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Personally i hope it's not the end of the tweeters as they were starting to become good, maybe there's too many of them daily, but overall that's his choice.
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I like them too. It's nice to see what's happening in the studio.
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I loved Wednesday's tweet of Meat singing live. It was a generous gift to us, and though I don't want to dispute what Meat himself has said, I didn't take it as "fun" at all, but as an act of sharing. In fact, it kind of blew me out of the water, and eclipsed the rest of my usual "Meat Loaf morning" (I save the vids for morning because that's when I enjoy them the most); I had to turn off the computer early and go do other things, just to let it sink in. I would never have guessed he would send us a vid of himself singing full throttle!! (I did love the one where he was singing softly) so it was a big surprise, just the fact of Meat giving of himself in such an open, unguarded way. -Kathy |
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I dont think any of the comments in this thread was meant to 'put him down'
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The so called negative comments on this thread are nothing more than honest comments. Not "negative" but "honest". Big difference!
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The Randy Flowers and Patti Russo video is great I wish Patti would have participated a little more in that song I love to hear her sing.
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Hear hear! (Or possibly here here, I'm never quite sure!) Either way, I agree 100% Edit: thinking about it, I get really protective of my amateur tribute tracks at the link below, and would be very upset with criticism of my vocals, regardless of what I think of them myself. Yes, I realised when I posted them that I was opening myself up to a kicking - but that doesn't mean I'd enjoy being kicked, or that I wouldn't kick back. I guess no one likes to be told someone doesnt like something they put a lot of effort into. So, totally get where you're coming from Meat, but I think you sound fantastic. Tons of power and emotion in that unique and beautiful voice. |
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My opinion, i think meat should let the negetive nanny-poos say what they say and then he can laugh at them incessantly when they realise they were wrong and the song's kickass....
From what I hear, it has a real emotional curve handle with "lets be love theres no tomorrow ..." (i think thats what the lyrics are - i'm 18 so ipods have done wonders to my ears). It has the feel of "Did i say That". it sounds more Live to me, which, IMO, suits this segment perfectly. Now its story time children: Granted i used to not be fond frying pan cause the "wonder down the ancient hallway" verse was the only thing on the preview at this wallmart gift center scan thing. Lets just say that verse is not impressive by itself.It was the only song previewable on the scan thing. i saved 20 bucks and bought BOOH2 on the notion it wasn't gonna be that good. i skipped frying pan for like 3 months straight till finally i listened to it and i regret that to this day. THE END 12 second preview of unnamed Meat Loaf Song > Rocky Theme :cool: |
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The comments about the "vocal coaching" have been addressed already and yes I can see why Meat wasn't too happy with it.
What I would like to see, and have wanted to ever since I started posting here, is people being allowed to express themselves within reason and to not be afraid to post something just because it isn't perceived as positive. If you happened to like the song clips from the recent videos, great, music is there to be interpreted and enjoyed in many different forms by many different people. All i would say to that is people have differing opinions, some may not have liked it and some may have neither liked it or disliked it (i would fall into the latter category) and while some may have been put across more bluntly then they should have been, they are still people's opinions. What I'm trying to say is, let's try and be civil without going over the top, being insulting, condesending or patronising. Let's not go the route of a well known forum that descended into chaos where posts of anything but 110% praise where jumped all over. This is a forum, it's about debate, it's about getting points across and maybe just maybe it can be about having some fun and banter in here again and bringing back something that hasn't been used as much in a long time; respect. |
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I just want to see more of Kasim :-)) I do not like the videos he is not in...Nooooo Im kidding ;-)
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just seen the patti and randy tweeter...so i'd be happy enough to see more vids of Patti!
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You can't have a good debate here, because there's too much moderation. If you're an outspoken person you're made feel very uncomfortable because everything written about Meat Loaf has to be positive. I feel like I have to bite my tongue and I just jump on the bandwagon. That's not what I want and I'm sure deep down Meat Loaf doesn't want that either. |
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2 new videos are there and they sound great. I don't know who those people are singing but they are really fantastic. Now are they there to work on their own stuff or with Meat Loaf????
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Not sure what to make of the Justin Hawkins one, but the first one with James Michael seemed good.
I would presume they are to do with Meat's album but Rob Cavallo works with a lot of artists at the same time, so who knows. |
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As far as I remember those who said that they don't like what they heard in the video clearly stated that they'd have to listen to the entire song / album to know whether it's good or bad. No one has judged the song or the album in advance so far, at least not in this thread. Any criticism referred only to the 15 seconds clip. Whether it's useful or appropriate to say anything about those 15 seconds at all is another story. And now I will say something positive (yes, I can ;)): I like to hear Rick Brantley singing. He sometimes reminds me of the young Bruce Springsteen. Justin Hawkins: good singer, fantastic (!) guitar player. The Darkness were a great band, but I know only one Meat Loaf fan who likes them. Most Meat Loaf fans I know hate them. Does anybody know where that dislike comes from? Quote:
It seems as if there is a second voice at the end of the Hawkins video that sounds a little like Meat's. But the loudspeakers I'm currently using are pretty crappy, so I'm not sure. |
Meat! It's great seeing all the tweeters! The reason why I'm so drawn to them is because my cousin corey and I are doing the same thing. He plays guitar, and I write the lyrics. I know there's a bias on my part, but these songs are amazing. We would love for you to hear some rough recordings we made. I could add the lyrics in a PM or something. You're a very cool guy to me and the majority of social circle. I'll see what I can put on the youtube this weekend. If anything catches your ear of interest, you are more than welcome to use it :D
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like Meat said, "Don't think, just do." and this is why I posted the above, haha
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I rarely post here, and im starting to remember why.
First off, Thank you Meat for giving us this amazing insight into your recording process and the amazing song that you played for us. your voice is almost, dare i say it, better than the 70's. Secondly, to all you who want to judge a 15ish second clip, come off it people. Have you all fallen off your rockers? You cannot judge how good a song is by a clip! You have to listen to the whole thing and see how it plays out. I don't like posting here because im afraid I will be banned immediately if I say something that someone doesnt like. That is not how a community should be. is it? |
Hello, I'm new here. you can call me WarioGrl1 if you like :cool:
I Really like the justin Hawkin's segment. I guess this is Meat's first male/male duet since "Rock'n Roll mercenaries", which is Fantastic (and RRM was a fantastic song IMO)! thanks Meat!
I also like the James Michael and Rick Brantley video, though i never heard them, cause i'm terrible like that, but i take it thats a song called "the edge" off an album of some kind and not on this puppy Oh well both good videos. made me wanna order a pizza, but its 1:11 am here so I'm screwed. Thanks for that too :cool: |
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They did, in fairness, say that they didn't like those 15 seconds and that they'd need to hear the rest of the song to decide on the whole thing.
That said, it's a bit like judging the Chrysler building from the first 50 feet (yes, I did do the maths). Dave |
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Problem being, if Meat sees something he doesn't like he throws a wobbly then you have others jumping on the bandwagon, quoting Meat, throwing wobblies too and before you know it, shit has hit the fan. At times it's like a 'who's the biggest Meat Loaf fan' and if you don't agree with everything he says and does then you're not a Meat Loaf fan at all. :nuts: |
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1995. With much respect to you, it was a duet with vocals being shared by Meat Loaf and a man named Sammy Haggar. |
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Just to clear things up:
The service is called Twitter. You can find it at twitter.com. An individual update is often called a tweet. Posting on Twitter is sometimes called tweeting. Or you can say "I need to Twitter this." So, I'm on Twitter, posting my tweets. @realmeatloaf is tweeting too. So, please, no more of this "W00t! That vid in Meat's latest twitter was the r0xxorz!" nonsense. The video in the latest tweet or update was da shizzle. No one's twittering, and only tweeps are allowed to take this PSA too serious. |
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and meat seems to know that? you poor victim in all this;) |
I think the song sounds really interesting, thanks for the sneek peek. I have to second the above by saying please don't stop posting the peeks at the songs, I like all the ones i have heard so far, and the voice sounds incredibly strong in my opinion.
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Where's Hugh Laurie? I thought he was supposed to be doing a track with Meat?
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in LA right now writing for Meat Loaf's new record. He recorded Los Angeloser and it sounds INCREDIBLE! I did some singing on it yesterday!
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Interesting, thanks for the info. Finally a fun song. :-)
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Hmm, so Meat is trying to bit a bit provocative in his latest video with the skit about making an apple pie and Paul Crook saying it sucks before it's even cooked. But the analogy with what's been said on here and the apple pie skit doesn't work because Meat hadn't cooked the apple pie yet, where with the 15 second clip he's already given us a taste.
How-f*cking-ever, the video clip is funny, apart from Meat using the wrong sort of apples :)) <--- that's a smilie. |
Wrong Pudding, all I did on my sample was show you the apples. You didn't taste a thing.
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With a 15 second clip I think the chef let you have a look at how the meatball was made not how it tasted plus it would be pointless judging how the meatball would taste without the sauce as the meatball is going to taste a whole lot different with the sauce on it just like the apples will when they are cooked, dam these analogies :?
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:twisted: The link between food and music is not a new one.
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I just watched the "apple pie" video. These past few days I have been thinking I was guilty of the same thing really, judging 6 bars of a song prematurely. Upon first hearing Meat sing the other day, I had came away with "OMG how powerful and passionate!!" but the fact remains I had formed an "opinion" based on very little. But now after Meat's apple pie video, I get it. That's not the point. No, you're not a saboteur/detractor if you don't like the six bars, but if you say so, you are throwing cold water on Meat, who was only sharing a little bit of his creative process with us. He wasn't looking for our opinions or creative input, he was sharing some of his excitement with us, just as he might share with friends. He is undoubtedly giving and getting all kinds of criticism about the album among the other artists working on it with him. But we are not in that group!! He has every right to expect his friends to be positive for him, it's as simple as that. So are we his friends or not? Are we his friends, or just a peanut gallery? We can't have it both ways. -Kathy |
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The actual problem he's complaining about is what you might call the premature adjudication based on 15 seconds of an unfinished song. Dave |
I agree with Kathy .. It wasn't put up for advice, counsel or criticism .. just a share from someone who's enjoying the studio process, is excited about the new album he's making, and is communicating with us daily .. which is something rather special.
I said at the time the words sound interesting, the voice sounded like the Meat I love, but it was just a fragment from a recording. It makes me look forward to the day I'll be able to get this latest album .. but it's still an unknown to me, and that's exciting too :) No cold water to pour, nor peanuts in my lap! .. I just really appreciate the fact Meat is keeping touch and gives us occasional glimpses into what might be the finished product. It's his baby .. and perhaps not surprising he's taken aback if people voice opinions based on nothing more than a brief look at a pre-natal scan! Caryl |
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I understand what he was trying to do and if it was a case of someone having found this as a leak, when it was meant to be a private video I could understand his reaction because it would not have been meant for public consumption. But this is displayed on a website that can be accessed just about anywhere in the world and also by people who may or may not like Meat's music so an opinion is going to be formed and there is at least a 50% chance of the opinion being negative. When the album comes out, people will pays their money and have their opinion on whether it is good or bad. I'm hoping for it being a great album, as there's a great build up for it with a highly successful producer at the helm and Meat working alongside some talented musicians as well as his own track record. After all that hype if someone listened to those 15 seconds and thought "hey i don't like it", you have to let them think that if they want to. If someone thinks (and i'm paraphrasing a few, but mainly coming back to what Caryl said) "hey this is the Meat Loaf I want to listen to, it's great", you have to let others think it as well. Opinion is a powerful thing folks. No one likes to be criticised, even if it is constructive but at the same time, we are all open to it. We put famous people on a pedestal and believe they don't think and feel like we normally do; but hey they're human they do. |
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im not saying any members here said anything really bad [ but in the past meat has reacted badly to similer stuff!! ] and thats why im always saying that meat could raise the titanic and some people would still not be happy or give credit etc etc,, but he should just focus on the positives some of the stuff that was said after bat 3 came out [ was just too much at times ] fair enough if people didnt think it was good enough? thats ok, but saying its not a real bat album and meat should of called it something else then the comments on hes voice etc etc,, [ so in fairness meat is probably pissed off with the negatives? ] it doesnt have to be a lick ass society here, but when meat makes the effort to post things [ think twice before posting a comment ] i just think it will be better in the future? but hey! its your forum aswell |
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When Meat goes to public places like twitter and mlukfc, whose only purpose is to discuss things and share opinions, how can he expect people to not build an opinion when they see an extraordinary video like that? (And a singer letting a camera into the recording booth IS somethign extraordinary.) |
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Hello everyone, new to posting but I have read through this thread and it's developments.
I'm going to dive right in to the big topic with the "15" second clip is obviously controversial but reading all the posts, I don't think Meat is real worried about potential new fans making or breaking a decision to listen to him/become a fan based on a 15 second clip. I say this because he said that he put up the vocal off the cuff, not wanting it to be judged. But thought about it enough where he had 3 takes on the thing and Do you think Meat would've let a crap vocal (in his opinion) tweet out? IMO, the inclusion of us witnessing a project is special. I look forward to the near daily tweets (his schedule permitting) as his masterpiece unfolds. My first reaction to the clip was, FINALLY a Meat vocal. He could have sung the David, David, oh David song again....and I didn't really care what came out of his mouth because it was just MEAT. Pre-audio..before you hit play....it's just him with the phones on, in front of a mic and you can assume he's going to give you a vocal. Post-audio it left me wanting more lyrics and wondering about the accompanying music. Because Meat is unpredictable, I never know where he's going to take me emotionally. It's just Meat singing which makes for a great day! Opinion is powerful like a post or two above me have stated. An off the chart positive opinion can look just as bad as a negative one. Better fan? Positive one or the negative one? or the honest or positive? Are we saying that honesty also has to entail negativity? or Are we saying positive comments cannot be honest? Just something to think about. This is not a contest more like a difference in points of view and seems like a topic we won't have an answer to. Meat's latest tweet skit is powerful too. How do you know the pie is going to suck? Because Meat is using the wrong apples.....not as the recipe calls for? Who would know if you haven't tried it with the crust and brown sugar? It just made Paul, look like a jackass. (and I know Paul was a character in the plot; he's a really sweet guy in person). On the flip side, I did clearly read that those that formed a negative opinion of the vocal, also stated that they would have to hear the whole thing. Quote:
So we can argue if Meat gave us apples, meatballs & sauce, oranges, or 15 seconds of a process to try. Meat has explained his position and above all else we need to respect that position. He wants us to form an opinion on the album as a whole when it is released. As well as, save the constructive criticisms for now because we aren't part of THAT group. Have fun and lighten up. Seems like reasonable requests. Maybe all the hype here will at the very least make people think about what they post and maybe chill out arguing with Meat or trying to get a response out of him. The topic has obviously been bothering him to the point of addressing and rebutting. It's a real pleasure to see the creative juices flow and witness it. The suckie part is that the minority won't take the hint and may spoil it for the majority. Until next tweet, Suzieq |
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oh no... not again for the umpteenth year .. hahaha
y'all have made me hungry ... so ... i'm off for a mid-afternoon snack ...
but no worries ... i'll stay slim and trim by laughing my arse off... hahaha... tink ... in accord with Caryl's Volkswagen cliche' .. hahaha... :twisted: ... |
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Damn some people say I take things too seriously :nuts:
Has threatened earlier, I'm going to use my Chinese takeaway analogy :)) For all those who have a rod up their ass, this is just a bit of fun, you might not find it funny, but hey, I wouldn't either if I had a rod up my ass :roll: Imagine you've ordered a set meal for 4 and one of those dishes is sweet & sour chicken, the Chinese cook then offers you a piece of the chicken before the sauce has been added. Anyone who has ever worked in a chinese (I have) knows that the battered chicken on its own tastes pretty horrible but you add the vegetables and sauce and it's quite nice. Meat offered a small piece of battered chicken and to me it tasted fowl (<--- a play on word ;)) that doesn't mean I'm not going to like the sweet & sour chicken when it's complete, nor does it mean I'm not going to like the other dishes in my set meal for 4. It does mean though that if I like my set meal for 4, then I'm definitely going to be going back to the chinese wanting some more. For those who are easily confused: Sweet & Sour Chicken = the whole song Battered Chicken from a sweet & sour dish = the clip that was played. Set meal for 4 = the whole album And Meat is the Chinese cook :)) BTW: every Chinese in the UK I've been to and here in NZ, batter their chicken. Hmmmm, that sounds like a rude euphemism but it's true :lmao: |
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while some go a little bit over the top in negativity which sets off the positivity, others can go over the top in positivity which can set off the negativity. So you have a vicious circle and then those who are in the middle can be labelled as being negative because they haven't agreed with the overly positive side. I think there's room for all sides...but for as much as those who are being advised to not react negatively but to think about what they post, the same can be said for those who rise to the bait against the negative posts. Take a breath, re read what is being said and then decide if there's a need to post |
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saving a tree here: to Dave: Keeping silent is not lying, lol! It would only be supportive to say it's crap now if you thought Meat was so interested in your opinion he might go back and change the song because of it. After the album comes out, you can say it's crap, but Meat will be off working on something else and won't give a flying fig <--- that's a new fruit for our discussion :) But since you're not saying the clip is crap, I guess this is all moot? to Sarge: What I said was "he was sharing some of his excitement with us, just as he might share with friends." Do all those people you named share live clips of themselves making an album? Meat did, which was an unusual (and friendly!) thing to do. to Pudding: oh no, not more food, I am trying to stay on a diet, but I do follow your analogy, and even smiled at it, rod or no BUT there's a difference: no Chinese cook would offer a piece of the plain battered chicken (it's not salted so it's way too bland). Meat had more reason to be proud of his clip, and wouldn't have offered it if he hadn't thought we would like it. I have to admit though I thought it was cute that you pointed out that Meat had a bowl of eating, not baking, apples (most guys wouldn't have a clue) and liked Meat's reply as well, that that was all he had :) So thank you both for that :) -Kathy |
Great analogy Pudding - if I may steal it and extend it a little... by the way, the following bits are not aimed at you in particular Pud, just general comments...
Meat (as you say) is the Chinese chef. This here website is the Chinese chef's fan club site. We who visit this website are therefore people who profess to be fans of the Chinese food provided by this particular Chinese chef. It is therefore no surprise that when the Chinese chef serves us a tantalising morsel of his new dish, which he is very proud and excited about, and people criticise the cooking, the Chinese chef gets upset. This is not good for anyone, as your chicken may be merely sour when it arrives rather than also sweet, causing you to choke on it. Also, the future may hold less chicken for all of us, as the Chef may be reluctant to keep on introducing new dishes if they are not well received. Now, I am not saying everyone has to say they love every new dish the Chef produces, but I think it would be nice if all us customers and fans of the Chef remembered that the Chef is here "in person", giving us very unique and special appetisers of something he is very excited and passionate about, and we therefore should take his feelings into account when phrasing our feedback. This is, after all, a very public feedback forum. If someone could pm me some Ibuprofen, that would be lovely. Nighty night. |
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