Bad Attitude and Dead Ringer have changed position...

Objects... is the 2nd best on BOOH2!!!

My god... this is horrible.

How in the hell can CHSIB be on the third place??? This is ~~~~in' impossible. This ain't true. There must be a small mis calculation in the scoring.

Welcome to the neighbourhood is even better, even Blind before i stop is better....

Think some people don't rate fair!!!!

and i think that some people are kissing someones a$s.

You use hard voice Tim but I have to agree with you...
I would not rate BBIS higher but Bad Attitude, The Very Best Of and Dead Ringer are so much better!

Tim always uses hard voice, Tim's a bit like Meat: larger than life and twice as loud. :lol:

But I also agree with Tim, but like White said, I don't rate BBIS higher, but Bad Attitude, WTTN and Dead Ringer are so much better!

I can't rewrite the values. Why??? I'd like to refresh this topic!!!

Yes, the software disallows editing a post that is older than 30 minutes.
This is global option, so there's nothing I can do right now. I'll try to find a solution for that.
Until then, I'm afraid you'll have to add a reply for every refresh you want to do.

My rating for the albums (because the ones up are BLASPHEMY)

BAT OUT OF HELL
BAT OUT OF HELL II
COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER
THE VERY BEST OF MEAT LOAF
DEAD RINGER
BAD ATTITUDE
WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
MIDNIGHT AT THE LOST AND FOUND
BLIND BEFORE I STOP

R.!
Could you do anything?
I want to refresh the votes but I can't. Could you lift a ban to change the counts? Please, help me! I think we are curious. If you don't want lift, write me a PM about an era when the site is opened and I will refresh the votes. I think everybofy are curious...

Patience, please. Will come back to this next week.

Next week is over :)

Done. :nag:
Check PM.

Paradise is up to Heaven Can Wait...

Hey! Can I add my scores to the threads to be added or are these scores final?

Ross

How does Very Best of Meat Loaf count as an album? It's a compilation with a few new songs but not an album.

I think that's why only the new songs are counted.


Ross

I would edit again the list if I got a chance to do that!

How about just giving us a rundown of best to worst songs based on all the average ratings you've compiled. So that's 98 songs I believe.

Bat Out Of Hell is only the 7th on the list!!!
Sorry Meat, but look like this album as a Bat is shame...

Stoney & Meatloaf is the worst album...

Hang Cool Teddy Bear is our 7th favourite Meat Loaf album. A little bit better than Bat 3! An odd thing: no red song's on the list!

I have only noticed this thread now, and to be honest I'm shocked at those standings.

WTTN at 9th is a joke. :evil: It's easily a better album than CHSIB, and Dead Ringer. The Very Best shoudn't be in there, because it's a compilation. Bat 3 is also better than DR and CHSIB. This thread was created in 2003, so maybe that's why CHSIB is so far up.

Sorry folks I'm just slucking because WTTN is 9th. :-(

I'm rather surprised that Like A Rose seems to be the least popular HCTB song, yet it was picked as a single for the fan campaign.

Picked by members of this forum through a poll on here ..

Caryl

I want to vote where is it??

If you think its gonna be a good single for radio and whether you yourself like the song or not are two different things.

The first time when I opened the CHSIB threads I thought these were overreacted by members. After 8 years everybody loved everything and rated very high. Some members are voting always with 10, it means FCOL and Do It are the sam category.

My personal opinion that WTTN is better than CHSIB or HCTB but not better than Bad Attitude. Okay, The Very Best Of was a hits and not an album, this is the reason I was counting only with the 3 news songs...

Correct. It's interesting that the same problem didn't happen with Bat 3 or HCTB though.

WOW!! that's the wackest list of all time! it don't even make sense. Hang Cool Teddy Bear at #7?!? Welcome To The Neighborhood at #9?!? with Dead Ringer, Couldn't Have Said It Better, Bad Attitude, and The Very Best Of ahead of two of his best albums, really makes no sense!! and Bat 3 is better than those 4 albums. WTF:roll:

But you're only going to get a fair comparison if you have exactly the same people awarding a rating each time. WoH says "After 8 years everybody loved everything and rated very high. Some members are voting always with 10" .. if the some are rated by people who gave low ratings, and others (like myself) don't rate anything down if they can personally not fault a track, you will have a skewed effect.

I never rate tracks against each other, never post on those threads. I rated every track on HCTB a 10 because I love each and every one. That's an entirely reasonable stance imo because one's appreciation is a very personal thing. There is not a song Meat has recorded that I would rate low, because (apart from the spoken ones, that I do not enjoy at all .. and they are Steinman's anyway) there is not a track I would ever fast forward past. There are perhaps some on some albums I might not rate a 10 .. but with HCTB I love them all.

I am not a musician, cannot make comments about this or that guitar solo fading too fast, or this or that drum sequence lacking in some way. I listen to Meat's voice and passion, and the overall feel of the track. I'm simply a follower of Meat, love his music, love what he gives me. When it achieves that for me, it's a 10.

Caryl

You missed the boat; it's closed. There were two polls, and the one which polled highest on the second vote (which was between the highest polling tracks in the first vote) was chosen for the campaign. You can't keep changing it during a campaign; too costly in terms of time and our financial resources which are limited to personal expenditure.

Caryl

You don't need to rate the tracks against each other. But that's funny when people say FCOL and Like A Rose are sam quality. The first is a masterpiece, a hard job, a deep story, the second one is an easy listening, 2 chords, simple rock cliché. You can enjoy it, but it's not the same quality...

But that's precisely what you are doing in your reply .. rating one song against another.

As I said, it's a personal choice, my view on tracks on an album. I do not think about a track on another album when I rate a song .. I ask myself, can I fault it? If the answer in my opinion is no, then I say 10.

I said also that I am not a musician, don't analyse evey chord, I am simply someone who loves Meat's voice, performance, creativity, passion and style. I do not listen to find flaws or faults. I listen to enjoy. HCTB is TO ME a perfect collection of songs, which TO ME convey a powerful journey of love, self-discovery and learning. Each one TO ME flows from the one before and leads to the next. I know enough about what music I enjoy to know that I love the guitar heavy rock and ballads, and love the sound of Meat's vocals which make me feel like I'm sitting at a live performance. That's how I felt when I first heard the album, how I felt when I finally got it, and how I feel now .. except now I have the visuals playing in my mind when I listen to it having seen Meat performing some of the tracks live. I do not need tricky or complex lyrics .. although I think there is considerable depth to the songs on HCTB, and TO ME they convey a powerful story. I also love the newness of the album .. it's still a Meat album, still rocks, but he's moved on. And I love that.

Caryl

What I can say... you do it well, Caryl...

The reason I like Meat loaf is his theatrical performance, his deep emotions, his heavy and serious arrangement, his very good voice. But I really don't like whe he sings simple rock songs, low tunes ballads, wear funny clothes and show him 20 when he is 60.

In 1998 when Kiss, Is Nothing Sacred and No Matter What came out I thought he goes to a classical way (what is fixing to a 50-60 years old singer). When I heard Jim Steinman's new song from Batman, I said, yes, here are the best very heavy arrenged classical theatrical songs for Meat... but still nothing, just looking for his glam era when he is 60... :(

Meat's stage clothes are part of his theatrical performance .. and imo are designed to have impact from a distance. You sit at the back of an arena and the colour and sparkles stand out. They neither make him look 20 (how many 20 year olds do you EVER see wearing jackets like that? Please!!!!) nor imo is he aiming for that effect, which would be wasted anyway even were it the case as he now embraces his maturity and tells everyone his age while he's performing. He's not "looking for his glam era" .. he simply wants to make a dramatic appearance on stage, and he is as concerned about the person sitting furthest away from him as he is about those at the front. He's an actor. He's also a magnificent showman, and everything about his show is big, bold, dramatic .. his jackets, the staging, Patti's and CC;s stage costumes.

You are a Steinman fan, you like Meat to sing his songs. I am a Meat fan and I love to hear HIM sing and perform. That's the difference. And Meat has changed direction. He still hammers out his rock and roll style (his, not Steinman's), still commands his stage, still gets his audience to their feet, still performs. Now he has a style he's been working towards, to which all his experience has been leading him. And I'm the lucky one, because I think it's pure gold.

Caryl

You are right, I think Jim Steinman is the best rock composer ever. I'm not that fan who likes everything what are made by his idol. I think Meat had the best voice ever (and Freddy Mercury as well) in pop music and Steinman was the best songwriter. But I don't like Jim's Nowhere Fast or Break It, and I don't like Meat's Do It or Burning Down. I don't like everything what they make.

I have a cold head and pure opinion about all their songs. And most of the people have. This is the reason after CHSIB, HCTB or Bat3 we think Meat's best albums were recorded by Jimmy. So, personality, you can love Meat's new style but most of the people think it's only enough to make a 7th best Meat album...

Meat doesn't need to change his mind, he can do everything what he wants (ban my quotes in other topics, for example :D). But he can accept, after 3 albums in the last 10 years he made average albums. No, I don't say it. All of the fans say it because we rate his all songs...

I know I'm not in this argument but I think HCTB is his 2nd best album!! just thought I'd give my two cents in.:lol:

I said you like Meat to sing Steinman songs. I meant you prefer him singing Steinman, and don't seem to value him singing songs written by other composers as much .. not that you necessarily liked every Steinman penned song.

Many people here .. that doesn't cover every Meat fan. It's 7th best based on your threads here, which seem to generally have under 50 responses.

No, not ALL his fans say it here .. and there are a few more out there than post on this forum. I'm not going to cover matters discussed exhaustively on other threads, but to suggest Meat's albums from the last 10 years are "average" based on comments and ratings made here is a skewed judgement, and allows nothing for the huge changes in the music industry.

To make comparison with BOOH is always going to "prove" it was best, because it was a phenomenon, a landmark album for its time, and captured the market's imagination, and because Meat's name will always be synonymous with BAT, it will continue to sell as he attracts new fans who will buy the album he made his name with.

But if the only yardstick we use to judge an album's worth as an album is sales, then every album he makes will be poorer .. and all the rating threads are pointless too. Whether you approve ot not, there are many fans on here who DO think HCTB is an exceptional record, and the threads you have started on rating songs and albums show that. Not all .. it's pretty polarised. In general people on here either love it or don't rate it very highly at all. I think more rate it highly than don't .. and to me that it causes controversy is a good thing .. shows it's new, different and can capture the imagination, enthusiasm and hearts of many. That makes it far from "average" imo.

BOOH was and will always be special to me; it was the album that brought him into my world. But although I don't make a point of comparing albums, the ones I play most often are CHSIB and HCTB (and Best Of because that has so many favourites on it). CHSIB connected with me more than any other album he'd released after BOOH, and HCTB is, to ME, a masterpiece. It's not just about the notes, the cleverness or simplicity of the lyrics, the style etc; rock and roll is imo more about the connection it makes with one on a very individual level. Meat's passion and delivery never fail to connect with me, so I enjoy all his albums without criticism or complaint, but CHSIB and HCTB connect powerfully as albums.

Caryl

I feel the same way Caryl, you sum it up nicely. I am a fan of Meat's and love all his songs, regardless of who wrote them. That is pretty irrelevant to me. But of course I have my favourites and love some more than others. I love his voice, his passion and how he makes every song he sings his own and puts his own unique stamp on it. He is a showman, and it shows at all his concerts. Whereas a lot of other artists just get up there in jeans and a tshirt, and some are downright scruffy, Meat always looks immaculate on stage and has taken a lot of trouble with his appearance. I love his sparkly jackets.

Carole

So... Is anybody gonna update this thread?

After HIAHB votes...

Hell In A Handbasket with a rate of 7.61 is our 7th favourite Meat Loaf album, only one step from Hang Cool Teddy Bear.

MLUKFC members keep California Dreamin' the best on the album and Meat fans don't like rap. Both rap songs are on the bottom of the list.

Voting is not closed, open forever!

I'd have thought that with average scores of close to 5 for Mad Mad World, and 6.5 for Stand in the Storm, and the numbers voting (14 and 15 respectively), you could infer that something between 5-7 members of this forum don't like rap when Meat includes it in a song, and to the extent that it pulls the songs down to the bottom of your list. Certainly some of the 14/15 people liked it quite a lot.

Caryl

Voting is free. I cannot count votes of anybody who doesn't vote. So, sorry if it bad for you, but fans who voted kept rap songs the worst on the album...

Another interesting thing... Similarly to HCTB there is no red song on HIAHB. We keep Blind As A Bat as Meat's last big hit...

Personally I keep Song Of Madness a hit. ;-)

You can't argue with statistical analysis ... even the odd 10 for songs everyone else thinks are less than good can't skew the overall result ... :twisted: averages are averages ... :D

So presumably you'd dispute an election result you didn't like just because some of the electorate couldn't be bothered to get off their arse and vote ?

Statistical analysis is absolute and beyond debate, by definition, no matter how much you may, subjectively, 'dislike' the result ...

... the person that votes 1 is probably as 'unreasonable' as the person that votes 10, the whole point of averaging the scores is it evens out the more extreme views to arrive at a consensus ...

itd be nice if youd take the time and link each song to its corresponding thread. these threads are interesting reads and it cna be a chore to find them. Itd be nice if they were all in one place.

My post now makes no sense, as the post by BostonAngel I was responding to has now been deleted ...

I don't even know what post you are referring to.

We consider the Very Best of Meat Loaf to be a better album than Hang Cool Teddy Bear, Welcome to the Neighbourhood, Dead Ringer, Couldn't Have Said It Better and Bat out of Hell 3?

Really?

The Very Best Of wasn't a real album but it was under the name of Meat and had 3 songs. If you ask me these 3 songs are magnificent and I totally agree with the order. But I think Kiss should be a red song...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the songs, all three are brilliant. I just don't think it constitutes being on the list of our favourite ALBUMS, considering there's...three songs :lol:

:twisted: I'll have a natter to the staff :up:
I'm happy to do it, but I don't know if we want links to a lot of very old threads. It could be a database drain.

It's pretty revealing, but you can't fault the math :shrug:
I was surprised at some of the results myself.

Not really. If we linked them we souldn't open new threads to tell our opinion.

:twisted: Just want to be sure before I do all that work only to have R tearing at his hair screaming "my forum, what have you done to my beautiful forum" :lol:

:twisted: R has given the go ahead to do the links, so i'll be doing them as and when I can be bothered :mrgreen:

:twisted: Apparently I could be bothered because it's all finished :mrgreen:

One unexpected problem was that with all the links thrown in, the text within the post went over the allowed number of characters.

The only way around it was to hijack Michel's post below WOH's and put half of the albums there.

Reads well enough though :shrug: , and you can now go to the discussion thread for any song on any Meat album from the two posts :up: