meats voice.

[stewbeef]

there is a thread happening at the moment on the rockforum when meats voice was at his best.obviosly people are saying bat1 but i disagree.i think meats voice was at its best on the meatloaf and stoney album especialy on she waits by the window.anyone beg to differ.

[TravisWRedfish]

Meat's voice peaked when he did the Melbourne DVD, he'll never top it...he was in top form!

[stewbeef]

but that was without all todays technology.

[Jackoutofhell]

Depends on what you mean. His studio vocals were at their best on Bat 1, but I didn't care for live performances around that time. My favorite live vocal period is now, especially from MSO and some of the clips I've heard from the HOTD tour.

[Paul191]

I also think his best live vocals are now because Ithink his voice seems a little more powerful and emotional. However, I kind of like his vocals on Dead Ringer.

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: I LOVED the Meat Loaf Live album recorded in 1987.

That is pretty damn hard to top 8)

[Blainey]

Bat 2, especially the opening lyrics of AFL.

[Bohemian]

I think Bad Attitude sees Meat's voice in its prime.

Having saisd that tho, I listened to Welcome to the Neighbourhood alot when I was growing up and getting into music more than any of his other albums and so his modern stuff sounds like "Meat Loaf" to me. You know, when I conjure up the sound of Meat's voice in my head it certainly isn't his high-pitched Bat performance. It's Left in the Dark, Martha and Why Isn't That Enough?

B.

[Jayd]

No, his voice was best in the 80's to me, especially live. But even today, his voice comes close to that. Bat 1 vocally too, was excellent. :D

[razorball2002]

To me it was the best during the 88 Tour. That was truely amazing, if you listen to love her for both of us or any other song sung on this tour. Very powerful, kind of like on the live 87 official cd. Then what I personnally like is his voice on the 2nd leg of the 94 tour, when his voice was damaged, but raw and fully of screamings and power. That was a tour... I care less for his voice now, although it is still Meat and still good. To those who think the vocals for anything on bat 2 is authentic and that heard the live recordings or live shows where you can actually hear his real voice, I have to say you're pretty naive maybe because you don't know of todays technology possibilities. In the studio you can pitch the voice, record bits and assemble these bits together. I am a singer myself, I would love to hear my voice pitched up to get an idea what it sounds like but I cannot afford it because it is pretty expensive :-) On anything for love he sounds like a 20 year old boy, voice 5 octave high. He was a bit older then (and he ain't younger than that now!). So don't fool yourself, this is not only meat but about any top 100 act you hear know. Wait to hear them live to know the actual voice of those artists! Even Céline Dion uses pitch on some songs!!
And to me some parts on the MSO are overdubbed, especially the beginning of Could n have said it better myself. Hear the live versions of the song taped live on tv, ain't the same.
Now, it's good to be a fan and to love Meat's work (which I do, I owe anything he ever did), but don't be naive! Any official work contains overdubs. I think on Bat 2 the less arranged vocals would be objects and lost boys. This shows the most his original voice. Which is cool by the way!

[Jackoutofhell]

I've always known that about Bat 2, and quite frankly, I think he would have been better off without it. Not that I'm complaining, those are darn fine vocals, but I always like to hear a singer's real voice. I never realized that the songs were overdubbed on MSO.

[razorball2002]

As far as I can hear, he sounds exactly like he does on the album throughout CHSIB. Not as perfect, but it's definitely the same sound, pitch, etc.

listen closely, especially the beginning! Too "clean", too "high". This is 200% studio sound. Then check the live in mexico and live party in the parck. These are non official. Sounds good... but again doesn't sound the same, as clean! Also the cryin'out loud on MSO, too clean, too high, exellent. Now I may be wrong and I know some fanatics will raise hell at me (but I take 100% responsability! I like challenges :-)). To those who were there, was it really 100% the same, didn't he miss even one or two note??? Please let me know, this would be interesting to know. There are a least a few people on this forum who were there in australia to witness the master of rock!

Again, every artists use pitch, overdubbs. pink floyd even agreed in an interview they used some for their 1994 PULSE live album, especially on gilmour's voice (some parts were re-recorded in a studio), so this is not to critisize Meat's work. Only to be aware and not naive.
Listen to I'd lie for you. Does anyone have a live version with the voice so high you would think he's a 20 year old 5 octavic voice?? This is OVER dubbed to the maximum, especially the choruses. He never sung it that way live. But in fact... I prefer the live versions! Especially the dramatic ends on the 96 tour. That was awsome!

[Bohemian]

Yeah good point people should be aware that it's pretty standard practice to overdub at least a little bit on live recordings that are to be released.

Peter Gabriel is one of the most fanatical about that, but when he's so open about it you can't really feel too robbed can you??

[razorball2002]

Yeah good point people should be aware that it's pretty standard practice to overdub at least a little bit on live recordings that are to be released.

Peter Gabriel is one of the most fanatical about that, but when he's so open about it you can't really feel too robbed can you??

sorry my english isn't that good i don't know what robbed means. but I think you have a good point there. overdubbs shouldn't be taboo and meat shouldn't be so shy about it. I remember in an interview to promotoe WTTN he said he never sung so good in his life. But his voice was so much better in 88 and in the 80s in general. What was that about?? Maybe he meant technology was never so good in 95, haha ;-) He recorded that album shortly after the bat 2 tour. The bat 2 tour was intensive, night after night 3 houres show. And excuse me, but Steinman songs, which are f*ck*** hard to sing!!! So I always wondered, how can he after so many nights in a row even have a sound coming out of his voice! Hats down to Meat! But it is simply a lie as big as the man himself to say that he never sung as good as on this album (and that's the truth!).

[razorball2002]

i have a radio show of a wembley performance of the midnight tour. no discussing here. Meat's voice was at its HIGHEST!

[Paul191]

listen closely, especially the beginning! Too "clean", too "high". This is 200% studio sound. Then check the live in mexico and live party in the parck. These are non official. Sounds good... but again doesn't sound the same, as clean! Also the cryin'out loud on MSO, too clean, too high, exellent. Now I may be wrong and I know some fanatics will raise hell at me (but I take 100% responsability! I like challenges :-)). To those who were there, was it really 100% the same, didn't he miss even one or two note??? Please let me know, this would be interesting to know. There are a least a few people on this forum who were there in australia to witness the master of rock!

Again, every artists use pitch, overdubbs. pink floyd even agreed in an interview they used some for their 1994 PULSE live album, especially on gilmour's voice (some parts were re-recorded in a studio), so this is not to critisize Meat's work. Only to be aware and not naive.
Listen to I'd lie for you. Does anyone have a live version with the voice so high you would think he's a 20 year old 5 octavic voice?? This is OVER dubbed to the maximum, especially the choruses. He never sung it that way live. But in fact... I prefer the live versions! Especially the dramatic ends on the 96 tour. That was awsome!

My dad is a Roadie and he is touring with a guy who toured with Meat all around the world last year. Beleive me, I know for a fact that his live albums were not dubbed. Every note you here Meat sing on a live recording is exactly as it sounded on the actual concert.

[simon2279]

on the mso dvd you can see that meat is not singing live! theres one point where he takes the mic from his mouth but his voice is still going?! ill find out which part its at.

[Paul191]

The artist can take the mic away from there mouth for up to half a metre and you would still be able to hear them

[simon2279]

ye but his mouth isnt moving!

[hayley]

hmmm i am rather sceptical about this as i am watching the DVD right now and havent noticed anything like that anytime i have ever watched it

[Paul191]

ah....... I'd love it for you to tell me which part it is Simon......;)

[simon2279]

ok go to the time 53:25 and watch closley it happens at 53:31!!!!

[hayley]

u cant even see him he is out of shot and im surre he could of moved his hand to his mouth in that space of time i really doubt that he is not singing live how can u say that when he is out of shot??

[simon2279]

look real close at it

[hayley]

i am

[simon2279]

sorry to make you dissapointed paul i only just noticed it the other day! pleased ive been backed up on this one lol

[simon2279]

pleased im not as blind as a bat! lol

[hayley]

This is mad he was out of shot

[simon2279]

honestly its true!!!

[Paul191]

Watch Meat's mouth just before it cuts aswell because you will notice that it is out of sequence.

[razorball2002]

on the mso dvd you can see that meat is not singing live! theres one point where he takes the mic from his mouth but his voice is still going?! ill find out which part its at.

i'm glad you noticed that. i am a singer too and i know you can take the mic away and still hear a whisper sound. but if your lips aren't moving, you shouldn't be able to hear articulated words. there are several moments on that live dvd that are overdubbed. this is not to tell that Meat was singing out of tune throughout the show, but some small parts are overdubbed, and that's a fact.

[razorball2002]

i'm glad you noticed that. i am a singer too and i know you can take the mic away and still hear a whisper sound. but if your lips aren't moving, you shouldn't be able to hear articulated words. there are several moments on that live dvd that are overdubbed. this is not to tell that Meat was singing out of tune throughout the show, but some small parts are overdubbed, and that's a fact.

ain't nothing wrong about it, every band does it. I not only notice that on meat dvds!!!!

[Ankie]

Play it nice, folks.

[razorball2002]

Play it nice, folks.

we always do it real nice... and soft ;-)

[samurai7]

The sound on the MSO DVD is mastered up to DTS 5.1 quality. There is tons of compression on the vocals, so even if Meat does take the mic away, the voice will still be heard. However, there are obviously some 'overdubs'. The show was recorded over two nights, right? They took the best bits of BOTH nights and edited them together. Say for instance, he sang the chorus of a song better on night 2, but the verse better on night 1?! Simple - mix them together, then put this 'new' audio mix on top of the filmed footage. END OF DEBATE.

Sean :cool:

[Paul191]

The sound on the MSO DVD is mastered up to DTS 5.1 quality. There is tons of compression on the vocals, so even if Meat does take the mic away, the voice will still be heard. However, there are obviously some 'overdubs'. The show was recorded over two nights, right? They took the best bits of BOTH nights and edited them together. Say for instance, he sang the chorus of a song better on night 2, but the verse better on night 1?! Simple - mix them together, then put this 'new' audio mix on top of the filmed footage.
Sean :cool:

I have to agree with you here. I was a little dissapointed when I first saw the dubbing but you have just made my day with your fantastic point!

END OF DEBATE

errrm, I don't think the debate will be over just because you say so..... if we want to carry on bedating then we can.

[allrevvedup]

Apparantly at one of the half time shows a couple of years ago someone noticed that Shania Twain's vocals sounded a bit too perfect in parts (ie like the original song) the article (think it was on msn.com) basically went on to say that they had the original track playing on the soundboard and if any note is sounding flat they push up the original lyric with the sound delay.

This may or may not be something Meat has done on the MSO dvd, who knows...I did notice it on ICHSIBM on the slow part ('then you say nothing at all, so many times etc..) when it gets to Meat's line 'Well i couldn't have said it better myself' and patti goes on with 'now you finish me off...', that meats voal sounded a bit too like the original. I think that was the only time though.

At the end of it all who cares, the man doesn't mime everything like a lot of pop artists and it was because of the effort that he was putting into the live vocal that he collapsed on stage. So i'll take 99.999999% live vocal and the rest original sound anyday.

[samurai7]

errrm, I don't think the debate will be over just because you say so..... if we want to carry on bedating then we can.

You can 'bedate' as much as you like, mate! :D :-P

[sunneke]

i don't really mind it... he took the best of 2 nights and made a fantastic dvd of it.... nothing wrong i think?

[gotham_child]

i personaly cant pick a decade song or time when Meats vocals rocked coz his singing has always done things to me that no man cud eva do! ( devil in disguise our Meaty is!)

[PanicLord]

i don't really mind it... he took the best of 2 nights and made a fantastic dvd of it.... nothing wrong i think?

Absolutely nothing wrong. I do not believe he rerecorded anything in a studio and passed it off as live - I think that they just chose the best sound and video from the 2 nights. This means that if the video was better one night and the sound better the other night, the lips may not synch with the sound.

Surely this is the whole point of having recorded it over 2 nights in the first place?