Who says he has to tour?

ML...I love HCTB and can't say anything bad about it. I bought 4 copies and 2 from the M&G. Can I still have you come to my house and paint it? I'll buy the paint. This will be the highlight of my life. I'll even make you breakfast, lunch and dinner.

HANG COOL TEDDY BEAR ROCKS !!!!

Not necessarily. If Meat tours down under and in Germany/Europe the first half of 2011 as he's said. Then I'd imagine he'd take a (well deserved) break after the tour and he'd be unlikely to go back into the studio until Q3 next year, which would probably put the next album on the same time frame as HCTB ... record through Autumn then mixing/mastering over the winter with a Spring release in 2012. If he decides to tour then realistically it wouldn't be till Summer 2012 I'd have thought.

No, it does not. Quite the opposite actually: you download a (lossy) compressed song, and then you compress it again. There's absolutely no way that transcoding will improve quality.

2012 tour huh?

As a December 21st performance he should do Surfs Up lol...

I'm considering to say something really bad about the album just to see whether he sticks to his threat - and to see the reaction of my landlords when they discover that their precious investment has been turned into a weird piece of modern art. :devil:

Could be a Meat / Springsteen clash.

I hear you Sarge. ML doesn't have to paint my house, just come on over. Another HCTB cd would be more then welcome in my house. IMO...I really have to say that the UK version of HCTB is a hell of a lot better then the US version. I can't find anything wrong with HCTB but like Sarge said, I can make something up to see if you will come to my house. :D

Thinking the samething. But they both toured at the same time in 1978, so its not that bad.

Springsteen performed two days after meat at both Agora's Ballroom in Cleveland, OH and at the Hammersmith odeon in 1978.

It is if you're a fan and you want to go see both, costs end up doubling! Not to mention the risk of concerts potentially being on the same night.

is this about a new album - maybe or about painting houses? it's confusing to come back after such a long time ....
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Did he say green and yellow? I'll take that, love green n yellow, I'll even take yellow and black and you can paint a seagull instead of a bum?

if ever there was a back to topic request that was it...

so back to topic

I really don't get all those Springsteen references again and again and again.:roll:

Maybe you would if you would go to one of his shows. Just a thought.

What a heavenly clash - as long as they are not on the same night. Two intense shows from two of the best live acts in my lifetime. I think it's 1988 since I saw both in one year. I'm sure that was Meat's 20/20 tour which I thought was completely awesome. For Springsteen it was Tunnel of Love which was definitely not a dark ride!

Ian

You missed Bruce on the Magic tour and/or Meat on Casa De Carne back in 2008 then?

1988 would be the legendary Lost Boys and Golden girls Tour. If you witnessed that you are a lucky duck.

LB&GG tour made the Born to Rock tour look like the 3 Bats Tour...

20/20 tour was 1987 (which is my second favorite tour)

and Andy, you're right. Bruce did tour in 2008. Wonder if that was the reason he didnt play the bigger venues in the US :(

I know, I was there for both :p

By "he" who do you mean Bruce or Meat? Not that it really matters since the type of tours they both did in 2008 wouldn't cause a clash over venues.

Anyway, back to the new album talk ...

I didn't see any of the European shows on the Magic Tour - I saw him in Chicago in October 2007 (which amazingly co-incided with a trip to my office over there ;) ).

Saw Meat in Bath and Hampshire (I think) in what was an amazing long weekend in July '08. Some terrible weather and one or two sound issues but still an fantastic experience as usual.

Ian.

Bath was a great show despite the weather, "why does it always ~~~~ing rain whenever I do an outdoor show?" ;-)
I wonder if the next tour after next after next after the next album would be outdoors, I hope not.

Hey, I was at the Born to Rock Tour and to say that another tour (no matter how good it was) makes it look like Three Bats is an insult! :bicker:

You obviously didnt understand. I think that the B2R tour is excellent but compared to the LB&GG extravaganza it looks like the 3 Bats tour.

its like saying Godfather II made Godfather I look like a bad movie or something...

I did. But I assume you primarily judge the quality of the performance by audio recordings and / or video footage and not by the actual experience.

It strikes me that the most likely reason that songs that did not make it to HCTB was probably because they did not fit into the concept or storyline of the album. Just because they were not on the album we can not assume it was because they were not good enough.

I feel confident in saying that PFL fits in the first catagory rather than the second.

That again reinforces the thought that Patrick was a bad idea.

GET THE HOUSE PAINT NOW MEAT!!! :lol:

I love the whole concept album idea, think Patrick's story was an original and fascinating basis for an album, was genuinely excited to download parts of the story from the web, and love being able to listen to the whole album as if it was a musical of Patrick's imaginary future life.

I love all the tracks on HCTB, the diversity of music, the vocals, the production, and believe it features some of Meat's best songs. I like the fact that it was an album, not just a collection of singles.

I love the creativity behind it, the effort put in, and the courage Meat showed in making such a different and new sounding piece of music compared to his tradional style.

I'm thrilled to hear that we will be getting another album next year, which presumably means that the record company were also happy with how the album performed commercially.

So really, I'm just enormously positive about the whole thing.

But can you still come and paint BUM on my house please Meat - because that would be awesome?

i must confess, i haven't found hang cool to be a deep lyrical/musical masterpiece of work, though i have not read any of the marketing story as its "suggestion" hence i fail to see it as a concept.

but i really would have thought that lyrically, "do it" was worse than the 2nd verse of man of steel.

however, i can't say a bad thing about hang cool either, as its a great current rock record.. which by definition, sounds alot like other great current rock records

then again... i could be wrong

Hm, I really enjoy 'Do it' and I like the lyrics.:-)

which is great, and thats the beauty of music... almost everyone enjoys it, (just different bits)

hence i said i could be wrong

back on topic!!!!!!!!!!!

To answer your question Meat I don't know about lyrics as much as you do but I do know a little and I think Man Of Steel is one of your best songs. And I never said I don't like HCTB I love it. The best you've done in years the only thing I said about it was I'm not too keen on LA and LAR but they are good songs. I just wish you would execpt my apology and stop insulting me every chance you get it's starting too hurt my feelings. And the worst lyrics you've ever sang was Bad For Goog IMO.

Yes, Bad For Goog is terrible. Bad For Good in the 80's on the other hand was one of Meat's best. The Bat 3 version, while still good, it wasn't as good.

Can't really think of many Steinman songs that have bad lyrics. If anything on Bad for Good could be considered containing weak lyrics it would have to be Stark Raving Love I would have thought and even then it has a kick ass guitar duel to make up for it. :shrug:

Have you listened to the songs from the play More Then You Deserve? :|

Help - I need another new album - speedy
This morning I get in my car turn the music on (HCTB - of course) and waht did that shit car radio :evil: it eat and crashed one of my HCTB CD´s :evil:
I said "Spit it out" damn CD-player but nothing happend :(
Yeah I know your reaction -women and technical stuf-
Now I can only hear a old tape -yes right a tape from 1993 Bat II which is used up but I need good music it is particularly important when driving and the local radio station play every hour Lady Gaga with Alejandro :boohoo: that´s driving me crazy

OK and now back to the topic
On the official german fan side "songwriters" we could continue the story from Patrick (sounds interesting for Sarge?)
My story has a happy end in the hardware store where Patrick work :heart: aww soppy :lol: It would be wonderful to see and hear how the story continue. Maybe I´m a fan from the category who love everything what Meat Loaf do and I really love every song from HCTB it´s a perfect rock album with all what I expect from a Meat Loaf album -fresh rock music, good lyrics and emotion, emotion, emotion... that´s why another new album that continue the story would be the absolut clou:up:
I´m very curious about it.

PS: Meat, I dont can say any bad things about HCTB, but my house needs a mew coat of paint:D With your nonstandard creation it would be the hippest house in town.;-)

I don't consider bootlegs official releases so I don't expect much of that type of shit. I'm sure Jim's first songs were crap whenever he started writing, probably all writers will have to go through that to get good. Anyway he got at least 1 really good song I know of out of that early musical obviously. :up:

I read the contributions and I have to say that I liked some of them much better than the original story. :twisted: As far as I remember you could win a M&G if you took part - what has become of that? Wonder where and when that is going to take place because at the moment we don't know if and when Meat will come to Germany.

PATRICK was a brilliant idea, Not only is PATRICK the central charactor in the storyline but the name PATRICK also has the effect of winding up some people who dont seem to like the name PATRICK.

Maybe we should start a poll on what Meat should call this new album

I suggest PATRICKs adventures in PATRICKland

hope nobody thinks I slipped the name in there on purpose

Obviously someone wants to be put on top of my black list? :twisted: ;)

Do you like my story :pray::D

The winner was the story where Patrick and Jenny are brothers and sisters :!: - I dont like this story, because I dont think that any brother had such feelings for his sister :??:

They decided for the most soap opera like ending, LOL.

There were also some rather dark versions which I liked. It was very interesting to see the ideas people came up with (whether soppy ;) or morbid) and I think there were stories that were more inventive than the one Universal picked as the winner.

I considered for a moment if I should take part, too, just for fun, but I'm lazy and my story would have probably turned out very morbid and maybe it would have contained a lot of black humor. I had to write short stories at university and the prof said: "That's awesome... but meeeaaaaaaan." Maybe poor Patrick is lucky that I didn't mess around with his fate. :devil:

I'm not impressed by the original story but if it triggers people's creativity I don't feel the urge to say something nasty about it at this point.

the main thing is we are getting a new Meat Loaf album!! he can call it what he wants? im just glad that he still wants to make good music:D

:D me too, can't wait to hear it, i really dont care about the specifics im just stoked that Meat actually wants to make a new album that soon!

HCTB is a great record, so get out there and book more shows so more people can know it exists!!! :-P They deserve to hear how amazing it sounds!

Dance In My Pants. Surely the very definition of bad lyrics? Dont get me wrong, I love the tune, and the lyrics are fun. But good? No.

I wouldn't say the lyrics are necessarily bad in that song, there are plenty of them. :D Perhaps the idea wasn't fantastic. Jim clearly tried to re-incarnate Paradise here, but with a more fun and less dramatic approach. I love some of the lyrics.
"And I don't ever want to be rescued
I don't ever want to be saved
I got a feeling that I'm gonna be alive forever
Dancing on the edge of a grave"

I actually think the song needed a more grand title / chorus line rather than "dance in my pants". Having the word "pants" in any title isn't a good idea imo.

It's got the makings of a good song, but it's not the finished article. It feels like Jim ran out of ideas and went with what he had ready.

Bootleg recording or not he wrote those songs and they were officially published and forked with copyright as that is a must for a show to even begin production.

So in that case the songs were officially released, the recording is not :))

I agree. Great tune, rushed lyrics.

Yes, that bit is quite good. And there are also other quite cool bits. But it's a collection of quite good bits with some embarassingly naff bits in between.

Yes, that's what kills all the credibility of the song for me. It's just so dumb and naff.

I think these bits suck:

"When I woke up this morning and I looked out my window I could see that it was cloudy and grey." Oooh the drama.

"I got a dance in my pants". Creepy pervy. Yuk sick barf.

"No way Jose" and that whole spoken bit in the middle. Just make it stop, please.

The insane cackling at the end. No, NO, NOOOOO!!

HCTB 'story' sucks, unless you're a hardcore Meat Loaf fan, I don't think outside of Loafdom you're really going to give two tuppence about the Patrick side of things.

PFL is a really good song and if it's lyrically similar to LOTO then LOTO should have been given the boot from the album.

:lmao:

The trouble is that the idea with the story just does not work. I asked in another thread who saw Elvis in Vergas as it cannot be Patrick if you stick to the story. You have an album and you have a story - I regard them as two separate things that are independent from each other. When listening to the album the first couple of times, I was racking my brains how the hell the songs were related to the story, I could not find any relation, sorry.

Maybe it is also due to the fact that I listened to Brantley's original songs before - which I could enjoy without being told how they have to be interpreted. They took songs that already existed and wrapped the story around them. It slightly works on Peace On Earth but not on the rest of the album.

I am not saying that HCTB appears to be a random compilation of songs. That is not the case. The songs indeed have a connection to each other and it's exciting to listen to the whole album - but they don't tell the same thing as the short story which is absolutely superflous, in my opinion, and rather appears to be a marketing trick than the foundation of the album.

I suspect no one would have recognized the "concept" or the underlying story if Meat hadn't constantly talked about it.

An alleged concept album that requires to be explained is not a concept album. Listen to The Who's Tommy, for example. It's the songs that tell the story, they don't need someone to tell you what each song is actually all about and how the songs are connected to each other. Meat presses very good songs into a corset and actually restricts the freedom of the listener to explore the music by forcing the story on you.

Many of the songs on HCTB are covers or recordings of songs that had been written before Meat picked them for this album. The original songs were written and recorded before in a different context. Usually the concept is created before the songs are written, not vice versa.

I'm looking forward to a new album but I hope it won't be a "concept" album this time, unless it's a concept that really works. Good songs do not need such kind of crutches - they can walk on their own.

That's exactly what they are. You could get any random dozen songs in the Top 40 now, put them in a certain order and cobble together some sort of convoluted storyline.

I have a "what if" situation:

What if Meat never mentioned anything about the album being a concept album and never shared the concept/story? Do you think anyone would put two and two together on their own and say...you know, I think these songs tell a story?

I'm in the mindset that there are plenty of intelligent folks here and there have been some really good questions about songs, so it is very difficult for me to believe that no one in a days time, a weeks time, a months time etc, that would have asked ...is this HCTB an album that tells a story about something?

Meat provided that information up front, but it's not necessary to have the information to enjoy the album. So, if you are not "feeling" Patrick, ignore him.

No. I think you'd have to be taking some bizarre herbal medications to suddenly get the eureka moment of "f*ck me, these songs tell the story of a soldier called Patrick who's dying and his life is flashing forwards not backwards. And his grilfriend in his hometown is called Jenny, but it's a different Jenny than he knows. Plus this Jenny with each song has different hair and different clothes and different make-up"

Yes there are and most don't believe in the story as a convincing story. It's gobbledygook at best.

Maybe all this discussion whether it is or not a concept album is just a stragety to get enough talk about the album to sell the record ;)

I love the majority of this record. I do not get the story. Concept is clear on its own, but its not working when I listen to the record.

No offence to any body who sees this concept. No offence to everybody who worked real hard to give us an awesome Meat Loaf record. Just saying. This should be a topic on its own ;)

No, I agree with Pud. Even on a song-by-song basis; for example, California is supposed to be about a hooker? How does the song illustrate this? Bruce Springsteen's song Reno is about a hooker- it's obvious from the lyrics, no further explanation needed. (However, I won't even begin to compare the songs themselves because, IMO, there is no comparison. Reno is a serious song, for one thing)


As Sarge said, a true concept album tells the story all on it's own- Tommy, The Wall, Joe's Garage- those are concept albums.


Steel cage match? Exxxxcelllent! :twisted:

Bruce could tag-team with the Big Man ;)

The strategy doesn't seem to be working though does it ;)

LOL @ Pud

I must say I have never given the idea of this story a second thought since my first listen! I prefer to determine the meaning of songs and the overall feel of the album myself (and that is often quite different from what the writer had in mind!).

I'd love the new album to have a certain consistent sound or "mood" to it - ala Bad Attitude (which remains my most played Meat album). I'd also like there to be a little more variety of pace and have two or three genuinely slow ballads. Meat's ability to convey emotion so clearly in his voice is never clearer than when he's singing a well written ballad which all of my favourite albums have. Combining this with the writing quality from HCTB would, for me, give a really exciting release.

Ian.

maybe/maybe not? but bat 1 did f**k all for nearly a year? and then suddenly took off? he tried something new, and i liked it. then there are some who didnt. but i think its better to do a modern fresh sounding album, rather than get someone in to write songs like Jim Steinman? and then everybody turn around and say, hey there trying to sound like Steinman!!! Meats moved on, like many artists do? and sometimes the die hards get left behind, or fans who are still back in the 70,s? thats life!! at the end of the day if people dont get it, hey what can ya do? i have one brain cell, and can see how its a story?

but in this modern age people dont make albums like that anymore? most people today would not know what a concept album is? i think Meat had to explain it? but some think it worked/some didnt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Idiot

This album came out in 2004, pretty much modern age. I've been following this thread regarding concept albums and a memory came forward. I haven't heard this album and the reason I even have memory about it is that when it was released it kept being compared to, Bat1, I think, but please don't quote me on that. It kept coming up on my Meat alerts.

That's it. It's all I've got for now... lol ...

did you see who produced it?

I don't think I would have gotten the Patrick story had I not have read the story (which I love!) but when listening to an album I try and think of a story to go with it

well thats ok, you paid for your album. it can be whatever you want it to be?
thats the great thing about music, it takes you off to where you wanna go?

Yeah, sure... People, especially Meat Loaf fans, are stupid these days. :roll: Aside from the fact that I hope that Meat does not explain the term "concept album" to the presumably ignorant part of the audience (because he obviously has a rather funny conception of what that is), your assumption doesnt make sense. If no one knows what a concept album is why bother making one or selling an album as a "concept" album? In this case you could also take any concept / story and tag it to the album. Oh... wait a sec...

By the way, I just checked out Tom Jones' new album and I rather hear a concept on that than on HCTB.

Yes.

hi tink :) really awesome to see you around. seen your name for close to 8 years. i heard the american idiot record produced by cavallo. i really like it. but it sounds like nothing from booh. i dunno what those guys were saying when they ma de that comparison. it was first green day album with variety of instruments with exception of the album that came before, "warning" was the album. but american did feature background vocals that green day never used before

HCTB was targeted at a younger audience, that is as clear as day. i was not targeting Meat fans, it would be targeted at lets say a new audience? green days american idiot album was a concept album, do you think 14m people gave a shit about the story? how many of them ever heard of a story album?
but its what the artist chose to do, and if Meat wanted to explain what the album is about, hey its hes album? i remember in a part of behind the music Kasim saying its a Meat Loaf record, not a fans record? he took a risk, and some got it and then some didnt? if Meat says its a story, well then its my job to find it? if i dont, well whats the problem? but when the album was been put together thats the story that Meat seen, thats what he was trying to get across. it worked for some and not for others?

1. POE = hes laying on the battle field, hes life flashing before him?
2. LOTO = hes young, tearing down the highway, two fingers to the world?
3. LOSAN - he meets a girl, shes a gold digger, hes obsessed with her?
4. ICHU - she dont want him no more? hes been a bad boy!! he cant live WOH

i dont have time at the moment to go through them all, but the album makes perfect sense to me? everything Meat said about it makes sense to me?
and if nobody has time to figure out the story? hey cool!! just enjoy the great tunes. 10% of the time when i listen to the album i think of the story?
so i guess i dont think of the story alot? but i do see the story, i mean its as clear as day

if you read the book itll all make sense

So where is that younger, new audience? Obviously the strategy you imply failed?

Did you read and understand my question? Does the Green Day album come along with a short story, by the way?

What the hell are you reading into my post? All I'm saying is that it does not work and that I don't think that it's a concept album. Of course he can do whatever he wants but if he says something in public, people have the right to discuss it, haven't they?

If it's your job, why do you need an explanation?

Again, most of these songs existed BEFORE the story and / or were NOT written with the story in mind. Taking a story and finding already existing songs that could illustrate it or write a story you could read the songs into - that's not what a concept album is all about.

Huh?

In which respect?

I could be wrong, but I didn't notice a dramatic increase in new, younger members registering on this site when HCTB was released. Just out of interest, would anyone 'in the know' be able to compare this number to when Bat 3 and CHSIB were released?

@ nikox1

Just out of curiosity: Why the references to American Idiot? Maybe you should check how (and by whom) American Idiot and its concept was created and compare it to the history of HCTB. Maybe you'll realize how they differ from each other.

Addition: Just because a number of people bought Green Day's album regardless of whether it's a concept album or not that doesn't mean that "modern" people are too dumb to know what a concept album is. I'm sure in 1967 a lot of people bought Sgt. Pepper just because of the individual songs, too, and not primarily because of the concept. What you say is also quite contradictory. On the one hand you claim HCTB was meant to appeal to a younger audience who allegedly doesn't care about concepts. American Idiot was a concept album but sold well although or because the fans didn't care about the concept??? I'm confused. So again my question, why would he try to sell a concept to young people? Idealism? Education? Marketing strategy?

If anyone can then Rainer can, I certainly can't find any reports of rate of new members against time.

However, from memory I don't think there's really any correlation of the rate new members joining here to album release.

We usualluy get a slight increase in the rate of new people joining if Meat is on the news, or on the TV, or on tour. But that has remained fairly steady and hasn't really changed over time. The only big increase we had was in the few days after that show in Newcastle.

[QUOTE=Sarge;514176]Sgt. Pepper[/I] just because of the individual songs, too, and not primarily because of the concept. QUOTE]

I bought the Sgt Pepper album (and btw ? I still have it ! ... lol ) because I was/am a fan of the Beatles ... :D ...

and sorries. I STILL can't the sh*ttin' quote thing right ... lol ...

:up: At least one member of this forum who appreciates the Beatles. Hm... let's see... maybe if Patrick was a Sergeant and his girlfriend was Rita, the meter maid, who has a sister who's "leaving home" to star in a Russ Meyer movie... Oh, I have an idea! :twisted:

Why do I see a poll coming about? ;)

spirits help us, you hanging around too much with w:shock: :devil:

Who says that he has the monopoly on crazy ideas?

At least one more here...Abbey Road is on my "Desert Island" list. :-)

Unfortunately, somebody beat you to the movie, although your story would probably be better than theirs: ;)

http://www.hollywoodoutbreak.com/wp-...sgt-pepper.jpg

(I must confess, though, I loved the movie at the time because it came out at the height of my Peter Frampton obsession. :oops: :lol: )

@ Sarge.

i know Rick Brantley had written some of the songs before hand, he even recorded them i think? but that does not mean Meat was not looking for that type of song to fit hes story idea? Peace on Earth fits right in with it? as does Living on the Outside? so there was clearly an idea before hand?
didnt Rob Cavallo say that he only wanted to keep 2 from the original 15?
so maybe the original songs didnt fit the story, hence Meat got people to write some new stuff.

American Idiot and Hang Cool Teddy Bear are more similer than you think?
Meat usually never states any political views, well not in public anyway?
i believe American Idiot can be seen by everybody as an anti war record, less obvious is HCTB perhaps? but i feel there is a similer story dug very very deep into HCTB. it creeps into alot of the songs. i think HCTB is written in a very clever way, the lyrics are far darker than what is usually found on a Meat record.

and the modern cd buying public in general are not very bright imo, you only have to look at the charts:roll: ,, they download 2 or 3 songs off an album.
so no they wouldnt have a clue what a concept album is? but that said i know there is still 20% of the buying public who still care about music.

HCTB was directed at a younger audience, and if it didnt work, well what can you do? but it was a new sound and image for Meat, and he took a risk?
but if it sold 10m copies and had hit singles, the world would not say anything against it, it would be seen as a master stroke with or without bloody Patrick? but record companys will only promote something with a bat or hell in the title, and thats why im so happy for Meat that he enjoyed it, and 50% of hes fans liked it so much. he made a record that he loved and wanted to make.

very true!!! i mean i would never have imagined BAT 1 been based on songs from a future vision of Peter F**king Pan!!!! so it was kind of nice that Meat explained it, but alot of people would of got HCTB eventually in some way?
maybe not a Patrick, but perhaps a Joe or Ruth maybe?

Patrick actually was my big brother's name. He would have been 28 this year :) His birthday was last friday the 13th

thats sad news man, i will say a prayer, all the best.

I don't think that he was specifically looking for that kind of songs from the beginning. I asked in another thread who exactly picked the songs / songwriters and why a particular song / songwriter was chosen. No one has been able to answer that question yet. It's also strange that he took songs that already existed, I already explained that that's usually not the way how a concept album is created. It's more like that ABBA musical - you take songs that have already been written and put them in a new context.

If someone had an idea, it was Brantley when he wrote the songs. Listen to his CDs and you'll notice that they sound more coherent than HCTB.

Which would disprove what you said before about Meat allegedly already having a concept / story. At least it must have been a different concept in that case.

No, they aren't. Billie Joe had and idea and wrote songs supposed to convey it. Do you see one of the major differences now?

And he doesn't with HCTB either. HCTB ist not a political album. It doesn't hurt anybody. There is no political message. In fact, I think there is no message at all.

I agree.

Then I'm asking you a third time. Why bother to make a "concept" album, if you target a young, "stupid" audience?

It didn't work because it hasn't been promoted in a way that appeals to young rock fans. There is no "coolness" factor, as The Doode would say.

Which is a bold move and I like that.

Maybe but it didn't sell that many copies. But I was not going to talk about sales or the quality of the album but discuss the question whether it's a concept album or not - and I stick to my opinion that it isn't.

:yikes: I heard about that movie but I didn't know that Peter Frampton was involved.

Is it one of these "it's so bad that it's funny" movies?

No, not really; in fact, I still like to watch it now and then. :-) Peter Frampton was the lead- Billy Shears. They got the story by combining a bunch of songs, mostly from Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road.

The music is great, of course, and Steve Martin is even in it- he plays Dr. Maxwell Edison. Aerosmith is in it, as well. It's kind of fun.

Hmmmm, maybe I'll go watch it! ;)

The fact that you're trying to compare Bat1 and HCTB completely gives you a failed argument on many levels.

Whether or not the songs were written to fit the story or whether the songs already existed, Meat has mentioned before that the songs were tweaked to fit the storyline a bit so there was some re-writing of certain lines. I think that the concept is a good one, personally, and whether or not you can feel the story running through the CD is largely irrelevant as the songs do flow well from one song to the next and I happen to think you can sense the movement in the story as you play the CD in its entirety.

Whether other people pick up on that I neither know nor care. Quite a few concept albums don't convey their actual "message" to the masses because the concept is not the overarching thing making someone enjoy an album usually. More often than not, it's the quality of the tunes and in HCTB, the production of the music is fantastic and for me it's simply a case of whether you enjoy certain songs or not.

So again, I think its irrelevant whether the songs were picked before, tweaked after or made to fit the concept, I feel the concept is fairly loose and prevents us from being restricted to ONLY thinking of the story throughout the album. There's way too much going on in HCTB to ONLY focus on the concept and I doubt Meat's original intent was for us to think purely of the concept as the songs are played anyway. I view the concept as an addition to the music, not the one thing governing the entire album.

And to criticise album sales and suggest the album isn't successful? The album is a success on a personal level for Meat, who has never been about the money anyway. Sure, he would love the album to be a massive success and who's to say that still won't happen? I love it and prefer it to anything Meat has done since Bat 2. That makes it a success for me and that is what counts, IMO. I don't much concern myself with album sales because that has nothing really to do with me.

Old duffers doing younger music is kinda like knowing your parents are still doing the horizontal mambo next door to your bedroom, there's something quite disturbing about it.

Sure, cos that's what pays the bills :roll:

Didn't somebody post an article on here recently in which he complained about the promo in the U.S. and the fact that it failed to attract a younger audience? :??:

You missed this part. It'd be counter-productive NOT to be interested in album sales as the artist, but why everyone round her focusses on it so much when it's nothing to do with them or whether you personally enjoy an album is beyond me.

And you missed this part ;):

Since when is nikox1 - who started a (Green-Day-related :))) discussion on sales - everyone?

I'll go with that thought for a moment. If it's nothing to do with anyone what the album does regarding sales, why the hell was/is there a fan campaign to promote HCTB so hopefully it'll get MORE sales? And why do people get all giddy when Meat is on TV saying that they hope more people will go out and get the album, even more sales?

OMG... wasn't he so CUUUTE in that film ? ... hehe ... I liked it, too, for what it was. I especially loved Billy Preston's rendition of Get Back, him in that suit dancing about ... HOTcha ... :D ... lol ...

Sorry for getting off-topic for a short praise of a weird masterpiece.

I just watched it! What an oddity of a movie! :lawl: One thing's for sure, neither the Bee Gees nor Frampton are actors - maybe that's why there is no dialog. (?) Never noticed how much Peter Frampton resembled Justin Hawkins before. :shock: (Must be the hair and the clothing...) The villain's vehicle with its Star Wars like interior - including singing (!) creepy robots! Steve Martin was hilarious, his character was a bit like the sadistic dentist he played in Little Shop of Horrors. Alice Cooper trying to strangle Robin Gibb! :devil: Aerosmith as the "Future Villains Band" or something like that. The logo of the record company is a big fat evil red pig! :twisted: The brothers Gibb doing a poor Bruce Lee impression! Billy Preston was probably the only guy on earth who could fly through the air and dance around in a golden uniform without looking ridiculous. :cool: Liked the ending when all those famous singers, actors and Dame Edna (!) show up.

How about putting Patrick in that setting? :))

Joe Perry from Aerosmith, said the industry joke about the soundtrack to that film was it shipped platinum and came back double platinum!


Aerosmith do a great version of Come Together but that's the most i've seen of it.

Anyway back to the new album...how about it as a tribute to Roadie and Travis? :D

There's fans and then there's people with way too much time on their hands, lol