I need retraining on how to use a fax machine

Stick a paper face down, dial the number and press start...

Whilst at least by the 6th attempt, when resisting urge to throw it through the nearest window, ensure nobody is on the extension and you're doing your very best to cut off a very important telephone call!!!!!!

I feel very confused now

Do you mean to say that fax machine is hooked up to somebody's line??? Ouch...

LOL RJ :D;):cool::lol::-P

I wasn't generalising the whole british fan community RJ, i did say there are a very few, which i'm sorry to be honest but there are, i dont know everyone's nationality well enough to state whether they are british or not but like Deb said no one's feeling need to get hurt so i will also refrain from being more specific. I hope you understand this post a little better ;)

Didnt say you were Anji, was just stating my opinion on that matter ;)

Well I decided to try that ignore button out again and I have to say it works a treat :up: Should have done this months ago :-P

I have a goofy question...

If you ignore somebody and they send you PM...what happens?

so you decided to ignore me after all.....shame

:twisted: Right, now i've tried to rest on this, and will try and address the matters raised on this thread last night.
I will ATTEMPT to do it in a logical and practical way, although that is not easy at the moment as I am still very bitter at what has happened here.


Really?
Because from all the niggly little comments i've seen recently on the forum, it's all about the post count.

And what content anyway?
You said about massages?
Jesus tapdancing christ, talk about out of context here.
One or two stupid flirty remarks in how many dumb posts of person above me, one word story thread, bat & belfry.
I have seen MUCH more flirting here over the years than what I and Jo have posted, so please don't pretend that that is even an issue.
Unless it's an issue that only applies to me and Jo.



Constant posts about our private lives?
WHERE?
I'm just not seeing it.
How is The Person Above Me or The One Word Story Thread (both standard and alternative versions) a keen insight into the personal life of me and Jo?






What for god's sake?
That "The person above me makes a nice Sunday dinner"?



Maturity?
From what i've read on this thread, a good few people have been bitching about me, Jo, and Barbara via PM in a way and volume that beggars belief.
How the hell does that represent grown up and mature behavior?

NOBODY who has a problem with us has had the maturity or the nerve to try to talk to Jo Barbara or myself through PM about how they feel.
Nobody has thought it would be the right thing to do to contact another staff member, who could then contact one of us and explain that there is a problem.
Sorry, but THAT is immature, silly, catty, small minded and spiteful.
To slag people off behind their backs without them even knowing, or without a chance to answer for themselves is disgraceful.

Christ, what next?
A Yahoo group?




Don't think I haven't noticed thm.
And when i've responded to those quips and hints what has happened?
Either silence or pretend you're talking about something else.
Christ, how many little "quips" have I taken over a certain green jacket?
It'll still crop up now and then even though it's nearly one and a half years since RAH.
Are we supposed to be telepathic about what hints and quips are to be taken seriously and which are friendly leg pulling ones?
If there ARE and friendly leg pulling ones that is.




Again, the same points and the same response?
What are the big personal issues here?
Oh sorry, "Any chance of a cuddle to go with that pint? :mrgreen: " posted in the bat & belfry is of such an intimate nature it sends everyone into a immediate bout of high embarrassment?
Come on for gods sake?




"A lot of people"?
I mean, this is PRICELESS.
Just how many people are involved in this little behind the scenes community?




Again, what is so revealing about our private lives in posts like the person above me?
What? "The person above is missed very much"?
It's hardly Watergate material here folks.

I hate to admit it, but not the vast majority of what I post is vastly profound idealogical theory or enlightenment that would have Einstein scratching his head in wonderment.
Most of what I post in off topic is CRAP.
It is the stuff this area and threads were built for.
Slapped or saved is never going to enable anyone to make a thorough phycological profile of me Jo or Barb, and the CIA will never be able to accurately predict our movements by reading whoever posts penultimate wins.

I'm just not seeing the vastly personal content here.



Now this brings me nicely to the big "in joke" comments i've read.
Yes, we take the piss out of Steve on the forum.
This is not a very complex highly secret in joke that keeps everybody puzzled (and might I say i've seen a few of THOSE posted on the forums).
OK, here's the gag for those who never got onto it - now and again we post a random insult about him, or a remark about how to kill the fat ~~~~~~.
That's how simple that in JOKE is.

This is not the kind of in joke that is going to puzzle great minds is it?
Mentioning things said in PM's or on the phone, now THAT'S an in joke that excludes everybody else, and not the kind i'd post myself on a public forum.


Thanks Anji, I knew I liked you for some reason :wink:




See above.
How out can an in joke be and still be an in joke?
And if you'd care to read those rules.......................



There is not much conversation in the one word story thread.
Conversations between myself and Jo are kept to PM, the things we post on the forum are in line with the thread in question (one word story, whoever posts last etc)




AGAIN, how much personal conversation is going on in the person above me thread?
FFS.
Me and Jo post on threads, and when other people post on those threads we post with them.
How do you break up a personal conversation that consists of one word posts?



Now this would be very much appreciated, if we were actually having a conversation.
How can anybody but out of a conversation that doesn't exist?
Joanne asking for a vodka and red bull is NOT a highly personal tender moment.
How can anybody be put off posting in the person above me (alternative version) be put off posting because the last two posters are engaged to each other?



Joanne, Barbara, or myself have NEVER excluded anyone from threads.
We will post to each other while nobody is posting, and then when somebody else joins on we post right along with them.
Again, these are not serious threads dealing with serious things, they are stupid, time wasting, and fun.



Correct, and it has never stopped people reporting posts or certain kinds of behaviour on the forum to the staff if there has been a problem.
Yet in this case people have been happy to bitch behind our backs and make snide comments that they deny when asked in the slightest to elaborate on what they have said.


I am personally DISGUSTED by what has happened on this forum.
By the level of hostility, it's volume, and the spiteful way in which has manifested.


Later on in the thread Deb mentioned that Barb, Jo and myself would not be the only ones with hurt feelings.
Hurt feelings?
I was the one who was on the phone to a very upset Joanne last night, and it makes my blood boil that people I thought were our FRIENDS have caused upset like this because they don't like us posting as much.


To actually communicate behind our backs about something more than one person has indulged in in the past, with such poison, and then to accuse us of freezing everybody else out............


It is beyond the pail.


I am so angry about what has happened here, and sad, and worst of all, DISAPPOINTED.


I know that Jo doesn't feel comfortable posting here anymore, and quite frankly, neither do I.

Thats what I was wondering Zina (Yah it's not you lol) Also what happens if they post in sb?


and I can still see you RJ (until you start with the lyrics again anyway ;))

Neil, you've referred me to threads such as Person Above/Below Me, the Pub thread...they're threads I don't even read, to be honest anything from me was based on this thread because I have no interest in the others and never have, so I can't comment on their content regarding Sunday dinners, one word posts or anything else.

In regards the content v post count thing, I don't think anyone's bothered about how much a person posts, but as Zina said it's about the peresonal posts and content between three people. Whether it's intentional or not I don't know if you realise how much stuff here is personal, I'm sorry Neil but I can't think of anyone here that wants to read about you and the others wanting to kill your father in law/husband/father...call me old fashioned but whether it's true or not they are private feelings that I don't think are appropriate for a public forum.

In regards people talking behind your back, I think you need to know right now that none of the conversations I've heard (and that does not necessarily mean been a part of) are not nasty or bitter, they're people who have felt excluded like they couldn't post anymore, disappointment and sadness that there are lots of people who don't post anymore, and no-one dared speak up. And look what happens when someone does. I'm actually disappointed that as soon as someone does bring it up the vast majority go quiet...

In my original post Neil I quoted the OT rules that you originally posted and I can't help but feel that those rules would have been pointed out by yourself to anyone else

Another point, I know this was mentioned to forum staff, long before yesterday.

Yeah, well...enough probably said...but I would like to speak for myself now...

1. Was it not I who tried to post in between your guys posts and my post got lost in a shuffle. I appreciate, Neil, that you have apologized when I've asked why I was ignored. And I do sincerely believe that you meant it. And I also believe that a post from Jo is 1000 times more important to you than a post from me and it was honest mistake...and yet...the fact is...when you, guys, post to each other...you do have eyes only for each other (and that's how it should be but in real life)...after that try...I didn't see a point to join in the "fun" anymore...

2. Was it not me who got an angry PM after I constantly posted in the thread Avatar above me with a request that I should stop and let other people post for a change? And that was ONE thread...

3. I have to admit...I used to be THE BIGGEST postwhore of this forum...and was it not I who was moderated as a result on almost every thread in off topic by everybody but Diane, Dave and SueW (I don't really count the last 2). In fact...was it not me that got moderated in the thread of Word Association, for God's sake...and that was MY association? And if I want to associate knife with watermelon, this is how my mind works...

4. Yes, I am pretty sure PM's flew...but I consider this legit...people do have to establish that they are not minority before addressing something.

5. Jonty, Carl and RJ? I pretty much remember EVERYBODY moderated them whoever wasn't lazy right in open threads...so they pretty much paid their dues too...

Alright...rant over...but I just had to make my point...

Joanne shed tears? You think she is the only one?

Yahoo!!! I am not on ignore list!!!

I have a lot to respond to this post of yours Neil. But until I manage to work out how to copy and paste the relevant bits I just want to say I AM NOT one of those that have been talking about you behind closed doors or any other way for that matter. My comments yesterday were based on yesterday and nothing else. I do't want any of you 3 thinking that because of the things I said then that this has anything to do with me as it truly doesn't. The 3 of your posts to each other don't offend me. They may not always interest me but I can ignore them. And more often than not I just laugh at it and have in the past commented on what a postwhore Barbs became. My comment yesterday about are you all in the same house while posting was as I said then just a joke.

I don't know expression beyond the pail? Beyond the bucket? What does it mean? We don't have that expression here...sorry...:oops:

I can only pass comment on conversations that have either involved me or that other people have told me about (in which case it was all second hand info anyway!) but I have no idea where this assumption of poison and being spiteful has come from. People have commented generally that the place isn't the same because lots of other members don't post anymore, but I can't see the evil in that? To be quite honest I'd like to think that the vast majority have more to care and worry about in real life the with 3D people! :lol:

Neil, I do respect you as a friend, and it is very important that you see that none of the comments made in this thread yesterday was meant as a personal attack to you, Jo or Barb.

I dont really want to go into this any further, as their are people here, who have english as there mother language, who can say what I would want to say, in a better way, without the risk of being misunderstood.

Again Neil, nothing here was a personal attack to any of you. It IS true, a lot of people are annoyed by the posts of you three, but its just a problem with the posts, not you.

"Nobody has thought it would be the right thing to do to contact another staff member, who could then contact one of us and explain that there is a problem."

I'm sorry Neil, but that is not true.

What does this mean???

Aaaah .... the silence.
I have posted my thoughts below. Please note that I have replied to quoted post in a whole, not to just a bit of it ...

Yes. Think about it, a different, not ignored person, could have posted before the ignored one.

You see, that's the kind of attitude that really pisses me off. How do you know that it's useless? Give it a try, then decide.

Then, surely you don't need to look at these threads, because you already know them.

Haven't checked the "Liverpool" thread, so I cannot comment on that. These areas, the shoutbox and the offtopic forum are supposed to bring life to site when there's nothing else to post about. Of course, this includes a lot of crap posts and threads. Hell, just look at most of the threads I have started.

Great post, especially the conclusion.

:bleh:

Danke. :))

See? ;)

True. I received one complaint, asked for examples and as these were all off topic stuff, I decided to let it go on.

Well, I sometimes had the impression that you were/are a spambot. :)) And very true, I probably have told you more than once to shut up for a minute. What I don't understand about that post above, why is it that you had to add the tears bit after you made your point?

Anyway, coming back to the getting moderated point from Zina's post. Imagine, you are with a group of people having a conversation. And while you are there, this conversation is dominated by a few people. What do you do, if you can't bring your point across, because these few guys don't stop blathering? Exactly, you tell them to shut up for a second - politely. And most likely, this works. Now, switch back to these forums - what does happen here when people don't stop blathering? Yeah, most likely, those people who just can't deal with the blathering, exchange a gazillion PMs on how to stop that nonsense and finally come to the conclusion to tell them to shut up for a minute. But wait, what if the blatherer is a mod? Yeah, well ... post a few hints, then complain with the admins and let them deal with it (or not, because in my case I didn't see a reason). So that's where we are now.

Now, here's my question to: Why? Does any of you really think that any mod, or more precisely Neil would go berserk if someone would ask him in a polite way to take the spamming a step back? And even if he goes berserk and starts a banning spree, do you really think this would happen unnoticed? It doesn't, that's one reason why we're using that infamous infraction system. The only person on this site who would probably get away with it would be me, but that's something you'll have to live with. I expect you to answer my question above to yourself.

So, there you have it. I'm switching back to idle mode now, because I'm a big fan of doing nothing. :bleh:

Thank you for opening the thread again R.

Just to add that the bit you quoted me on was about the summer meet up thread, which was referring to a meet up in Liverpool.

My nameless friend who knows who you're...I wish now we've made a bet...

R., in reply, let me post this to clarify something:

You've met me...do I look like a spambot? Is my recent activity here qualifies me even for a postwhore?

Yes, I got moderated a lot and most (but definitely not all) of the time I deserved it and I would expect that everybody else would be treated the same. I did learn a few points from moderation, didn't I?

American forums which I was at prior to coming here didn't have moderators...so to me it was new...hence tears and tears and tears and tears...until I got a grip and calmed down...no biggie at the end of the day...

Hope it explains tears (and tears and tears and tears and tears)