Thanks for posting here Meat - looking forward to seeing you on the 17th November at Wembley

Thank you for explaining, Meat.

I somehow 'missed' the half-hearted-posting, so this was confusing for a while, but could not imagine Smedge saying someting like that.
I want to make that clear, since people here have meen mentioning his name, related to this.

But, now it is not so difficult for me to understand all this...

And yes, the show WILL be good!!!
Have a fantastic time in Germany, Friday the people in Halle will know what it's like when Meat Loaf rocks their town! Enjoy!

xxx

Mariella

Keep on rocking in a free world! 8)

I know the show will be good.

I hope to see you in The Netherlands soon.

You're the one and only rockstar. And don't you ever stop rocking, even when you are in a wheelchair ( Like on the lost boys tour, dance in my pants).

Hey Meat,

Im looking forward to saturday, when you proof again that you are the best !!!!

Rock Germany again, we will be there and we all love you !!!!!!!!!!

Never ever stop Rockin´

YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUSE!!!!! :wink: :wink: :P :P :P

Love you, MEAT
Eva

All right Eva, and 66% is a very good Song too :P :P :D :wink:

Meat, you're a class act!!

No, we're not kissing your ass. But everything you do shows how much you care about your craft and your fans .. so it's no surprise if we think the sun shines out :lol: .. and an absolute given that we love you too, and support you any way we can. When someone as special as you casts their bread on the waters it's bound to come back with butter and jam!

I haven't read the entire thread, but I have read Meat's post. I believe it is our job to listen and understand the artist by the way he/she presents him/herself through live shows and albums. I do not believe it is the artist's job to simply take requests.

Granted, I haven't been to a live show, but I have seen the set list and read some of the points of view. I look beyond it just being a bunch of songs just merely for a night out. It reveals something about Meat's personality I think. As an actor he doesn't just sing songs but chooses ones that are suitable for what he needs to happen inside his head when he sings - that's the way I've understood it but I'm not nearly as good as Meat so Meat is the best one to understand it.

I know FCOL is a song that many people have indicated in the past that they'd like Meat to perform, and his response (if I remember correctly), is that he finds that particular song difficult to approach from an actor's point of view because he can't find the right situation to perform it in. But he'll be performing it with the MSO so I believe he's done us a favour which he isn't necessarily doing for himself.

At the end of the day, I'm just grateful Meat has decided to grace us with what is one last time for many of us. I hope I will be able to see him IF he comes to New Zealand (I still don't know).

Meat, this post is well written from yourself. Has your attitude change over the last few days or something? You call me everyname under the sun in numerous PM's over the weekend, take digs at me for giving my opinion then turn around and say I should come to your show. What sort of person calls a someone an asshole, ~~~~er, stupid for giving their opinion that you don't agree with. What's the deal with that? The truth is you do play the same songs mosts nights, which I have said, that is not a lie. Surely you should know this, seeing as your the one singing the songs. If you had have read my original post about being half hearted properly, I said that I feel if the same songs are being played, the same jokes etc are being done, then It's a half hearted performance becuase no effort is being made into changing the shows. Nothing was said there about your vocal ability or your ability to pull of a great show. As you pointed out to me over the weekend, I am not an artist, I do not know what goes on inside your head (alot of anger), but what I do expect from an artist is someone who can take criticism. Do you treat every journalist/reviewer the way you treated me the weekend if they say something bad about you. I think not. As for where I am sitting for the gig in Dublin, I'll be in GA, with a big sign with'Winston' written on it, so you will be able to see me.

Meat
No ass kissing intended, what I and others are saying now is exactly what we said at the time here and elsewhere.
Unfortunately it suits those who disagree with our opinions to dismiss us as ass kissers, or sad obsessive individuals.
You music has taken me through a great swathe of my life, and I thank you for it.
I have always said that whilst we will all have favourite tracks we have to trust you(and i do) and the band to delivery what you feel you can achieve and what suits the current mix and blend needed.
I am lucky and will be attending a few UK concerts it has never bothered me one iota that the setlist may be the same as I will be in the minority, neither do I expect CD quality performance, that would be unrealistic for all of us. What I do know is you are an entertainer and you will deliver the best you can given the circumstances on each niht that is all I expect and need. I know that each night I'm going to be sitting(maybe) with one heck of a stupid grin on my face.

Thank you and God bless

Winston wrote:
But saying a set list is "crap" and suggesting Meat gives a half-hearted performance is the kind of criticism that Meat should not have to take lying down .. particularly as the jokes are NOT identical each time, nor are the shows. Some jokes will remain for a few shows .. some will be new each time .. the interaction with the audience will vary .. as does Meat's delivery of the songs. And the simple fact is that Meat NEVER gives a half-hearted performance. He himself is the first to admit when his performance falls short of the high standards he sets himself .. but the point is that this is never for want of effort. He DOES give every show his all, and if you can't see that you are in a very, very small minority.

Constructive and fair criticism is one thing .. but some of yours have been neither fair nor constructive. Any performer who works his socks off to give the best show he can would be upset by being told his set list is crap, his performance half-hearted, or having a tour dismissed as "The having fun and making money tour". Meat's an emotional human being for heaven's sake .. and it's this emotion which when harnessed on stage gives us the passionate delivery which is so outstanding and which makes him the enduringly popular artist he is. . And imo he deserves some sensitivity from his fans, because he is a human being and because he DOES give his all for us, and to suggest he doesn't must be just about the most hurtful thing anyone could say to this generous, hardworking and big-hearted man

Ok, everyone's entitled to their opinion - good or bad. But sometimes it's just the WAY you say something! Even the most hard hearted person has emotion somewhere :lol:

Cheer up, Meat. You know we all love you (well, most of us!)

love and hugs,
Louise xxx

As for Meat Loaf himself, he's a prince of a man-the genuine article...an incredible sense of humour with an acute eye and ear for rock n' roll theatre... I've never seen him refuse an autograph seeker or well-wisher, when they approach him... ever." Ray Anderson, former Meat Loaf musician.

Heat

This whole topic including meat's half hearted proformance was put to bed in the fight club, but Meat decided to go in and wake it up. I was just pointing out that it's not just people's opinions that can hurt meat, it's also their actions.

Thank you Bruce Springsteen for your support, it's good to have an ally on this board and God know I need all the allies I can get.

I would say if someone does not like to hear the same Songs on every Concert he just have to visit 1 !!!!!

But then he would wonder how much emotions are in THIS Conerts and he wishes to get to another.
And he would be very disapointed, if Meat does not play "bat" or "anything" and the next day where he is not there maybe would it play.
Than you were angry too, am i right ???

I repeat, i go to 3 Concerts in germany and others go to much more, and no one cares about what songs were singing !!!

The Shows are as how they are !!!!!

Keep Rockin´

Sigh:
to release a long deep audible breath, expressive of sadness, longing, tiredness or relief.
Dutch: zuchten
French: soupirer
German: seufzen
Italian: sospirare
Spanish: suspirar

I appreciate what your saying,but this is the thing Meat wants to talk about.Bringing up other arguments only confuses things,leads to off topic arguments,and takes the conversation a long way from where it's suposed to be (for instance,this post is hardly on topic :? ).
Maybe Meat doesn't know about Caryl's e card ,maybe he just doesn't want to talk about it,whatever,the point is if Meat wants to talk about it he will.This thread is the wrong place for it.If you wanna talk about it,you know where to find it.


I for one find this VERY disturbing :? .Talk of allies?This is a fan site,not a war zone.Setting up factions will drive fans apart rather than pulling them closer together :( .Agree or disagree with a point of view.Not with a person simply on principal.


Right.In an attempt to get this thing back on topic (and keep it out of Fight Club),I'm gonna see you at three shows during the tour Meat and i'm looking forward to each and every one :D .
If the set list is still the same i'm still more than happy just to see the master at work 8) .

Meat, I clearly remember you making up your own truth to me on Saturday about Bruce Springsteen. So it's alright for you tell tales then is it???

Words that say it all Bart - Rock on Meat

Hi! I hope you guys don't mind my jumping in here to go back to the earlier discussion that the same setlist, jokes, etc. for a Meat Loaf tour means a half-hearted performance. I'm in a very different time zone, so I'm just catching up on the thread.

Now, I realize that going to a live concert and that experience is different for each of us. So, I can't speak to how any of you feel or what you see when you're there. I can only speak to my own feelings. If people want to agree or disagree, that's okay with me.

Before I thought I was ever going to get to see Meat perform live, I began to collect every live performance that I could get my hands on, including audience recordings. I figured this was my best and only chance to hear what his concerts were like.

Over a period of time, I have collected a lot of them. Some are from the exact same tours and so they have the same set lists.

But what I found, when I listened to them for the first few times, was that they were NOT the same. We all know that it is not "Meat" up there singing to us, but the characters he creates, who come forward to sing the songs. And we all know that he describes himself as an actor--NOT a singer because this is his technique for performing.

These characters have something different to say to us every night or they choose to say what they have to say in a different way.

I've got to give an example here and I hope everyone won't mind.

Here is a small part of Bat, as it was performed in Cologne early in the year and broadcast on German radio: Please, everyone listen to it before going on to the next part of the post.

Bat out of Hell: Cologne

No matter how many times Meat sings that song, that section of Bat will NEVER be sung in exactly the same way!!!! This is what the character wanted/needed to say to us that evening!!

Now, if you don't believe me, or have never listened to the subtle (sometimes NOT subtle) differences before, here is the same section performed in 2002 in Leeds:

Bat out of Hell: Leeds

It will never again be sung THAT way, either!!

And so, this is how I, personally, came to truly appreciate Meat and his way of performing. And once you move to watching an actual Live performance, well, the differences between shows are enormous!! Same songs in many cases, but the way Meat and the band perform them is different every single time!

The jokes don't bother me. I have never heard an audience which did not laugh at them!! Jokes are jokes; comedians do the same ones again and again and they're still funny. It's the delivery which makes the difference and that's never the same.

Banter with the crowds is certainly always different. It HAS to be. None of us ever know what he's going to say to some heckler or when something unusual happens during the course of a show...

But as for the songs, I can never be bored listening to these recordings. No matter how many times I hear them, I always find something new that I had not heard before. And I certainly was never bored or dissatisfied at either of the 2 concerts from the Friends tour we got to see, nor the 4 shows from this Final World Tour we were fortunate enough to attend last summer!! Every single one was different, although the playlist per tour, was very much the same!!

And yes, there are songs that Meat MUST sing every time, because people love them so much, they demand it!!! Bat, Paradise, AFL, Took the Words, Two out of Three--people would be extremely unhappy not to have heard their favorite songs performed!! It's that way with every performer, who has a following and has songs which have become big hits.

I think it is a testament to Meat's creative genius (and I don't use those words lightly) to be able to keep a song like Bat, for instance, fresh and different each and every time he's sung it for OVER 25 YEARS!! (Can you imagine how many times that must be by now??! Amazing!) That doesn't just happen by accident. And I think it's phenomenal!!

Anyway, these are my thoughts on why I've never found Meat's shows to be half-hearted, no matter what the set list is. The ones I've seen and heard, he's always given everything he has--and more!!

Thanks for listening.

Love and peace, 8)
MB
xxx

You are right MB. Not everyone will have the same experience at a live concert. I personally would be extremely upset if I didn't hear my favorites like Paradise, 2 Outta 3, etc. It is really hard to change the setlist when so many people want to hear the classics and you only have so much time to do your set.
I cannot belive that there is talk of having allies here. We are all fans and we all have an opinion which we are free to share. It wouldn't be much fun if we all had the same one but it seems that not only are opinions being shared but specific people are being singled out for whatever reason. Certain topics have been laid to rest, why can't they be left there. I don't see the point in beating a dead horse.

"I'm sorry" to Smeghead, Meat, folks on this threa
 

I'm sorry for not having my facts straight and muddying the waters. When I read Smeghead's post over there, I started out reading, then skimmed the rest when I decided (personal opinion) it was unfair; then later just ASSUMED it was the post with the "half hearted" comment because Meat himself was, at that time, unhappy with Smeghead. Never "assume," right? Thought I had learned that a long time ago - maybe I've got it now.
-Kathy

Excuse me for butting in here, but it's Cologne not Kologne. :p :))