There we go, I knew someone would have a better memory than me!

Thanks for the clarification Meat, sounds great, can't wait. And it's great about Patti too!!!!!

Carole

Excellent ! Thanks for the update Meat :))

i hope theres gonna be a banjo on the new album!!!
but who would play it??

Paul :-P

That reminds of the band introductions on the Melborne DVD ... where they say that Paul goes both ways : he plays the guitar and the banjo :lmao:

Steve Martin, The Crow New Songs For The 5-String Banjo is pretty good

Just watched today's videos. What a pity that the first one is just 16 seconds long, I would like to hear more of the music.

The videos are getting better and better and more informative. The more I see and hear, the more curious I get. :D

Lucky Susan Valentine gets a video all to herself, great gift idea. I'm betting Meat will be inundated with gifts and letters now people know where to send them :))

Who is that singing in the latest video?

I'd like to know that as well, it neither sounds like one of the people he's introduced nor like Meat.

Whoever it is they sound bloody awful.

I searched for the Hawkins Top Gear interview to satisfy my own curiosity and he says (right at the beginning, to Clarkson) "I tend to agree with you on the Meat Loaf thing".

Maybe he changed his $$$$£££ mind!

The tags of that video on YouTube are: Meat Loaf, Justin Hawkins, Eric Nally, so I assume it's him? (Although it doesn't sound like Nally to me, maybe because he usually screams a lot in his songs.)

yeah! just found it, my oh my how the mighty has fallen?
im gonna send that link onto meat:D
and now hes playing guitar in the studio for meat:lol:

still dont get it... so what bad thing did that clarkson guy say in the first place?

Neither do I really .. I didn't hear anything "bad" in the interview .. and if he said anything during that show I missed it. Clarkson says a lot of stuff about things, famous people etc for effect and a laugh. Back when there was that poll for the best driving song he made comments in most of the shows about not voting for BOOH .. can't remember them all .. but I seem to recall:

Vote for Meat Loaf, assuming you can get your fat inbred fingers on to the button
Voting for Meat Loaf means you are twice as likely to have no mates
Your ISP will change your domain name to loser if you vote for Bat Out of Hell
Voting for Meat Loaf will give you gout
Your home may be at risk if you vote for Meat Loaf

But then he'll also say that a particular car's brakes are made from milk bottle tops, and of a car he really likes that he wishes it could put its hand down his trousers and rummage around ..

Basically they all poked fun at Meat and/or his fans .. but Clarkson's comments on things, cars, people and life in general are for comic effect and not to be taken too seriously imo .. I doubt he does himself, and frankly I don't think Meat would lose any sleep :)

.. and BOOH topped the poll anyway .. lol

Caryl

yeah! but hes still a pratttt!!!!!

That whole Top Gear is a bit of a farce anyway. I doubt 0.5% of the UK population can afford most of the cars they review (ie most seem to be £100.000+) so it definitely cannot be considered a proper "car-review" programme imo. It's good entertainment I think though and it certainly makes me laugh.

Is it just me or does anyone else also think Richard Hammond hasn't seemed quite right since his accident?

Sounds like the Steingathering I went to in Berlin :lmao:

He call's Meat the 'Oaf' and apparently thinks that his music is awful. His 2 co-presenters have decided to agree with him too. BUT, in true hypocritical Clarkson style, he has released some 'Driving' compilation albums in the past and guess which artist features on at least 2 CDs?!

well, you cant make everyone like the same... :shrug: And I guess a compilation is hardly depending on the muscal taste of the presenter of a show.

Unless, of course, you put your name and face on the front of the CD... like Jezza

first, I have no idea of top gear and anything related as we dont have it over here

but usually there's more than a lot of people involved in producing a cd. Even if the promoted artist (that'd be him in this case) has his picture on the cover, he might not have anything to say about song choice, etc.

you dont even have to go as far as compilations. just look at 3 bats live, that album was released completely against Meat's will.


back on topic now! :yep:

I've gotta say I dont like that yfrog thing. None of the vids work for me. When there's one that seems particularly interesting I have to go to youtube and look it up there.
Spoils the fun a bit.

Yay, VERY happy to see that Patti is going to be involved! :D
About time I caught up on all the Twittering I think, haven't had time until today.

I'm having the same problem with Yfrog ... I just automatically go over to Meat's Official YouTube channel (RedPony2) and watch the videos there.
I noticed that Roxanne had to repost the latest video ... so maybe she'll find another way to do it.

Vicki

I don't think Meat will lose any sleep over it and ultimately it really doesnt matter, Meat will sell albums regardless, Clarkson is hardly a music guru!
I think he got the desired affect, he riled the fans who take stuff way too seriously and got his name thrown about all over the place causing people overseas who never saw the programme to go to youtube and look for his vids!!

Agreed :up: Free Prozac for everyone :))

YAAAY! Sanity is in the studio and Patti's back :))

Happy to see Patti she's so beautiful and her voice is amazing. :D

Her singing voice is, in the clip she sounded a bit like The Nanny :shock: "MR SHEFFIELD!" :))

Yay, Patti!! :D :D so happy to see her there, it's lovely to see Kasim too.

I think her and Fran Drescher are from the same area of New York. Drescher is from the queens area and I think Patti was raised in the Bronx, though far as I know she was born in New Jersey

My ex lives in Queens, while her accent isn't as strong as either Patti or Drescher it is similar.

James May is the one who hates Meat Loaf on that show not so much Clarkson. I hate James May he's nothing but a plonker, and he has the worst hair I've ever seen too. Actually every time I see his hair I shiver, it's disgusting.

well said [ he is a pratttt!!! ] they all are

James May and Richard Hammond are just puppets in that show imo. I seriously doubt James May "hates" Meat Loaf.

Well I'm of the opposite opinion I'm afraid having heard the way he talked about him on the show. He came across as sarcastic and ignorant. I know people on here were going to write into BBC complaining about it. This is going back a while though.

Meat's vocals in the newest tweeter video is amazing!:yay:

Definitely :))

Is it? :wtf: I'd have to listen to the whole song, as that video does absolutely nothing for me :nope: If there was an anti-Viagra...that would be it :shock:

I guess everyone has their own opinion. :roll:

I guess they do :roll:

And indeed I was one of those people but that does not mean that James May HATES Meat Loaf and if you'd included that statement in a letter to the BBC I think they probably would have ignored your mail which I can understand. Top Gear like any other entertainment program is heavily scripted and dramatised to be "entertaining". The offending Meat Loaf and his fans part was included to be "cool" and indeed to generate some laughs as all three presentors were in on it. Did any of the presentors at any time say "Oh I so love this song, I went to a concert of them and it was awesome" (unless of course that artist is in the studio and it is suck up time)? Of course not, that is just the type of stuff you'd never hear on TG. But if you like to continue to believe everything that is said in Top Gear as being the truth on how people are in real life be my guest.

Exactly. The show is scripted and designed to be funny and irreverent. Don't take anything they say seriously.

while all this top gear talk is highly entertaining, I'd like to remind everyone to stay on topic. :yep:

So......Patti in Meat's twitter videos: :drool: or :barf: ?

:drool:

have to be honest, that clip didnt sound great to me, or the few lyrics, but i am hopeful the whole song once finished will sound great!! I don't think many of Meat's songs would sound that great if we just heard a small clip of him singing them on his own, so i don't think i can give an opinion either way.
It was nice to see a clip of Meat singing though nonetheless :-D

Also great to see Patti has arrived :cool:

I agree with Bobbin. I'm not that impressed by his vocals but it's hard to judge the quality of his singing by a clip that's just 15 seconds long. I'm actually glad to finally hear him sing in one of the videos.

Edit: I just listened to it again and the lyrics sound a little dull to me. I wonder if it is really something that's going to be on the album or a joke. :? The melody reminds me of his "David, David, oh David" song. ;)

Andrew your opinion is fine, but if this show is indeed heavily scripted they need to sack the script writers. On a side note someone needs to do something about James May's hair too.

Ok back on topic about the new Meat Loaf video on twitter, hmmm I translated what he's singing as "Lets be love....Lets be love.....lets go upstairs" I think it's just a bluff to get people talking. :cool:

I don't even understand what he sings between "let's go upstairs to" and "more than enough" (?). Can't imagine that he would mumble like that on an actual recording.

I hope it doesn't deter people from buying the record. ;)

Isn't that Roseanne Barr?

He's shaking too much aswell, he needs to focus more on the voice. Bringing up and out the vocals, and holding the note. It would sound a lot more clear that way.

:wtf:

What I hear is:

Let's be in love, Let's be in love, Let's go upstairs until we've both had enough

For me .. words sound interesting, voice sounds like the Meat I love, and for me it's the passion in his delivery which makes it Meat.

It's a fragment from a recording, and I thank him for it. Makes me look forward to being able to get the album, play it, ride the wave with him again, and look forward to riding it at a live concert :)

Caryl

Wow. :shock: If those are actually the lyrics, this is gonna be a really different turn for Meat. Goodbye, subtlety! :(

subtlety as in "surf's up, so am I"? :))

Tend to agree, subtley and Meat lyrics don't really go together do they?

"I want to take you in the backseat now and slowly drive you home"

And talking of driving home, think I'll do that so I can catch up on all the Twitter updates I've missed.

Leapt into my mind immediately Andy .. closely followed by ..

"I can't forget the feeling of your sweat against my skin
And the trembling of your body on the day you let me in
It happens once, only once, in a lifetime ..."

To be any more explicit you'd need to tie it to a flying brick .. lol ..

Caryl

I agree with the above...also there's nothing to say that it will be the finished vocal used for this particular song...could easily be a guide track or a take

but either way i hope that it's better then the vid cause I know meat can do better than that.

Is that related to a flying mouse?!

Thanks. That would make sense although such lyrics don't knock my socks off. As for the passion, it sounds a little forced and tense to me (more acting like singing) and the Meat I love does not mumble. :( I still hope it's a hoax. Well, it's just 15 seconds, I'll wait and see what he'll sound like on the CD... Why do I suddenly feel the urge to listen to Bob Dylan? :twisted:

you like cats singing?

Maybe, depends on the cat. ;)

to be fair, he knew there was a camera filming him, so he might have just wanted to give us a little taste of his acting :D
i prefer cat stevens :))

I agree with the fat German :up: And anyone who takes Top Gear seriously in any way shape or form needs to up their meds :wacko:

Meatgril mode


I don't think you're a saboteur if you don't like something, you're expressing an opinion and after hearing the final cut, I still don't like it.

However, that's a small part of a larger song which inturn is one song off an whole album. I don't think anyone has used that tiny part and said the whole album is crap, so Meat needs to chill a little methinks.

For a second I thought MeatGrl1 was back.

He's right regarding what he says about artists usually not leaking much about the recording process. I guess one of the reasons why they don't do it is because of what's happened right now. Some people might not like what they hear, express a "negative" opinion and that might disturb the artist.

I appreciate that we get to see and hear a lot but I don't think that obligates me to suck up and claim I like something if I actually don't.

I listened to it several times and I really tried to like it but in vain, I'm sorry. I have been listening to his music for many years and that particular piece just sounds different (to me) and not as good as I expect Meat Loaf to sound like.
I usually like his singing, even on songs that I consider rather weak (he has the ability to make even such songs sound interesting and special) and I liked every bit of music I've heard in the videos so far but this is the first one I'm not overly excited about.
Don't know what the entire song sounds like, maybe I'll like it? There are some songs on the Beatles' White Album that I don't like to listen to, yet the album as a whole is one of my favorites.

I might not like what I heard on those two clips but others do, so what's the problem? People sometimes disagree on certain issues, that's normal.

Well, I understand that he's pissed off because he puts a lot of effort in it and wants people to appreciate his work. It sometimes appears as if he pays more attention to negative comments than to positive ones (but then again many people tend to do that).

Anyway, calling long-time fans "saboteurs" and "amateur vocal coaches" is just not fair.
Even if people say something that appears negative - it shows that they care about what the artist is doing. (!)

I'm here to discuss certain Meat Loaf related topics with other fans because I'm honestly interested in the music, the movies etc. (and I'm glad that some members of this forum often disagree with me on certain issues, this is what makes this place interesting). I'm not here to be a kissass.

No need to get angry, we're all interested in your work and we appreciate the little vids. None of us is a "saboteur", we just like to talk about a piece of work, sometimes we agree, sometimes we disagree.

If I'll be called a "saboteur" from now on, so be it. I can deal with it, I'm a big girl and I have a thick skin. :-) But do I really wanna hear my favorite artist dishing out insults?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the album in spite of what's happening right now and I hope everybody will calm down. :D

In case this doesn't make any sense, blame it on the fact that it's pretty late (or early). Even night owls like me get tired sometimes.

It appears that way more often than not :roll:

Abraham Lincoln - You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

I still like my Meat, it'll take more than a cranky video to turn me vegetarian :))

Ditto. :up: Being a Meat Loaf fan is not easy sometimes but I'll be hanging on. :))

I had to laugh when I watched the video a second time. He manages to be entertaining even in that video. Although I don't like what he said, there's something about his temper that amuses and impresses me, LOL.

please don't hang on anymore .
M

this is a great record , the song I played ,6 bars of, is a great song. so those of you who don't want to HANG ON, please go to Justin timberlake. or someone else. I've been giving you some updates and the minute I bring a song into play . You have to judge it without enen hearing the whole song shame on you. After you hear the record and you don't like it, so be it. Can't you be postive for a chnage . Must you judge on what is just fun. let things just roll, stay postive . WHY SAY OH I DON'T LIKE THAT! HOW THE ~~~~ DO YOU REALLY KNOW. THOUGHT I could come back here and talk. I Can't
M

Eh? :wtf:

If you didn't want people to express an opinion on it then why put it up? Obviously you must have realised it was going to get talked about. And for the most part people have said that they like it and a few - A FEW - have said that from what they've heard they're not keen...so far...

To quote me "However, that's a small part of a larger song which inturn is one song off an whole album."

Pudding how can you have opinion over 6 bars of a song. That is just me and a rough track. That is saying you don't like ice cream from looking at it.
M

Pudding,
I didn't put the video up to be judged. I put it up in the same spirt as all the others I've posted. It was a spur of the moment thing. Just thought people would have fun . Not knowing I was going to get , I DON'T LIKE IT, SAYING "HE IS SHAKING". I'VE BEEN SHAKING WHEN I SING SINCE 1968. I PUT IT UP ONLY FOR FUN. I see now I can't just have fun with the people who say they are fans. JUST ALL IN FUN. Can't you wait till the record is out. Just go with the flow and watch what is meant to be off the cuff , FUN. It is never thought out . it just happens. I can't play anymore music. BECAUSE IT WILL BE JUDGED, my bad. So I won't. Sorry to the ones who enjoy it . I am not asking you to kiss my ass just enjoy the fun. I guess I was just excited because it is going so good and I haven't sung this well since the 70's. I am just stupid in the ways of the world. I am always shocked and amazed. I know I don't like beets because I tasted one. Why do people have to always judge. How can you have an opinion over 6 bars. it is impossible.
M

Thought the vocal coaching nonsense posted in this thread (at the top of the page) was patronising and it probably has taken the "opinions" out of context I reckon. Sue me but if I was a mod here the vocal coaching post would have been gone in a heartbeat.

Hope you will keep posting the music Meat. I like it and I'm sure most others here do as well.

Please don't stop posting tasters of the album. Your tweets have become addictive!
Life would be extremely boring if everything stayed the same - I relish the changes and differences and probably wouldn't be such a big fan if all your music was the same as some groups are these days.
Keep it up - next April cannot come soon enough!

Please don't stop with the videos there just to great and fun and just ignore the haters they only wish they had your talent. Love your music, voice Meat!

And so everyone knows I'm not trying to be an ass kisser I'm just a real fan!

All I can say is that I really hope Meat decides to put up samples - I think its great that he's letting a camera into the studio, into his creative space as you will, and letting us be involved on the journey of the new album. It's a great idea what Meat and his team have started...

Tell me you couldn't tell its all a bit of fun? It's good to have a laugh and it shows that everyone out there is enjoying themselves. But am sorry, but this is true from reading these posts - you canny please everyone, no matter how hard you try.

As I've said on the top gear matter:
Not everyone can like the same. And I dont see a problem in that. If two out of ten people dont like what they hear, you cant make them. Everyone has their own taste, and that's fine. This is a discussion board and it's just natural that people discuss what they see.

Agreed. For Meat to post anything from his studio recording was pretty special .. and imo was just to share the process with us, not to invite judgement or assessment of his singing, the song or the album, and those who rushed to it on the basis of a few bars got the response they should surely have been able to predict. Perhaps they did.

Meat's in the middle of creating a new album .. it's his baby. To me, offering judgement on any small glimpses we get into what will finally be produced it a bit like looking at a parent-to-be's scan, predicting what will finally enter the world, finding it wanting, and informing the proud parent ..

Personally I feel privileged to be allowed into the studio via the tweets, and I too hope they continue, although I don't know whether we'll hear any more fragments from songs now, which would be to me, you and many others, a shame.

Caryl

Pudding another thing. The vibe at the studio is so positive . From everyone who comes in and hears a track or a song. They are just so up and amazed. Everyone from everywhere is wanting to work on it. I am just like a little excited boy and I wanted my fans to feel the same and be part of it. just thought everyone would be happy here. but it is 2009. I'm not in Kansas anymore Toto

M

To add to my previous post.

I remember reading an article for the 2006 album, that he disliked being in the studio. I think I recall him saying it drove him mad, being inside for many hours (please correct me Meat if this is wrong) but for this record, he looks like he's enjoying himself. Perhaps its because the studio is set in a home, gives it a more relaxed feeling and so if he feels good, he's gonna feel like sharing his "works in progress" with us and so he has done.

As I'm reading, I agree with Caryl in that it is his baby and he's proud of what he's achieved so far and so he wants to share his proudness with us....

Why do people have to jump the gun all the time?
Ross

And by far the majority of us do feel the same, and feel privileged to be included Meat .. but ass-kickers rarely concern themselves with the feelings of the enthusiastic and excited person whose ass they're kicking.

Caryl

If the vibe at the studio is positive then that is great! I wouldn't let any of the stuff (positive or negative) on this board influence any of that. It is simply not worth it. Boards like this on the internet are mostly a huge wastebin where posts are collected and most of the posts are written as a spur of the moment thing, they do not define who people are.

Did any of this stuff posted here in the past matter to the creative process of creating music (CHSIB/BAT 3)? I seriously doubt it. :sherlock: I really wouldn't want anyone on this board (except for Meat and the band) have any influence on what the next album is going to sound like. Hence I think the patronising on how Meat should sing is completely wrong.

Having an opinion is good though (I liked this/I liked that / I didn't like this because....). Apathy is a very bad thing imo!

I think the creation of albums are special things and as I am a music nut, I always like to see how an album was created. Usually after it has been released, which is why I always like the making of Pump and all the classic album programmes. They are always very interesting to me.

So while I would love to be able to see a b-side on meat's next single containing a demo version of another song from the album, as many artists have done (bryan adams and def leppard recently spring to mind) I don't really want to hear it until it comes out.

TMIL was a great song but I thought it kind of got lost in the shuffle because it was leaked earlier, I realise why you did that meat because 40 seconds of it didn't give a great representation of the song.

Nor does 15 seconds of the vocal recording we heard in the first tweeter vid.

But hey all of this is just me. Meat (or Sir Loaf as I should say) It looks like you're having a great time recording it and Rob Cavallo has produced some really good albums and I am personally hoping it tops them.

I wouldn't say we should all live or die by those 15 seconds we've heard and the subsequent ending...but as usual bandwagons can be jumped on by both sides in here.

roll on the new album

Ah, come on, Meat. I said positive things about all of your videos that involved music except one and just because of that you want to drive one of your most loyal fans away? I'm sorry but you won't get rid of me that easily.

I just expressed my personal opinion (which I have the right to) I've never intended to offend anyone, especially not you.

Is this really such a horrible thing to say? Is it really that bad that there are one or two things I'm not immediately fond of? Would I be a better fan if I pretended to like everything? Do you like bootlickers?

I'm sorry that I can't be 100% positive all of the time (I'd probably become afraid of myself if I was). Mind you, I've never said "it is bad" but "I'm not overly excited about it". There's a difference.

Have you never heard a piece of music of which you thought "nah, that's not my cup of tea"?

Uploading that video actually was a nice, generous and bold move but you should have known that people will talk about it. And maybe some people will just not be as excited about it as others.

You've been in the business for about four decades and some people have indeed said / written really nasty things about you, yet you even consider people "saboteurs" who actually love and praise most of the things you've done. I don't get it.

A lot of positive things have been said about you on this forum, why do you only pay attention to the negative ones or the ones you consider negative?

I've spent a small fortune on your records and on concert tickets, had a lot of fun at your live shows, even dragged non-fans to them who later told me that it was one of the best experiences of their lives. I still consider you one of the most gifted entertainers even if you currently treat some of your fans in a way I don't approve of.

I'm a little shocked and disappointed about your (over)reaction and about the fact that people are being called "haters" just because they dare to express an honest opinion instead of sucking up.

The positive image that I have of Meat Loaf is beginning to crumble and about to be replaced by something that makes me sad. I don't want that to happen and I hope the current trouble is just temporary.

Okay, I better stop now. I'm sure you're busy and I don't want any arguments have an impact on your current work. As I said earlier, I hope everybody will calm down and yes, I will hang on. ;)

what we all should keep in mind is that Meat puts all of his energy into recording this album. That's a thing I like about him, he doesnt do a half arsed job, either he does it 100% or he doesnt do it at all.
So keeping that in mind, it's absolutely understandable that he's very sensitive and protective over his work. Especially after the general failure of Bat3.

So let's all cut him some slack, eh? :))

I guess saying that I love Meat Loaf's voice and music makes me a suck up :roll: and that is my honest opinion :yep:

I can't agree more. I am so into the twitters that I send them to my friends who aren't on there following them. The little bit of the song, IMO, sounded good, I got very excited by it, first thought that came to my mind was another tear jerker, get out the tissues. I had to watch it a couple of times to understand it but them there was another video explaining it. Which now makes more sense to me that it was recorded, if I remember correctly, about 3 times. Not all songs on all your albums I like, but it's only one out of how many on an album? It's not going to stop me from buying this one either. I watch these videos before I go to work and they really help me to get into a good mood before going to the hell hole for the day. PLEASE KEEP THEM UP!!!!

Chris

Even though you put it up just for fun, which is totally appreciated, at the end of the day it's a small section of a track that's part of an album that's eagerly anticipated and has been for quite some time.

You're living this album each and every day, we're not, and the tiny snippets we do get will inevitably get analyzed and over-analyzed, because that's what we have to go on. Some like the clip, some don't, but that reaction isn't unusual to anything you've done before.

Despite the fact I'm not keen on the short snippet given, I'm still going to buy the album and no doubt those who have given their honest opinion (which is a tough call on a Meat Loaf forum where Meat Loaf visits) they're still going to buy the album too.

To avoid any misunderstanding: I definitely was not going to imply that someone who likes something that someone else dislikes and who says that they like it is a kissass. Please don't read something into my postings that I've never said and never intended to say.
I just wanted to point out that I don't want to conceal my real opinion on certain topics. If I like something I'll say that I like it, if there's something I don't like that much I have the right to express my opinion on that as well.

I think that's what most of the users of this board do. Some just appreciate everything Meat Loaf does (which is absolutely fine), some might like 80% or 90% but might not be excited about the rest. Is that bad? No matter which group you belong to, the fact that certain issues are being discussed, that something is being praised or criticized shows that the members of this forum are interested in Meat Loaf and his music, movies, concerts, TV appearances etc.

I'm astonished about the fact that one is apparently regarded as an enemy (?) because of having expressed a slightly "negative" opinion after dozens of positive ones. But it seems as if you can say "I like the videos, they're informative, amusing, thanks for introducing all those people yadda-yadda-yadda" a hundred times, that's all being ignored once you dare to confess that there's a single thing you're not immediately 100% fond of.

Thanks for all your videos Meat and for making us fans a part of it, I am very excited about the new album and love the little snippets of the songs. Keep them coming.

Carole

So anyway...

...who eats pizza around here :roll:

Had a Veggie Volcano from Dominos on Sunday. It was gorgeous. That and the Texas BBQ are definitely the best. :))

Pizza tends to give me the shits these days.

I can feel your excitement Meat. The cd is going to be amazing, and I'm truly grateful for all of your video clips.
Thank you :))

It's all about having fun, and I wish a few so-called "fans" on here would remember that and stop taking everything so seriously :mad:

Vicki

The all MEAT Pizza ,please,
M

if it's delivering to you from the Castleknock dominos around the corner from me it might take a bit longer then 40 minutes to get to across the atlantic...so by that logic you'd get it for free.

Oh yeah Chicken Texas BBQ for me!

I would agree with that. Pizza Hut Stuffed Crust Meat Feast. Puts me on the toilet for a couple of hours though!

Edit (R.): Steve, you need to look up the terms "offering advice" and "patronising". And while you're at it, look up the word "respect". Paragraph removed.

An opinion is an opinion and nothing more take it or leave it. :cool:

:lurk: