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JGrayland
25 Jan 2006, 17:56
Anyone know if Meat plans on attending any of the Dream Engine shows to support Jim? Anyone on here going themselves?? It sounds great, im flying out to NY from LA to see it.
AndrewG
25 Jan 2006, 20:53
Anyone know if Meat plans on attending any of the Dream Engine shows to support Jim? Anyone on here going themselves?? It sounds great, im flying out to NY from LA to see it.
Wow! You are?! Have fun, hope it's good!
:))
JGrayland
26 Jan 2006, 04:14
Yup... even if theres just one new Steinman song itll be money well spent (though my wife wont agree :P)
rockfenris2005
26 Jan 2006, 15:16
I don't think Meat Loaf would go to this, IMO
Since JGrayland will be going there, we hope to hear from him about the visitors he spotted!!
I don't think Meat Loaf would go to this, IMO
I'll give him 10 bucks:cool:
JGrayland
27 Jan 2006, 06:55
oh ill be sure to report back in some capacity...
be great if Meat went to support Jim tho, plus it could be some free publicity for Bat 3. whens the last time they were photographed together???
rockfenris2005
30 Jan 2006, 05:58
Why do I get the feeling this thread will turn into the four horsemen of the apocalypse?
Meat supports Jim more than you think. And vice versa.
Pudding
30 Jan 2006, 10:28
You're absolutely right Bart. Without Meat, Jim wouldn't have earned millions in royalties with no small thanks going to David Sonenberg. On the other hand, Meat wouldn't have lost millions either, if it wasn't for David Sonenberg.
Pud :twisted:
Exactly, things are beyond they're control. Things are going not the way they intend. And in the end it will destroy everything.
rockfenris2005
30 Jan 2006, 14:47
And in the end, we will all blame David Sonenberg. And rightfully so
Oh we have found the smallest commonness between the meat loaf and steinman fans :lmao:
rockfenris2005
30 Jan 2006, 15:04
Exactly. So if the album fails, Sonenberg's going down
"all the way down."
Do I understand correctly?
http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/filmography.html?p_id=203243
From All Movie Guide: A Harvard-graduated attorney and the founder of DAS Communications Ltd, an all-encompassing management service company for performers involved in various media, David Sonenberg also dabbles in film production. His best-known, first film was Dead Ringer, a dark comedy about real-life rock star Meat Loaf -- his very first client -- and an obsessed fan (also played by Meat Loaf). Sonenberg wrote the original story for the film and also acted in it.
He worked with Meat Loaf and later he has done a dark comedy about him?:shock: And who is an obsessed of whom?
looks strange for me:?
mariella
30 Jan 2006, 20:49
Oh we have found the smallest commonness between the meat loaf and steinman fans :lmao:
lol
Meat Loaf and Steinman-fans have a joined interest in this...
And I can't help wondering Why Meat isn't recording What Part Of My Body!?...I know no one has said he isn't, but recent post on here and some speculation made me think he hasn't yet... but for the life of me if Any song has hit-potential, this one certainly has all it takes...
Love,
Mariella
It appears that some broadwaybloke get the song. In my opinion, that's a waste.
Pudding
30 Jan 2006, 22:58
Why's it a waste?
Pud :twisted:
Pudding
30 Jan 2006, 23:20
I don't, that's why I'm asking.
I'm no Rob Evan fan (I presume that's who you're calling Broadwaybloke) but I also wouldn't like to hear this song sung by Meat Loaf either.
Certain songs suit certain people and a song is a waste if it goes to the wrong person. Classic example; Left In The Dark by Barbara Streisand. My personal opinion is that this particular song should be sung by a female NOT male, but she didn't do it any favours at all.
Pud :twisted:
I like the backing vocals on BB's version. And I am proud that a giant superstar like Streisand sings a Steinsong.
Why do you think the song doens't suit Meat?
Pudding
30 Jan 2006, 23:39
I think it's great Streisand sang a Steinsong, I just don't think she did that one any justice though.
The song 'What Part Of My Body' is pretty mediocre, it doesn't do much for me at all, but I can hear that it belongs in a Broadway type environment and not a Rock show or on a rock album. Saying that, Meat might have the song after all and Desmond Child worked wonders with it. But from what I've heard of the song, as it stands, it wouldn't suit Meat Loaf, IMHO.
Pud :twisted:
Also Barry Manilow destroyed Read'em and Weap, he turned it into a really soppy ear aching love song when it was meant to be an operatic ballad- it's a real shame that the Dead Ringer album was overlooked because they are a lot of good songs on their that had a lot of potential. It's a real shame Meat doesn't sing more songs from that album too but I read in an interview the other month in NME magazine or somewhere that he doesn't like Read'em and Weap or IGLHFBOU because they're too cheesy. I do disagree, they're powerful operatic songs- even Steinman has overlooked these songs in a lot of his recycled material so maybe he feels the same way.
Pudding
01 Feb 2006, 23:47
Also Barry Manilow destroyed Read'em and Weap, he turned it into a really soppy ear aching love song when it was meant to be an operatic ballad
I don't think you can blame Mr.Manilow for that, since it was Steinman who produced the song and therefor it must be how he felt it should be done. The production on Barry's is far better than Meat's but the vocals suck. And the music video is just the shits.
Pud :twisted:
Steinman has produced more songs which suck. it is not the best producer.
Pudding
02 Feb 2006, 10:21
So the question is...is it the song or the production? and which ones in particular?
Pud :twisted:
well, this is risky cause it is a matter of opinion.
First, Steinman is the best writer.
Second, I have got critics on almost all his recordings allthough I think the songs are awesome.
What first spring to my mind is the way The Tyler Album from 1986 is produced. I don't like the overall sound. Too much backing vocals for instance. It gets in the way.
I don't like Boyzone. I don't like Manilow. I don't like the production on a couple of tracks on bat 2. The overall sound on bat 2 is overdone. it is not larger than life but is computerized and impossible to play it live. Allthough Objects is the best produced song I have ever heard.
I lprefer the recording style from Bat, Dead Ringer and Bad for Good.
Pudding
02 Feb 2006, 11:00
To be honest, there needed to be a lot of backing vocals on Bonnie's songs, which takes the focus off of hers.
Boyzone's No Matter What, is a crap song fullstop. And if I'm not mistaken there was about 4 producers on that song.
I'm going to disagree with you on the Manilow version of ReaW, because I think the production is good, but the singing isn't.
Bat2 had too much Bova, synths crap for my liking, same as a couple of tracks from Pandora's Box.
Bat was awesome, Dead Ringer had a few faults and Bad For Good could have, should have been a lot better, as there's a few things on it that annoy the crap out of me.
Pud :twisted:
Okay Dead Ringer is dated and cheesy :mrgreen:. But listen to those piano arrangements. Same with Bad for Good and Bat. Have you ever heard such a piano? On later albums the quality of the piano arrangement wasn't nearly as good as on those 3 albums.
The only mistake I can find on Bad for Good is Jim's singing, the annoying backing vocals in the last part of the title song and Rory's singing on Surf's up. His voice is great but this song needs a big voice.
Don't understand me wrong. i love all of Jim's song and I love all the piano parts on all of his songs but again, the piano on the first 3 records were far better than the rest.
rockfenris2005
02 Feb 2006, 13:09
The only way we'll ever hear these songs is a) Meat Loaf plays them on the BAT 3 tour (which I can't imagine being likely) or b) Steinman includes them in The Dream Engine. I'll go with the latter...
I don't think that Read 'em and Weep and Gonna Love her are cheesy songs. Meat Loaf shouldn't have said that, IMO, because they are some of the most passionate songs I've ever heard (better than a lot of stuff on Bat 2).
Dead Ringer is one of those albums that looks to be a sunken treasure. There's seven songs on there, and only three or four have ever really gotten minor attention. Thye need to be brought back, re-furbished, modernized, exposed to the world at last.
Pudding
02 Feb 2006, 21:04
But listen to those piano arrangements. Same with Bad for Good and Bat. Have you ever heard such a piano?
I think Roy Bittan should be heavily praised for those, that's why I wanted him on the Bat3 project, and hopefully he is.
The only mistake I can find on Bad for Good is Jim's singing, the annoying backing vocals in the last part of the title song and Rory's singing on Surf's up. His voice is great but this song needs a big voice.
Yep, Jim's voice sucks. I'll have to disagree with Rory and Surf's Up though. Rory's voice and that song fit together perfectly I think, it definitely suits the higher pitch. That's why I'd love to hear a female sing it, despite the erection connotations.
Pud :twisted:
evil nickname
03 Feb 2006, 11:11
That's why I'd love to hear a female sing it, despite the erection connotations.
Well, actually, that's nothing compared to what I've heard a woman sing last week:
Cries from the grave resound in my ears
They hail from beyond my darkest fears
Faces of the past are etched in my brain
The women I raped, the men I've slain
--Ayreon, The Castle Hall (http://www.ayreon.com/discography/track.php?track_id=61)
(from a rock opera, and this part, The Barbarian, was sung by a man)
ChrisBelfast
04 Feb 2006, 14:11
Rob has updated his site. the show will last an hour (due to time restrictions). Said they are busy working in studio and rehearsing hall.
so they play only 3 steinman songs :mrgreen:
so they play only 3 steinman songs :mrgreen:
Right you are, Bart. :lmao:
J.
so they play only 3 steinman songs :mrgreen:
Even that would be the radio edits!
:twisted:
With all the love there ever was...
Dave
Michael Marxen
04 Feb 2006, 21:11
The song 'What Part Of My Body' is pretty mediocre, it doesn't do much for me at all, but I can hear that it belongs in a Broadway type environment and not a Rock show or on a rock album. Saying that, Meat might have the song after all and Desmond Child worked wonders with it. But from what I've heard of the song, as it stands, it wouldn't suit Meat Loaf, IMHO.
Pud :twisted:
Your serious?
"Body" as a song has For Crying Out Loud-dimension IMO.
And it screams for Meats voice. From the moment I heard in in NYC last January I initially thought this must have been written by Jim with Meat in mind, cause it fits just so perfectly.
Too sad that its is not going to happen...
Sad? It is bloody awfull. It would be Meat's next number 1 hit around the globe. And now this Engelbert Humperdick is gonna get it. It is a real disaster.
Well, he can get it, he can record it and then the song will never be heard. It is a waste, A real waste.
What? Why are you so sure that body will not be on Bat3?
You mean with Engelbert Humperdick Rob Evan?
You are right. I am not sure. But I have a feeling it won't be there.
And the other question, you are right too.
And what means the name Engelbert Humperdick excatly?
I have read that Meat was angry when Rob sang Body in the Over the top performance. That would mean that Meat did want body on the disc.
Pudding
04 Feb 2006, 22:45
Your serious?
"Body" as a song has For Crying Out Loud-dimension IMO.
It's all personal tastes, the song doesn't do much for me at all. But to quote myself Meat might have the song after all and Desmond Child worked wonders with it
Pud :twisted:
Space Monkey
05 Feb 2006, 18:56
Also Barry Manilow destroyed Read'em and Weap, he turned it into a really soppy ear aching love song when it was meant to be an operatic ballad
I don't think you can blame Mr.Manilow for that, since it was Steinman who produced the song and therefor it must be how he felt it should be done.
Manilow didn't like Jim's original's production. Steinman (http://www.jimsteinman.com/sexlies.htm):
"The version I did unfortunately never got heard - he refused to release it, and I had to remix it. It was very powerful, though, some of the best guitars and loudest drums I've ever put on."
So not true.
mariella
05 Feb 2006, 23:13
Your serious?
"Body" as a song has For Crying Out Loud-dimension IMO.
And it screams for Meats voice. From the moment I heard in in NYC last January I initially thought this must have been written by Jim with Meat in mind, cause it fits just so perfectly.
Too sad that its is not going to happen...
I fully agree Michael - and even though I am not religious - I pray it will be on BatIII...
And if it is not, I hope one day someone can explain what happened!?
Love,
Mariella
Pudding
06 Feb 2006, 03:43
I fully agree Michael - and even though I am not religious - I pray it will be on BatIII...
And if it is not, I hope one day someone can explain what happened!?
Love,
Mariella
I'm sure Bart can :roll:
Pud :twisted:
JGrayland
06 Feb 2006, 19:52
From what i understand, Meat doesnt like the song. Or perhaps he feels its already someone elses song so doesn't want to compete? I dunno. I certainly feel its one of Jim's greatest ballads ever and would have loved to have seen it on Bat 3, but alas. I just hope SOMEONE does it (and well) on a studio produced version so i can listen to it without hearing glasses clinking and people talking...
I do not get it either. My thoughts about the song are at least the same as Michael describes. My heart skipped quite a few beats when I first heard it..
People say it is about money...... I really do not get that; have Meat to do it on BAT 3 and it will bring you lots of money. No offence to Rob Evan, but if he will somehow release it, how many people will buy it then?
me and you and then that's it! :mrgreen:
rockfenris2005
07 Feb 2006, 07:15
Some member had a word with Meat at one of his concerts..
They are lead to believe that Jim offered Meat the song for BAT III, but he didn't like it. Judged on Meat saying (recently) he dislikes Read 'em and Weep and I'm Gonna Love her for Both of Us (possibly my favourite Meat / Jim song), I can believe this. Steinman took back the song, gave it to Evan to sing at the OTT concert, and Meat probably feels "wait a minute. That's my property." Remember also that Meat missed out on Total Eclipse of the Heart and Making Love out of Nothing at All. I once read an interview where Meat said those songs belonged to him.
I also read another interview, from the 80s, where they are mentioned as cuts from Midnight at the Lost and Found. Wouldn't it be crazy if a demo, or something, surfaced?
But Meat, apparently, didn't like that song. Which I find really hard to believe, because I think (personally) it's the best song Jimmy's written since I'd do Anything for Love and Objects in the Rear View Mirror. And it really continues the feeling that's on Bat. It gives me this image that Bat 3's about old-age. Bat 1 was about teenagers, Bat 2 middle-age and Bat 3 will be an old guy.
This song is, whatever the case, a hundred miles ahead of "Only When I Feel" which I think, judging from Meat's interpretation from a crappy bootleg, is the worst song I have ever heard from him. Even worse than Blind Before I Stop territory
R.L.
EDIT: I take that back. Judging from Rob Evan's rendition it's BAT 1 territory. But the Meat Loaf version I heard is like a really bad demo from Welcome to the Neighborhood. However I will say: it's reminiscent of the arrangement on Original Sin
Pudding
07 Feb 2006, 20:37
Some member had a word with Meat at one of his concerts..
They are lead to believe that Jim offered Meat the song for BAT III, but he didn't like it.
'Some member' and 'lead to believe' doesn't convince me (and I doubt many others) that this event actually took place.
Pud :twisted:
JGrayland
07 Feb 2006, 21:07
i heard this too and i believe it. he/she asked meat directly about "Body" and Meat responded in expletive form. but it doesnt make clear whether meat just doesnt like the song, or was upset someone else sang it first. either way, it wont be on Bat 3, and the album is the poorer for it, because it was a true original, nothing previously from a musical or another album (remember, even on bat 2 there were only 4 "new" songs), and a great one at that.
mariella
07 Feb 2006, 22:26
i heard this too and i believe it. he/she asked meat directly about "Body" and Meat responded in expletive form. but it doesnt make clear whether meat just doesnt like the song, or was upset someone else sang it first. either way, it wont be on Bat 3, and the album is the poorer for it, because it was a true original, nothing previously from a musical or another album (remember, even on bat 2 there were only 4 "new" songs), and a great one at that.
Hi!
Can you tell why you are sure it will not be on BatIII? I am afraid it won't be - and that thought alone is not nice...but are you sure? Or is this speculating?
Love,
Mariella
JGrayland
08 Feb 2006, 03:45
Because why would Meat do a song he doesnt like? Especially since Jim isn't producing and not even writing all of the songs on the album? Perhaps if Jim was as hands on as he was for the first 2, he would be able to convince meat how great a song it is, but since thats not the case, it wouldnt make any sense for either meat or jim to have the song on there. if meat doesnt like it, jim will find someone who will, and meat will find a song he does like to take its place. everyone wins, except for the fans who have heard one of the OTT versions and (like me) would be thrilled to hear meat sing it, with a full production and, knowing jim, probably a longer version too (since the version we have heard only has one verse and a bridge).
I am afraid that until now everything about WPOMB is based on rumours. So whatever could have happened about it, is pure speculation. Nothing wrong with sharing your thoughts about it, but please:
do not take them for facts!!
The only thing that IS a fact though, is that the majority of the fans would love to have it on BAT 3 ;)
Didn't appear No Matter What on The Very Best as well as being recorded by another band...... Remember that story? Which makes me keep dreaming about WPOMB on Bat3 until I see the actual release.....
Pudding
08 Feb 2006, 09:20
There's actually NO song that we know of that for definite, that either is or isn't on Bat3(working title;) ) Even Only When I Feel, although Meat saying it's on Bat3(working title;) ) at his last shows, is rumoured NOT to be on Bat3(working title;) ) So WPOMB has a good chance as any to actually be on the album. Saying that, so has Total Eclipse Of The Heart, Holding Out For A Hero and If You Were A Woman (And I Was A Man) :shock:
Pud :twisted:
rockfenris2005
08 Feb 2006, 09:59
This is gonna sound totally random, but I wouldn't mind hearing a cover of PURE IMAGINATION from Willy Wonka LOL
Have you ehard the soundtrack from the Choclate factory? it is awesome. it is Steinmanlike.
Pudding
08 Feb 2006, 23:23
Have you ehard the soundtrack from the Choclate factory? it is awesome. it is Steinmanlike.
No offence Bart, but it's posts like this which why some of your posts can't be taken seriously :shock:
Pud :twisted:
rockfenris2005
13 Feb 2006, 08:37
from the Rockman:
BOLERO
ANGELS ARISE (partial)
SAFE SEX
OBJECTS IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR
IF IT AIN'T BROKE (BREAK IT)
MAMMA, TOMORROW WE LEARN TO DIE (Spoken)
BRAVER THAN WE ARE (New Version)
TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE HEART (performed by BONNIE TYLER)
WHAT PART OF MY BODY HURTS THE MOST?
THE FUTURE AIN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE
WE'RE STILL THE CHILDREN (WE WERE THEN)
SPEAKING IN TONGUES
LOVING YOU IS A DIRTY JOB (Bonnie & Rob)
NOT ALLOWED TO LOVE
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
PanicLord
14 Feb 2006, 13:01
Cool - what a fantastic setlist - and Bonnie Tyler too! I can't wait until the CD "soundtrack" or whatever the appropriate word is is released. There's a couple of song names I have not seen before - candidates for Bat 3 I hope!
JGrayland
15 Feb 2006, 08:16
Dream Engine was a pretty good show. Bonnie Tyler came the first night and did Total Eclipse and Loving You. Rob did a great job with some of the newer Jim songs. There was another male vocalist who wasnt very good at all though. If you are a die-hard Jim fan, there was really only one new song, called We're Still The Children, which to me sounded like a great piano album closer much like Lost Girls was (and indeed, has a certain Neverland feel to it). I hope this song is on Bat 3.
There is another performance in March, if you can, i recommend it as it's probably the only time you will ever see a lot of these songs performed live.
And hey, maybe instead of Bonnie, Meat will show and bring the place down with a Steinman "live" rarity like More Than You Deserve or perhaps For Crying Out Loud (which Rob attempted but missed a few lyrics, :()
mariella
15 Feb 2006, 23:52
Dream Engine was a pretty good show. Bonnie Tyler came the first night and did Total Eclipse and Loving You. Rob did a great job with some of the newer Jim songs. There was another male vocalist who wasnt very good at all though. If you are a die-hard Jim fan, there was really only one new song, called We're Still The Children, which to me sounded like a great piano album closer much like Lost Girls was (and indeed, has a certain Neverland feel to it). I hope this song is on Bat 3.
There is another performance in March, if you can, i recommend it as it's probably the only time you will ever see a lot of these songs performed live.
And hey, maybe instead of Bonnie, Meat will show and bring the place down with a Steinman "live" rarity like More Than You Deserve or perhaps For Crying Out Loud (which Rob attempted but missed a few lyrics, :()
Thank you for the review...must admit, am a Meat-fan, but have been waiting for a review, and it is sure putting a smile to my face, to know you all had such a ball!:D
Now, as expexted - coming from a person like myself lol, I would love to know some more, like 'was Jim Present?'...an If he was 'did any of you ask him about Bat3'...if so how did he react...
I am also very curios to know what you thought of Body at the concert, and if any of you talked to anyone 'who is in the know-position' (like Jim for example) about that song!?
Love,
Mariella
JGrayland
16 Feb 2006, 00:23
jim was there but even if i thought to, i wouldnt have asked him about bat 3. it wasnt a night for bat 3, it was a night for dream engine. i simply said hello and shook his hand and that was that. from what i understand, he wasnt very talkative to anyone.
i like the new body OK enough, it would take a lot for me to dislike that particular song. i do not like the new arrangement much. in parts it is great, but for the most part it is way too synthesized for my taste, like a bad remix. the mohegan version was much better (tho Rob has improved his vocal, and his overall stage presence, in my opinion. since then).
mariella
17 Feb 2006, 00:01
jim was there but even if i thought to, i wouldnt have asked him about bat 3. it wasnt a night for bat 3, it was a night for dream engine. i simply said hello and shook his hand and that was that. from what i understand, he wasnt very talkative to anyone.
i like the new body OK enough, it would take a lot for me to dislike that particular song. i do not like the new arrangement much. in parts it is great, but for the most part it is way too synthesized for my taste, like a bad remix. the mohegan version was much better (tho Rob has improved his vocal, and his overall stage presence, in my opinion. since then).
Thank you - I understand about not bothering Jim with questions...but you do understand I Had to ask lol
Good to know some more about Body, no matter who will eventually record the single version, think we all agree it does have huge hit-potential...glad you had such a wonderful weekend!:D
Love,
Mariella
I have a ticket for the 7PM show tomorrow, March 24th. I shall give a report here afterwards. Bonnie Tyler is listed as returning...needless to say, I was hoping it was someone else.. :angst: ;-)
I'll keep my ears open to gossip, etc.
Enjoy it! Looking forward to hearing all about it.
It was obvious from the start that these Dream Engine performances are meant to be love-ins for Jim Steinman. The crowd at this show on the 24th was noisily pro-Jim, as I imagine the 25th will be also, whether or not Jim intended that result. He sat at a table near the rear of the main table area in front of the tiny stage, and there was little question that the stroke he had affected him still, as he sat heavily and did not leave that seat for the entire performance.
Joe’s Pub is a small eating pub with a supposed capacity of 150. This number of people would have to be jammed everywhere to fit. The place was not full – I’d say about 75 or so were there. I didn’t hear any gossip or comments; it was definitely as I mentioned a love-in for Jim – and later, Bonnie Tyler. There was an announcement about no photographing, and I saw no flashes go off.
My motivation in attending the Dream Engine performance came from a couple of angles: as an intense Meat Loaf admirer who wanted to hear the works of the composer who created Bat1, and as an unbiased (try to be, anyway) listener hearing how the singers performed with my history of six years of classical voice training kicking in an analytical viewpoint (yes, I like American Idol, OK:!: ;) ).
The first song got me started quickly: ‘Is Nothing Sacred’ was performed well by Rob Evan. This is the first time I’ve heard Rob in live performance and I could see why he has been successful on Broadway. His light to medium tenor was pleasant enough. This was a tough song with which to begin the evening – vocally, it would be like Meat starting his show with FCOL:!: He did do it well, the end better than the beginning, but I definitely missed Meat’s heavier, more intensely passionate voice.
The setlist is different from the February shows (evidently). I am not familiar with any of Jim’s work outside of Bat 1, Bat 2, and the hits from Air Supply, Bonnie Tyler and Celine Dion, so please bear with me if I mess up some titles. Adrienne Warren next beautifully sang ‘Is there Anything Left to Hold Onto’ (title?); she is quite popular with the crowd, and deservedly so.
There was a short instrumental selection next, then all the soloists went into ‘If It Ain’t Broke (Break It)’, an interesting, emotional piece. Then ‘Only When I Feel’ came next. The arrangements to “Is Nothing Sacred’ and ‘Only When I Feel’ are, of course, quite different from Meat’s and it made comparisons more difficult to make. Steve Margoshes evidently did all the arrangements for these shows and they were tailor-made for the soloist involved.
Rob and Elaine Caswell next did ‘There were Times We Had It All’; it was well done, but I couldn’t help thinking how that would sound with Meat and Patti. Adrienne sailed through ‘When It Comes to Loving You’, and then a familiar band introduction started: ‘Objects’ was next. Neal Coomer did the first part, and Rob did the second part. It was very different to hear it done this way. Neal’s voice type is a lot like Russell Hitchcock’s from Air Supply; Rob’s voice is definitely heavier and without so high a top. Comparing these two different sounds and timbres to Meat’s…Meat wins but it was still interesting to hear other voices and arrangements with this song.
Rob then read a poem that was definitely anti-war, ‘Mamma, Tomorrow We Learn To Die’ and then the group did ‘We Always’ (title?), with an ending ‘Say A Prayer’. It was quite effective; looks like Jim is still philosophically in the 60’s and anti-war again.
Elaine Caswell next did Celine Dion’s hit, ‘It’s All Coming Back to Me’, and according to Caswell’s bio, she originated this song before Celine got it. Her familiarity with it was apparent. A rousing rendition of ‘Not Allowed To Love’ by Neal, Adrienne and Elaine followed, and then Bonnie Tyler was introduced.
The crowd went crazy when she came out. (Makes one wonder what would have happened if Meat had been a surprise guest!?) She looked great – long blonde hair, slim, face done well (oops, a little meow here:oops: ;) ) and she launched into ‘Total Eclipse of the Heart’ with tons of enthusiasm. The crowd moved with her. She wisely doesn’t try for the super-high notes anymore, but did amazing well on the ones she did. I expected her voice to be far worse than it was at this show.
Rob next did ‘What Part of My Body Hurts the Most’. He did it well, so I tried to listen with the recent forum debate about this song in mind: how does it suit Meat? Being an emotional, passionate ballad, it of course suits him well, but I still think FCOL is a better ‘fit’, with ‘Left in the Dark’ a close second.
I was quickly spooked-out with the band intro to the next song, ‘Two Out of Three…’. :shock: I was very surprised that this was selected without Meat, although I feel it would have been far worse to have brought out ‘Anything For Love’. The arrangement was different and quite suitable for Rob, but I was still very uncomfortable with its use.
Rob then introduced Stephen Rinkov and then Jim. The crowd really went nuts with Jim’s intro, and were on their feet yelling. He nodded but did not get up.
The show ended with ‘We’re Still The Children (We Were Then)’, a harmonic emotional song done by the entire group. This was introduced as one of Jim’s latest compositions.
I noticed a line of people waiting to see Jim at his table. I saw him talking and smiling and easily shaking hands. He is getting the praise he deserves for his great compositions.
We’re Still The Children (We Were Then)
maybe a bat 3 song?
who knows?
Thank you for the review, vrg.
I find it interesting to compare with the reviews on another board-which-shall-remain-nameless.
All in all, it sounds like a great show last night! :D
rockfenris2005
26 Mar 2006, 06:33
Here's the setlist, just to confirm:
1. Is Nothing Sacred
2. The Future Ain't What It Used To Be
3. Great Bolero's Of Fire
4. Only When I Feel
5. Loving You's A Dirty Job But Somebody's Got To Do It
6. Safe Sex
7. Objects In The Rear View Mirror May Appear Closer Than They Are
8. An American Elegy
9. It's All Coming Back To Me Now
10. Not Allowed To Love
11. Total Eclipse Of The Heart (w/ Bonnie Tyler)
12. What Part Of My Body Hurt's The Most
13. Two Out Of Three A'int Bad
14. Still The Children: A Requiem
A member at the Steinman board commented that Still The Children was, originally, intended for Meat and BAT 3. Meat, for some reason, didn't accept the song (I don't even know if THAT'S true) and Jim re-wrote as a counterpoint for a considerable number of voices.
But I'm telling you now, THAT song is the best I've ever heard come out of Steinman's music since AFL & Objects in the Rear View Mirror
It never fails to blow me away everytime I hear it
There will be 2 CD releases this year: BAT OUT OF HELL 3 and THE DREAM ENGINE. If you don't like BAT 3, get DREAM ENGINE. Likewise, reverse
I'm happy. Very happy
Is it a reaal gossip about The Chlidren. The song is great, I don't believe Meat didn't accept this song. What is the other new song: An American Elegy?
rockfenris2005
26 Mar 2006, 12:56
Tomorrow we Learn to Die + Always it's the War (the anti-war remake of Braver Than we Are)
'Some member' and 'lead to believe' doesn't convince me (and I doubt many others) that this event actually took place.
Pud :twisted:
There are others who were there that claimed the event simply did not happen as reported.
hummmmm
With all the love there ever was...
David
rockfenris2005
27 Mar 2006, 07:01
I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't either. Meat probably wanted the song then Steinman snatched it. Meat being the poor b*gger had to defend himself from looking like an idiot
I can't believe you said Elaine covered "Celine Dion's Song"
Shame on you! :evil:
Louise x
I wrote in the review that Elaine did Celine Dion's hit, not song per se, and then I noted that in Elaine's bio, she originated the song before Celine got it and made it a hit. I did not previously know about Elaine's original connection to "It's All Coming Back To Me." I had hoped that sentence in the review had made that clear. A similar situation: Dolly Parton wrote "I Will Always Love You" and had her own hit with it. Then Whitney Houston took the song for the movie Bodyguard and made a mega-hit out of it, much to Parton's delight. Houston had the mega-hit but it was still Parton's song.
Houston had the mega-hit and Parton had the mega-tit :mrgreen:
Pudding
01 Apr 2006, 06:46
Houston had the mega-hit and Parton had the mega-tit :mrgreen:
I didn't realise Dolly only had the one boob :shock: I must have a look more closely :D
Pud :twisted:
I must have a look more closely :D
Pud :twisted:
Gee, there's a chore. :|
And you can explain it away as "research". ;)
rockfenris2005
07 Apr 2006, 14:51
It's not Celine's song. It's not Elaine's song. It's Jim's song.
Just like BAT OUT OF HELL is Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman NOT Meat Loaf, Jim Steinman, Prince Charming, Cinderella, Pretty Woman, Absolutely Fabulous, Nu-Metal, Bette Midler and the rest of the irrelevent menagerie
It is celine''s song. Like AFL is Meat's song. They both own the song. They sing it like nobody else.
Pudding
08 Apr 2006, 05:01
I'm agreeing with Bart on this one:shock:
Did I Say That? :nuts:
Pud :twisted:
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