I absolutely agree.

Why isn't Patti a part of the songwriting team? She's a great songwriter. I do hope that Meat's next album has some great duets w/ Patti that give her a chance to shine (unlike LBIL).

As for album sales, HCTB has not sold millions but it is still a creative success for Meat. To me, success is not determined by sales figures but by the quality of the work. With the right hit single, a Meat-Patti album might sell millions. It is impossible to predict. It depends on the song choices and the audience' response to the songs.

Can you have a wrong hit single?

If it was a creative success it would have sold millions. :shrug:

I agree with that, but they would need a good songwriter. Meat is surrounded by good ones as it is, but they have yet to pen something truly outstanding, that has the ability to top the charts in my opinion.

I'm probably going to get my balls chewed off for this but what the hell. A good songwriter probably isn't going to give Meat their best songs because they'll want a bigger pay cheque through royalties. A bigger pay cheque is only going to come through their song hitting it big time, which means someone who's more popular.

I wouldn't be so sure about the "not giving him their best songs part", that's a debate to nowhere if you ask me. Singles are like lottery tickets sometimes. A song that's crap can get to Number 1, and make a huge turnover. :shrug:

No it isn't, it might be a debate for another thread though. How many of the songs from HCTB were covers of old(er) songs?

They are all new aren't they? :?

depends what you mean by new

Please take the hint.

Back to topic please

You know they could easily make 75 minute compilation album if they wanted to using the four MSO songs with Meat and patti going at it (DRFL, Paradise, Testify, and AFL), CHSIB, Lie For You, Last Kiss, LOTO, and LBIL

:twisted: THat is a very UNexciting proposition :zzz:

It just wouldn't work Wario. AFL, Paradise, and I'd Lie for you, have been around the circuit many times before. LOTO and LBIL have only been released.

many albums with quality work have sold next to nothing or remain undiscovered by the large majority of music fans. what record companies react to is whether they can make money from it, be all and end all. they don't want to know what it took to make the album (emotionally) although if there's a handy non complicated story that they can tag on to an album to tug at the heartstrings of the public a little bit more that can drive sales then obviously it's going to be something they want to try.

Unless you have something like Robert Plant (who lets face it is one of the top 5 rock icons) & Alison Krauss releasing an album that gets the publics attention, it's a very tough thing to do a duet album. Chrissie Hynde recently released an album with a singer called JP Jones (they have an on/off relationship) and it's received mixed reviews.

I can't see a record company jumping for joy at idea of a Meat & Patti russo album and putting their backing and their money into it. Maybe an album with Meat and other established artists, like Slash has done recently, would be something to consider but who knows.

Meat did release an album entitled "Meat Loaf and Friends", but that only had Jim, Bonnie, and Ellen Foley if I can remember correctly. I haven't heard it in a few years (I owned a copy but it got broken). It was a compilation CD, but if they released an album with the same people, and had brand new songs on it that might work too. Patti would definitely be involved. To be fair Mike HCTB and Bat 3 had a lot of established artists involved, but I'm guessing you want more duets with the artists, and not just behind the scenes production work and songwriting? Which I'd agree with totally.

Jesus, talk about naive :facepalm: a CD was releases entitled "Meat Loaf And Friends" but it had sod all to do with Meat Loaf.

I know it had sod all to do with Meat Loaf. What I'm trying to say is if you had the same artists involved on a similar record, but had brand new songs instead, that would work my opinion. Have Meat Loaf, Ellen Foley, Patti, Jim, maybe Todd too, it would work better than just a Meat & Patti CD in my opinion.

I never suggested that Patti write the songs that Meat would sing on the album. I was referring to the songs that Patti would sing on the album. She has already CO-written numerous great songs. Maybe you don't think her songs are great, but I do. Maybe you don't think the HCTB songs are great, but I do.
How do you know that Meat rejected Patti's song for Bat 3? Meat has never said that.




Her talent is respected by more than just Meat Loaf fans. My sister first heard Patti's voice on TSO's "Beethoven's Last Night" album. My sister isn't a fan of Meat's music, but if Patti sings on an album, she buys it.

I don't always listen to Meat ;)

If an album was made to cater for your sister then great, especially if she's willing to buy a few thousand copies.

There are thousands more TSO fans impressed with her vocals on that album.


As for Bat 3, I doubt it was Meat who rejected Patti's song. Meat dislikes most of the non-Steinman songs on Bat 3, so he clearly didn't get to pick the songs for the album. It was probably Desmond Child's choice not to include her song.

as well they should be but it doesn't automatically mean those thousands will buy anything that's released of hers.

visions of posts of 'millions of Meat Loaf fans' suddenly rush back to me.

the hardest thing to get anyone to do nowadays os to spend money on things they don't need and I include record companies in that.

You have to have massive earning potential for even a consideration of an album being made. I'd love to see Patti go to an independent label and play the hell out of small venues, around the world, building herself up in the process but it's not easy. you've got to get the right agents, promoters and most important the demand from fans.

If it's not there you won't get anyone wanting to spend money on it. Pearl took a long time to be discovered and is only now starting to make a tiny, but potentially large, dent in the business. Kasim has been trying for years and doesn't do that badly at all for the small group (no offence) of support he has.

More recently i've seen that Marya Roxx, a name that will be familiar to a few here, has finally got a label to release her full album on but it's only the start in relation to fully making it.

A Meat Loaf and Patti Russo album is a nice idea but unlikely

The music business makes no sense. An excellent album like HCTB has lackluster sales. An excellent singer like Patti doesn't have a record deal. Meanwhile, Taylor Swift is selling out everywhere. I got stuck taking my little sister to her concert and she sounded awful live.

:twisted: Kasim is an excellent example.
He's been in the music business for years, he's a highly respected musician, yet he still goes on the road with Todd and, until recently, Meat.
Why?
Because it pays.
Millions of people know him, he has his own following, but he still doesn't have an album on a HMV shelf or a sell out concert at Wembley.
If he does a solo tour it's strictly of the small venue type.
And he's considered a success.

It's not easy for someone trying to make their way in the music business, especially when you do not fir the mold of what record companies are looking for.

Maybe Patti doesn't want to go solo, and she's happy with doing what she's doing right now. It's not anyones fault that she doesn't have a record deal. You have to push for that yourself and it's not easy. Taylor Swift did, and that's why she's having a lot success.

You only know that there'd be thousands if you'd spoken to thousands...have you spoken to thousands of TSO fans?....I don't think you have. Has Patti ever been on tour with TSO that has visually exposed her to thousands of TSO fans? If so it was 10 years ago.

Like I've said, I don't always listen to Meat ;)