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White of High
22 Mar 2003, 19:50
Bad For Good (9)
What a great song? If Meat sing it would be 10! I know it isn't so good like BOOH but very nice. I have got only one problem. I think the last fast period in the end wasn't necessary. Jim has should finished it like BOOH.
My fav lines are next:
I'll be bad for good (God speed)
I'll be bad for good (God speed)
I'll be bad for good (God speed)
Speed us away, speed us away, speed us away, speed us away
I love Meat's live version but I miss these lines. The live is a great deal better with "Original Sin" than the original. If Meat and Jim would write onto BOOH3 with orchestra...
My score: 9
Indeed a great song, STeinman sings it okay, not a great voice but one hell of a nummer, and then ML performed the song also some times. That version is great, also the DAnce In My Pants version is great from Meat Loaf........
I will also give it a 9.
And you know "i will be bad for good!"
Yep a 9, if meat sings 10.
9/10 with Jim, 10/10 with Meat.
'i wasn't built for comfort i was built for speed'
'and you think that i'll be bad for just a little while, but i know that i'll be bad for good'.
God, what a lyrics. Wonderful! although the melody is kinda like Born to Run from Bruce Springsteen. The part 'baby we were born to run' sounds like "i know that i'll be bad for good'.
and it also sounds like Bat out of hell. "Like a booh! (i'll be gone when the morning comes') is same as : 'i know that i'll be bad for good (and for just a little while)'.
But who cares. It is great and that is all that matters. 7 for jim and 10 for meats live version.
Amazing song. Especially the Meat version. More powerfull. Meat has just the better voice.
My score: 9
Meat's version: 10
ofcourse! he has the best voice! that's why he is Meat...
DOES ANYBODY AGREE THAT MEAT SHOULD RECORD THE WHOLE 'BAD FOR GOOD' ALBUM? SEEINGS THAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE, I KNOW HE HAS RECORDED SOME OF THE SONGS ON LATER ALBUMNS BUT THE WHOLE LOT WOULD BE GREAT. ESPECIALLY BAD FOR GOOD AND DANCE IN MY PANTS!
BAD FOR GOOD - GREAT SONG!! ID GIVE JIMMY A 9 FOR IT!
how you guys can give jim a 9 and meat a 10! jim has a weak voice. do you call yourself a meatloaf fan. i just do not understand it. is there only 1 point difference between "the voice"and the "writer"? So if jim would sing Bat out of hell you give him an 9?? and meat a 10???
You can't give a higher score than 10. :lol:
than you have to give jim a lower figure just to show the difference.
Jim's voice aint that bad in the song. Of course Meat has a better voice but jim sings the song well.
The Flying Mouse
02 Apr 2003, 19:36
:twisted: I wish that Meat would put this on an album.
Jimmy is a great songwritter,but Meat has always been Jim's voice.
I feel sorry for Jim.For a guy to have so much talent and a hunger to sing,but to never have great success as an artist is a real shame.But you can't have everything.Still it's all for the best.If Jim could deliver his songs himself he may never have teamed up with Meat.
Jim's 6.5/10 Not bad.
Meat's 10/10 For good.
rockfenris2005
03 Apr 2003, 14:55
To all those who are interested:
BAD FOR GOOD's origins stem back as far as 1969,
When the "For the Good of a..." and "God Speed" sections
Were heard as: SONG OF THE DREAM ENGINE from
Jim Steinman's college musical THE DREAM ENGINE.
These same phrases appear in GIVE ME THE SIMPLE LIFE,
The opening song from MORE THAN YOU DESERVE - Another
Jim musical. The "God Speed" part was put to BEST USE as
The chorus for EDGING INTO DARKNESS - a unique aria from
Steinman's 80s musical THE CONFIDENCE MAN.
P.S.
I don't like the Meat Loaf (live)version ONE BIT!
yes, you like it. i know it. your denial is just too much.
Ok first things first, Meat wouldn't know how to sing theatrical rock if it wasn't for Jim Steinman. I'd love to hear Meat record this song but Jimmy's version will always be better because as much as all of you don't want to admit it, no one sings a Jim Steinman song like Jim Steinman. It doesn't matter if you think he has a weak voice, it's about displaying the character in the songs feelings and emotions. Just put on "Left In The Dark" by Jimmy and let his voice do the talking. Meat's live version is good until he slows it down completely at the end, he also should've kept in the "god speed" part. Anyway.
Jimmy's version I give a perfect 10/10
I have a live version of Meat with the God Speed part. That version is better by far than Jim's original.
I love this song, brilliant lyrics!
Jim's 7/10
Meat's 10/10
Ok first things first, Meat wouldn't know how to sing theatrical rock if it wasn't for Jim Steinman. I'd love to hear Meat record this song but Jimmy's version will always be better because as much as all of you don't want to admit it, no one sings a Jim Steinman song like Jim Steinman.
Jimmy's version I give a perfect 10/10
I have never heard anything ridicilous like this. Jim only sings the album cause he was forced to do it. Not because he thinks he is a great performer.
that isn't ridiculous at all. Yes Jim only sang the album because he was forced to, but he taught Meat how to sing theatrical rock, let's take this topic to Meat shall we?
Ok first things first, Meat wouldn't know how to sing theatrical rock if it wasn't for Jim Steinman. I'd love to hear Meat record this song but Jimmy's version will always be better because as much as all of you don't want to admit it, no one sings a Jim Steinman song like Jim Steinman. It doesn't matter if you think he has a weak voice, it's about displaying the character in the songs feelings and emotions. Just put on "Left In The Dark" by Jimmy and let his voice do the talking. Meat's live version is good until he slows it down completely at the end, he also should've kept in the "god speed" part. Anyway.
Jimmy's version I give a perfect 10/10
sorry..i MUST step in here..when it comes to LEFT IN THE DARK...i have BAD FOR GOOD..and have listened to the version on there...imo...jimmy's voice ...may be filled with ..shaky emotion...but it is nasally...and he has difficulty hitting some of the notes...it is..imo..nearly unlistenable...LEFT IN THE DARK..."belongs" to Meat..sorry....
now DANCE IN MY PANTS...have never heard Meat's version...however...i thoroughly enjoy jimmy doing this song...it's a fun..rockin' ..witty song...and the video is great too....
tink...XO
Left In The Dark belongs to Meat???
Ok, let's trade the Bad For Good's really great orchestra and opening monlogue that both truly display the character in the songs jealousy, for the Welcome To The Neighborhood's really sickening guitars. The way that Jimmy sings that song when he gets to "I know that you love me.." just gives me chills. Meat could've cut a great version of the song had Steinman produced it.
Left In The Dark belongs to Meat???
Ok, let's trade the Bad For Good's really great orchestra and opening monlogue that both truly display the character in the songs jealousy, for the Welcome To The Neighborhood's really sickening guitars. The way that Jimmy sings that song when he gets to "I know that you love me.." just gives me chills. Meat could've cut a great version of the song had Steinman produced it.
I prefer the arrangement/instrumentation on Jim's version, but I prefer Meat's voice.
that isn't ridiculous at all. Yes Jim only sang the album because he was forced to, but he taught Meat how to sing theatrical rock, let's take this topic to Meat shall we?
He taught Meat to sing theatrical rock?
I can't believe that. Meat did musicals before he met Jim, and I absolutely don't think Jim thaught him that. But maybe we can ask Meat about it.
It is just a silly discussion. meat is better or Jim is better. Well, Meat has inspired Jim. If Meat wasn't there, then all those songs hadn't been made at all. Bad for good is written by Jim, but he's inspired bij Meats performing. And Jim can't sing at all. The vocals on Dance in my pants, Bad for good and Left in the dark are quit terrible.
evil nickname
15 Jul 2003, 13:30
It is just a silly discussion. meat is better or Jim is better. Well, Meat has inspired Jim. If Meat wasn't there, then all those songs hadn't been made at all. Bad for good is written by Jim, but he's inspired bij Meats performing. And Jim can't sing at all. The vocals on Dance in my pants, Bad for good and Left in the dark are quit terrible.
Strange, first you say this whole discussion is silly, and then you state for a fact that Jim can't sing at all, so Meat must be better. Really strange indeed.
But if that's your opinion, great, and I would beg to disagree. I think Jim has done a great job on those songs, and I would hate to see Bad for Good on Bat III. Give me all new songs, please :-)
And besides, if Jim wasn't there, Meat wouldn't have been where he is today. Same thing goes the other way...
Meat inspired Jim's songs?????????
Actually Richard Wagner, Jerry Lee Lewis, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Doors....oh yeah and Phil Spector inspired Jim's songs. "Bat Out Of Hell" came from Jim's obession to write the most extreme car crash song of all time, as he had a childhood obsession with these types of songs. "Heaven Can Wait" and "For Crying Out Loud" were written before Jim ever met Meat. "You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth" was inspired by Phil Spector and Queen (the hand clapping at the end.) "All Revved Up" was written for Neverland and I believe Jim's attempt to try and calm "Come In The Night". "Two Out Of Three" was inspired by Elvis Presley's "I Want You, I Need You, I Love You" as Mimi Rogers I believe, asked Jim if he could write something simple and said he needed a traditional ballad on "Bat Out Of Hell" and then there's "Paradise". Well, I can't argue with you there, Meat actually dated a girl named Rene Allen and they'd park by the lake and she'd actually say "stop right there.." so this song was inspired by Meat, but it's the only one inspired by on "Bat Out Of Hell" and even then Jimmy still took it to the ultimate extreme with "praying for the end of time" and I believe it was Jimmy who suggested the baseball commentary in the middle of the song.
lol :lol:
don''t you ever take a forum to serious :lol:
i was talking bout the songs on BfG by the way, not Bat. An we all know those things you wrote cause we all have read the f...king book and bat III are all new songs cause the fat guy have said that here back in March. :lol: and back in march i have already said that meat and jim belongs to eachother and stop with this whole thing now cause it makes me puke. :wink: :D
"Bat 3" is all new songs lol. I'll bet you a million dollars right now that it isn't.
I'm still waiting to hear the voice do this one.
JS version 3/10
ML version ????
03gills
30 Mar 2004, 17:24
perhaps on meats version(if he records it) they could have a big guitar solo in-between the opening drums and when the vocals kick in, kinda like bat out of hell with that great opening guitar solo, i'll never forget the first time i heard that, i love the way the guitar goes really loud right before meats vocals kick in, it sound's really rocking, yet has a real emotional quality that i love. is that a Bad Idea :??: (for good :??: ) Sorry, no more BAD jokes(for good :!: :??: ) there i go again :!: :roll:
I liked the way Meat played it live in 1988. It was just perfect. :D
evil nickname
30 Mar 2004, 23:42
Yeah, but Michel, you do have a 1988 fetish it seems... wanna talk about it?
Cause in 88 meat was on his best, Evil Nickname! and you know it. Nobody have sung or will sing in the futere the way Meat has sung back in 88. It was just all a gift from the gods. The Lost Boys and Golden Girls Tour was the best tour he has ever done and not only the vocals but the whole set up. It was definiately Meat on his best. NO ONE HAS SUNG LIKE HIM THE WAY HE HAS SUNG IN 88!
No, I don't want to talk about it. Bart said the way I feel. :D
Awesome song by Jimmy! Absolutely astounding, I would love to hear Meat sing it!
Jim's 10\10
Meat's :? \10
I think Jims album is good. Meat wrote the last 6 or so minutes of BOOH (thats what Meat says on the Storytellers DVD). Most of the songs Meat sings which have been written by Jim have been written for Meat.
I love Bad for Good the Album.
Meat wrote the last 6 or so minutes of BOOH (thats what Meat says on the Storytellers DVD). Most of the songs Meat sings which have been written by Jim have been written for Meat.
I love Bad for Good the Album.
Firstly, you have misinterpreted Meat's sayings. He doesn't say he wrote the last six (or whatever) minutes himself. He says he made them to be written [by Jim]. And secondly, he likes to tell stories and as usual this one isn't completely true either. It's pretty much the opposite, on Classic Albums DVD Steinman tells how the others wanted him to stop and end the song and _he_ kept on going saying there's gotta be the crash.
Actually Jim's version of the story is rather wierd as well as the song was already written before the making of the album. You can find a live version of BOOH from Neverland at Smeghead's pages. It has the crash section whereas the intro is shorter.
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Ok its still a good song.
rockfenris2005
03 Apr 2004, 08:16
Meat inspired Jim's songs?????????
Actually Richard Wagner, Jerry Lee Lewis, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Doors....oh yeah and Phil Spector inspired Jim's songs.
Some other profound influences are Alfred Hitchcock and Murnau's Nosferatu.
"Bat Out Of Hell" came from Jim's obession to write the most extreme car crash song of all time, as he had a childhood obsession with these types of songs.
Bat Out of Hell was a musical extrapolation - in the style of the opening of Psycho. It could've been in Psycho.
"Heaven Can Wait" and "For Crying Out Loud" were written before Jim ever met Meat.
Yuh. They were both sung in cabarets in the early 70s. Bette Midler did it at the Ansonia, and Andre DeShields had a go as well. Heaven Can Wait was the first song ever written for BAT.
"You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth" was inspired by Phil Spector and Queen (the hand clapping at the end.) "All Revved Up" was written for Neverland and I believe Jim's attempt to try and calm "Come In The Night".
Actually, I wouldn't mind if Meat had recorded this song. It's an excellent number. I wouldn't say it was a calmed ALL REVVED UP. It's more political and determined. ALL REVVED UP has surreal atmosphere
"Two Out Of Three" was inspired by Elvis Presley's "I Want You, I Need You, I Love You" as Mimi Rogers I believe,
Mimi Kennedy. She was in Steinman's RHINEGOLD, and married to his best friend from high-school. She's now a supporting actress in DHARMA AND GREG. Lovely woman
asked Jim if he could write something simple and said he needed a traditional ballad on "Bat Out Of Hell" and then there's "Paradise". Well, I can't argue with you there, Meat actually dated a girl named Rene Allen and they'd park by the lake and she'd actually say "stop right there.." so this song was inspired by Meat, but it's the only one inspired by on "Bat Out Of Hell" and even then Jimmy still took it to the ultimate extreme with "praying for the end of time" and I believe it was Jimmy who suggested the baseball commentary in the middle of the song.
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