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CarylB 07 Nov 2012 22:51
I think it shows he's a decent human being

Sarge 07 Nov 2012 22:54
Is there more than one Meat Loaf? That is totally contrary to what he said just a few days ago. I need a drink...

robgomm 07 Nov 2012 23:00
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Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 580609)
Is there more than one Meat Loaf? That is totally contrary to what he said just a few days ago. I need a drink...
Not really, he admits he lashes out in the heat of the moment when he is attacked with lies and intolerance. We know this already so yes it's the same person.

The Flying Mouse 07 Nov 2012 23:01
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Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 580609)
Is there more than one Meat Loaf? That is totally contrary to what he said just a few days ago. I need a drink...
:twisted: It sounds to me like a guy who's blown a gasket, realized he's over reacted, and feels sorry for his actions.

Over reaction and remorse for it is not something that is exclusive to the rich and famous. :wink:



He's only human :mrgreen: :lol:


I think a post like that posted here would go a long way to healing the wounds here, but personally I know how he's feeling, and I don't need to hear him say it.

If he chooses to say it here, it would be appreciated.

It's not always easy to apologise because you f*cked up, that's why it sometimes means so much.

LucyK! 07 Nov 2012 23:34
At the end of the day, he f*cked up, simple as that.

He felt rattled and blew his top, some people are great at holding their tongues, others not and clearly he's not. Does that make what he said excusable or any more pleasant to read? Absolutely not, it's actually quite offensive, but who here hasn't ever gone mental and come out with stuff they regret?!

The guy f*cked up. Move on.

Adje 07 Nov 2012 23:39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 580609)
Is there more than one Meat Loaf? That is totally contrary to what he said just a few days ago. I need a drink...
At least it's a sane post. Nothing like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Ball (Post 579855)
Obama is spineless. If obama is elected by 2016 the world will be ,shoot first and ask questions later.
So I just hope he came to his senses. At least his facebook message deserves credit. Nothing like that nutcase of a Trump.

In the end it takes a man to accept defeat. Romney did it graciously and I think Meat Loaf did the right thing too. He understands that now the contest is over there is no use at demonishing the President. No matter who you voted for, after election day you all need to work together to get something done.

Fair enough, Meat worded that well :cool:

ricgough 07 Nov 2012 23:40
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Originally Posted by robgomm (Post 580612)
Not really, he admits he lashes out in the heat of the moment when he is attacked with lies and intolerance. We know this already so yes it's the same person.
I'd contest that he found "lies and intolerance" here, but I guess "Truth resides in every human Heart , and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has the right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth". The problems start when you afford others the right to live by that mandate even when it doesn't sit easily with your own interpretation of truth.

"Truth" is subjective - I am a scientist and all of science comes down to subjective interpretation until peer-review (or just plain consequence, i.e aeroplanes flying, or atoms splitting) leads to to a general acceptance of facts.

More talking and less shouting is never a bad thing when conflicts between individual truths occur.

Love Ya Meat.

Rich.

Wario 08 Nov 2012 00:32
where did meat say Obama was spineless? :|

melon 08 Nov 2012 01:34
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Originally Posted by Wario (Post 580632)
where did meat say Obama was spineless? :|
In here somewhere

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Kathy 08 Nov 2012 01:35
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Originally Posted by Paul Richardson (Post 580440)
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Why, does no one but Eric Vetro have ears ? I could equally say your (no doubt) positive opinion of Meat's voice is invalid because you're not professionally qualified.
You didn't read carefully. I was differentiating between discussion of how Meat uses his voice and discussion of his voice itself. Some have confused the two, and made statements about Meat's voice based on his singing on a given occasion, e.g. the last moment of "America the Beautiful" in Defiance.

We all have ears to hear him sing, but only Meat himself and Eric Vetro (and any other professionals he may employ to help him care for and develop his voice) are qualified to criticise that voice.

This is not a trivial distinction. And for the purposes of this board, the fewer sweeping generalizations made the fewer heated arguments we'll have.
　

ricgough 08 Nov 2012 01:53
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Originally Posted by Kathy (Post 580640)
You didn't read carefully. I was differentiating between discussion of how Meat uses his voice and discussion of his voice itself. Some have confused the two, and made statements about Meat's voice based on his singing on a given occasion, e.g. the last moment of "America the Beautiful" in Defiance.

We all have ears to hear him sing, but only Meat himself and Eric Vetro (and any other professionals he may employ to help him care for and develop his voice) are qualified to criticise that voice.

This is not a trivial distinction. And for the purposes of this board, the fewer sweeping generalizations made the fewer heated arguments we'll have.
　
Sorry, anyone with an appreciation of music is qualfied to criticise.

The question for me is the degree of relevance of those criticisms. Objectivity is significant - Vetro by his being on the payroll is not necessarily objective - he is just employed to get the most out of the current voice.

He isn't doing a bad job either, but completely objectively?

Nah, sorry. Meat gives everything. It's good enough for me, but is my opinion objective? no.

There have been times in Meat's career that even negatively bised critics have had to conceede that performances were objectively outstanding. You don't share a stage with Pavarrotti otherwise.

Meat has vocal ability capable of being the best objectively. More recently "outstanding" has been a more subjective appraisal based on effort, cultural significance, and fandom - not that that isn't something to be immensely proud of.

Evil Ernie 08 Nov 2012 03:52
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Originally Posted by Wario (Post 580632)
where did meat say Obama was spineless? :|
Uh, first post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Ball (Post 579855)
97% of you can go to hell , don't buy my CD, don't buy tickets ... stay away from me .
You come to a meet and greet I will have you removed from the room and the building with your money back !!

Adje , how dare you assume I agree with him 100% one of My best friend is Eric Vetro he is gay , I am going to be his best man.
I believe He has the right idea for HC ( state Level) where it works in Mass. , standing up to China ... Did you know Putin fired 4 cruse missiles that could carry war heads. 3 days before the last debate . Obama is spineless and I voted for him in 08. Missed 109 Security meetings but got in 109 rounds of Golf. I want to be president so I can have so much time off. I voted for Gay marriage, Marched in Gay rights march's in NYC and in LA , Support Glad. If obama is elected by 2016 the world will be ,shoot first and ask questions later. They laughed at me when I said Putin was our major problem. He ships weapons to 4 countries who in turn ship them out again. I have been a an Lib independent forever. Go stuff it !!

97% of you stay at least 100 ft away from me , I don't want your support !!

kkzag 08 Nov 2012 06:48
"Where lies can't hurt me
The flesh desert me
No in or out
No loss or doubt
No living with or doing without
Where money ain't the power king
And kindness is the most precious thing"



Just Sayin'

:/

Paul Richardson 08 Nov 2012 07:42
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kathy (Post 580640)
We all have ears to hear him sing, but only Meat himself and Eric Vetro (and any other professionals he may employ to help him care for and develop his voice) are qualified to criticise that voice.
So we're getting into semantics here ... and assuming that the performance and the voice are separate things, where one is qualified to criticise the performance but not the voice, if I understand you correctly ?

The two are inextricably linked surely, and its difficult to say if the performances are consistently good or bad, this doesn't reflect the condition of the voice. This is hardly a 'sweeping generalisation'.

TheDoode 08 Nov 2012 09:49
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Originally Posted by Kathy (Post 580640)
We all have ears to hear him sing, but only Meat himself and Eric Vetro (and any other professionals he may employ to help him care for and develop his voice) are qualified to criticise that voice.
Seriously? :roll: Please, speak for yourself and not the rest of the people here. There's so much to address in that one short paragraph that I don't even know where to start. In fact, I don't even think I want to. :evil:

anotherday 08 Nov 2012 16:19
How did this go from MEATS political VIEW to his VOICE?

Vickip 08 Nov 2012 16:29
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Originally Posted by anotherday (Post 580690)
How did this go from MEATS political VIEW to his VOICE?
Read Meat's posts along with the rest of this thread, and hopefully that will help you understand.

anotherday 08 Nov 2012 18:23
Excuse me, I have read the WHOLE thread. But wasn't this SAME topic discussed days ago in another thread about Meat endorsing Mitt? SORRY but it seems to be going in circles...

The Flying Mouse 08 Nov 2012 18:51
Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherday (Post 580690)
How did this go from MEATS political VIEW to his VOICE?
:twisted: Like this..............

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Ball (Post 579885)
Not talking about Romney , I read the thread about my voice... It was so mean and hurtful that at that point,I knew their were no real fans on this site !
:wink:

Meat Redfish 08 Nov 2012 19:01
Meat why dont people respect your choices? i dont understand? been a fan of yours from the 80s and always will music and acting is what i like! i dont like it when people bring in personal things! #respect hope your well meat loaf :) ... one of the REAL fans!

Evil Ernie 08 Nov 2012 21:57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kathy (Post 580640)
We all have ears to hear him sing, but only Meat himself and Eric Vetro (and any other professionals he may employ to help him care for and develop his voice) are qualified to criticise that voice.

This is not a trivial distinction. And for the purposes of this board, the fewer sweeping generalizations made the fewer heated arguments we'll have.
Sorry, but I (or anybody else) have the right to critique anybody that I (they) like. If the person of topic chooses to get offended than that is there choice and their problem.

And heated arguments are fun. It's the same reason why political debates are fun. There's no point to having a message board where everybody agrees all the time.

AndrewG 08 Nov 2012 22:05
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kathy (Post 580640)
You didn't read carefully. I was differentiating between discussion of how Meat uses his voice and discussion of his voice itself. Some have confused the two, and made statements about Meat's voice based on his singing on a given occasion, e.g. the last moment of "America the Beautiful" in Defiance.

We all have ears to hear him sing, but only Meat himself and Eric Vetro (and any other professionals he may employ to help him care for and develop his voice) are qualified to criticise that voice.

This is not a trivial distinction. And for the purposes of this board, the fewer sweeping generalizations made the fewer heated arguments we'll have.
　
If Meat sings that bad as he did at the endorsement to the extent it is embarrasing for himself and for me as a fan then you can bet your bottom dollar I will be honest and tell people his voice sucked. Call me Eric Vetro if you have to. ;-)

If I would say he was amazing it would completely undermine the times I said he was amazing when it actually was. There would be no point in honest opinion and you might as well turn this into a kiss ass adoration board as someone suggested.

Paul Richardson 08 Nov 2012 22:23
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Originally Posted by AndrewG (Post 580711)
... you might as well turn this into a kiss ass adoration board as someone suggested ...
I think there's a large number of people here who would like that very much :roll:

KayBaby 08 Nov 2012 23:22
I'm appalled at all of this.

I've never seen anyone treat their fans this way. If this was a test to flush out the "enemies," I'm not playing. You can't take back words. I'm very disappointed.

I've got better things to do.

CarylB 09 Nov 2012 00:42
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucyK! (Post 580623)
He felt rattled and blew his top, some people are great at holding their tongues, others not and clearly he's not. Does that make what he said excusable or any more pleasant to read? Absolutely not, it's actually quite offensive, but who here hasn't ever gone mental and come out with stuff they regret?!

Move on.
I agree. It's time.


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