Ban

[White of High]

I was banned for a long-long time!
Can I ask why did you ban one of the oldest member on this site?
That's so sad!

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: As the mod involved, I very reluctantly banned you for repeatedly ignoring warnings and breaking forum rules.

You posted something, it was removed.

You posted it again.

I removed the second post and warned you that posting it again would be in breach of the forum rules.

You then went on to ignore several warnings, icluding the last, which said in no uncertain terms, that if you post that post one more time YOU WILL BE BANNED.

You posted it.

You were banned.

Welcome back to the forum, and please from now on post within the forum rules.

[White of High]

I didn't do anything just said: I think It's All Coming Back To Me Now is not as good as Celine's or Pandora's version... that had been deleted with the next quote: "to write a bad critics of this song is not permitted"

Am I right?

[White of High]

I am!
I won't deny your apology! :D

[The Flying Mouse]

I didn't do anything just said: I think It's All Coming Back To Me Now is not as good as Celine's or Pandora's version... that had been deleted with the next quote: "to write a bad critics of this song is not permitted"

Am I right?

I am!
I won't deny your apology! :D

:twisted: Apology? :shock:

I'm actually waiting to give R. a chance to respond to this thread.

I don't remember exactly what was posted, but I rememberr it was posted in an offensive way.

You were warned about that, and you again and again ignored warnings until you were banned.

I've already answered youe question, but that doesn't seem to be enough, so i'm letting R. have a go at explaining things.

[White of High]

Thanks!
My mind is pure!
I remember everything
I remember every little thing as if it happened only yesterday! :)

[R.]

Read my latest blog entry, especially the last paragraph, here (http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=9).

[White of High]

Does Meat Loaf pay this site for working or not?

1. Yes - everything is okay, he can make the rules but everybody should know this... hmmm?
2. No - it's a fansite where the fans are meeting, they are talking about Meat Loaf and his music and everything else. Meat Loaf has to learn that he can get critics. If he can't stand it...

Well... who pays this site?

Jack :)

PS.: do you understand why I was so angry and why I did attack your rules? That was the reason to had been banned?

[R.]

Does Meat Loaf pay this site for working or not?

1. Yes - everything is okay, he can make the rules but everybody should know this... hmmm?
2. No - it's a fansite where the fans are meeting, they are talking about Meat Loaf and his music and everything else. Meat Loaf has to learn that he can get critics. If he can't stand it...

Well... who pays this site?

Jack :)

PS.: do you understand why I was so angry and why I did attack your rules? That was the reason to had been banned?
No.
Yes, but as long as his name is on top of the site - no. Your approach would work if this site's name would be "Fred's chatterbox" or similar. Anyway, MLUKFC pays this site, so it's run by MLUKFC and MLUKFC decides how it's run. End of story.

[White of High]

That's nice you don't delete now my quotes... I wanted to talk about it 3 months ago but you didn't let it.

Well...
I think you have to read more about rights of internet forums. You are on bad way... I have never seen before this in other forums...

End of story...

[White of High]

Meat Loaf!
If you read it then be tolerate with critics. And send me PM if you have problems!

I like your music but I like to keep my opinions. ;)

[Pudding]

I didn't do anything just said: I think It's All Coming Back To Me Now is not as good as Celine's or Pandora's version...

Yeah, that would do it, I can see why you were banned now :lmao:

Pud :twisted:

[White of High]

And is it okay? :)

[neverlandandy]

question why ban someone for having an opinion

[djfierce]

question why ban someone for having an opinion

ok i dont think many can comment on this topic but i think if it was as simple as that then almost everybody would have been banned. There were plenty others who said IACBTM wasnt as good as the originals.

[neverlandandy]

well if its going to get me banned i think bat 3 is the worst album meat has ever done but then again thats just my personal opinion and a lot of people will disagree with me which of course they are entitled to do

[djfierce]

well if its going to get me banned i think bat 3 is the worst album meat has ever done but then again thats just my personal opinion and a lot of people will disagree with me which of course they are entitled to do

Again you're not the first to say that either

[Paul191]

question why ban someone for having an opinion

As much as a I disagree with some of the reasons people are banned from here, I totally do not get what your saying because if you read the thread properly you would see that, White Of.... whatever wasn't banned because she had an opinion but because she expressed it in an offensive way.

Simply saying "Bat 3 is crap" is not gonna get you banned.......... You will simpy get laughed at then mobbed by an angry bunch of fans...... Who, believe me, are merciless.:mad: ;)

[geordieloaf]

There is alot of people have the right to say what they want etc at the moment.
Truth is if you say you don't like something fine i will respect that but if your just out for a reaction then what's the point?

[White of High]

I have to explain the situation.

I said in a topic that IACBTM was not good, Celine's and Pandora's version is better. I said it before the album was come out. The moderator deleted my topic because he got an instruction by Meat Loaf in PM that it's not allowed to say bad critics before the album has come out. I heard this song in MP3 and they saved him with the next one: MP3 is not audio, we have to wait with our opinion till the album will be come out. They deleted my quote. I was angry and wrote it again... delete again, get a PM with Meat Loaf's words by the moderator and a threat that I will be banned. I was angrier and I opened a new topic in Site Feedback section about the next: is that normal in a fansite if the musical star says what is allowed or not. That was deleted again. I started conversation twice more and that was always deleted. I was f*** angry and I wrote that the rules were rubbish and I didn't have freedom of speech. After I was banned...

Well... my question: is that right to accept all demands of Meat Loaf in a fansite what is not payed by him???

[L96]

Mate, if you got told that many times not to post whatever, and you kept posting it, what else can the mods etc do? Obviously requests and then warnings didn't work... what would you have had the powers that be do?

With hindsight, it may have been wiser to question the rules in private, and leave your posting until it was phrased better.

To your question: it may not be ethically "right" in the interests of freedom of expression to let someone other than people who pay for this site to make the rules. However, it is a Meat Loaf site, and if we want him to come here, he needs to be kept semi-placated. The people who pay for the site obviously want Meat here, thus it is their choice to accept his demands in exchange for his precense.

[CarylB]

Well it's not paid for by you either is it? And R has explained that he takes Meat's feelings and concerns into account, and his reasons for doing this. If Meat stopped coming here there'd be no opportunity for you to keep posting that you want him to come to Budapest (despite the fact you think his voice is weak and you don't think IACBTMN is good :) )

And I know of fansites of other stars where, yes, negative comments are not expected .. and those stars don't even bother to come to the sites.

And yes, I think it's entirely reasonable that R and the moderators take into account Meat's feelings about negative posts about his work here, and make a decision as they see fit, particularly in view of the fact this is the main UK Meat site and as Meat said, how does it help the process for new fans to come here and see an album he's working his ass off to promote being trashed before it's even released?

It seems to me you were banned because you refused to accept the webmaster's decision .. ( and I seem to recall that you used far more derogatory terms than "IACBTMN isn't good") and continued to push your case in the forum when the rules clearly say you shouldn't argue with moderator dexisions in public on the board .. and as webmaster R is entitled to make decisions. Going on and on about something that's done and over seems to have little point to me .. apart from sailing close to the wind.

And you're back .. not paying for the site, and imo being given quite a significant amount of latitude in grumbling about and questioning a decision that was made some time ago .. and is history.

Just my opinion with the greatest of respect :) It's history .. time to move on.

Caryl

[mszee]

I agree...it's time to put past behind, re-read the rules of this forum, understand them and respect them...and move on with your life...

And yes...would have been better if you've asked all these questions in private...and once again...it appears to me as if you already know the answers...

Welcome back and good luck!

[Monstro]

Well it's not paid for by you either is it? And R has explained that he takes Meat's feelings and concerns into account, and his reasons for doing this. If Meat stopped coming here there'd be no opportunity for you to keep posting that you want him to come to Budapest (despite the fact you think his voice is weak and you don't think IACBTMN is good :) )

And I know of fansites of other stars where, yes, negative comments are not expected .. and those stars don't even bother to come to the sites.

And yes, I think it's entirely reasonable that R and the moderators take into account Meat's feelings about negative posts about his work here, and make a decision as they see fit, particularly in view of the fact this is the main UK Meat site and as Meat said, how does it help the process for new fans to come here and see an album he's working his ass off to promote being trashed before it's even released?

It seems to me you were banned because you refused to accept the webmaster's decision .. ( and I seem to recall that you used far more derogatory terms than "IACBTMN isn't good") and continued to push your case in the forum when the rules clearly say you shouldn't argue with moderator dexisions in public on the board .. and as webmaster R is entitled to make decisions. Going on and on about something that's done and over seems to have little point to me .. apart from sailing close to the wind.

And you're back .. not paying for the site, and imo being given quite a significant amount of latitude in grumbling about and questioning a decision that was made some time ago .. and is history.

Just my opinion with the greatest of respect :) It's history .. time to move on.

Caryl

Wonderfully put - nice one!!!!

[CarylB]

Well thank you Monstro :)

Caryl

[White of High]

Something wrong in democracy!
Sorry guys... imagine you into my situation. YOU CAN'T WRITE YOUR OPINION DOWN!!! If you write a poem and put it on an internet site before it's released and somebody says he doesn't like this poem... will you delete this qute? Or vica-versa... if you'd been deleted because of this... hmmm???
That's crazy...

[mszee]

Something wrong in democracy!
Sorry guys... imagine you into my situation. YOU CAN'T WRITE YOUR OPINION DOWN!!! If you write a poem and put it on an internet site before it's released and somebody says he doesn't like this poem... will you delete this qute? Or vica-versa... if you'd been deleted because of this... hmmm???
That's crazy...

You're from Hungary...I am from what used to be Soviet Union...

I felt the way you feel for a while once I've joined this forum. People from Eastern European block treasure freedom of speech and democracy like no one in the world.

I am now in America...freedom of speech is supposed to be my right...but you know what? Freedom of speech as we understand it doesn't even exist here...

However...you still don't want to understand the main point here...something that it took me some time to understand but I did.

1. This is a private forum - this is not free for all.

2. This forum has rules which you can see right on the front page. They are not hidden somewhere to mislead you. It does say...read first or something to that effect. If you've read these rules and didn't agree with them - which is your right, you shouldn't have signed up as a member of this forum. Thus, you would have exercised your freedom of choice.

3. Once you have decided to sign up - if there are rules - you do have to obey them. It is true for anything in life. You can't be part of the society and be free of it. You do obey rules and laws of your country. So it is not such a huge stretch of imagination that forum might have certain rules.

4. This forum is part of the Meat Loaf fan club. So, in fact, most people here, if not all, are Meat Loaf fans. What can be more rewarding to a fan than to have their idol visiting the site and actually participating in discussions? Therefore, admins and mods of this forum are MORE conscious of the content of this forum then they might have been if ML never visited it...

5. If you still don't understand this...which you were told already numerous times...don't think anybody can help...however, I think you might be getting a message that you will not be supported by many here in your quest for so-called truth...and you willl not appear to be a martyr and/or a victim.

You were given rules...you broke them...you were punished...you served your time...you were let out and accepted back into the society...how is this different from what is going on in everyday life?

The main point is...you were accepted back into the society...make the best of it...

[Monstro]

Something wrong in democracy!
Sorry guys... imagine you into my situation. YOU CAN'T WRITE YOUR OPINION DOWN!!! If you write a poem and put it on an internet site before it's released and somebody says he doesn't like this poem... will you delete this qute? Or vica-versa... if you'd been deleted because of this... hmmm???
That's crazy...

This is a privately owned site, it's not a democracy. To use the site you agree to abide by the (very few) rules.

The choice is yours and no-one elses, if you don't like the rules you don't use the site - simple.

[mszee]

And one more thing...

There is nothing wrong with democracy...there is something VERY wrong with YOUR understanding of what democracy is/supposed to be.

You're definitely confusing democracy with anarchy...

[geordieloaf]

Just let it go and get on with enjoying the site.
Life really is to short.

MSZEE - you just reminded me of one of my fav song's Anarchy in the uk, must go and listen to that now cheers.

[CarylB]

And one more thing...

There is nothing wrong with democracy...there is something VERY wrong with YOUR understanding of what democracy is/supposed to be.

You're definitely confusing democracy with anarchy...

Exactly so .. and as mszee said in her earlier post mszee:
"You were given rules...you broke them...you were punished...you served your time...you were let out and accepted back into the society...how is this different from what is going on in everyday life?

The main point is...you were accepted back into the society...make the best of it..."

And please .. give it a rest!! It was more how you expressed your view than merely the view itself. You aren't seen here as some burning martyr to the cause of "free speech".

If that's how you feel .. we can't stop you, so feel it by all means .. but please don't keep waving it like a banner in here.

If you can't get over it and move on I'm sorry .. but it's not something I want to keep hearing about. Others, including myself, will have experienced things we feel unjust .. but we move on. Life's too short to keep prodding at the scars .. and scabs which are continually picked at just won't heal. Shove a plaster on yours and as mszee says .. move on ..

Caryl

[mszee]

Just let it go and get on with enjoying the site.
Life really is to short.

MSZEE - you just reminded me of one of my fav song's Anarchy in the uk, must go and listen to that now cheers.

Enjoy!

[White of High]

Then let's go!
Try to say your negative opinion about a song... let's go!!!

[The Flying Mouse]

Then let's go!
Try to say your negative opinion about a song... let's go!!!

:twisted: Not on this thread :evil:

[djfierce]

Then let's go!
Try to say your negative opinion about a song... let's go!!!

I'm not crazy about Land of the Pigs. I've tried hard to like it but i just don't, If i'm honest i skip past it when i'm playing the album. Absolutely the ONLY song i don't care much for. I know others think its one of the best and thats fine but its not for me.

Done!! ;)
I think you and i both know i wont get banned for that :roll:

[djfierce]

:twisted: Not on this thread :evil:

Soz Neil must have been posting same time as you
But i wont change it just to prove there are ways of putting things ;)

[RadioMaster]

Actually, and I´m sure many people will yell at me now, democracy is overrated. (On the internet).
This forum IS not a democracy, that´s right, otherwise everytime when a post is edited/deleted people are banned/etc. there must have been a poll. But that didnt happen.
This forum doesnt have to decide about peoples lives, etc. so that there would be a democracy needed.
You´re just talking about freedom of speech an pluralism, that´s good and it is happening here. If your expressing your opinion IN A SUITABLE WAY, then nobody will complain. It´s the same in real life, if you go to your marketplace at 3 o clock in the morning and scream your opinion to all the sleeping people in your city and wake them up, you´ll surely get in jail.
All in all it´s just a matter of the suitable form.
right?

[allrevvedup]

If i were insulting to a person in here i would expect to be banned from the place...now maybe i'm missing something but having checked the message that white of high was sposed to be banned for,to say you prefer celine dion's version is not a bad thing for me...i think i've posted before that in my opinion it's all coming back to me now is a song more suited to a woman and that's after hearing the other two versions.

I also feel the same way about original sin, there's certain song that just work for some and not for others, but to tell me i cant think that sounds a bit crazy. Yes there are terms and conditions in order to post here but can anyone honestly say that they read every single term and condition when they sign up for things online, like email accounts etc? I think the brain would explode if that's all we did.

I admire anyone who wants to try and run a place like this, i really do because it's not easy putting up with the wide range of personalities that are on here. I just think there's banning offences like the guy on the rockman board who slagged the crap out of jim steinman, while pretending to be Desmond Child and then there's opinion.

[djfierce]

I think the average person delivers their opinion sensibly though

[allrevvedup]

you calling me average? :D

[djfierce]

you calling me average? :D

Well if i'm calling you average then you must also be sensible hmmm
Your choice :-P

[allrevvedup]

i'll just choose both

[mszee]

i'll just choose both

I am neither...:(

[djfierce]

I am neither...:(

Oh well, we'll just have to ban you then ;)

[mszee]

Oh well, we'll just have to ban you then ;)

Who - we???

:( :( :( :(

[allrevvedup]

the collective, resistance is futile!

[RadioMaster]

the borg :))

[allrevvedup]

i always thought the best way for the borg to torture capt picard would've been to rub sandpaper on his bald head...but anyway back to the topic

[LucyK!]

Then let's go!
Try to say your negative opinion about a song... let's go!!!

You're missing the point. You could have posted your opinions about the colour of your socks and you'd still have been banned. You broke rules, you were warned, you broke them again, you were banned. Deal with it.

[JanT]

i always thought the best way for the borg to torture capt picard would've been to rub sandpaper on his bald head...but anyway back to the topic

roflmao

[White of High]

Lucy!
I know why I've been banned. I know... what my problem is (what nobody understands here) the rule. No, it's not rule. It's a message by Meat Loaf and the moderator hmmm... was licking his ass? :)

I know, I played with limes, I played with the toleration of the moderators. It's not a question anymore. I am so sad for Meat sent a PM or mail to moderators that don't let to write negative opinions abot his songs before release. It was on internet, there was a video of the song on internet. Accept opinions and say Meat: No, I won't delete it, it's only an opinion. If you can tolerate that, don't put your video before release or anything else. My problem is Meat Loaf-'s quote and the moderators' reaction... I will never accept and understand. Is it clear?

[LucyK!]

I see your point, because given what you've said ( which I can't comment on because this has nothing at all to do with me ) it would seem that the thread was changed etc due to the PM being from Meat rather than another "regular" member, and if that's the case then I see why you're pi$$ed about it...but is there any need for a ranting match v's moderators on here? I fail to see why if there was still an issue about this it couldn't have been dealt with over PM/Email

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: Actually, Meat didn't contact the staff.

In fact, to my own knowledge, Meat has NEVER contacted a mod directly (or indirectly for that matter) asking for a post to be edited or deleted.

The message was deleted baised purely on the content.

You were told not to repost it, because you had includeed this in your post (i've just been looking at them in the deleted posts archives)



PS: You can delete if you want or kick me out of forum but I will leave here and copy again until we can't talk about it!



So obviously you knew you were doing something wrong to include this in your first post.

You then ignored numerous warnings to stop this behaviour, instead you made several rants about freedom of speech, going even as far as recomending that people should go read the declaration of free speech on the UN's website :wtf:



Bottom line on this.


You posted in a disrespectful way.

The post was deleted, you were told not to post it again.

You ignored the warning, you posted.

You went on to ignore more warnings (as i've said, i've looked through the archieves, and I could find FIVE threads straight away that you started that were deleted by me and another mod on this matter), until I finally said if you post it one more time, you WILL be banned.

The meassage was clear, you would be banned if you posted that message again.

You chose to ignore this last warning, and you once again posted.

You were banned.

You cannot complain that you were not given warning, or that the banning was uncalled for.

[Caelan]

Neil why don't you just lock this thread cause it seems to be useless to explain over and over again..if it is or would be any help leave it open but
there are always some people who just don't want to agree with some rules..

White of high why don't you just stop this useless discussion..
you know the rules and you know the answers and explanations

if you can't live with that just leave.

[sunneke]

i totaly agree with Caelan, the rules are clear, Mouse thinks he has to explain it AGAIN... no you don't Mouse, its repeating youre earlyer post, and it seems that White of Hight just wont agree. Can we please move on now?

[White of High]

These rules are bad rules... I think everybody knows...

Flying Mouse!
I wrote it after you've deleted 2 or 3 times my posts. wrote if you want to delete you can but I will copy again until we can't talk about it. Now we talk...

My problem is clear and I want to ask moderators, don't let themselves! What I was writing about freedom of speech in tha past that's true... I rhink... in the future... there will be some new songs by Meat Loaf or somebody else on internet and we can listen them, let writing our opinions and forget Meat Loaf's message what was the next:

"My so devoted fans, were getting adds from many radio stations and the phones and research are very good, with fans like some of you, I sure don't need enemies . If your going to be so negative , keep your opinions to yourself . If you want be negative go somewhere else to post all your BS and not here. If you can't or you think I'm wrong my name will be off this site as fast as I can get it off. People come to a fan site for the first time and all they see are fans being negative, how does that help the process . If you think I'm wrong that's fine but by this time next week this site will not be a Meat Loaf site."

Now compare: It's All Coming Back To Me Now is not as good as Celine's or Pandora's version...

[djfierce]

It seems White is just being argumentative, i'm getting really pissed just lately reading all the crap going on so i'll be as reserved as i can.
You claim it was as simple as giving an opinion on the song before it was released. That cant be true! Simply because there is a whole thread which i believe was called .... Now you've heard it review it....... which was started after the liner notes radio show.....where reviews were put on by many people (never deleted, though some negative) about the album which had not been released yet.

Nuff said...get over it
We can do without one more argumentative person here

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: OK, i've explained this very clearly, and the thread is still running.

Go back and re read my last post on this thread as it is the final word on the subject.

Before I lock this, I would like to put a reminder up in advance (call it insurance) that starting duplicate threads of topics already locked by a staff member are against the forum rules.

[AndyK]

What's done is done.

White, if you've still got issues, there's not alot that can be done about it in retrospect. In the future, let's just see what happens huh? You know the drill with regards to any "moderation" type decision made on here, as does everyone, if you don't like what's been said to you, then talk to us, preferably via PM rather than letting it turn into another public slanging match where it seems to turn into open season on the people who work so bloody hard to keep this site going for everyones enjoyment ... ;-)