This conversation makes me SAD. we've done this SO MANY times since I came here.

Hey maaaaaa, we want Meat Loafffffffff

I wasn't 'rudely dismissive' - I didn't say the other writers were 'crap' for example - just 'lesser' than Steinman.

HCTB or HIAH may have done well, but neither reached the top position in the UK charts or sold 40 odd million copies on the way to becoming one of the best selling albums of all time. :roll:

Fair points I agree, then again adele with 21 sold nowhere near 40 million. Times have changed sales wise.

Neither may have reached the top of the UK charts, but comparing total sales is pointless consider Bat is over 30 years older than either HCTB or HIAHB :roll:

And I simply completely disagree with your opinion that writers like James Micheal, Rick Brantley, and Evan Watson are "lesser" than Steinman.

The point was that the two are in different leagues when it comes to their success. :roll:

The point :roll: is that it is not a fair comparison :roll: who knows what HCTB and HIAHB will have sold in 20 years from now. Could be a completely different landscape, but with the short lifespan the 2 albums have had, you simply can't put them toe to toe with a 35+ year old album like Bat

It's sad this thread is totally going off topic constantly but what I find REALLY sad around here is that some people seem to want try to dismiss Jim Steinman as just another song writer / it doesn't matter. I'm sorry but I really think Meat and Jim's history together is worth more than that regardless of what specifics you can think of. They both created this entire musical world to begin with. To try to tear down Jim's songs before we even know what the hell his contributions are is simply wacko. You'd rather hear another songwriter? What's he going to write? How do you know?

It may not be a big deal to those that look at albums consisting just of some songs anyone can write but to Meat who called Jim a songwriter like no other at Jim's induction in the songwriter's hall of fame and his best friend in the entire world it IS a big DEAL.

So let's be happy for both of them.

I thought this album was a Booh Reunion or sorts. I hope Jim will be fully engaged in this album . I have some Steinman songs I really want to see done properly, but 2 of them are not really songs I would expect Meat to sing. One is Safe Sex and the other is [B]Tonight is what it means to be [/B]young. I also like most of the songs selected for the Bat Musical and some from the past from the Blind album, Sailor to a Siren. It has always been one of my favorite Meat songs and I would so like to hear it done again, without that wall of sound.
Anyone else have a wish list of songs you hope to hear ? Children is high on the list. I would have put " Body": at the top of the list. I think it has the potential to be as good as FCOL. It is a incredible song. It is a little painful knowing Meat won't be doing this song on this album. It is so worthy.
I'm going to be fine with other writers too, after all, one of Meat's best songs is " Amnesty is Granted" .

Graveyard shift would be cool!!!

check out this video someone put up for "Brave than we are".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfo_I1Lp18

other songs I'd like to hear on this album
vaults of Heaven

possibly some more songs from his Best of album.
I guess I can keep dreaming

It is really, really, really sad that it's not possible to include What Part Of My Body Hurts The Most on the new album... :(:(:(

I LOVE this song and I wish I could hear Meat sing it... It would really be a dream come true.

To Meat:
Is there absolutely no little tiny chance to include a recording of this song on the new album?

Personally I think its rather sad that someone can call ANY album of Meat's a 'trainwreck' on a site that is dedicated to Meat Loaf but if that's the way they feel about it then that's the way they feel about it.
For years I'd listened to Meat Loaf's songs without even knowing who'd written the songs in the first place and it didn't really matter to me and even now I'll listen to a song on the radio or something and enjoy it without putting much thought into who has written it.
Nothing anyone says will change my opinion on Steinman and I refuse to be dictated to about how I should feel about the increase in his contribution to this album.

But it's okay to dismiss the other songwwriters by calling their songs 'fillers' before we know anything of THEIR contributions? I think that's a bit of a double standard.

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What I think it really sad is that we're 22 pages into an argument that's been had countless times before and will be had again!

Generally there are two main groups on here - those who think Meat needs Jim to produce anything decent and those who love Meat's work regardless of who's behind it. We know that, it's always been that way and I'm sure will continue to be, so do we really have to go through this every time there's news?

What is also very sad is that a reasonable request from the mod team is completely ignored by everyone involved in the "dicussion".

It stops now please! Final warning.

So does anybody have any idea what songs jim could be using for the album? I remember Meat mention a song scars? He said it was a great song. Not sure who the writer is or if he even mentioned who.

I think to dismiss any songwriter is very disrespectful. Anyone that can get a song on a Meat Loaf album deserves all the respect in the world.
Meat is the one picking the songs and he clearly is leaning towards Steinman songs. Doesn't mean the other writers weren't up to par but as Meat has said he wants to work with Jim again and now he is.

I do think that was a Steinman one and I think someone pointed out it could be related to "Only when I feel"?
It certainly seems to be in the same kind of train of thought as that one or Body just going by the title.

From only when I feel: "There are scars on scars that I know will never heal"...

I think that's why a lot of people like Body it's all about growing older etc.

I wonder if it is the song Paul Crook referred to as being awesome but we shall see.

Looking forward to what the coming years will contain from Meat Loaf :) I am genuinely excited :)

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I'm convinced that Meat's choice which songwriter should be on the album, beside Jim Steinman, will be the best choice of all. ;)



PS. In my humble opinion there is (at least in this moment) plenty of place for other songwriters (for example: James Michael or Rick Brantley).

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OT: Watching from the bat caves :-)~
 

Loooooooooooord!

Exactly!!! Bring on the crashing pianos, the thunderous drums, and passion like no other can deliver ( amen )