings about Meats official site; but I do think every artist should have one, with a good representation of his work. I am sure his site will grow with time, and it seems to be very professionally laid out. What I have seen in the Meat community especially is that there are a lot of webboards with some overlapping of the community at each. This seems to be for me just another webboard to perhaps keep up with, and the truth is I have only visited it a couple of times and did not stay long.

I wouldn't mind paying the membership fee if I felt interested in joining. But at this point I find what I enjoy and need to know here and at MOTS. MOTS is home, and this is a great place to come as well... and I am enjoying my membership here.

Everyone is different, that is why there are so many varied webboards and approaches to being a fan. Something for everyone, and if a fan is enjoying the official Meat Loaf fan site, that is great.

My pittance,

Di 8)