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Dave 27 Oct 2012 03:54
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Originally Posted by AndrewG (Post 579134)
Seems the republicans don't back Meat. John McCain....
In all fairness....it is the HuffPo and it is John McCain..... both are questionable when getting information about conservatives and Republicans correct.

Wario 27 Oct 2012 04:47
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Originally Posted by AndrewG (Post 579134)
Seems the republicans don't back Meat. John McCain....
That means nothing.

loaferman61 27 Oct 2012 04:56
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Originally Posted by Julie in the rv mirror (Post 579128)
Wow, so many posts I wanted to respond to, I'd be quoting for days, so I'm just going to address several things all in one post.

First off, I think celebrities have just as much right as anyone else to make their political choices known, whether it be posting it on their websites, Facebook, or appearing at campaign rallies. It's no different, IMO, than the dozens of posts that come across my Facebook feed on a daily basis.

However, having said that, I agree that those celebs then open themselves up to whatever criticisms are going to come their way, and it's going to come from all over, including from their own fan bases- the answer to loaferman61's question (I hope he's OK) is a definite yes. And it's not just trolls- lots of otherwise "normal" people can get very heated when it comes to politics.

Personally, I couldn't care less about a musician's politics if I like his/her music. Ted Nugent is about as right-wing conservative as they come, but I'd still go watch him rock out. I agree with Mouse- if you quit being a fan because of their politics, you might be a little too invested in the person over the music. But, it happens.

I think people should use their own judgement rather than vote for a candidate just because some celebrity endorses them. Where I do think celebrities can be helpful is just getting people out to vote, period- for example, getting people to come out for a performance, but have volunteers on hand to do voter registrations, etc.
I am fine (thanks for asking) but we are now in the storm zone as it seems Meat is as well. He talked about a storm and I guess he got one, but just like I spent the afternoon doing storm prep, I hope he did some prep for the reaction this would get. I hope he is handling it well. Best wishes to all on the east coast USA for the "perfect storm".

Vickip 27 Oct 2012 05:27
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Originally Posted by loaferman61 (Post 579139)
I am fine (thanks for asking) but we are now in the storm zone as it seems Meat is as well. He talked about a storm and I guess he got one, but just like I spent the afternoon doing storm prep, I hope he did some prep for the reaction this would get. I hope he is handling it well. Best wishes to all on the east coast USA for the "perfect storm".
I'm glad to hear you're ok ... and thanks for your concern about those of us on the East Coast ;)
Based on Meat's posts on his FB page, he's handling it very well.

anotherday 27 Oct 2012 05:41
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Originally Posted by LuuuuvMeat
OMG! Meat is on his fb wall right now. Yikes!
What was said?

LuuuuvMeat 27 Oct 2012 05:57
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Originally Posted by anotherday (Post 579142)
What was said?


Far to much to explain. Insults and mud slinging for the most part. Gross! Go to Facebook and see.

Evil Ernie 27 Oct 2012 06:37
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Originally Posted by LuuuuvMeat (Post 579143)
Far to much to explain. Insults and mud slinging for the most part. Gross! Go to Facebook and see.
People...

This is the internet. What do you expect?

Just as ML has the right to express his views, so do those who oppose him. They may express their anger in a more vitriolic fashion than I would prefer, but they have that right.

If you don't want to be exposed to that than don't read comment sections on Facebook, CNN, etc... I've learned to not get upset by the internet, or else the internet wins.

I save getting upset for online XBOX games.

Kathy 27 Oct 2012 06:45
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Originally Posted by robgomm (Post 579121)
What I have a bit of a worry about is this:

'So you get out there and you argue with your relatives, you argue with your neighbours, you get in fights over politics and religion, ’cause we need Ohio!'

Now I don't know how people feel about this, but this sort of speech almost sounds like it's encouraging people to kind of, i dunno, bully other people into voting republican. Maybe i've got it wrong and this isn't what Neat meant, maybe he got a bit carried away, i dunno, but this just sounded a bit wrong to me. Apologies if i'm off base.
Meat prefaced this by commenting that we've all been taught not to argue politics or religion. That made a certain amount of sense in an age when most people read the newspaper, thought for themselves, and formed their own opinions.

Now, we have two trends: lack of good information, and polarization. We live in a time when more people than ever operate strictly on hearsay, or what they read on a Yahoo Answers page. Newspapers had enough problems of their own, but we've gone downhill from there! Network TV news has become more entertainment than news. But even though we are deluged with "lite" info (or maybe because of it) we are more polarized than we've ever been. We have trouble discussing anything without getting angry.

Maybe it's a good time to start talking to our friends and family about these previously off-limits topics. I don't want to put words in Meat's mouth but I doubt that he meant bullying in any way. I think it's time to increase the dialogue, to talk more, and talk freely.
-Kathy

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TheDoode 27 Oct 2012 10:20
Having read this entire thread and watched the videos:

The singing was, well, I'll skip the adjectives this time.

The excuses flying around (he's just done a show so he's tired, it was a youtube clip, etc.) are really starting to sound delusional (and yes, it's painful to have to admit that). I made a post in the Sammy Hagar and Meat thread about this with comparison videos, because the camera phone/youtube thing can't be used to defend a less than great performance.

And as for the argument about HIAB being comparable to this situation because it's a 'politically charged' album - yeah, it's about as far to the left as possible. It's borderline Marxian.

Confused.

Doode.

Wario 27 Oct 2012 12:16
full performance of break it and stand in the storm:

YouTube Video

AndrewG 27 Oct 2012 12:35
Even the flag didn't want to be there.

Seeing Meat Loaf so tired makes me sad. He should have had a rest after the show instead of doing that performance and trying to scream his way out of it in my opinion.

Adje 27 Oct 2012 12:36
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Originally Posted by Wario (Post 579151)
full performance of break it and stand in the storm:
Well it's right at the beginning, for those who don't care to go through a 70minute rally.

Too bad Break It only shows the people in the crowd and not the performance

Adje 27 Oct 2012 13:01
BTW, is this 'version' of America the Beautiful up there with Roseanne's National Anthem performance? This weighs heavier being 'sung' at a political rally...

CarylB 27 Oct 2012 13:05
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Originally Posted by Kathy (Post 579145)
We live in a time when more people than ever operate strictly on hearsay, or what they read on a Yahoo Answers page. Newspapers had enough problems of their own, but we've gone downhill from there! Network TV news has become more entertainment than news. But even though we are deluged with "lite" info (or maybe because of it) we are more polarized than we've ever been. We have trouble discussing anything without getting angry.
So very true. Last night Meat's comments and responses were thoughtful, informed, intelligent and expressed with civility. I'd say he knew to expect flak and fallout from publicly supporting the candidate he has chosen, and dealt with it calmly and with friendly dignity. No-one deserves the torrent of foul-mouthed abuse and hysterical statements and angry threats some are searching out his FB page to post. That isn't "freedom of speech" imo, it's simply ignorant mob behaviour, and shames the democratic process.

I'm the first to admit I don't know enough about the issues to form an opinion on whether I would make the same choice as Meat were I in a position to vote in this election. Like Meat, I have not always voted for the same party (although I am by inclination left of centre), and I have not always endorsed all the views of the candidate I voted for. But right or left, I would be ashamed to be associated with the abusive comments, threats, disgusting words and phrases I have seen posted on his FB page, sometimes from both sides. The sheer torrent of hatred being aimed at a decent man, who has lived a decent life and spent 40 years proving himself to be a wonderful performer, who gives his all on stage, and is unfailingly gracious and kind to his fans, simply horrifies me. In a decent society that is not imo reasonable or acceptable.

His responses have earned more of my respect than ever.

Caryl

Tomjoad 27 Oct 2012 14:53
A different angle about this endorsement: do you think all members of the band who were onstage agreed with Meat statements?
I think he should have done this thing alone...

CarylB 27 Oct 2012 14:59
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Originally Posted by Tomjoad (Post 579159)
A different angle about this endorsement: do you think all members of the band who were onstage agreed with Meat statements?
I think he should have done this thing alone...
I don't know and it's not up to me to speculate. They may have viewed it as a gig .. may agree. I doubt they were dragged under force to the rally;) It's a matter for them, not me

Tomjoad 27 Oct 2012 15:10
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Originally Posted by CarylB (Post 579160)
I don't know and it's not up to me to speculate. They may have viewed it as a gig .. may agree. I doubt they were dragged under force to the rally;) It's a matter for them, not me

I hope you're right. Anyway, he put it on a very personal level and the speech was all about his story and the way he feels about politics right now. But the stage was crowded. I don't know, Springsteen never brought the E Street band to an Obama rally...

Evil One 27 Oct 2012 15:34
It's about time someone came up with a better political system. I wouldn't give you two shits for Romney or Obama. Or Cameron, Clegg or Milliband for that matter.

robgomm 27 Oct 2012 15:46
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Originally Posted by Evil One (Post 579162)
It's about time someone came up with a better political system. I wouldn't give you two shits for Romney or Obama. Or Cameron, Clegg or Milliband for that matter.
The trouble is that will never happen. It took hundreds of years for things to change in this country (UK) to get to where we are now. First we had factions and no political system, then we had kings and queens ruling with no parliment, then kings and queens with parliment, and then finally we had parliment become the main power, and that is the best system because the poeple couldn't pick and choose who they wanted as king or queen, but we can vote for who we want to run the government. If you don't like someones ideas, vote for someone else. And noone can tell me it doesn't work because people either don't vote or only vote for one of the two main parties. That's a problem with the people, not with the system. The UK system is fine as it is, we just need more competition, which we can't get because people aren't brave enough to vote for someone different. So like I said the people are the problem.

CarylB 27 Oct 2012 15:48
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Originally Posted by Tomjoad (Post 579161)
I hope you're right. Anyway, he put it on a very personal level and the speech was all about his story and the way he feels about politics right now. But the stage was crowded. I don't know, Springsteen never brought the E Street band to an Obama rally...
If you read Meat's responses to the hysteria being thrown at his FB page I think it's clear that he is informed, is very concerned about the situation the USA is in economically, has thought the issues through very carefully, and his decision is very personal, as it should be. He is, of course, not Bruce Springsteen. I'm sure I've seen a post on FB from one of the band suggesting he was pumped to be at the rally. They are adults, know Meat well, and I cannot believe any would have been there unwillingly.

Caryl

CarylB 27 Oct 2012 15:55
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Originally Posted by Evil One (Post 579162)
It's about time someone came up with a better political system. I wouldn't give you two shits for Romney or Obama. Or Cameron, Clegg or Milliband for that matter.
You either work with it, opt out in passive acceptance, just criticize it, or work to change it. Change takes involvement, commitment and effort, as would devoting yourself to becoming an alternative candidate.

LisaT 27 Oct 2012 16:23
Can someone please post Meat's response here or point me in the right direction? I've scanned his FB page and I can't find it! Thanks.

Tomjoad 27 Oct 2012 16:26
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Originally Posted by CarylB (Post 579164)
I'm sure I've seen a post on FB from one of the band suggesting he was pumped to be at the rally. They are adults, know Meat well, and I cannot believe any would have been there unwillingly.

Caryl

What if just one member of the band didn't agree with the endorsement. If he/she didn't show up, we'd have speculation about his/her absence. So he/she could have decided for the lesser of two evils. Hope none of them was in that uncomfortable position. Keep thinking that Meat should have done it by himself.

CarylB 27 Oct 2012 16:49
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Originally Posted by LisaT (Post 579166)
Can someone please post Meat's response here or point me in the right direction? I've scanned his FB page and I can't find it! Thanks.
I don't believe that would be appropriate. You need to check the thread he started with "Like we didn't all know this already!!". He started posting about 14 hours ago, and you will need to pull up responses c102 onwards. They re still there if anyone is interested to invest time in finding and reading them because they want to know Meat's position

Caryl

GDW 27 Oct 2012 17:08
CarylB forget the political part. Do you think Meat Loaf's performance was good or bad. A bad or good would be good!:!::-)


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