Is Patti underrated?
 

An interesting article about underrated singers:

http://trendzonlinemagazine.wordpres...rated-artists/

not by anyone on this site! lol

Patty underrated? NO

(IMHO) She is the only female lead that matches Meat for the power, intensity and quality of voice. Others have been good but Patti sets a bar so high I dont think it will ever be matched.

On top of that she is an accomplished solo artist

I actually think Patti is better than Meat and has been for many years.

I agree. Could be a reason why she doesn't get to open for Meat :shrug:

... anymore. She did in 2002.

I think she is underrated.

Don't agree with that at all, just my opinion.
I do think Patti is amazing and am glad that she is performing with Meat.

:twisted: I don't think that's quite fair to say.

Patti is a fantastic singer and a real asset to the NLE, and I don't think Meat would be so petty as to try and hold her back because he feels threatened by her.If that were the case she wouldn't be in the band right now.
I believe Meat would wish her only success.

Perhaps Patti hasn't done any opening because she has got no album to sell, and that really is a bloody shame as there are a lot of folks who want it.
Also, perhaps it's not always up to Meat who opens for him.That would be down to the tour manager I imagine.

I don't think Patti is under appreciated by the Meat Loaf community or anyone else who knows her work (I think it's a bit weird having this thread on the back of one persons comments on a blog :wtf: ) but I think it's a shame she is not wider known.

Patti has opened for Meat in the past, she's been credited on singles and albums, she's been given her own song half way through the show (and what other female lead ever gets to do that? ) but still no CD being produced for sale.

Is she under appreciated?
No way.

Does she need better management?
HELL YEAH!

She is underrated, imo. There'd be no need to locate that in her partnership with Meat because she is an awesome artist in her own right, but I can't help but acknowledge that the way she made Meat's shows shine brighter (and the humble way she did that) in the past -and in the future- is beyond compare

I would definitely agree with that...it seems like there's been many times when it looked like she would break out; Notre dame de paris and we will rock you, but for reasons unknown to us it hasn't happened.

I want her to do an album before she pasts her prime.

Shes been in her prime forever. But one day her voice will indeed change.

I second that. Her voice and stage presence equal that of more known female performers. I guess no one who has ever heard her sing would deny that she's brilliant. She's not underrated, she's just not known to the general public (unfortunately).

Except for you maybe.:lol:

You just said i was better then Patti Russo.... :lol:

When did you have the operation?:D

I think she's exactly where she want's to be in her career and I don't think she's underrated at all.

Meat has said on a few interviews that she is a better singer than him.

I don't. I'm not saying she's not enjoying what she's doing, but she has bills to pay like everyone else.

But shes still a very wealthy woman....

Some people don't want to be the headline act - perhaps she's one of those? She certainly deserves to be, but it takes a huge amount of drive and determination to get there, and perhaps she's happy where she is at.
She is very highly valued by Meat, by Queen, and by others like Cher. When she is performing with them she doesn't have to worry about creating the show, advertising it, what % seats are sold etc etc - she just picks up her pay check and gets flown all around the world at someone else's expense - perhaps thats enough? I certainly wouldn't complain at that!
What I am sure of though is that unless she comes on here and tells us then we will never know!

Pudding, Sometimes you are an idiot. Patti and I love each other and she is where she wants to be or she would not be here. That was just a really stupid comment ! Do you just do this because you are mean or is it fun to cause a fuss. Get me to react. If so , good job. You are a very very bad boy. I'm going to have to slap you in the head in Christ Church ! HARD !!!!!

M

YES PATTI IS I HAVE SAID IS BETTER AND I BELIEVE THAT. BUT WATCH OUT BECAUSE I'M KEEPING UP WITH HER. I HATE FOR YOU TO LOOK LIKE A FOOL. BUT THEN AGAIN YOU DO THAT ALL BY YOURSELF !! I THINK THE WHOLE BAND IS BETTER THAN ME . BUT THERE IS NO ONE WHO CAN CONTROL AND STAGE AND A WHOLE BUILDING LIKE I CAN ANYMORE. NO ONE OUT THERE. THAT IS NOT EGO THAT'S THE TRUTH. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO COULD BUT THEY ARE LAZY ! DON'T COME BACKSTAGE, I WILL EAT YOU ALIVE DUDE NOT JUST HIT YOU HARD. DON'T COME BACK STAGE . I WILL EAT YOUR ARM , YOUR LEG AND BOTH EARS FOR A FINAL SNACK. YOU MUST BE ABOUT 5'2''
M
THE 5'2" WAS AN INSULT , IN CASE YOU COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT :-)

Was it not in the Meat Loaf: behind the music TV programme (1998 ) when she said "If Meat calls me and says we are doing a show, I'm there!" ?

She's always been great with Meat since 1993. The underrated bit I don't get. It's the same as with the Steinman thing. The more Meat seems to credit others, the more some people seem to whine about it. I've personally actually never seen writers or backup singers or bands get as much credit as with Meat in fact. Look at album covers, tour books, what is said on stage and how often has Meat stated stuff about how good the band is on this board? (like every 3rd to 4th post or so).

Should Patti go out and do her own thing (too), maybe but surely only if she really wants to. The rest of Meat's current band line up is just as spectacular imo; Justin.

I do love when Meat comes here post-good show! :lol:

Patti is, in my opinion, the best female vocalist I have ever seen and probably will ever see. I could go on and on but there's just not enough words I can think of to give that woman enough credit...and I think how we all feel about her was evident in the reactions to her leaving and returning. Love her!

On a side note, I thought Patti did open for Meat on the 2002 Route Of Kings tour, as did Kasim...?

First of all Christchurch is one word ;) and I could do with a good head slapping :))

The comment wasn't stupid at all, your interpretation of it is kinda twisting what I'm saying. Your mutual love for each was never in question. Patti has written some fantastic songs, I'm sure she'd like to perform them in front of an audience. She's been on stage a few times in musical theatre, perhaps that's what she'd like to do again.

Truth of the matter is. Is she completely happy just being the lead female for Meat Loaf until whenever? or would she like to be the lead singer for herself?

Do you think he's tasty?

(Note to self: Don't visit this forum before breakfast.)

In Texas Christ Church is 2 words , never argue wit a Texan. :-)

Get it wit !
Oh one more thing I was a member of the Debate Team in High school and never Lost.

I think he is soft and salty !! Always eat salt before I go on stage so he will be perfect. :-)
M

I've never tasted myself so I can't confim that one!

LMAO at Meats posts, go Meat, eat em up! Oh btw have you made a secret trip to the UK already? It's just the other day I saw a house painted in green and yellow stripes......

Did it have BUM written on it?

Didn't see it but I only saw one side. Could have been.

Probably because they were confused...LOL Still Christchurch ;)

Meat is going to slap that wobbly Ass of yours.:-)

Thats quite a disturbing image ;) :shock:

The owner must have said something very bad about HCTB. :twisted: Or has just a misguided taste...

Surely a little bit from your hand must have ended up in your mouth;)

It's never been a competition between Meat & Patti. They are both amazing artists in their own right. From my understanding, the question was- is Patti underrated in the music industry. The answer is- of course, she's been overlooked by the music industry. She's an amazing singer/songwriter, and she should have had several solo albums by now.

She's certainly not underrated by the Meat community. It's true she's not featured as much in the new show and it seemed odd that in the press release for HCTB, the guys in the band and the guest artists were mentioned but not Patti. Would Patti like to be the opening act or sing a solo? Only she could answer that.

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been credited on singles and albums, she's been given her own song half way through the show (and what other female lead ever gets to do [i]that[/i]? ) but still no CD being produced for sale.

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Technically, she wasn't credited on the "I'd Lie" single and wasn't in the video.

Patti also got to sing a solo in Cher's show. I'm not sure why the songs YMCA/ Disco Inferno were chosen, but she sounded great.

I would think her biggest moment featured onstage would be when she sang lead vocals on 3 songs for Queen at the Queen's Day festival in Amsterdam. And her biggest moment featured on cd would be her 3 solos on TSO's album.

:twisted: Ellen Foley wasn't credited on Paradise, and also was not in the vid.

Cher was not credited on Dead Ringer (the single) although she did the vid.

Lorraine Crosby, neither credited or in the vid.

I heard one theory posted on here that perhaps Patti didn't want to be in the vid, or perhaps she was busy with something else when the vid was shot :shrug:



Yet another way that Patti is not under rated by the people who work with her or know her.
Giving (what is after all, no matter how talented) a support singer some spolight time of their own shows emence respect from the artist.
She is not under rated, she is just not well known enough, and that is the fault of her management.


If those are the two high spots of her career, then she's being short changed IMHO because I think she should have much much more.

I seriously doubt that. In her Amsterdam interview, Patti said she cried before they filmed the "Is Nothing Sacred" video because it was the first time she actually got to star in a video. If Patti had been asked to be in the ILFY video, we know she would have been thrilled to be in the video. The reason I heard was because they wanted to continue on from the AFL video. I know it's the same model but she has a different look in the 2 videos so they could have just as easily used Patti. In my opinion, Patti is a better actress and just as beautiful.



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She is not under rated, she is just not well known enough, and that is the fault of her management.

If those are the two high spots of her career, then she's being short changed IMHO because I think she should have much much more.[/QUOTE]


I agree with you. I don't think she's underrated. I think she is not promoted enough and she absolutely deserves bigger highlights in her career. But those are pretty impressive features, nonetheless. I should have said her biggest featured moments so far. I still think she will release that solo album we're all waiting for.

Speaking of her, does someone around here know the name of the model in the AFL and ILFY vids?
Someone asked me the other day and I couldn't remember, that's why I ask our collective memory of Meat Loaf-Trivia ;)

It's Dana Patrick. ;)

ah right, thanks :)

Didn't a review in Rolling Stone Magazine years ago comment about why doesn't Patti have a record deal? I know I read that in a review but I can't remember now.

I agree with you seriously doubting it :up:

I don't know if Patti is overrated, underrated......or any other kind of rated. All I know is Meat and Patti have remarkable chemistry on stage, and I believe they make each other better!

Great statement! I agree.. their chemistry on stage make each other better... love how they "play" off each other.. fun to watch!

Says it all

In my world she's not under rated. For all those mentioning that she should support would that not be a huge strain on her voice?

Is patti underrated
 

I think patti is a fantastic singer just like meat loaf so no i dont think patti is underrated at all i just think she is a fantastic person who works very hard and i cant wait to see her live with meat loaf again

Patti is not underrated at all. She never released a top selling album, music people don't know her. We do because she's associated with Meat Loaf, but if she wasn't we wouldn't either. She is a fanastic singer....but her whole career has been spent as a duet partner.

We could say the same thing about Marion Raven...excellent singer, but the only thing she's known for so far is the duet with Meat Loaf. Does that make her underrated too?

That's not right. She has released albums and had hits. She was well-known in some countries already and they probably thought they could introduce her to the rest of the world via Meat. Strangely, she apparently hasn't been that successful after her collaboration with him... but she provided Meat with a No. 1 hit in Norway. ;) Her ex-colleague Marit Larsen had a No. 1 hit over here, without having to hijack someone else's album. No offense intended towards Marion, I believe it wasn't her fault.

Patti is a better performer though. My first thought when I saw the IACBTMN video was "Who's that girl? Where the hell is Patti?" And then: "Oh, they think the old man can't have a hit on his own anymore, that's why they hired a young chick to sing Celine Dion covers with him." Marion Raven is a good singer but not the right partner for Meat, in my opinion. No one compares to Patti in this respect.

Patti is a better performer that's why Meat brought her back. Marion Raven sang IACBTMN because that's what Desmond Child wanted...he wanted to promote her. Patti was mistreated Meat has told us this already. But the whole thing about her being underrated is nonsense...she just doesn't get enough exposure.

Marion wasn't Desmond's choice, she was the record company's. Desmond can't be blamed for everything on Bat III

That's what I thought, too, until Meat revealed this:

That's what he said. No matter whether it was the producer or the manager, I'm surprised that Meat allegedly hadn't a say regarding the issue. (???) I always thought such people are paid to work for the artist? But then again, I don't know the background...

I don't blame anyone because Marion is a very good singer, and it didn't bother me one bit that she got the gig over Patti but a lot of people on this site and Meat fans in general probaly weren't happy with that, and I'm sure Patti wasn't either. But record companies have an agenda..and they get their own way.

I'm guessing Kovac pitched the idea to the record company..and once they seen she was young, sexy, and had a good voice that was enough to warrant her inclusion IMO.

I understood it as boiling down to a question of money. The record co had a budget to promote Marion and a budget to record and promote Bat III, by combining the budgets (or more likely knowing how bean counters work in business by combining the budgets and then knocking some off the total) and including Marion on the single they killed two birds with one stone.

Yeah they had a budget, but correct me if I'm wrong again but didn't they go way over that budget? So instead of trying to kill two birds with the one stone they ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

Pure specualtion of course. But it might have been part of the reason to bring Marion in, to offset some of the losses by using the budget they had set aside for promting her as an artist.

At the end of the day Image plays a massive part in everything. Yeah maybe it might have been budget issues, but we'll never know the answer to that unless we're told. But Marion Raven is a very attractive woman...and in the record business that's nearly enough to get you a deal. I mean "sex sells"..yes Patti is attractive but age is another factor to consider. It's nasty but that's how things work in this day and age.

Not on this tour. She mostly sings backup. She only sings lead at the end of AFL and Paradise and harmony on the encore. I'm hoping they will add IICHY to the setlist for future shows.
She opened the show in 2002 and then sang in Meat's show. She's certainly capable of doing both.

:twisted: Can we blame him for that tw@t of a picture of him holding the top of his head in his hand?
I mean, seriously, what was the fricking deal with that? :wtf:

That was a complete and utter waste IMHO.
Great to listen to, but where was the CD at the merch stall?
She had nothing to sell then, and there is still nothing for sale now.
If she had even a single for sale at those concerts she could have made a good few quid from it as well as getting a lot more exposure.


She certainly can do both, but that's not to say she should.
She was given a song of her own halfway through the show, which shows emense respect IMHO (not to mention a very special treat for the fans) but it is a Meat Loaf show, and I wouldn't like Patti doing something in the show because it becomes obligatory.
Especially when she has got nothing to promote, because it's a complete and utter waste.

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Especially when she has got nothing to promote, because it's a complete and utter waste.[/QUOTE]

Maybe she will have something to promote at the UK shows. We can hope.
She said in her HMH interview that she was supposed to have a cd for sale on the Casa tour, but something went wrong with the mix.

She made a living performing with Meat Loaf. The woman isn't under any pressure to release albums or isn't contractually obligated to either. So long as Meat keeps making albums any touring Patti will never be out of work. I'd love to see her release a Bonnie Tyler type record in the future. Patti is Jim Steinman's favourite female singer...Meat did mention this on the MSO DVD. So maybe he should give her a few songs to record.

But we don't know how much money Patti has made, nor how much she has spent. Meat obviously hasn't got many years left, so Patti needs other avenues of income.

I'm sure she has quiet a bit of money stashed away....she's done a hell of a lot of tours, and probaly will do many more. You get more than pocket change for work like that. Revenue shouldn't be an issue. She will no doubt get plenty work on broadway, if she doesn't get it touring or making albums. She's a good actress too.

How much do you think she gets paid per tour? and how much do you think she gets paid when she's not touring with Meat? Also how much do you think she needs to live off? pay bills, house, clothes, food, travelling etc etc etc?

Just because she has a job performing with NLE, doesn't mean she's rich.

I don't think anybody holds a gun to Patti's head to make her go on tour with Meat Loaf. Therefore, I would assume the financial arrangements, whatever they are, are just fine with her. I just hope she's there as long as he keeps performing.

Maybe she does it because it's an enjoyable thing to do? Money isn't everything.

i agree let's all live in peace and harmony like the federation of united planets:shock:

I don't think there's anyone who has had money 'stashed away' that is in a position where they can afford to wait 6 months to a year for a tour to come along, especially if she's trying to establish herself by working on songs and/or an album. Believe me from first hand experience these things cost a lot of money when you don't have a record company to back you up.


there's established actors that can't get work on broadway, you're making it sound like it's very easy for anyone to walk in off the street and be in a musical/play just like that.

I would love to see Ms Russo break out and become a massive success and all the tools are there for her to do that.

Whether she can still is another thing, not one meat loaf fan will doubt that she's an incredible talent. But to Joe public or a critic she is just one of meat's 'backing singers' which is not fair to her but still.

About €10,000 per concert

She's probaly doing some local gigs that we don't hear about. Just because she isn't in the papers or on TV doesn't mean she isn't doing gigs or work of her own, and getting well paid for it. I'd put a bet with you that she has a lot of money.

She's been with him a long time..she's getting better paid than the rest of the band, and I'm sure she got extra when he asked her to come back and join the band again.

But Patti performs with one of the most successful male artists of all time. Comparing her financial situation to that of a butcher, nurse, or barman is laughable, but as I said to Pud above she's proably doing gigs that we never hear about. I doubt she sits at home all day hoping for Meat Loaf to give her work.

How much money do you think Meat makes per tour?

No one did, did they?

How many stalkers do you think Patti has?, I can think of 3 off the top of my head. If Patti is doing a gig then someone on here is going to know about it.

The delusion that someone automatically thinks someone is wealthy just because they're performing on stage, especially when they're not even the main act is mindblowing.

At a rough guess 10 million I'd say.


No they didn't but from some of the replies on this thread you'd think she was getting a salary to that of a normal person. She's famous enough Patti is...and I'm sure she's getting more than $400 a week.



I don't think she has any stalkers and how do you know she has three? who are they? Well I don't think she sits around all day doing nothing do you?

Now come on Pud she's been on stage and touring for a long time..she has to be financially healthy. She doesn't strike me as an alcoholic or a gambler who would blow thousands in one night. If she was I'm sure we'd know about that too!!!

maybe this thread should've been changed to 'is patti (financially)overrated?'

I don't really get the assumption that just because someone works in the entertainment business they are automatically wealthy.

If you want to find out the true meaning of what established artists can earn in the music business take a look at 'Playing Live' by Paul Charles.

you'd be amazed at what the breakdown is for concerts at big venues and how little it makes overall for the artist.

But doesn't the artist have a set fee before they go out on tour? As in a contract which shows what they'll get from doing the tour?

Ok, ok, ok, please stop, I nearly fell off my chair at this one, hilarious!!!!!!!

it's nowhere near 10 million and is usually 85% of the gate (if you're lucky) or a set fee, but that fee doesn't include expenses that the artist has to pay out.

The artist isn't in charge of any of that though...that's his managers, and tour managers job. Meat/Patti whoever get their cut and walk away. Let the managers deal with the expenses. If Meat did a long enough tour he'd bring in 10 million no bother.

if wishes were horses steve...

anyway back to what the topic is supposed to be and it's not about whether Ms Patricia Russo is wealthy...

Turnover or profit?

It's about if Patricia is underrated...ok lets think of where to get this thread back on the rails again. I just need some of this....:hic: and a bit of this :cheer: now my imagination is alive and well.

Ok if Patti was to release a big solo album what songwriter should she team up with? I'm going to say Steinman for two reasons Number 1 he's the first person who came into my head..and number two they would make a perfect team. Jim likes Patti...and boy can Patti sing Steinman songs well. Does anyone know if Patti can write songs??

Agreed, Nor should it be imo about wild assertions and daft assumptions as to what financial gain anybody, including Meat, gets from a tour. No-one knows and it's no-one's business but theirs.

Steve6, you don't know what the arrangements are. Check the tour book .. I believe there's no official "tour manager" and John posted that Meat was working on and managing the budget for the tour. You do not know how this tour is being organised and managed, nor what level of input or control Meat has. Speculation and bald assumptions from a position of ignorance are in my view rather impertinent.

Caryl

Steve prays to the good lord for guidance :pray:....before slowly backing away from this thread. :shock:

:lurk:

I think Steve has plucked his figures from thin air. I'm willing to bet both Meat and Patti have enough money to be 'comfortable' but I don't think they are as rich as he thinks seems to think.

Im sure Meats pretty rich. More then sure.

He probably has a net around 28 mil (Around Danny DeVito's net worth)

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Now, that all the last word freaks have had their say can we get back to the topic please as Mike requested?

I've often wondered why between Meat Loaf tours the NLE hasn't done their own small venue tour with Patti as the lead? Would that take the focus off of Meat a little bit?

An interesting thought.

Take a look at her MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/pattirusso
She has a couple of own songs which are really good.

The NLE aren't established enough though..everyone comes to see Meat Loaf not the NLE or Patti who happen to be part of his act. They may sell a small venue with Patti as the lead..but that will never happen. It's Meat's band and to a certain degree Jim's too.

I also think it maybe a bit late in Patti's career to branch out and start a solo career. Stranger things have happened though.

Perhaps the NLE need a break from each other after each tour. No matter how well they get on, they need space too.

They aren't with each other every week of the year though. They get together for a tour, and the rehearsal for the tour but that's about it. They have plenty of free time to pursue other projects like Meat. Paul does...I don't know about the others.

imo more than a couple of songs are really good... btw all the songs on her myspace are by Patti

OK: She has a couple of songs which are all ~~~~ing great! Better? :lol:

;) At least this gives a pause from looking into Patti's wallet :-P

Can it be classed as a solo career if you're part of a group?

I'm going to be pedantic and say co-written by Patti ;)