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glamourgirl 05 Dec 2011 16:48
That was brilliant! Meat & Patti sounded fantastic and the band was great too. I hope they perform this medley for the US/Canadian promo too. Hats off to Patti for giving up her SAS show to perform with Meat. It was an awesome performance!

chairboys 05 Dec 2011 16:49
Quote:
Originally Posted by melon (Post 560557)
I've been away fro cricket
Winning?

BATOUTOFHEAVEN 05 Dec 2011 16:56
Listen to yourselves people!! There really is no pleasing some of you. Meat did a great performance. So let's just leave it at that because I'm sure if Meat had been lip-syncing he would have told us. So just forget about whether he lip-synced and focus on what a great job Meat did and I thoroughly enjoyed it! I know it's an old cliche but he certainly rolled back the years!!

melon 05 Dec 2011 17:04
Quote:
Originally Posted by chairboys (Post 560559)
Winning?
Not as much as we would have liked :evil:

glamourgirl 05 Dec 2011 19:19
Has this interview been posted yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQCBY...layer_embedded

chairboys 05 Dec 2011 19:22
Quote:
Originally Posted by glamourgirl (Post 560566)
Has this interview been posted yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQCBY...layer_embedded
Yes!! Somewhere. But it is definitely worth watching.

robgomm 05 Dec 2011 20:08
So I just watched this recording in HD (720p), and there's just no way this was lip synced. Sorry but every single word was on time, 100% perfect lip sync if it was which is virtually impossible, and that fact including the ad lib and the obviously live sounding vocals anyway convinces me 100%.

Don't see how anyone can say otherwise and i'm upset that this was even brought up, some of you just seem to want to find some way to bring down Meat every time he does something good. You over analyse and nit pick, which is really quite sad.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RieYk...&feature=share

ShelbyLee 05 Dec 2011 20:40
Quote:
Originally Posted by unbekannt (Post 560421)
If you wanna see the kisses:
YouTube Video
Thanks for posting this video and thanks also for the interview link.

This is an amazing performance. Meat, Patti and the guys should be very proud. I think Thomas is in love with Patti. ;)

Moonlight shadow 05 Dec 2011 20:42
Only one thing:
With 63 years old, I think is impossible make so good (supossing it was lip synched).
Years ago, in each perfomance maked in lip synched, he got at least one error.
But in this time, has been perfect.
Lip or no lip s. congratulations Meat!!!

It has been fantastic.
Magnifica actuacion GRACIAS!!

lyn 05 Dec 2011 20:45
After watching his performance, he did not lip sync at all. Compare it to his live dvd performances and you will easily see that this performance was all Meat and nothing lip synched. You know, there seems to be no pleasing some of his fans on the forum at all. The worst part is that Meat comes on here to read stuff and to share, and yet we have this negative rot displayed!!!:(:mad: Wasn't it enough when Meat copped flack about his performance in Australia, without saying that his performance in Germany was lip synched??? Come on guys, fair go!!!

Oh and to add to that, I thought his performance was brilliant! :D Nothing short of perfection :D And Patti and the band also performed brilliantly too :D

Sarge 05 Dec 2011 21:03
So some people suspect Meat Loaf lip-synced on TV - something many artists have done before. Oh, what an audacity! How dare they say that? Those who feel offended by this obviously missed his previous appearances on that show. Neither is lip-synching on TV something to be ashamed of nor is favoring live vocals over a tape offensive.

I regret having started this thread. The same bullshit again and again. You post info on something fans might be interested in and sooner or later something someone has said is (ab)used as a pretext to start the same old "good fan / bad fan" argument. You can't even discuss a performance on an entertainment show without a certain group of people getting personal and trying to dictate who is allowed to voice their opinion and who is not. :down: This is as equally sad and annoying as the stupid anti-Wetten, dass..?/anti-Gottschalk comments I read on German websites.

I'd rather read ten pages about the flower box Meat handed to Thomas or about Karl Lagerfeld's gloves and trousers than watch another thread that started out interesting derail and go to the dogs.

wizardofodd 05 Dec 2011 21:04
If Meat reads this i hope it takes it positively, the real fact is the reason why people are debating if it is Lip Sync is the fact it was an absolutely vocally tremendous performance. I dont really know it its lip sync, if it is then it is probably one of the best lip syncs i have ever seen- and probably means it was rehearsed to death which we must give him credit for. At the end of the day it was a great performance both vocally and production wise and a great stage with a large audience, exactly what he needed. Very happy for him.

lyn 05 Dec 2011 21:16
Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardofodd (Post 560577)
If Meat reads this i hope it takes it positively, the real fact is the reason why people are debating if it is Lip Sync is the fact it was an absolutely vocally tremendous performance. I dont really know it its lip sync, if it is then it is probably one of the best lip syncs i have ever seen- and probably means it was rehearsed to death which we must give him credit for. At the end of the day it was a great performance both vocally and production wise and a great stage with a large audience, exactly what he needed. Very happy for him.
I think for the little time he had available to him he wouldn't had enough time to practice to lip synch that to the quality he performed it. Yes some may say that he did, and some don't agree. But all in all it was a marvelous show.

Yes we all start threads or post different views, but we must realise some posts are going to get negative responses. But hey, we are all here to talk about Meat and support Meat, and at the end of the day, that is all that matters ;) :)

PanicLord 05 Dec 2011 21:32
What I don't understand about this is that I haven't seen any negativity or rot. Every single post has given glowing reviews of Meat's performance as far as I can tell. I don't see how simply wondering whether it was partly lip synched is offensive, given that, even if some of it was lip synched, we all seem to agree that it is a commonly used and harmless practice.

It was a terrific performance and a great start to the promo in Germany.

Amen.

lyn 05 Dec 2011 21:34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 560576)
So some people suspect Meat Loaf lip-synced on TV - something many artists have done before. Oh, what an audacity! How dare they say that? Those who feel offended by this obviously missed his previous appearances on that show. Neither is lip-synching on TV something to be ashamed of nor is favoring live vocals over a tape offensive.

I regret having started this thread. The same bullshit again and again. You post info on something fans might be interested in and sooner or later something someone has said is (ab)used as a pretext to start the same old "good fan / bad fan" argument. You can't even discuss a performance on an entertainment show without a certain group of people getting personal and trying to dictate who is allowed to voice their opinion and who is not. :down: This is as equally sad and annoying as the stupid anti-Wetten, dass..?/anti-Gottschalk comments I read on German websites.

I'd rather read ten pages about the flower box Meat handed to Thomas or about Karl Lagerfeld's gloves and trousers than watch another thread that started out interesting derail and go to the dogs.
Well Sarge you did start this thread, and I give you credit for that. But did you really expect to get just boring or positive responses all the way through? Yes we all have our views lol, and we all follow Meat and discuss everything Meat here, but you post anything regarding his performance whether it is positive or negative then you have to expect some backlash.

But regardless of what we all think, at the end of the day his performance at Wetten Dass was great and the band performed really well :D Meat look well rested, and All of Me, well it will sound great in his live concerts imo :D

BATOUTOFHEAVEN 05 Dec 2011 21:35
I knew it wasn't lip synced and I knew it would be a great performance. Meat, when you read this please forget about all the other comments and if anything take it in a positive way because you rocked and some small minded people don't believe that a 64 year old can do that. Well I think those people need reminding that Meat ain't no ordinary 64 year old, he could out sing many singers half his age and he don't need to lip-sync to put on a great vocal performance. Keep rocking Meat because no one rocks as good as you!!!!!!!!!!!

Wario 05 Dec 2011 21:40
the majority isnt lip synched (Notice emat's new posture? hes not walking around the stage, its more reminiscent of his 1987-1993 posture). only a few bits of AOM are, as its pitched down to fit the tempo of the live instruments. relax people

lyn 05 Dec 2011 21:41
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyn (Post 560580)
Well Sarge you did start this thread, and I give you credit for that. But did you really expect to get just boring or positive responses all the way through? Yes we all have our views lol, and we all follow Meat and discuss everything Meat here, but you post anything regarding his performance whether it is positive or negative then you have to expect some backlash.

But regardless of what we all think, at the end of the day his performance at Wetten Dass was great and the band performed really well :D Meat look well rested, and All of Me, well it will sound great in his live concerts imo :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by PanicLord (Post 560579)
What I don't understand about this is that I haven't seen any negativity or rot. Every single post has given glowing reviews of Meat's performance as far as I can tell. I don't see how simply wondering whether it was partly lip synched is offensive, given that, even if some of it was lip synched, we all seem to agree that it is a commonly used and harmless practice.

It was a terrific performance and a great start to the promo in Germany.

Amen.
Ok I respect your response on that, but whether he lip synched or not, none of us will know. The negative is the fact that some of us are saying that Meat did. Yes it may be a common thing to do in perfomances, but to say that Meat has partly done it or done it for the whole performance is probably not the right thing to say here imo. Yes he might not be too phased to read this thread, but I don't think he'd like reading this either, if you understand what I mean. Like he might think we are kind of knocking his live act etc.

Anyway, I agree, it was a terrific performance and that everybody will be in for a real treat when he goes on tour again ;) :D

lyn 05 Dec 2011 21:45
Quote:
Originally Posted by BATOUTOFHEAVEN (Post 560581)
I knew it wasn't lip synced and I knew it would be a great performance. Meat, when you read this please forget about all the other comments and if anything take it in a positive way because you rocked and some small minded people don't believe that a 64 year old can do that. Well I think those people need reminding that Meat ain't no ordinary 64 year old, he could out sing many singers half his age and he don't need to lip-sync to put on a great vocal performance. Keep rocking Meat because no one rocks as good as you!!!!!!!!!!!
Couldn't of agreed with you more there. :) You look at the live performance on Wetten Das and compare it to his live performance with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, and there is no lip synching. Meat isn't a performer like that at all.

Anyway Meat, your performance was nothing short of brilliant!

lyn 05 Dec 2011 21:48
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyn (Post 560584)
Couldn't of agreed with you more there. :) You look at the live performance on Wetten Das and compare it to his live performance with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, and there is no lip synching. Meat isn't a performer like that at all.

Anyway Meat, your performance was nothing short of brilliant!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wario (Post 560582)
the majority isnt lip synched (Notice emat's new posture? hes not walking around the stage, its more reminiscent of his 1987-1993 posture). only a few bits of AOM are, as its pitched down to fit the tempo of the live instruments. relax people
Don't entirely agree with you there on the lip synch thing Wario, but yes, I did notice the new posture, which works ok imo :D

stretch37 05 Dec 2011 21:49
You Guys need to chill out. No ones trying to be negative, stop telling me I am or anyone else who suggested some of it was lip synced possibly. Its ~~~~ing annoying.

Meat did fantastic, the mix and the production were so great. If anything it's a time to celebrate. Don't pick on people just because of their opinion. It's not fair. These are discussion forums. key word discussion

And don't tell me there's "no pleasing me". Don't put words in my mouth. I am very happy with the show and I am ~~~~ing pleased with it! It means the world to me how good it went. I know you people are upset and defensive for meat, but in this case you are actually doing the bullying! And I am on your side for ~~~~ sakes. Sick of this shit on these forums it's annoying as hell!

BATOUTOFHEAVEN 05 Dec 2011 21:51
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyn (Post 560584)
Couldn't of agreed with you more there. :) You look at the live performance on Wetten Das and compare it to his live performance with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, and there is no lip synching. Meat isn't a performer like that at all.

Anyway Meat, your performance was nothing short of brilliant!
People seem to forget that HIAHB had no voice effects and so even his live performances of those songs will sound similar to the studio versions, don't mean he's lip syncing. :cool:

lyn 05 Dec 2011 21:55
Anyway, what does it really matter??? Meat is a bloody brilliant performer and his performance was perfection at it's best! :D So in my eyes that is all that matters here ;) :D

lyn 05 Dec 2011 21:58
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShelbyLee (Post 560573)
Thanks for posting this video and thanks also for the interview link.

This is an amazing performance. Meat, Patti and the guys should be very proud. I think Thomas is in love with Patti. ;)
It was a brilliant performance that is for sure :D It would have been great to be part of the crowd that was there to watch it :D

BATOUTOFHEAVEN 05 Dec 2011 21:58
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyn (Post 560588)
Anyway, what does it really matter??? Meat is a bloody brilliant performer and his performance was perfection at it's best! :D So in my eyes that is all that matters here ;) :D
CHSIB although there must be a more powerful word than perfection ;)

loaferman61 05 Dec 2011 21:59
Does not matter a bit to me if it was live or not. Meat was on a huge television show and hit a home run. No media controversy, no jokes at his expense. He showed all the nay-sayers they could go do those "three little words" and that is good enough for me. I pray the DVD sounds as good to watch in all its blu-ray, surround-sound goodness.

lyn 05 Dec 2011 22:03
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyn (Post 560584)
Couldn't of agreed with you more there. :) You look at the live performance on Wetten Das and compare it to his live performance with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, and there is no lip synching. Meat isn't a performer like that at all.

Anyway Meat, your performance was nothing short of brilliant!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BATOUTOFHEAVEN (Post 560587)
People seem to forget that HIAHB had no voice effects and so even his live performances of those songs will sound similar to the studio versions, don't mean he's lip syncing. :cool:
That's exactly right mate, there was no voice affects on HIAHB at all. So they can't be said to be lip synched when done live either :cool:;):D

Sarge 05 Dec 2011 22:05
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyn (Post 560580)
But did you really expect to get just boring or positive responses all the way through?
Is it possible that you misunderstood my post?

Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch37 (Post 560586)
Don't pick on people just because of their opinion. It's not fair. These are discussion forums. key word discussion
I'll remind you of that post next time you complain about "whining" people who "pick" on Meat or favor Meat giving someone "a bit of a beating" for having the "wrong" opinion. :twisted:

lyn 05 Dec 2011 22:08
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyn (Post 560593)
That's exactly right mate, there was no voice affects on HIAHB at all. So they can't be said to be lip synched when done live either :cool:;):D
Quote:
Originally Posted by loaferman61 (Post 560591)
Does not matter a bit to me if it was live or not. Meat was on a huge television show and hit a home run. No media controversy, no jokes at his expense. He showed all the nay-sayers they could go do those "three little words" and that is good enough for me. I pray the DVD sounds as good to watch in all its blu-ray, surround-sound goodness.
Couldn't have said it better myself mate! :D Hey I can't wait until his new dvd comes out :D Is there any word on when it may come out?

I've only just got his live dvd with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, and it is brilliant :D

lyn 05 Dec 2011 22:13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 560594)
Is it possible that you misunderstood my post?



I'll remind you of that post next time you complain about "whining" people who "pick" on Meat or favor Meat giving someone "a bit of a beating" for having the "wrong" opinion. :twisted:
I might have slightly misunderstood your post Sarge, and maybe I was a bit harsh to an extent but I will stand by my opinion ;)

As for the other quote here, I'm not even going to touch or respond to mate out of respect :)

duke knooby 05 Dec 2011 22:14
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyn (Post 560596)
Couldn't have said it better myself
i can almost feel a get back to the topic warning appearing... but as usual i wont help matters

please enjoy this performance meat did in 2003 to promote his then new single

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHM5D1efQb8

you can decide for yourselves, was it lip synched? was it live? was it an excellent performance? would it help promote the album?

etc etc

or who cares... enjoy it or not :twisted:

lyn 05 Dec 2011 22:17
Quote:
Originally Posted by BATOUTOFHEAVEN (Post 560590)
CHSIB although there must be a more powerful word than perfection ;)
He he he, now that my friend is so true ;) :)

Sarge 05 Dec 2011 22:21
Quote:
Originally Posted by duke knooby (Post 560598)
you can decide for yourselves, was it lip synched? was it live?
It's blocked in my country, so I suspect it's not live. ;)

lyn 05 Dec 2011 22:23
Quote:
Originally Posted by BATOUTOFHEAVEN (Post 560590)
CHSIB although there must be a more powerful word than perfection ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by duke knooby (Post 560598)
i can almost feel a get back to the topic warning appearing... but as usual i wont help matters

please enjoy this performance meat did in 2003 to promote his then new single

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHM5D1efQb8

you can decide for yourselves, was it lip synched? was it live? was it an excellent performance? would it help promote the album?

etc etc

or who cares... enjoy it or not :twisted:
I remember watching this clip, and it was a brilliant performance too :D Just love this song :) Thanks for sharing those, and regardless to what our opinions are on the lip synch thing, this clip you have shared here plus the live performance in Germany was simply brilliant, and our man Rock 'n' rolls well ;) :)

ShelbyLee 05 Dec 2011 22:24
It's a magnificent performance! I'm so proud of Meat, Patti and the band.

duke knooby 05 Dec 2011 22:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 560600)
It's blocked in my country, so I suspect it's not live. ;)
thats cheating...


try this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfu376BXYE

Sarge 05 Dec 2011 22:26
Blocked as well. :))

duke knooby 05 Dec 2011 22:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyn (Post 560602)
I remember watching this clip, and it was a brilliant performance too :D Just love this song :) Thanks for sharing those, and regardless to what our opinions are on the lip synch thing, this clip you have shared here plus the live performance in Germany was simply brilliant, and our man Rock 'n' rolls well ;) :)
you'll remember it was the lottery show then, not top of the pops as the clip says :-)

lyn 05 Dec 2011 22:29
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShelbyLee (Post 560603)
It's a magnificent performance! I'm so proud of Meat, Patti and the band.
So true lol ;) :)

duke knooby 05 Dec 2011 22:33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 560606)
Blocked as well. :))
and synched aswell (i think)... pretty standard for tv promo performances

(not saying wetten dass was or wasn't cause i was not there)

just showing its not always possible to sing live on a live tv show no matter who you are, or how good you are performing

(and i hope meat doesnt read this thread and think that people think he's not a good enough actor to synch perfectly to his own songs :twisted:)

^^^ only messin :D

duke knooby 05 Dec 2011 22:43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 560606)
Blocked as well. :))
try this one then, last one... i promise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy42MorLegs

Sarge 05 Dec 2011 23:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by duke knooby (Post 560613)
try this one then, last one... i promise
I can watch it, they must have missed this one. :lawl: Sounds like this to me. ;) That was the time when I went to my first (and best) Meat Loaf concert, seems to be long ago...

Deena J 05 Dec 2011 23:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by loaferman61
I pray the DVD sounds as good to watch in all its blu-ray, surround-sound goodness.
Sigh, ok you are REALLY making me hate the idea of waiting for the DVD to come out... And I already am past impatient for it. Thanks a lot! :P LOL Just kidding! ;)

PS: I know the DVD will be a-maz-ing!!!!!! :D I can just feel it...

snider22 06 Dec 2011 02:12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 560606)
Blocked as well. :))
I know this is off topic, but why are so many videos blocked in your part of the world :??:

Sarge 06 Dec 2011 02:24
Quote:
Originally Posted by snider22 (Post 560626)
[...] why are so many videos blocked in your part of the world :??:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/03/te...03youtube.html

Deena J 06 Dec 2011 02:29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
Thanks for the info/link. I had been wondering the same thing lately. I hate that for y'all though. :-/

carole 06 Dec 2011 03:52
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Originally Posted by CarylB (Post 560546)
Well you might of course be much better informed and knowledgeable than some of us .. but I think being a fan means that you delight in a great performance, in hearing great vocals, in seeing Meat's delight. To me that's not naive .. simply positive, supportive, and one of those fans who actually ENJOYS hearing and watching the performer they follow. It was HIS voice, and some of us take our simple pleasures in that.



Why? They are entitled to make their own assumptions, just as you make yours (I suspect you weren't on the set or the soundboard, so you too are making an assumption based on what you consider to be the evidence). And if anyone wants to express what they think, and that happens (heaven forfend) to be at odds with your view, they are entitled to say what they think ..

Meat appeared on Wetten Das. He was great, and if some of us find that exciting so be it. I think it's terrific to be a fan who DOES get excited by seeing and hearing the performer I follow, simply enjoys it, doesn't need to examine it and dissect it, but can simply take pleasure in it and celebrate.

Caryl
That's exactly right Caryl, I just enjoyed seeing Meat on TV again and thought he did brilliantly.

Carole

carole 06 Dec 2011 03:55
Quote:
Originally Posted by robgomm (Post 560551)
In my opinion for what it's worth the whole thing was live vocals. All Of Me was live vocals in my view because there was an ad lib that was different from the record.

I find it hard to believe that Meat would be able to lip sync the whole performance THAT perfectly, even the ad libs, if it was it was the best mime in history. Just like someone who said Lady Gaga lip synced at Children In Need when it was so obvious she didn't. The signs are there if you look hard enough that it's live, and I saw enough to convince me.
Yeah, I noticed that too, I started to sing the line on the record, but he sang a different line.

Carole

CarylB 06 Dec 2011 04:52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 560576)
I regret having started this thread. The same bullshit again and again. You post info on something fans might be interested in and sooner or later something someone has said is (ab)used as a pretext to start the same old "good fan / bad fan" argument.
Really? I missed it if anyone referred to "good", "bad" or the bizarre term "real" fans. Some were dismissed as naive for holding a different view (which I'd say was "personal" and is likely to provoke a response).

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You can't even discuss a performance on an entertainment show without a certain group of people getting personal and trying to dictate who is allowed to voice their opinion and who is not ...
Dictating is rather a strong term I think. If it's OK for some to present their opinions, surely it's permissable for others to disagree and venture to post their opposing view?

If not, then who shall dictate which view may be presented as fact which all others must accept, and which view is "getting personal"? Who shall dictate which is the group that is allowed to state an opinion, and which will be the "certain group" who presumably may not?

Caryl

lyn 06 Dec 2011 05:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by carole (Post 560629)
That's exactly right Caryl, I just enjoyed seeing Meat on TV again and thought he did brilliantly.

Carole
Yes Carole, I couldn't agree with Caryl more luv :) I absolutely loved watching it, and I just had that feeling of weakness in the knees and the flutter in the heart when watching it too.

I don't care what anybody says or assumes about whether he lip synched or not. Meat done me proud and his fans. I love his music and really love just listening to him everyday. I don't think he's an artist to lip synch at all, but if he said he did, well I'd love him regardless because of his sheer bloody brilliance.

But no one will convince me of it and unless Meat comes on here and says "hey guys I lip synched that performance". No amount of clips posted will convince me otherwise. That my friends is how much love and faith I have in this beautiful guy :) :D ;)

lyn 06 Dec 2011 05:54
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyn (Post 560633)
Yes Carole, I couldn't agree with Caryl more luv :) I absolutely loved watching it, and I just had that feeling of weakness in the knees and the flutter in the heart when watching it too.

I don't care what anybody says or assumes about whether he lip synched or not. Meat done me proud and his fans. I love his music and really love just listening to him everyday. I don't think he's an artist to lip synch at all, but if he said he did, well I'd love him regardless because of his sheer bloody brilliance.

But no one will convince me of it and unless Meat comes on here and says "hey guys I lip synched that performance". No amount of clips posted will convince me otherwise. That my friends is how much love and faith I have in this beautiful guy :) :D ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CarylB (Post 560631)
Really? I missed it if anyone referred to "good", "bad" or the bizarre term "real" fans. Some were dismissed as naive for holding a different view (which I'd say was "personal" and is likely to provoke a response).



Dictating is rather a strong term I think. If it's OK for some to present their opinions, surely it's permissable for others to disagree and venture to post their opposing view?

If not, then who shall dictate which view may be presented as fact which all others must accept, and which view is "getting personal"? Who shall dictate which is the group that is allowed to state an opinion, and which will be the "certain group" who presumably may not?

Caryl
I certainly back that Caryl ;) :)

We should all expect that when one posts a thread, such as this one, of course there is going to be different views, and yes people may not like what someone else has had to say, but it is all part of the forum.

As for the topic here, well feathers are bound to be ruffled. I know mine have been, but I'm standing up for my view, and if people agree or disagree with that, well that is your call ;)

The Wetten Dass performance, as I've said earlier, was nothing short of brilliant, and I don't think it was lip synched at all. But the best part was that I BLOODY ENJOYED IT TO THE FULL! I can't get enough of Meat right now :D I can't wait until his Sydney dvd comes out either :D All in all he means a lot to me, and that is all that matters in my life at the moment, other than my hubby and daughter of course ;) :)

Elijah's way 06 Dec 2011 06:24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 560616)
I can watch it, they must have missed this one. :lawl: Sounds like this to me. ;) That was the time when I went to my first (and best) Meat Loaf concert, seems to be long ago...
Ozzy Loaf :lol:

Sarge 06 Dec 2011 07:41
@ Caryl: You probably didn't read some posts on this thread carefully enough and missed the way they are worded.

CarylB 06 Dec 2011 09:43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge (Post 560638)
@ Caryl: You probably didn't read some posts on this thread carefully enough
Priceless .. :lol: Thank you.

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... and missed the way they are worded.
I suspect I have missed, ie fundamentally dis-agreed with, the way you have interpreted them

Caryl

robgomm 06 Dec 2011 09:46
Err can we stop posting links to obviously mimed previous performances. It's pointless and it's easy to tell they were lip synced.

Shall I tell you a BIG clue which everyone seems to have missed? The earpiece in the ear. If he's got it in it's so he can hear himself so he's singing live. On Wetten Das the earpiece was in, on the old videos posted the earpiece wasn't in. I rest my case. So can everyone please stop now with this daft discussion.

chairboys 06 Dec 2011 10:15
Just read all the posts from last night on this 'controversial' subject.
I was really giggling to myself at the intensity of everyone's views.
But, by the end of it all I was beginning to feel as though we are going round in circles.
As has been said before, just about everybody is in agreement that it was an excellent performance. And I really don't care either way about the "liveness" of it all.
Just one thing though, Rob. Perhaps the earpiece was just a fake prop to fool us?

robgomm 06 Dec 2011 10:33
Quote:
Originally Posted by chairboys (Post 560645)
Just one thing though, Rob. Perhaps the earpiece was just a fake prop to fool us?
Oh ha ha very funny, I can tell when you're on a windup lol

chairboys 06 Dec 2011 10:38
Quote:
Originally Posted by robgomm (Post 560646)
Oh ha ha very funny, I can tell when you're on a windup lol
never

Mr. Happy 06 Dec 2011 13:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by robgomm (Post 560643)
Shall I tell you a BIG clue which everyone seems to have missed? The earpiece in the ear. If he's got it in it's so he can hear himself so he's singing live. On Wetten Das the earpiece was in, on the old videos posted the earpiece wasn't in. I rest my case. So can everyone please stop now with this daft discussion.
Even if it was lip synced, it's still entirely possible that he would have used the earpiece. He still has to hear the song to know when to mime, and when you're on a stage like that, hearing what's going on isn't as easy as it sounds :P By that logic, what's the point of having the guitarist play the guitar when there's a backing track being used anyway? ;)

I don't think it was lip synced, anyway. And that's because at the very start of Anything For Love, you can clearly see Paul reach up and retune the E string of his guitar down to drop D. If it was a backing track, that would have been 100% unnecessary, because it would have been impossible for anyone to tell the difference anyway.

*Ends daft discussion*

All that matters is that it was an awesome performance (regardless of whether it was lip synced or not) and we didn't have a repeat of the AFL. AND, on top of that, HiaHB charted well in Germany because of it :D

SueL 06 Dec 2011 13:59
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Originally Posted by BATOUTOFHEAVEN (Post 560590)
CHSIB although there must be a more powerful word than perfection ;)
Impeccable? :??::D

TheDoode 06 Dec 2011 14:02
That was a really good performance - it did exactly what it was supposed to do: engage the audience with some classics, and showcase a great new track from the new album. Vocals nicely done at the end of AFL, too. But my God, it's time to get the conditioner out Meat!

SueL 06 Dec 2011 14:40
Quote:
Originally Posted by robgomm (Post 560643)
Err can we stop posting links to obviously mimed previous performances. It's pointless and it's easy to tell they were lip synced.

Shall I tell you a BIG clue which everyone seems to have missed? The earpiece in the ear. If he's got it in it's so he can hear himself so he's singing live. On Wetten Das the earpiece was in, on the old videos posted the earpiece wasn't in. I rest my case. So can everyone please stop now with this daft discussion.
That occurred to me too, Rob, but I was hesitant to post it because unfortunately, I felt sure that someone would have jumped on it as being part of the "staged" effect. :(

BATOUTOFHEAVEN 06 Dec 2011 16:47
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Originally Posted by SueL (Post 560665)
Impeccable? :??::D
Love that word, describes Meat's performance impeccably :-P

Dave 06 Dec 2011 16:59
I could give two toots if the performance was "mimed," "lip synched," or "performed live" - it does not really matter. What I care about is Meat Loaf displayed a quality performance in front of a live studio and television audience. That's all that matters to me at the end of the day - frankly, that is all that matters to most people who watched the show. Were people entertained by the performance? Yes, it would seem so. Meat Loaf did his job as an entertainer.

BATOUTOFHEAVEN 06 Dec 2011 17:04
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 560682)
I could give two toots if the performance was "mimed," "lip synched," or "performed live" - it does not really matter. What I care about is Meat Loaf displayed a quality performance in front of a live studio and television audience. That's all that matters to me at the end of the day - frankly, that is all that matters to most people who watched the show. Were people entertained by the performance? Yes, it would seem so. Meat Loaf did his job as an entertainer.
CHSIB :-) and I'm sure Meat would have told us if he was going to mime or lip-sync. (which he didn't)

Steingirl 06 Dec 2011 20:30
This was an incredible performance. Everyone on stage did a wonderful job. I hope they perform this medley at future promo appearances.

the meatpatti 07 Dec 2011 05:01
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 560682)
I could give two toots if the performance was "mimed," "lip synched," or "performed live" - it does not really matter. What I care about is Meat Loaf displayed a quality performance in front of a live studio and television audience. That's all that matters to me at the end of the day - frankly, that is all that matters to most people who watched the show. Were people entertained by the performance? Yes, it would seem so. Meat Loaf did his job as an entertainer.
:up: Totally agree! Who cares, if it was pre-recorded and lips synced or live - it was a great performance and very entertaining! :up:

stretch37 07 Dec 2011 05:20
Meat definitely sounded fantastic!

Sabine 07 Dec 2011 07:20
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Originally Posted by the meatpatti (Post 560740)
:up: Totally agree! Who cares, if it was pre-recorded and lips synced or live - it was a great performance and very entertaining! :up:
Yes and nothings else!!!

Sabine:D

lyn 11 Dec 2011 04:27
I second that my dear :)

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Originally Posted by CarylB (Post 560642)
Priceless .. Thank you.



I suspect I have missed, ie fundamentally dis-agreed with, the way you have interpreted them

Caryl
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Originally Posted by Elijah's way (Post 560635)
Ozzy Loaf
Hmmmm, you spell Aussie this way And what you've implied with that statement.......well lets say that I'm leaving that alone Although, I'm not impressed with it

Quote:
Originally Posted by chairboys (Post 560645)
Just read all the posts from last night on this 'controversial' subject.
I was really giggling to myself at the intensity of everyone's views.
But, by the end of it all I was beginning to feel as though we are going round in circles.
As has been said before, just about everybody is in agreement that it was an excellent performance. And I really don't care either way about the "liveness" of it all.
Just one thing though, Rob. Perhaps the earpiece was just a fake prop to fool us?
Couldn't agree more with the fact that we all thought the performance was brilliant :)

I don't agree with the earpiece thing that Rob is going on about as sometimes, and I've noticed in the live performance of Meat with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, that artists such as Meat might remove the earpiece during a performance, but that doesn't indicate in any manner that he is lip synching.



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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy (Post 560663)
Even if it was lip synced, it's still entirely possible that he would have used the earpiece. He still has to hear the song to know when to mime, and when you're on a stage like that, hearing what's going on isn't as easy as it sounds :P By that logic, what's the point of having the guitarist play the guitar when there's a backing track being used anyway?

I don't think it was lip synced, anyway. And that's because at the very start of Anything For Love, you can clearly see Paul reach up and retune the E string of his guitar down to drop D. If it was a backing track, that would have been 100% unnecessary, because it would have been impossible for anyone to tell the difference anyway.

*Ends daft discussion*

All that matters is that it was an awesome performance (regardless of whether it was lip synced or not) and we didn't have a repeat of the AFL. AND, on top of that, HiaHB charted well in Germany because of it
From one Aussie to another, bloody well said mate!!!!




Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDoode (Post 560666)
That was a really good performance - it did exactly what it was supposed to do: engage the audience with some classics, and showcase a great new track from the new album. Vocals nicely done at the end of AFL, too. But my God, it's time to get the conditioner out Meat!
Couldn't have said it better ;) :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BATOUTOFHEAVEN (Post 560680)
Love that word, describes Meat's performance impeccably :-P
Bloody oath mate :D;):-)


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 560682)
I could give two toots if the performance was "mimed," "lip synched," or "performed live" - it does not really matter. What I care about is Meat Loaf displayed a quality performance in front of a live studio and television audience. That's all that matters to me at the end of the day - frankly, that is all that matters to most people who watched the show. Were people entertained by the performance? Yes, it would seem so. Meat Loaf did his job as an entertainer.
Second that :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steingirl (Post 560705)
This was an incredible performance. Everyone on stage did a wonderful job. I hope they perform this medley at future promo appearances.
Simply awsome :D



Quote:
Originally Posted by SueL (Post 560526)
And you were proven so right!!! ;)

The entire performance ROCKED, but ALL OF ME..... ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!! :D

MEAT ~ YOU WERE FABULOUS!!!
TRUE TO THAT!!!!!!! :D:D:D

Ma.Ra 18 Dec 2011 11:38
My beef is that a lip-sync performance can't never be as good as a live performance (no matter which artist). Adding "medley" and the new song (in Meat's case) and my overall rating of the performance is really falling.
IMO the audience of Wetten Dass are mostly 40+ people as far as I know from a audience analyze. I don't know if this is really Meat's target market?
Besides the most stupid host, I really miss the German Top of The Pops. Afaik performance were there always live (please dont break some illusions ;))

I dont want to offend anyone. I am just a fan with an opinion.

robgomm 18 Dec 2011 13:10
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Originally Posted by Ma.Ra (Post 561280)
My beef is that a lip-sync performance can't never be as good as a live performance (no matter which artist). Adding "medley" and the new song (in Meat's case) and my overall rating of the performance is really falling.
IMO the audience of Wetten Dass are mostly 40+ people as far as I know from a audience analyze. I don't know if this is really Meat's target market?
Besides the most stupid host, I really miss the German Top of The Pops. Afaik performance were there always live (please dont break some illusions ;))

I dont want to offend anyone. I am just a fan with an opinion.
I respect your opinion but I don't agree with it :|

Sarge 18 Dec 2011 15:05
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ma.Ra (Post 561280)
IMO the audience of Wetten Dass are mostly 40+ people as far as I know from a audience analyze. I don't know if this is really Meat's target market?
Maybe it is, although I don't know whether it would be intentional or unintentional. If you want to reach a younger audience, you have to appear on one of the shows ZDF hides on their digital channel ZDFneo. That probably means less viewers, though.

By the way, I wonder why they put a YouTube video of the Wetten, dass..? performance on his official website but don't mention that the CD is out in Germany. :??:


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