I can't watch that clip on my computer, could someone please put it on youtube so I can watch it?

Carole

That's how I see it too - Meat just being a great sport as usual!

I didn't post it on YouTube, but you can download it here Carole :

Video

Some people seem to think that any kind of appearance = good promo... If it was that easy, marketing wouldn't be such a difficult job. The question is: Did the average RAW viewer recognize Meat Loaf as a rock singer who has a pretty good album out or just as someone playing a silly part in a wrestling show? What the audience got to hear from the album was Meat screaming a few words into the microphone. He could have as well played a cooler, less annoying character - I believe that could have been better promo than him gabbling rather incoherently about the CD.

The average RAW viewer took this as a recognizable celebrity who was about to get RKO'd NO MATTER what the guy said. Meat was there to get an insert in about the album and get RKO'd. If Meat would have sang Randy's entrance music he has now, he would have still gotten RKO'd. Randy is on the verge of becoming a babyface, and the fans want to see anything that moves get RKO'd. It doesn't matter. That's what the average RAW viewer is going to see.

It was a FUN gig. When we are entrapped in all seriousness about wanting HCTB to do well, this was a FUN stunt.

Having said that, if you watched the whole show through, the announcers Michael Cole and the King promo'd the album VERY tastefully. Giving Meat his image back. And believe me the fans of the WWE listen to what the announcers say just as if there is action in the ring. There were two plugs that were stellar.

In terms, Meat was playing the villain here. So what does an RKO mean....the boys in the back = instant respect.....fans = instant respect. You take a bump, you get the cred.


Suzieq

I'll agree that WWE could have created a better spot for Meat Loaf, but he did his best with what he had to work with. I'm sure I was not the only person watching RAW that night who was talking about Meat Loaf's appearance the next day. Somewhere out there someone saw RAW and said, wait Meat Loaf has a new album out? Just getting his name out there and getting talked about is a positive. Is the Rolling Stone advertisement better than the RAW appearance? I think not. Meat's appearance on RAW has the same power with the wrestling audience as a nod from Oprah has with her audience.

when i read the title of this thread I got excited and thought he sang RAW on WWE :(

With due respect, don't judge a thread by it's title. Title said WWE Raw 05/10/10 ~ not sure how you interpreted the singing part into it....and it's under Loaf!Camera!Action! ~ tells me TV appearance.

I was joking .... if you notice i replied in this thread before :cool:

and RAW stood for Readem and Weep

My bad. Sorry. :oops:

Let's assume I wasn't a fan. Would that skit have made me buy the album? NO! But I think I've become a Randy Orton fan. :twisted:

Thanks Vicki, it was great to finally Meat's behind the scene comments.

Carole

It may have caused you to take a look at Meat's album or pick it up if you saw it in the store. Maybe even look for it if you happen to be in the record store. And if you're a Randy Orton fan, you may see his interaction with Meat as a nod for the album. Most wrestling fans know it's all scripted and understand why the guests are there, to promote something. It has to be somewhat effective or people wouldn't want to do it.

And lastly...are you a fan?

:lurk:

NO! :p

That's what I thought...:devil:

Well, if I had seen the rocker Meat Loaf instead of some bloke getting on Orton's nerves... ;)

P.S.: Meat performed songs at boxing matches in Germany in the past. Yes, he appeared as a singer and he didn't have to get himself knocked down then. :cool:

Meat did do his best with what he was offered but what he was offered wasn't very good in my opinion. There's nothing Sarge has said that I disagree with.

I'm not a wrestling fan, in fact I can't stand it so I only watched the bit with Meat. To be honest I had no idea what RKO meant so I was a bit surprised to see Meat get thrown.

I know some people disapproved of Meat doing it but if he enjoyed doing it, then why shouldn't he? Yes there was the risk of him getting hurt but I doubt they'd have allowed him to do it if he hadn't had sufficient practice in how to fall correctly and everything.

The way I look at it, it's getting more promotion for the album and the more people that are aware of it, the better chance it has of selling.

As an entertainment it doesn't really float my boat either ;) .. but I expected Meat would get thrown :lol: .. and from what he said afterwards, it was, as one might expect, something he'd revel in, and would have approached with his trademark professionalism; and he was probably more likely to get hurt tripping on a stair at home, like most of us ;)

As you say .. he enoyed it and had fun. He also reached an audience of millions, not only with his actual appearance, but through the additional commentaries during the programme.

Like you, for me there's no "coulda" no "shoulda" .. Just why not? He chooses, and imo knows a bit more about what he's doing than the peanut gallery ;)

Caryl

It wasn't an ideal bit of promo but with the choice between that or nothing, it's better than nothing.

Boxing is not scripted...wrestling is. Not many guests come onto a wrestling show and don't get involved in a storyline. I would not expect Meat to go to a UFC event and jump in the ring with Anderson Silva.

I couldn't agree more.:twisted:

I'm actually with Sarge on this one; it would be cool to see Meat full of conviction and coolness in the promo spots, and if the situation isn't right for a live performance, why not run a HCTB TV spot at the end/halfway through/whatever - some great rockin' clips over the album artwork (like the end of Wario's vid) - in the same way you'd cut to a trailer or scene from a movie if you were interviewing an actor?

My 2 cents.

Doode. :cool:

P.S. Or... if you want to go the comedy route, get Jack Black to do several promo spots on TV shows with Meat. At least that way people who aren't familiar with the humour and just see Meat as a musician will get it!

You don't have to tell me what wrestling is all about. It would have been even worse if it wasn't scripted. When appearing at the boxing matches Meat got applause - and he performed with Patti. :-) At RAW he just served as another Orton victim.

I think I do. He was playing a role on RAW, like in the movies. Your issue is he didn't appear as a musician and sing, but he doesn't play a musician in movies. He's appeared on political shows as a commentator and not a musician singing. Anytime Meat appears on a movie or show it's a promotion for his music. The only difference is this time he was promoting an album. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

You're welcome Carole. I'm glad you enjoyed it :-)

Yeah? I must've missed the bit on House where he turned around and took bids for signed copies of Bat III. I never saw him whip out a CD on Wayne's World, either :-P

Oddly though, that would've worked!

Doode.

My issue is the way he presented himself. Playing a role at a wrestling show is okay but it depends on the kind of role and the context. I like wrestling (although I think it was much more fun back in the 1990s), yet I don't believe that it was the ideal place / way to promote an album. Especially if you hardly had any other opportunities to present its content before, let alone a hit single.

And he was promoting it in a rather bad way, in my opinion. He's just released one of his best albums, it reached the Top 10 in Europe - so why does he plug it that clumsily?

I'm usually glad to see him on TV, no matter on what kind of show, but the QVC as well as the RAW appearances made me sad.

In the credits for those shows mentioned, he appears as Meat Loaf, not his legal name. If he appears as Meat Loaf, that connects any appearance with his music whether he takes out a CD or not. In Fight Club he is credited as Meat Loaf, that connects his appearance to his music. In Fight Club he played an underground fighter with man boobs. Did that hurt his album sales? I doubt it. On RAW, he played a role. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe Meat can make you all happy and appear on Headbanger's Ball...Oh wait, it's not 1987. He's promoting the 2010 way. Let's leave it at that.

In Fight Club he didn't hold any of his CDs in his hands, didn't attempt to sing some of his songs and didn't yell "Jon Bon Jovi... Jack Black... Kara DioGuardi..." And it was him who knocked down guys. ;)

But he was credited as Meat Loaf. If you don't know his music, you see the credits and then you go check out his music; that's a form of promotion. If he went by his legal name, noone would be wiser, except for his fans. If he goes on a show, as Meat Loaf, and says something totally controversial, that can affect his album sales. He didn't go on and sing or hold a CD, but he appeared as Meat Loaf. You can't separate the two.

And what's done is done. Seems like the lines are clearly drawn whether people think this was a successful venture for Meat or not. Minds probably won't change but it is an interesting discussion nonetheless.

So, you don't think that being credited as 'Meat Loaf' has anything at all to do with the fact that that's what he likes to be called? And you're saying that the person who's never heard of Meat Loaf before, sees the name Meat Loaf on the credits of a film, and then somehow makes the massive leap of 'Oh, this guy must make music!'. Because, yeah, sure, that's gonna happen..... :-/

I never said anything about the RAW promo hurting album sales... but Freud would probably crack a smile over that one.

And so you're saying, in this age of Google, that it's not possible for someone to like a character in a show and see who played that character. Then go on a number of search engines and find out about that actor. I never knew James Marsters or Anthony Stewart Head had music albums until I googled them from seeing them in their Buffy the Vampire Slayer days. Or looked at wikipedia. I doubt I'm the only person on earth who has ever done that.

Now on a separate note, you may start making fun of me for watching Buffy....lol.

I'm not really saying that, man - just, well, it's hardly mass marketing is it? Realistically how many people are going to jump right to wiki?

I know a lot of people who think Meat is cool in Fight Club but even those who know that he's also singer (many of them own Bat II) do not necessarily feel the urge to buy his albums after seeing him in the movie. I recently saw Tom Waits in Mystery Men. He was hilarious and I really like his music, yet his appearance did not make me buy further Tom Waits albums. When I see Marianne Faithfull as Irina Palm I rather perceive her as the woman she portrays than as someone who has released some interesting records. You don't always automatically associate the actor with the singer. It's not as easy as you think. ;)

And done well .. in a style to capture the interest of WWE viewers.

Seems to me that out of 5 million or so regular viewers, (hardly a drop in the bucket), there will have been plenty who DO know of Meat, DO like his records, and DIDN'T know he had a new album out, but are WWE fans who DO know now .. I cannot fathom why people who enjoy WWE would for some reason be excluded from knowing and liking Meat's music, and would hazard a guess he appeared to reach these people.

Caryl

Remember everyone, to disagree with someones opinion is fine. To start sniping at them whilst doing so isn't.

Hey Caryl,

I was confused when I first read this. So I re-read it. I was confused again. You're saying that a lot of people watch WWE, some of whom are probably Meat Loaf fans, who are now - thanks to the promo on RAW - aware of the new album being out? Hence the RAW promo was a success?

Did I get that right? Just trying to clarify :cool:

Doode.

I thought it was clear .. I am saying that I see no reason to suppose that there aren't plenty of WWE fans who know of Meat, like his records, but may well not have known he had a new album out. Now they do. Hence it was a legitimate promotional activity, and IMO these were the people Meat would have been trying to reach, not people here who already know. And he did it in a way that would have appealed to WWE fans, ie his target audience. And it seems to me that being a WWE fan is not incompatible with being someone who knows of Meat, likes his records, but might well not have been made aware that he had a new album out from other means.

I have some friends who are out in the US at the moment .. they wrote today and said at the pool people were talking this week about Meat having a new album out .. and these people knew because they had seen him on WWE. And they loved the way he acted the part. I doubt they're the only ones he reached in the 5 million audience it has regularly.

How many will convert to sales I have no idea, (there are no doubt statistics on which to form a forecast, and that's the imponderable with all promotional activity) but I see no reason why many won't .. it was a valid audience to reach out to imo, and that's precisely what he did.

Caryl

So, 'yes', then.

Coolness! I never thought that going on RAW was a bad move, though I'm not a wrestling fan - but in no way was I suggesting that the way it was done was bad, I was just saying what I would've gotten a kick out of seeing.

What I DO think though, is that more traditional style promo is needed right now. Be it interviews and performances on prime time chat shows, or a new single with a great video, or... whatever else can be thought of. Because I want this album to do REALLY well. It deserves to, don't you think? And, for almost selfish reasons, I want more of 'em!

Doode ;)

It definitely does.

I second that :))

Same here I'm not a wrestling fan either, and only watched the clip because Meat was on, and I had no idea either what RKO'd meant, so it was a shock to see Meat go down like that. But like you say, they would have practiced it quite a few times so Meat would fall and not hurt himslef.

Carole

Had Meat RKO'd Randy Orton I think it would have created a bigger buzz than Meat being RKO'd or if Randy Orton endorsed the album, which he didn't. As it is, I don't think it'll make a blind bit of difference with the wrestling fans .in buying the album.

But as Evil One rightfully pointed out "with the choice between that or nothing, it's better than nothing." :shrug:

don't know if this has been posted here, or you guys have already seen it, but theres a WWE.com video surfaced on youtube of meat talking about his experience on the show :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdgVCTA3YpE

enjoy :D

You know what, the RAW promo is so much better with that last clip added. I only saw it on youtube - did the interview clip air straight afterwards?

just to clear up any confusion, the interview i posted was an exclusive to WWE.com.

so it wasn't shown on the RAW broadcast, or any replays, it was simply something which visitors could watch on the WWE website when they were catching up with what happened on raw :-)

WWE do this quite regularly after important matches, guest hosts etc. ;)

So it's a week later from the WWE appearance and I am watching RAW's live event again tonight. AND guess who's name was mentioned at the top of the show via a wrestler calling out Randy Orton. Yep, Meat Loaf in all it's glory. I physically stopped what I was doing when I heard his name.

Suzieq

Very cool :))

Ye meat was guest host
he made big mistake singing to randy orton the viper struck meat with the rko lol poor guy
wat hurt me was the crowd boooing meats singing which was disrespectful
show or not u dnt boo meat !
Matty

Not really. The crowd had paid good money to watch semi-naked men grapple each other, not listen to a wrestler being serenaded.

What I didn't understand is why Meat decided to sing "I can barely fit my ... " bit over and over again. Who is going to understand what the hell is going on when he is singing that unless you have listened to the song. Why not do Los Angeloser.

yeah that was a bit of a strange one for me as well.

it's funny, a couple of years ago he would've got away with singing the full line as part of the 'attitude era' but now with them so keen to tap into the PG market he couldn't.

The segment started well but the choice of songs (the beginning of Elvis in Vegas seemed to be an eternity) for it meant it was going downhill fast and that's why the crowd started to boo it. They wanted to get back to a wrestling related theme and it quite cleary wasn't that for them.

Ironically the best thing that Meat could take from that was being RKO'd as that was what was featured for the next few days around wwe.com, the replays during the show and on many different wrestling websites.

No such thing as bad publicity in that instance.

Not true. As the publicity Meat got from that segment didn't equal record sales :nope: So either the viewers didn't like what they saw and was turned off by the songs Meat was singing, or they thought Meat was a joke and got turned off from whatever the hell he was trying to sell. Had Meat been a proper guest host, then I think the publicity for the album could have been tweaked appropriately and well have worked in his favour.

Couldn't agree more.