Not in the slightest. Manchester is pretty much the test run, and there will be significant changes between both runs. The date shift is down to logistics only, which - as is my understanding - has nothing to do with sales.

No, it doesn't. Maybe the PLOT sounds like Shrek (to you), but there are only 7 basic plots that encompass everything you've ever seen or read before. So, go figure :roll:

How's totalitarianism, an epic battle between 'good and evil', and a commentary on the widening gulf of alienation between social generations strike you?

Because that's just the beginning.

:cool:

NOTE: Whoever is taking my posts and copying them onto FB (and other places) -- please don't. I drop this information for THIS community only. If I see it again -- I'll stop and I won't post here (which would be a shame, as we're rapidly approaching a time where I CAN divulge some of the things I've been working on. I'm not supposed to do this until AFTER the musical has come out and everybody has seen it, so -- CAN IT! Okay?).

I just copied your post all over my fb. And my wife's fb, and my 2nd account fb and my third account fb (that I only created to copy this) and accounts of people I had the fb password off.

You should have told me earlier it would be this easy...

:twisted::lol::-P

Never a problem, Adje! And besides, I just returned the favour and forwarded Meat your Youtube channel and your website, and all of those other little outlets you have containing your vast archive of illegal bootleg recordings, and suggested that he 'administer extreme action' (read: 'shut them down') ;)

P.S. These replies -- which used to be quite amusing -- are tiresome, and getting old.
Quit while you're ahead.

I wish I could. But okay, on a serious note, you're complaint makes not much sense (to me)

You post in an area were unregistered visitors can also see. Basically it's an open board and claiming it's something that should stay on here is quite naieve (and even a bit hypocritical).

In all honesty, if you want to share something that is not going to leave this place, you should consider PM-ing people or just accept that this is the world wide web ;) If people see newsworth in your post you can count on it they are going to re-post it.

I'm with Adje on this one. If you dont want people to know don't post it.

As for threatening Adje with action re his fantastic YouTube channel that is appreciated by many - please grow up!!!

That was a joke :roll: (just like your comment above).

It isn't hypocritical -- I've never posted anything from this site on any other form of social media to date (in fact, I don't even use any other form of social media personally).

I do take your point on 'sharing' and the nature of some of those who post on this forum (and it did come from a regular poster). I guess it teaches me for trying to share some of this stuff. As such, I don't have the time for this draining and frankly incredibly tedious game of rhetoric. It makes it incredibly hard for me to contribute to this forum. So I'm going to have to say that: [I]"this will be my last post here for quite some time" [/I].

I know it's a game of 'bait the bear', 'see who can get an inflammatory response from trollish comments' to you, Adje -- which is why I don't reply for the majority of the time, because it's so transparent that it just becomes tedious -- but for me this is my career, and there's slightly more at stake than killing some time on the Internet by acting like a child. I just don't have the time or the drive for it right now. But hey, I know I won't lose any sleep over it.

It's a shame in a lot of ways, because it spoils it for those who actually do care about this musical and are interested in the creative side of how it all came together (among other things). I've enjoyed talking with those people the past few months, and I look forward to seeing you at the show.

Hopefully I'll catch some of you in Manchester/London in 2017 (except for Adje ... who isn't interested in the show yet constantly posts in this thread anyway).

Peace out :cool:

I actully meant, having inside info, sharing it here and don't want it to go out ;-)


Tbh, I don't understand your dramatic decision. But it's not up to me anyway

Well you know me and thus I am sure you know I don't intend to troll you. They are meant as friendly stabs. Didn't know you took it that seriously until your earlier post. I don't intend to annoy you man. That said, it is your career but you go to a place where people are free to put their thought on it. Again, yes I think the musical is not going to work. But most of my responses should be taken with a pinch of salt. My way of trying to humor you, because I do know that the musical is a big deal to you. So basically I try to cut the edges a bit. I thought you'd knew this.

Again, you knew from the start you'd not only get the yay- sayers here. But if it means that much to you, keep posting for the people that are interested. I won't respond to your posts again, in any form.

But one last stab because your last remark asked for it (and I hope you can see the humor in it)
You probbably catch them all in Manchester. Not me as you said, but I bet it shouldn't be hard to personally welcome the 20+ people that are actually going.

That said, and I do mean this. I am happy you do something you are passionate about. And I am happy it works for you. Just like Wario, who says to get heat for his performances. So what. You managed to (I assume) make a job out of your hobby and do what you really want. And I salute you for that, man. I hope this will be the start of much more for you ;) :cool:

Normally I would understand, TWG, especially knowing each other as we do, but I must say, while I disagree with his tone (which, in spite of his explanation, can seem off at times) and his misgivings about the show (though I admit I am not the most confident about its prospects myself), Adje's got a point, in that:

There are many sections of MLUKFC that are off-limits to unregistered guests, but this forum and this thread are not one of them. Anybody -- be they Meat fans, Jim fans, fans of both, or people who wandered in because they wanted to know more about Fred :-P -- can come here, read it, and post it in other places, and they don't even necessarily have to be members of the forum (which is why advising people who are members of MLUKFC not to share information in other places, at least in this particular instance, is kind of a waste of breath). (To my knowledge, the person who posted the information is not a regular poster here, or at least not that I'm aware of. I did comment on it when they shared the info, if that may be the source of confusion.)

If you want to keep information from leaking, then the best way to do that is to do just that -- say nothing, or at least say nothing publicly. (Which is something I have learned at my peril, even though the entertainment industry is full of announcements about projects, or aspects thereof, that never came to be; witness tons of stuff in Jim's career as an example.) But if your enthusiasm is going to outweigh your ability to do that, then you have to accept the fact that if you post this information in an area of the forum that anyone can access, anyone can (and will) share the information elsewhere. (Hell, people are just as casual about stuff in members-only sections of the forum as we learned recently with Meat's post a while back in the Braver forum, so this shouldn't be that surprising.)

While I wish you wouldn't go, if you understand all this and still wish not to post, I do understand.

Honestly, those that have been here for awhile probably feel like this place is a tad more than "Just another place on the Internet". Fact is, much of what used to be said here would stay here. Meat would even come here and tell us things that he didn't want others to know yet.

If TWG is willing to share something, it means this place is somewhat special to him. I wouldn't take offense to that. Either agree to honor the ethical rule he's politely asking you to follow, or say you're unwilling. Everybody deserves to have healthy boundaries, we're all adults here and we can all decide what we're willing to do to compromise. Sorry if that sounds a bit cold to Adje - After all, we all find certain websites with up-to-date Meat Loaf information quite useful and exciting - but it wasn't meant that way. Perhaps some sort of a delay before reporting, agreed upon with TWG?

This all seems rather over the top, I don't see the point in sharing anything from here. I am interested in the creative side of the musical.

Truth right there. Always was, and with the advent of the internet never more so. I have a handful of very close friends who can keep a secret .. beyond that you are into the realms of a secret being something you tell everyone in confidence ;)

I am reminded of the old exchange in reply to a question from another ..
"Can you keep a secret?"
"Yes, absolutely!"
"So can I" ..... end of conversation ;)

So Everything Louder and All Revved Up are both in the musical as one song.

interesting... thats clever both musically and thematically.

a horny teenager (revved) and a pothead (louder).

am i the only one who listens to Louder and thinks its a pothead giving a middle figure to authoritah.

I believe this is an assumption based on an old demo which recently surfaced that may not reflect the current reality. While it may very well be possible, we don't know that for sure, so I wouldn't commit to that thought.

Rehearsals start TOMORROW! It's happening...

Jim confirmed that the demo (which was originally for the previous Bat incarnation) is the arrangement that is the Bat Musical.

Is it in one of those Facebook threads of comments that I can't be arsed to look through with any degree of depth? That's probably why I missed it.

Ha. Yes it was.

Jim's Facebook is a nightmare with Pat Cessaro tagging him every 2 seconds.

To add something vaguely relevant, here is a demo mock-up of what the new "All Revved Up Louder Than Everything Else" (as I call it) may sound like in the musical:

YouTube Video

I love Meat but I'd take out the bit from Everything Louder.

Too jarring otherwise I lvoe the new lyrics

LOL. I seldom look at Jim's Facebook but I have noticed that too.

Well, it's important to note that you're only hearing a demo there. The full version may be better orchestrated, it may seem more organic than being cut and paste together as it was here. Think of it as a paint-by-numbers canvas without all the colors in. It may look better once you see the painting.

True true

https://twitter.com/BatTheMusical/st...51677990551552

Looks like 'Revved Up Neverland' is confirmed

Just over 6 weeks to go.

And there's talk of Meat recording BODY for the soundtrack

i think that meat loaf and jim should do a pre recored message for at the beginning of the show do some comedy thing asking audience members not to take any pics or video anything like they did at beginning of rock of ages they had david coverdale from white snake make the announcement :) and same on the cast recording

got my 3rd set of tickets this week for the show for manchester taking advantage of it while its in my home city going on the 23rd feb ,14th march ,6th april

My plan is to hopefully book London for July towards the end of the run as well as 18th Feb in Mancs!!

Rehearsal footage on Manchester TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...wg&app=desktop

Also has Andrew Polec confirmed the whole BOOH album is in there? https://www.instagram.com/p/BPNtgMPBDSZ/

Thing is considering they have talked about narrative of the album meaning nothing has to be forced, and the fact Heaven Can Wait was in Jim's early musicals i don't think it was ever in doubt.

Is that a full song list? If so cool, if not I'm crossing my fingers for Frying Pan

Not sure if it could still be one short. However, i would also expect other pieces of familiar music from the songs not included as songs to worm their way in somewhere. :D

Jim does that. I just can't wait. So close...

One of the best things is we don't quite know what the whole thing will look or feel like yet, how the songs are used or in which order. There's so much still unknown about the show

How are tickets sales going? I suspect the midweek Manchester dates will have to be heavily discounted to get bums on seats?

THere's only a few single seats for the first few nights dotted around, clicked a random mid-March there are a few available but nothing close to an empty house - tickets look to be going well.

London also seems to be going Ok too

...what song list? I see no list other than the ones we made.

Categorically no Frying Pan, sadly.
Manchester and the first few weeks in London are previews, in case anyone missed that.
See you there :cool:

Ah well!

I'm considering popping down to London in July...

Is there any songs from Bat 3 in the musical?

it's All Coming Back To Me Now.

Thanks

Do we know which Manchester show Meat is aiming to be at (if health allows)?

all i know is if you look on manchester opera house website and look on tuesday 14th march all the stalls are sold out and the circle is all so sold out and the only seats are available is in the gallery i saw this when it went on sale and wonded if that was press night. when i asked at the press launch in manchester i spoke to a lovely guy from the marking department and asked him why was that 14th march on a tuesday was nearly sold out and he said that they have held the stalls and the circle tickets back and only put on sale the gallery because it is likely to be the manchester press night hope that helps :)

Since Danny kindly reminded me what song list he was talking about...

Time to update the standings!

Bat I: BAT OUT OF HELL, TOOK THE WORDS, HEAVEN CAN WAIT, ALL REVVED UP (in new hybrid with EVERYTHING LOUDER), TWO OUTTA THREE, PARADISE BY THE DASHBOARD LIGHT, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
Dead Ringer: DEAD RINGER FOR LOVE
Bat II: ANYTHING FOR LOVE, LIFE IS A LEMON AND I WANT MY MONEY BACK, ROCK N ROLL DREAMS COME THROUGH, IT JUST WON'T QUIT, OBJECTS IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR, EVERYTHING LOUDER (in new hybrid with ALL REVVED UP)
Bat III: IT'S ALL COMING BACK TO ME NOW
Braver: WHO NEEDS THE YOUNG, SPEAKING IN TONGUES
Miscellaneous / New: NOT ALLOWED TO LOVE, WHAT PART OF MY BODY HURTS THE MOST

All totaled, and counting the hybrid as one track, we've uncovered a grand total of 18 songs so far.

Funnily enough, this arrangement of ALL REVVED UP/EVERYTHING LOUDER was the first cut that Jim sent me from the musical. That was almost two years ago now.

Give us a clue. How close are we? :-P He's got a lot of songs as it is just from our list, there's no way he can include that many without cuts, how close are we to finished?

'very close'. There's one track that I love that you DON'T have on your list...

Just looked at ticket sales for Manchester. Saturday nights nearly full. Friday nights decent. During the week abysmal....theatre is virtually empty.

As already stated -- these are previews only. Mainstream advertising hasn't even started yet.

Oooo tease!
Is it Lost Boys & Golden Girls? Or Bad For Good? Or even Surf's Up?

In the UK most theatre bookers book seats within 2 weeks of when they want to go to the theatre. I don't understand why you're so bothered about how it's selling. There's no reviews, no one's seen the show, no one's heard how great the cast are yet. Once the videos and reviews are out people will start to book.

Most theatre bookers in Manchester do not book within 2 weeks - they book well in advance. Manchester isn't a tourist city like London.

I'm guessing "Land of the Pig."

Jim's old blog entries, as you've already stated, aren't exactly what to go by, but they've mostly been right so far, which indicates to me that whatever Jim and others (such as Stuart Beattie) have done since then to the script, the shape of the score has never changed all that much.

With that in mind... on the old blog, Jim describes a scene in a factory where "Land of the Pig" is sung by corrupt taskmasters, leading into a worker's riot that includes "Life is a Lemon." Is anything like that still in the show? (Very timely if so, given the political climate in the States.)

I couldn't possibly comment ... :cool:
On the plus side, you've only got three weeks to wait until all of your questions will be answered.

I think booking depends on a lot of things.

If an established production goes on tour, then it sells out pretty much instantly.

The thing to remember is what has already been said. No one - except people like us who live and breathe these songs - really knows much except there has been a couple of interviews done about it, Meat has mentioned it a few months back and there have been a couple of internet ads. Also, as popular as Bat is in the scope of its sales gathered over 40 years, Meat's music doesn't have the "songs that are played at weddings and parties" or "always on the radio" thing that led to the likes of Mamma Mia and We Will Rock You seeming to become instant hits (I have no idea how well they did on previews and initial release, hence saying "seeming to").

But then look at something like Tanz. Hardly known by anyone in the UK unless they know their Steinman or have a good knowledge of musicals or Steve Barton and yet it's had some great runs - DOTV, not so good for obvious reasons. So, for me, once it is out, reviewed and better known it will start to fly. Until then, those who want to see it will see it, the rest will follow in time.

Okay, don't, but I will ask you this question:

Is "Land of the Pig" a song of Jim's that you love? ;)

After the performance on the 18th expect me to write a review on my (much neglected) blog. Might be spoilers

'Most theatre bookers in Manchester do not book within 2 weeks - they book well in advance. Manchester isn't a tourist city like London.'

SIMPLY NOT TRUE. I work in Arts Marketing (Theatre Marketing) in the North West of England and have worked on productions which have gone to the Palace and Opera House in Manchester. The majority of people book 2 weeks in advance.

Massive established blockbusters book well in advance but the main bulk of tickets are still booked within 2 weeks of the performance date.

Okay, new idea. Andrew Polec says on Twitter that there is another song from Dead Ringer in the show other than the title track. We just need to figure out what song TheDoode loves from DR... :twisted:

My money would be on Everything Is Permitted.

The venue has 10 titles displayed outside - looking forward to finding out the rest on the 17th!

Between the end of the first performance and going up Norf will be hard for me with not reading the internet and spoilers!!

The song list top me is a spoiler even though I've kept a tab of what's confirmed :P

The woman playing Sloane just confirmed in a Facebook video that she sings a song from Bat II! (See below.) That brings the tally up to...

Bat I: BAT OUT OF HELL, TOOK THE WORDS, HEAVEN CAN WAIT, ALL REVVED UP (in new hybrid with EVERYTHING LOUDER), TWO OUTTA THREE, PARADISE BY THE DASHBOARD LIGHT, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
Dead Ringer: DEAD RINGER FOR LOVE, other unnamed song
Bat II: ANYTHING FOR LOVE, LIFE IS A LEMON AND I WANT MY MONEY BACK, ROCK N ROLL DREAMS COME THROUGH, IT JUST WON'T QUIT, OBJECTS IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR, EVERYTHING LOUDER (in new hybrid with ALL REVVED UP), GOOD GIRLS GO TO HEAVEN
Bat III: IT'S ALL COMING BACK TO ME NOW
Braver: WHO NEEDS THE YOUNG, SPEAKING IN TONGUES
Miscellaneous / New: NOT ALLOWED TO LOVE, WHAT PART OF MY BODY HURTS THE MOST

All totaled, and counting the hybrid as one track, we've uncovered a grand total of 19 songs (for certain, 20 if you count the unnamed DR track) so far.

Thanks, love all of these gonna be a crackin show! Next question is the running order and context in the story...

Mr. Tease over here ;)

Less than two weeks :) Not that I'm counting

I'd maybe plump for Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us

I am still flabbergasted that Frying pan isn't in the show. There is quite simply no song more suited to being an act two opener than Frying pan.

I can't wait to listen to the Tanz Dar Vampire and Bat out of Hell the musical soundtracks back to back!

Is Steinman planning to come to Manchester?

If they ever make a movie it'll probably get in. 'New' tracks are a thing with film adaptations ��

But saying that the show is already jam packed. A lot of massive songs, long songs. Meat has never dared try that many songs in a show. We're fans but I'd defy anyone to debate that!

Paradise and Objects are operas within themselves, the cast needs to look after themselves to manage the enormity!!

No.

I didn't realise that you'd read the script?!?!?! ;)

Is Steinman planning to come to London?

Can't say anything at this point, but what you're missing definitely falls into 'latter career' territory.

I'm done here, again, for a while - incredibly busy - but hopefully see you all at some shows :cool:

Will anyone else be there February 18th?

I sooo hope IGLHFBOU is in there... it's my favourite song!

I really hope so, but if not, at least you'll get a private, intimate performance :twisted:

Falco (Rob Fowler) posted earlier on twitter that it's an honour to sing ... IN THE LAND OF THE PIG, THE BUTCHER IS KING :cool:

lmao!!!

going off what i have heard in interviews and seen of the bat out of hell the musical interviews ect this is the list of numbers what i think are going to be in the show

Bat out of hell
you took the words
heave can wait
all revved up with no place to go
two out of three
paradise
for crying out load
dead ringer
its all comeing back
who needs the young
speaking in tongues
good girls go to heaven
I do anything for love
wasted youth
it just wont quit
what part of my body hurts the most
in the land of the pig the butcher is king

letsgotoofar has tallied up from what we know::

thanks danny L :) thirs a lot there what i have missed could it be possible the un named DR track be more than you deserve ?

Would you like me to share the set list on the 17th?

Feb 17th!
 

Front row centre on the opening night...cannot wait for this! Nervous, excited anticipation.

Maybe put it in it's own thread so anyone wanting to avoid seeing it can bypass it. Or at least pretend to until the curiosity is too much. :D

I'm there on 23rd March...I always tend to wait until a way into the run of anything to let them get all revved up.

press night has been confirmed its definitely 14th march i used to work for the ihg group holiday inn ect and their staff benefits had this scheme and i still get get pop ups on my facebook what i cant get rid and i don't work there anymore lol and this came up http://ihg-competition.com/batoutofhell/

I know I said about SPOILERS, good idea to start a new thread; despite something like a 22hr wait between the end of Friday night's show and Saturday and if something is posted chances are I WILL open and read :-P

I think a new thread with "Set List SPOILER" in the title is called for, gives people the choice then rather than by accident

No I mean even if it's clearly labelled I'll read it out of curiosity.
I'm an info junkie :shock:

Can someone let us know what merchandise if any they are selling or take a pic? :p

I just asked that on twitter to the guy who is putting together material for the programe.

and a price list too so people can budget

***SPOILER***

Rehearsal of For Crying Out Loud


I LOVE IT


http://www.whatsonstage.com/london-t...=homepage_news

major spoilers view if you want to this was on bat out of hell the musical facebook page the manchester evening news has done an artical about the backstage and they have taken some photos of the sets for me my opinion they shouldn't have posted it on the facebook yet until at least open night http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....t-out-12576620

But good that it's getting some press coverage!

The shows getting a fair bit of press now. Like it!!

Well at least we know where Dead Ringer is going to be sung :)

only going to London on opening night

On stage at the opera house/coliseum? 😉

Is there any word of where it's going after London? I thought it was an international tour?