Vermin Supreme. FREE PONY FOR EVERYONE!

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Will it be a red one?

:twisted: I rest my case.
No way could Mr Supreme be nuts enough to side with Roney on his civil rights arguments :mrgreen:

There are people I don't know, and people I do; people whose integrity I have complete faith in, and some I do not, based on their actions over many years. You cannot tell me what I know, and what I don't.

Perhaps for you, perhaps for others. Not for me.

We have a mutual friend who supports Romney and who is delighted Meat has endorsed him. Does that support of Romney make this person an elitist anti-gay who is against women's rights? I don't think so. Yet I have seen more evidence of Meat's support of gays and have watched him bring up two independent and confident daughters.

And I have watched Meat's actions in practice for many years. I have no doubts at all.

Caryl

Republicans have overturned gay marriage laws in the past, in California for instance, and abortion laws vary between states, largely influenced by presidential rule and again, congress. Gay marriage remains illegal in most states.

:twisted: It sounds like these laws are made and repealled and made again like a revolving door :wtf:
So even if Romney gets in, changes the laws (I still think Vermin will be one tough sell :bleh: ) then someone with a brain will turn up sooner or later and change the law again.

It seems to make Romney and his clowns (as well as everyone else) a little obsolete.

What I think it crazy is Romney is so against Obamacare. Although some of the particulars may not be right in practice but surely universal healthcare is a good thing?? :?

He has vowed to overtun the healthcare bill. At least if Obama stays in control and perhaps another Democrat president follows the law cannot really be repealed.

That's about the size of it.

Meat has said he has read the entire bill, and whilst he believes there is a need to introduce health care reforms, much of what is in this bill isn't, in his view, workable. I doubt many arguing about this on the net have actually read through it ;)

I agree universal health care is a good thing, and as sorely needed in the US as it must be difficult to introduce at this point in time. I certainly haven't studied the detail of the bill. As Kathy referred to earlier .. so much opinion is formed now on what amounts to sound bites and internet comment. The principle is obviously sound .. it's getting it right in the practice .. Finally, the devil is in the detail.

Caryl

TMZ is now reporting on ballot problems for Meat.

From what I can gain from Romney's website is he is more for state controlled healthcare. That seems more of a devolution approach rather than universal I guess.

TMZ (not always the most reliable ;) ) have obviously checked and found that Meat is not yet registered to vote in Austin, but that he had applied for an absentee ballot for California .. and they don't know the outcome of this. I guess this is similar to our postal voting arrangement? I've had this for years. If for any reason he is unable to vote I suspect it won't affect the outcome ;) If things are that close we'll be in for a terrible drawn out time .. remember the chads? :lol:

Caryl

It's actually more reliable now which is kinda scary. ;)

Yes, that's my impression .. as with so many programmes and legislation in the US. To a more limited extent it's the way we're heading of course .. eg differences in prescription charges between England and Scotland .. and the infamous postal code lottery for certain drugs.

There's such a long history of State legislation in the USA, but then it's so huge as well as having that history.

Caryl

For the record, I have in fact read the entire health bill - several times! While it isn't perfect it is the best option available at this time. I don't think it is any secret that I disagree 100% with Meat about it.
The interesting twist to the whole health care issue is that the bill that the national health care law was based on was first adopted in the state of Massachusetts. The chief architect, writer and supporter of the MA bill - Mitt Romney. Essentially he is criticizing & attempting to repeal a bill that he helped come up with and gave high praise to when he was Governor of my state of MA , trying to get HIS bill thru the State legislature. They should have called it Romney Care instead of Obama Care.
I have a perspective on it that most others don't have. I saw what an ineffective leader Mitt Romney was as Governor of MY state. I don't want the same ineffective, inept, uncaring, self-serving leadership for my country.

Oh brilliant. As I said, I haven't read it .. I don't even know how many more than 1400 pages there are? .. unlike you and Meat, and those who have read the whole thing. I'd still think that most of those debating it on the net haven't invested that time though .. Well done .. However long did it take? But hopefully you can explain it :-)

I thought Romney's main concern is that he believes States, not Washington, should drive policy on the uninsured; that he proposes to guarantee that people who are "continuously covered" for a certain period be protected against losing insurance if they get sick, leave their job and need another policy; and would expand individual tax-advantaged medical savings accounts and let savings be used for insurance premiums as well as personal medical costs. Please correct me if I've got these muddled.

So how does the national bill he wants to repeal differ from the state bill he was pushing MA? (I take it he didn't get that passed?) Just key differences .. Also the proposals he is suggesting .. were these in his MA bill or are they new ones?

Caryl

The MA bill did in fact get passed and his now law in the state. The entire health care system and the bill are complicated and can't be explained in a simple web post. As you said it is around 1400 pages.

Springsteen posted his position and reasons for endorsing Obama very clearly on his official website.

But Wario, that's the risk Meat took when he decided to go public with this endorsemant. He if does that, I'm sorry, but it's hypocritical. He had to have known some of the fanbase might not like it. What's that old saying? "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen".

It's not quite that easy, but one thing that a sitting president has the ability to do is to appoint justices to the Supreme Court (the Senate has to confirm them, but this usually happens), two of whom (I think) are due to retire soon. Naturally, the President is going to choose Justices who support his own views. This could potentially sway the court in some cases.

Hopefully Meat will see that some support his right to endorse whomever he wishes. He also knows much the same happened to African-American actress Stacey Dash when she endorsed Romney. You are going to get attacked by the liberal mob because it is not hate when they do it. I am sure he would expect that his own fans would respect his right of choice even though they disagree with him. 90% of what I have read online against Meat is from what are in my opinion radical homosexuals, Meat has never done or said anything that would indicate he is anti-gay in any way. He just chose between the only 2 options we get and Obama previous to this election was non-committal at most on the gay marriage thing. I am also betting a lot of these people saying they "were a fan" never really were.

It's good to see those posts haven't affected Meat too much. However as far as I can make out those posts on Facebook HAVE now been deleted and I disagree with the anonymous factor. On Facebook people are hardly anonymous, using their real name and sharing basic details and you can as an admin of band pages quite easily find out who is saying nasty things. The internet including Facebook works two ways in my opinion; you can use it as a social media marketing tool but it can also be used by everyone to comment on you. Should those people have respect when posting? Probably but it's hardly surprising some won't. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen I guess. And in the case of the election perhaps the best thing to do next time is to simply keep your voting choice confined to the voting booth?

Good to see the concert was good and Meat was singing fine after a rest.

For accuracy, they have not been deleted. Some of the more sexually graphic ones will probably have been removed by Facebook because they have been reported.

However, please let's not derail the thread. It was great that Meat gave such a fantastic show again, and Kathy's review is lovely to read. Thank you again Kathy :-)

Caryl

Imo that's where the smart money's placed. There are sites actively encouraging this behaviour

Caryl

This thread was derailed by Kathy's opening statements in my opinion.
The Romney related posts on some of the articles on his FB page have most certainly been deleted.

Where have they gone then?

How do you know this for sure? Do you have some statistics to back this up? You only have to look at the reactions of some of the hard core fans here to see that some people ARE disappointed. A lesser hard core fan may indeed throw the records out or not play or buy them anymore or not go to his gigs anymore. I certainly think that this is a possibility because of this association. If Romney wins I think that that is even more likely than if he loses.