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loaferman61 26 Oct 2012 15:19
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Originally Posted by lorenzoduke (Post 579010)
Politics and rock don't mix. Sad to see that Meat has abandoned this principle after standing by it for so long. I'd be saying that regardless of which candidate he endorsed. Music unites. Politics divides, and this is likely to divide his fanbase. A rock star telling people to get out and vote is one thing - a rock star telling people who they should vote for is quite another.

Meat's music has conveyed principles, emotions and values without relying on party politics the way many others have. I always considered that to be a great strength.

Meat Loaf, as a name, as a public person and as a performer, means something to the general public. I see no purpose to celebrity endorsement other than to make the traits associated with that celebrity associated with that particular political candidate. It ties them together, 'Think Meat Loaf, think Romney' or else what's the point?

Hell In A Handbasket proved Meat could convey his values without asking to pick sides. This just puts up a barrier between fans. At the risk of sounding rude, I'd wager that a ringing endorsement for one side or the other probably does more damage to Meat Loaf fandom than it does good for the candidate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...2012#Musicians

loaferman61 26 Oct 2012 15:25
Maybe people outside the US may not understand but it is in no way "cool" for a celebrity to endorse a conservative. It can cost them work because the entertainment industry with the possible exception of country music is almost entirely liberal. Meat has even mentioned this before. What Meat did was brave and he exercised his right and that should be IMO respected.

razorball2002 26 Oct 2012 15:33
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Originally Posted by loaferman61 (Post 579038)
Shall we list all the musicians who have openly supported Obama?
At least they have taste!

loaferman61 26 Oct 2012 15:34
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Originally Posted by razorball2002 (Post 579044)
At least they have taste!
I rest my case.

Dave 26 Oct 2012 15:39
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Originally Posted by loaferman61 (Post 579043)
Maybe people outside the US may not understand but it is in no way "cool" for a celebrity to endorse a conservative. It can cost them work because the entertainment industry with the possible exception of country music is almost entirely liberal. Meat has even mentioned this before. What Meat did was brave and he exercised his right and that should be IMO respected.
I totally agree with this statement. I am not only an American, but also live in the battleground swing state of Ohio, so trust me...I get it. Let me point you to an article on HuffPo about this very topic:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1858468.html

The Huffington Post is not conservative or Republican, and even they will openly state things are much more difficult for conservative people in the entertainment industry.

lorenzoduke 26 Oct 2012 15:43
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Originally Posted by loaferman61 (Post 579038)
Shall we list all the musicians who have openly supported Obama?
If you feel like there's any point, knock yourself out. Last I checked, this is a Meat Loaf forum.

If 'other people use their celebrity to tell people how to vote so Meat Loaf should too' is your justification, I must say I find it to be a pretty weak one. Other celebrities go on Celebrity Big Brother too. Other celebrities mime to backing tapes in their concerts. Other celebrities don't attract a mixed audience of young and old and men and women to the degree that Meat Loaf does. Other celebrities don't put as much effort into their shows as Meat Loaf does, and few attract such fanatical devotion from their audience.

I don't think there's anything brave or admirable about telling people how they should vote or acting like your status in music, TV, movies or anything else should sway them to your opinion. I find that to be pompous and ridiculous, whoever does it.

Dant27 26 Oct 2012 15:49
I wonder how the decision to perform at the rally sat with the rest of the band. We know Meat is a republican but having the full band there performing may have been a bit awkward for any of the members that don't share his views.

Jayd 26 Oct 2012 15:53
Cant stand that Mitt fella, seems a right clueless individual, Obama seems the right guy to carry on taking the US forward, but who ever Meat decides to back is his own decision, just wish back in 2010 just over half of the UK wasn't fooled by Clegg and Cameron, now that is a total mess

Dave 26 Oct 2012 16:01
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Originally Posted by Dant27 (Post 579049)
I wonder how the decision to perform at the rally sat with the rest of the band. We know Meat is a republican but having the full band there performing may have been a bit awkward for any of the members that don't share his views.
Why? It is a job, nothing more/nothing less. Back when I was in high school, we were required as part of band class to perform at rallies for both Democrat and Republican candidates. You go, you play...it is an honor no matter who the candidate is. You can perform without endorsing.

Jayd 26 Oct 2012 16:04
http://news.sky.com/story/1002978/me...nce-for-romney

some sky news stuff

anotherday 26 Oct 2012 16:05
I may not AGREE with Meats choice of endorsement....BUT That does NOT mean I stop supporting him as an ARTIST! He is still a kind, gentle, and very talented man. And no "endorsement" he makes will EVER change that!

loaferman61 26 Oct 2012 16:10
I wonder if Gene Simmons is catching :shit: over on the KISS board for endorsing Romney? I wonder if any Obama endorsers fans are giving them :shit: on their boards?

loaferman61 26 Oct 2012 16:12
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Originally Posted by anotherday (Post 579053)
I may not AGREE with Meats choice of endorsement....BUT That does NOT mean I stop supporting him as an ARTIST! He is still a kind, gentle, and very talented man. And no "endorsement" he makes will EVER change that!
Exactly, I'm still a Springsteen fan. Who he chooses to endorse does not bother me at all.

lorenzoduke 26 Oct 2012 16:14
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Originally Posted by loaferman61 (Post 579054)
I wonder if Gene Simmons is catching :shit: over on the KISS board for endorsing Romney? I wonder if any Obama endorsers fans are giving them :shit: on their boards?
If you care, go find out. This isn't a KISS forum.

I don't know why you keep bringing up that other artist's have endorsed candidates as if it hasn't already been addressed multiple times in this thread.

loaferman61 26 Oct 2012 16:18
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Originally Posted by lorenzoduke (Post 579056)
If you care, go find out. This isn't a KISS forum.
I realize that subtlety probably goes over your head, but I was pointing out about an artist catching crap from his own fans about a personal choice they have a right to do is somewhat amusing. I'm making a point about Meat Loaf fans on a Meat Loaf forum, sorry I was expecting not to have to hit anyone over the head with a hammer to make a point. Obviously that was wrong around here.

lorenzoduke 26 Oct 2012 16:30
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Originally Posted by loaferman61 (Post 579057)
I realize that subtlety probably goes over your head, but I was pointing out about an artist catching crap from his own fans about a personal choice they have a right to is somewhat amusing. I'm making a point about Meat Loaf fans on a Meat Loaf forum, sorry I was expecting not to have to hit anyone over the head with a hammer to make a point. Obviously that was wrong around here.
A point that you'd already made about 3 times and had already been responded to. Meat Loaf has a history of doing things differently than other artists. He has a history of not using his fame for political motives. This has changed, he has publicly endorsed a candidate and publicly endorsed the views that go along with that, and so people feel it is worthy of comment. Posting links to Wikipedia lists of other celebrities who have endorsed other candidates is redundant. Resorting to weak insults doesn't help either.

If Meat decided to release his own range of condoms and coffins and do his own scripted fly-on-the-wall reality show you could say 'Gene Simmons did that too, I wonder if Gene Simmons gets crap from KISS fans because blah blah blah...'

Your point seems to be 'other people do it, so it's okay for Meat Loaf to do it'. Well, it doesn't mean that he should, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't feel it's a bad decision and it doesn't mean that we can't have an opinion when he changes the way he's been handling his politics for 40 years.

loaferman61 26 Oct 2012 16:37
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Originally Posted by lorenzoduke (Post 579059)
A point that you'd already made about 3 times and had already been responded to. Meat Loaf has a history of doing things differently than other artists. He has a history of not using his fame for political motives. This has changed, he has publicly endorsed a candidate and publicly endorsed the views that go along with that, and so people feel it is worthy of comment. Posting links to Wikipedia lists of other celebrities who have endorsed other candidates is redundant. Resorting to weak insults doesn't help either.

Weak insults, like implying I did not know this was a Meat Loaf forum? As far as a point being responded to, how do we engage in a discussion if we can not answer once something has been responded to (often weakly). You don't like the wikipedia link don't read it, knock yourself out.

lorenzoduke 26 Oct 2012 16:43
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Originally Posted by loaferman61 (Post 579061)
Weak insults, like implying I did not know this was a Meat Loaf forum?
Pointing out that 'I wonder what Gene Simmons fans say about Gene Simmons on KISS forums' is not a relevant post for a Meat Loaf forum isn't an insult, it's common sense.

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Originally Posted by loaferman61 (Post 579061)
As far as a point being responded to, how do we engage in a discussion if we can not answer once something has been responded to (often weakly). You don't like the wikipedia link don't read it, knock yourself out.
You posted a link to politician-endorsing celebrities. I explained why I didn't feel like it was relevant. You ignored that, didn't respond to any of it and instead pointed out another politician-endorsing celebrity (Simmons) and then another one (Springsteen). That's not a response, it's ignoring what was said and just repeating yourself.

loaferman61 26 Oct 2012 16:51
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Originally Posted by lorenzoduke (Post 579062)
Pointing out that 'I wonder what Gene Simmons fans say about Gene Simmons on KISS forums' is not a relevant post for a Meat Loaf forum isn't an insult, it's common sense.



You posted a link to politician-endorsing celebrities. I explained why I didn't feel like it was relevant. You ignored that, didn't respond to any of it and instead pointed out another politician-endorsing celebrity (Simmons) and then another one (Springsteen). That's not a response, it's ignoring what was said and just repeating yourself.
It wasn't your post I posted it about. I just learned that I have a Hurricane to be concerned about (went from yellow advisory, to orange) so I will bid adieu. Best wishes to all East Coast loafers.

lorenzoduke 26 Oct 2012 16:52
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Originally Posted by loaferman61 (Post 579063)
It wasn't your post I posted it about. I just learned that I have a Hurricane to be concerned about (went from yellow advisory, to orange) so I will bid adieu. Best wishes to all East Coast loafers.
Stay safe.

GDW 26 Oct 2012 16:59
Forget the politics of it all. One thing that stands out from this clip is that Meat Loaf's vocals are bad. Even the most die hard Meat Loaf fan would have to realise this and I'm one of them.

anotherday 26 Oct 2012 17:28
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Originally Posted by GDW (Post 579065)
Forget the politics of it all. One thing that stands out from this clip is that Meat Loaf's vocals are bad. Even the most die hard Meat Loaf fan would have to realise this and I'm one of them.
It looks like he wasn't "mic"d up. Or whatever the things in your ears are. They were nowhere near what tehy were last week, I'll put it THAT way.

AndrewG 26 Oct 2012 17:31
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Originally Posted by anotherday (Post 579066)
It looks like he wasn't "mic"d up. Or whatever the things in your ears are. They were nowhere near what tehy were last week, I'll put it THAT way.
Earpiece?

He most certainly was mic-ed up.

anotherday 26 Oct 2012 17:32
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Originally Posted by AndrewG (Post 579067)
Earpiece?

He most certainly was mic-ed up.
Yeah, THAT! Sorry.

AndrewG 26 Oct 2012 17:37
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Originally Posted by GDW (Post 579065)
Forget the politics of it all. One thing that stands out from this clip is that Meat Loaf's vocals are bad. Even the most die hard Meat Loaf fan would have to realise this and I'm one of them.
Agreed.

And fair enough maybe he didn't have an earpiece so perhaps it was hard to get the right tune but I think there is more bad going on than just being out of tune. No doubt people will jump to his defence (which I don't think he needs or helps him) saying that he is more an actor than a singer now etc. But to me that makes no sense to send an actor to sing "America The Beautiful". If that was the case Clint Eastwood might as well have sung it alongside his stand up Barack Obama empty chair routine a few weeks ago. I actually think it would have sounded better, honestly. :?


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