The Arguements on this site. [Archive]

jools35

15 Jan 2006, 23:22

Hello All,

I have been visiting this site for a long time(mainly just lurking)
I thought it would be high time to log a post.

I have been a long time fan of Meat Loafs since about 1985.
I have seen him in concert only 7 times, and these have been some of the best concerts that i have ever been to.
I have also got all his albums, be it Jim Steinman or not and for the most part they are great records

Over the last year or so, i have become increasely frustrated with the arguements, the bickering between members on this site.

Please remember that this site is called MLUKFC.

We ALL have different views of Meat Loafs Songs,concerts,material that he uses.
We are all of course are entitled to these views.

People need to calm down and think about what they are writing in posts.

With regards to Bat 3, if that is what they will call it.
Why cant people who are already knocking it, due to the supposed
lack of involvement by Jim Steinmen wait until official announcement are made???

WHAT IF THE MATTER WITH SOME PEOPLE.

I think that we are very lucky that Meat Loaf is recording another album and hopefully that he will tour in support of this record.

Having seen the latest post from Meat(Fireball),which i think we(as in this forum) are very lucky to have him post here!!!.
He is increasely getting more fed up,angry & frustrated(IMO) with certain posters.

We need to support Meat Loaf.
Surely we are all fans ?????

Sorry about the rants, but i hope that EVERYONE can think about what i have said, and hopefully allow this forum to continue for the enjoyment off ALL

Julian

15 Jan 2006, 23:25

This belongs into the feedback central. *kick*

ChloeLee88

15 Jan 2006, 23:27

:up: I agree!

jools35

15 Jan 2006, 23:29

Sorry ladies and gents

Posted in the wrong forum :oops:

AndrewG

16 Jan 2006, 01:11

I agree as well. But look at it this way: I think that many people bitch about what will become of Bat 3 on this site because there is not a lot of other decent music out there right now (at least in my opinion) so all credit to Meat and Jim. I definitely do not think Meat should listen too much to what a number of individuals have to bitch about on this website when he is thinking about his future music, he should just do what he thinks is best.

Caelan

16 Jan 2006, 01:13

Pudding

16 Jan 2006, 03:07

I disagree.

If people want to voice their concerns, then they should be allowed to, after all they are the paying public. Some people are quite happy to sit back, go with the flow and have a wait and see attitude, which is great. But there's also people like myself who aren't like that. If that makes me seem like I'm bitching then so be it, I'll be a bitch. But as much as I respect someone else's opinion for saying nothing, I don't see why my opinion should be disrespected for saying something.

Pud :twisted:

rockfenris2005

16 Jan 2006, 08:52

Ageing Bat

16 Jan 2006, 10:15

Perhaps the problem is more with the way an opinion is expressed, rather than the opinion itself?

Now I'm heading back down to 'Off Topic' where I belong!! :D

jools35

16 Jan 2006, 11:00

hi everyone

In response to rockfenris.

In my first post i said
We ALL have different views of Meat Loafs Songs,concerts,material that he uses.
We are all of course are entitled to these views.

People need to calm down and think about what they are writing in posts.

I have no problem with anyone voicing their views etc.

But as Ageing BAt said, i believe that it is the way anyones views are expressed is the problem.

Julian

ChloeLee88

16 Jan 2006, 11:01

Perhaps the problem is more with the way an opinion is expressed, rather than the opinion itself?

Now I'm heading back down to 'Off Topic' where I belong!! :D

Exactly...!!!!!

KebLou

16 Jan 2006, 22:40

I have no problem with anyone voicing their views etc.

But as Ageing BAt said, i believe that it is the way anyones views are expressed is the problem.

Julian

Actually in my own experience, it sometimes isn't. It's because people can't take it that Meat isn't super human and that he does have faults.

16 Jan 2006, 23:17

Actually in my own experience, it sometimes isn't. It's because people can't take it that Meat isn't super human and that he does have faults.
This coin, actually, has two sides. It's not only Meat that isn't super human.

KebLou

16 Jan 2006, 23:25

This coin, actually, has two sides. It's not only Meat that isn't super human.
I agree 100% with you.

Pudding

16 Jan 2006, 23:25

It's because people can't take it that Meat isn't super human and that he does have faults.

WHAT!!! :shock: when did this happen? :lmao: Meat not super human indeed :wtf: next you'll be telling us the moon isn't made of cheese :nuts:

Pud :twisted:

The Flying Mouse

16 Jan 2006, 23:37

:twisted: hmmmmmmmm cheese :mrgreen:

Steve6

17 Jan 2006, 02:10

Exactly. I agree with Pudding. If I want to say something I'll damn well say it. No one's gonna prevent me from having an opinion. And that's what I do here, express my opinions. If you can't live with that then don't make a scene, just linger away and find something else to do
That was really funny 10/10 Ryan very impressive :lol:

Everyone that posts at Rockman has the same opinion as to what you said above.
But I agree 100% with Pud and Ryan (which does'nt happen often)
If you can't express an opinion on a forum why have one?

Ankie

17 Jan 2006, 10:36

If you can't express an opinion on a forum why have one?

No, there is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion on a forum.
But every forum/website has an owner, who, at first, is paying quite some money to have it online. Then lots and lots of time and energy have to be put into it, to keep it up and running.
So it is the full right of the owners to kind of keep it the way THEY like it to be.
Beside that: it IS a fansite, so there is this ''high'' risk the person/band after who a website is named and dedicated to, is talked about the way it happens on here.

shadow1000001

17 Jan 2006, 21:37

I think that alot of the problems are that the written word doesn't always convey the feeling that the writer is trying to portray. Humour and sarcasm are not easily translated.
Alot of posts here are taken too literally. That's why we need more smilies ;)

Steve6

18 Jan 2006, 00:55

Alot of posts here are taken too literally. That's why we need more smilies ;)

I could'nt have said it better myself Shadow!!!!!!! :D :D :D

Pudding

18 Jan 2006, 00:59

Alot of posts here are taken too literally. That's why we need more smilies ;)

I used a smilie the other day to convey what I thought and my post got deleted :roll: Talk about "Kobayashi Maru"

Pud :twisted:

Steve6

18 Jan 2006, 01:38

That would'nt be the one on "MY MEAT LOAF STORY" thread by any chance Pud?:D

AndrewG

18 Jan 2006, 01:52

That would'nt be the one on "MY MEAT LOAF STORY" thread by any chance Pud?:D

In Pud's case it would be "My Jim Steinman Story" posted here. :D :D

Pudding

18 Jan 2006, 02:08

In Pud's case it would be "My Jim Steinman Story" posted here. :D :D

How did you know? I was thinking about doing one where I'm constantly ass-kissing, butt-munching and being a sycophantic lunatic :retard: Jim is the king of the world :devil: and Meat Loaf is his lowly serf :keke: I'm his most trusted advisor of course ;) and I know exactly what he's thinking ALL the time :nuts:

Pud :twisted:

The Flying Mouse

18 Jan 2006, 03:00

:twisted: Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm, where's this going :roll:
Back on topic please.

Bart

18 Jan 2006, 17:49

I don't see the problem. Just take the thing to Fightclub, :OOPS:
I talked about it!

Steve6

18 Jan 2006, 20:11

You're right Bart we need to all head to F.C and let our anger out there......:bicker:
Then when it's all said and done we can go down to the pub for a pint :cheers:

and maybe another.......... :cheers:
there's no harm in three.................. :cheers:
We might as well have one more.......... :cheers:
Its getting too comfortable....:cheers:
Its great fun..:cheers:
Starting to feel merry but we're still in control....:cheers:
We've got one on the house......:cheers:
Feeling crazy now...........................:cheers: :yay:
My body is getting drained......:tard: but we still drink.....:cheers:

Then a quick visit to the toilet.......:barf:

AndrewG

18 Jan 2006, 20:48

That was a good one Steve. :))

The Flying Mouse

18 Jan 2006, 20:58

:twisted: Not in my bar you don't :lol:

mikeloaf

19 Jan 2006, 00:17

I oddest thing about this site is when people argue against Meat when he posts his opinion on issues they clearly know less about that him, which is most things.

L96

19 Jan 2006, 00:41

And we are not allowed a difference in opinion or logic?

It is possible to be a fan, and have different ideals to the great man....

Steve6

19 Jan 2006, 00:52

But we have to respect Meats decisions. As I said Meat does'nt let his fans down. When he collapsed on stage, I thought the rest of the tour would be cancelled, but he came back out again in no time, when he should'nt have.
He won't let us down.....;) I believe in him.

mikeloaf

19 Jan 2006, 00:53

His ideal are the ideals, without him non of this would exist.

L96

19 Jan 2006, 00:59

I too believe in him, and have not said otherwise.

Ideals are an interesting topic, very open to individual perception.

Steve6

19 Jan 2006, 01:16

I saw it on the MSO DVD. I knew Meat still wanted to do something big. His passion is still there.

You have to hand it to him. He's doing his living best to make this a success.

mikeloaf

19 Jan 2006, 01:22

I think that everyone comes in from different points of view. It's easy to get annoyed and offended by other peoples views, most reply posts come from that feeling. If I agree I don't reply, if I disagree, I reply to get my point accross.

Like you say we all have our ideals, I can't argue with that!
I love Meat Loaf's music and I really admire the man.

L96

19 Jan 2006, 01:28

Too right, Steve.

A forum with all agreements would be rather dull. Opinions make discussions.

Chris

19 Jan 2006, 01:31

Discussions are fine.

It is when the discussions lead to people attacking other peoples opinions or going beyond the words and attacking the poster instead that problems start.

Steve6

19 Jan 2006, 01:36

I know what you mean Chris. Its always better to stay on the topic than off it. :up:

I have been guilty of going off the topic, but I'm learning.

mikeloaf

19 Jan 2006, 01:39

Also at the moment there isn't really anything new to discuss.

Steve6

19 Jan 2006, 01:57

We do repeat things too much. So are you coming for a quick :cheers: Mike because I am feeling really thirsty.

Ankie

19 Jan 2006, 09:12

Hey, and it isnt even off topic ;) , it is a way to deal with the reason for this thread :lol: :lol: . Hope you had a good time ;)

Bart

19 Jan 2006, 23:54

Maybe because of the new rules there isn't any discussion going. The bat 3 threads are dead. I don't like that, I miss it.

mikeloaf

20 Jan 2006, 02:18

Wait until April? No someone, somehow will ( i hope ) find something out before then! Even if it's rubbish!

Pudding

20 Jan 2006, 03:56

What do you think I've been trying to do? But I get a right royal shafting up the jackies for doing so :roll:

But for once I agree with Bart The bat 3 threads are dead. I don't like that, I miss it.

Pud :twisted:

L96

20 Jan 2006, 06:34

I never thought I'd agree with either of you (but now I agree with both). :D

Bart

20 Jan 2006, 10:32

But for once I agree with Bart
Pud :twisted:

:shock:

Bart

20 Jan 2006, 10:33

I never thought I'd agree with either of you (but now I agree with both). :D

:shock:

what? never agree with ME?

L96

20 Jan 2006, 10:48

Yeah, I know... (also known as "I'm as shocked as you are" :D)

The Flying Mouse

20 Jan 2006, 20:16

:twisted: Believe it of not, I miss the discussion myself :shock:
But if things are getting out of control, with people setting too much store in rumour, getting worked up, and posting attacks or showing disrespect for other peoples opinions, what are we gonna do? :?

It's that simple.Discussion and debate is pretty cool and insightful, and if it could be kept to that, then post till your hearts content, but when things reach that pitch, threads are gonna get locked. :(

Bart

21 Jan 2006, 22:43

You are right. So, What happened to Steve? I am just curious cause I just find out that he is banned.

Chris

21 Jan 2006, 23:10

Steve decided to attack other forum members.
People complained.
Steve was banned as per the rules.

Paul191

22 Jan 2006, 02:09

is he banned completely?

Leah

22 Jan 2006, 11:38

Hi Paul161, Steve6 isn't banned completely, he's posting over at RR that he's back on the 4th of feb...

Leah

22 Jan 2006, 11:39

Oops got yer number 9 the wrong way round and put a 6 instead! Sorry! :oops: :lol:

Pudding

22 Jan 2006, 12:03

Hi Paul161, Steve6 isn't banned completely, he's posting over at RR that he's back on the 4th of feb...

In that case he should be banned for an extra day or so for being cheeky and bragging about it :devil:

Pud :twisted:

Paul191

22 Jan 2006, 18:50

Don't worry about my name, just call me Paul. What do you mean by 'RR'.

Ankie

22 Jan 2006, 20:24

Rockman Record (http://members.boardhost.com/rockman/), which is a board attached to a Jim Steinman dedicated website.

Leah

22 Jan 2006, 22:41

Rockman Record is an entertaining place to say the least!!:devil:

Paul191

22 Jan 2006, 22:52

Thanx, thats an interesting site, i might make a few posts in the future.

AndrewG

22 Jan 2006, 23:57

I find Rockman a crazy place at times.
Look at what stephen has written today. He's out of his mind to say the least, insulting people randomly. :nuts:
Luckily we have moderators here that can delete these kind of posts. I mean what the hell would Meat Loaf or Jim Steinman think if they knew they had fans like that. They would stop making music probably! :))

Pudding

23 Jan 2006, 00:28

Luckily we have moderators here that can delete these kind of posts.

Depends what your views are on moderators, for the most part I personally think they're unnecessary, deleting, locking and editing posts, when they needn't have been. But that's just me, I swear a lot :D

Pud :twisted:

AndrewG

23 Jan 2006, 02:28

Yeah fair enough I do agree that it should not be necessary to have (too many) moderators on a site probably. I swear a lot too (a bit too much as many point out, but I'm originally from Glasgow so that explains a lot.
But if someone like Steve shows up here it's good a moderator can ban the crap out of them if necessary. :))

Pudding

23 Jan 2006, 03:20

But if someone like Steve shows up here it's good a moderator can ban the crap out of them if necessary. :))

I guess banning is better than what most people want to do :devil:

Pud :twisted:

Bart

23 Jan 2006, 12:03

The good thing here is that the gossip and rumors have come to an end. That's an achievement from the moderators. In fact, they should have done it a long time ago. maybe people here thought I was a pain in the arse but I was fighting against all the bullshit that one, two or three people were spreading around.

Pudding

23 Jan 2006, 12:23

but I was fighting against all the bullshit that one, two or three people were spreading around.

No you weren't, you were disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Some of the so-called rumours or gossip had to a greater or lesser degree, some air of truth about them. Unfortunately people like yourself, were more than unwilling to discuss these, joined the Meat Police and took offence.

Pud :twisted:

Bart

23 Jan 2006, 12:55

no, pud. you make up your own facts all the time. Just like now: "No you weren't, you were disagreeing...(..)". And they had NO truth whatsover. If I have to recollect all your statements here on this board than there is a lot of prove that they were all gossip. Don't let me "quote" your messages here.

Ankie

23 Jan 2006, 15:15

Looks like we are about to have another arguement.....
It sounds as if it is turning into a personal one, so then this is not the place to have it.

Bart

23 Jan 2006, 15:52

no it is not. But I got the right to defend myself. I am not starting it.

AndyK

23 Jan 2006, 16:22

Anyone with a substantial number of posts on this board should know the difference between a discussion and an argument.

It doesn't matter who started it ... what matters if who finishes it and who doesn't prolong it!! Honestly, there are more rational arguments in a school playground betwen a group of 8 year olds than there are here more often than not.

Take a step away from the keyboard and think before you hit reply ... please!!

Ageing Bat

23 Jan 2006, 16:47

Think we're knee deep in dummies, with all those that have been spat out lately!! :lurk: :coffee:

Keab42

23 Jan 2006, 20:49

Moderators are there for when we are unable to moderate ourselves.

Bart

24 Jan 2006, 01:09

Where are they in real life? My life is ****ed up totally. I need a moderator :mrgreen:

The Flying Mouse

24 Jan 2006, 01:30

Where are they in real life? My life is ****ed up totally. I need a moderator :mrgreen:

:twisted: Bart, last thing you want dude is someone like me running your life for you :lmao:

Bart

24 Jan 2006, 11:33

Well, Then I have always somebody by my side who loves Meat Loaf! :cool:

Bart

26 Jan 2006, 16:53

There is just a post deleted on a topic in general messages. It contents negative comment. Suddenly it was disappeared.This is censuring. And that is wrong. I don't mind that it is deleted. But I mind that it is deleted and nobody knows it has been deleted. Now it seemes that there was no negative comment there. So the topic is censured and the discussion is directed in a way the staff want it to be.

AndyK

26 Jan 2006, 17:16

Bart

You know the forum rules as well as (if not better than) anybody. Moderation decisions will not be discussed publicly. Especially with whose posts aren't the post in question this time.

As a reminder

No discussion or challenge to our editing policy are allowed within the forums.
If you disagree, or want clarification as to why a particular topic, post or individual was removed, you must contact us via PM. Moderators, administrators and staff will NOT respond to any inquiries or challenges of these rules or decisions on the public forum.

and

Forum rules and guidelines are not up for debate. This is not a democracy, but rather a private forum. Anyone openly debating the rules we have set in place will be removed. Moderators of this forum are not to be argued with when enforcing forum rules and guidelines. Anyone arguing with a Moderator against disciplinary measures will be removed from the forum. We reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless MLUKFC with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). We reserve the right to revoke your membership to the forum or disable your posting ability for any or no reason whatsoever.

AndyK

*edit added quoted rules as a reminder*