Meat takes a stand on AFL
 

Right on Meat!

http://www.couriermail.com.au/entert...-1226174054027

Good one wario. I commented but not sure if they'll post it! lol.

They couldn't even write that article without be snide and sly, making Meat out to be delusional and rude.

I wouldn't blame him for not going back. A$$holes.

I don't know if he has done himself a favor with this.

"I Couldn't Have Said It Better Myself"! :)

Too f***ing right Meat! If you need an army to kick some of these stupid asses, i'm there with you man!

"butt smellers"

Oh My!! Good for him. This article made me smile, first line of defense against ML cyber bullies has started. I bet if felt good for him to get that off of his chest, publicly.

To be honest i think he would've been better off not responding since it's an argument he can't win no matter what he says

Absolutely Agree its ~~~~ing epic, good on you Meat! WOOT.

Gotta respectfully disagree. I think Meat needs to stand up for himself. It makes him look like the underdog, which works to his advantage. THey'll just keep tearing a strip off him, maybe him standing up and telling them off will help. I imagine it will. And it will vindicate the efforts of all fans who are standing up for him, that we're in this fight together!

I agree...why should Meat just lay down and take that kind of verbal/cyber/media abuse? He didn't take his ball and go home. He didn't cancel the tour. He has many happy fans that went to the show. So, he does have some aces in his pocket to testify against the onslaught and prove them wrong.

i doubt it, whatever fee was paid has been paid, the organisers stood up for him and he still criticises them. If the organisers were asking for their money back, and as far as I know they haven't, then that'd be one thing. But like I had previously said It's a losing battle to take on the press and internet commentary because there's always a negative opinion to be found easily enough.

I'm with allrevvedup. He should just let it go. He only provides the critics with more ammunition and makes himself vulnerable. This defensive-offensive reaction will not get him anywhere and can backfire. It just adds fuel to the fire and might trigger more negative comments - and who wants (needs) that?

He can't change the past. Maybe it would be better to stop thinking about and feel bothered by it and invest his energy in something more positive and constructive.

Exactly ! WTG Meat :-)

yep

Then again if he stays silent, does that portray weakness? If they keep taking shots at him, why is him fighting back an issue? If you walked into work everyday and got punched in the face, how long before you fight back?

He doesn't have to stay "silent". He obviously feels hurt and I understand his feelings but you have to consider how exactly you react to things like that, how you word your statements, if it will make sense to "fight" or if it will be a waste of time and maybe cause even more damage. Try to see it from a non-fan's and a business perspective.

yeah but Meat's place of work will not only be Australia and if potential promoters are reading this, they will not want to see a potential client of theirs criticising an establishment that has paid them to play a show.

Like i said it's an argument he can't win.Great if he feels they are wrong, but c'mon Meat keeps telling us he's 45 years in the business and if after 45 years he doesn't believe that some people will dislike what he does, no matter what he does, then you might as well pour a ton of salt into the wound as it's going to sting him for a long time to come.

Meat is about the truth. The AFL was the catalyst, which stemmed into closed minded _ butt sniffing sheep "well if he was bad at the AFL, then his live show must be bad...and that's what I'm going to say." Hence the snowball effect.

People who haven't seen the show and read reviews all over the world on the internet...erroneously determine that the reporters point of view must be accurate. Never mind the hoards of fans that post that they had the time of their life. Discount the super fans altogether because they are obviously biased. NO, instead believe the stick in the mud reporter who has had the job maybe a week, who sits on his duff, who is too busy scribbling notes and know half titles of albums, spell his name as one word, THE SAME DUDE who probably asked a half drunk fan the name of the song he wants to tear up at some point. Rant about this over!

So why? Why can't Meat defend himself? He can remain extremely positive and keep his balls too! He should not be a doormat. Maybe this is the only time he'll have his shot to say anything back to them. I'm glad he grabbed the moment. Because I read this article at those people who are butt sniffers are the silly ones. He's turned it around on THEM and gave out a warning shot. We'll see if any other media approaches Meat or if he simply declines to comment. He may have said all he needs to and I am proud that he can leave AU with that in his cap.

From a NON-FAN perspective:
Your kidding right? Controversy sells. Besides Meat's been around the block enough where promoters are already going to like him or not. He sells enough tickets. They don't care if he's grateful. He's not a DIVA for the love of Pete, the man sells himself...the name sells itself. Just get him his wheat thins and a friggin' piano and he's happy.

Go Meat! Give them what for! The damn press deserve it too, and the AFL pansies! Australian Meat fans will lose out big time in the future because of these tossers!!!

Way to go Meat, that's telling them. I left a comment too, don't know if they'll post it though.

Carole

He was treated terribly by the AFL. He should have been treated like a veteran performer who is respectable. Instead he was treated like a washed up failure.

And no, the AFL did not back Meat. They said that it was "not just Meat Loaf" who was the cause of the bad entertainment. They never defended him directly.

The way the entire thing was handled is poor, and I blame AFL for all the constraints they put on Meat for the performance. Those constraints definitely impacted his performance. (giving him less time to perform than initially agreed upon)

Yo ppl.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/entert...-1226174054027

Perhaps its time to hop on this site (no login required) and post some positive uplifting statements about Meat.

Thx,
Matt

@Matt

I tried twice...they posted Rob's but otherwise they also have a selective style of comments they wish to post.

WOW really ? That's good to know Suzie.....I guess they really wanna screw him over eh ? :shock:

I can't for the life of me see any attribution that makes me trust what Meat's quoted as saying actually .. no reference to an interview or a name of an interviewer.

I think ARU has a point when he says
although we should remember that Meat has said he was not paid a fee for the public performance that resulted in the negative campaign.

But I do agree this is an argument Meat can't win. He has every right to say what he thinks of those who manipulated and joined in the campaign of cyber-bullying, but is probably best to leave it in his dust now as he moves on. He is bigger than them, better than them, and he has new fields to play, new goals to score, and he will.

The less said now the better imo .. they'll get bored when they don't get a pay-off and look for another target for their poison pens, and commenting is unlikely to help because for every comment from one of us that the site decide they'll let through, there will be a dozen who will seize on it to add more flames .. and all of those will get published.

Meat is a man with more heart, more drive, more soul than they could even vision in their wildest imaginings. He will scale more peaks than they can even dimly see from the ground. And as he does, what was so deeply hurtful and unwarranted will recede as the next horizon beckons and he devotes his impressive energy towards reaching that, visioning what lies beyond it and re-setting his sights again.

Caryl

Wow, that is so typical. They posted mine, but I have noticed the majority are negative. That's unbiased journalism for you.

Carole

They posted mine, but I mean some are vile and have nothing to do with his performance!:roll:

They posted my comment.

look hes given the real fans in australia some great shows. thats what he went there for and hes achieved that, now on to new zealand:D,, he did right telling the media and afl to go f%%k themselves.

That's right. I said:

Meat Loaf is right. People are dumb because they don't keep up to date. If they had heard his last two albums they would have known how he sounds now and what to expect. The trouble is people don't keep up to date, and people who haven't seen him in concert before probably expect him to sound like he does on Bat Out Of Hell 1 & 2. Well guess what, he doesn't. He's been singing 40+ years, those albums were sped up, he's had 4 surgeries on his voice over the years, and the songs he sings are the hardest out there and wears down the voice like no other artists songs. So anyone who thinks he should sound the same as 1977 or 1993 is lazy and hasn't done their homework as he said.

Mistake by Meat
 

I think that its a mistake for Meat to bite back like this.

He is a grown man and knows his limitations as a performer. The AFL was a train-wreck waiting to happen and I WISH I WISH I WISH he had performed to a full backing track INCLUDING vocals. He knew it was going to be an almost impossible task so why on earth did he agree to do it that way? I can't imagine that he is a pushover...!

As an audio professional I'm also becoming tired of complaints directed towards mixes and monitor engineers. I've heard it quite a few times over the past few years and struggle to believe that people working towards the top of their game in TV and live audio make such errors.

Struggling.

Luke

meat said nothin gabout the mix being bad. He just couldnt hear the monitors and was complaining the AFL didnt let him use a live piano

It sounds that the event was really crappy organized by the AFL and I believe Meat in this.

BUT: I think it is not a good idea to threaten people expressing their opinion on internet, no matter how stupid things they say. He has to understand that you should not feed the trolls in the internet.
I think it is even a bad idea to do that on the "own" unofficial fan board....(for that he lost some of my sympathy because of things in the past)

You should never get certain internet communities against you.

I don't agree, yes if you ignore things and just don't comment sometimes the story goes away and people forget. But Meat has videos posted of his music on youtube and places all of the time, and on all of them at the moment there are insults, so depsite him being quiet since the AFL thing people have continued to troll, so the story isn't going away.

I wouldn't expect him to sit back and take it, and I certainly wouldn't in his place. Besides which Meat is a personality where if you decide to take him on, you better damn well expect him to kick your ass! He's never been one to sit back and take any crap, i'm exactly the same so I can understand how he feels.

As I said "mixes and monitor engineers"

Video here of what I am assuming they took the text from for that interview

http://video.news.com.au/2158227484/...-butt-smellers

Thanks Mel .. and as soon as BT gives me some decent level of decent level of connection I'll view it. I was, as always, suspicious of quotes unattributed to an interview or interviewer by name, and still don't actually know how selective they have been, although suspect they will have been.

Caryl

yup, the aftermath maybe a little touch to chew :(


DO NOT WATCH THIS IF YOU ARE AFRAID OF THROWING SOMETHING AT YOUR MONITOR OR IF YOU HAVE A SHARP OBJECT WITH IN REACH :(

**** REMOVED THE VIDEO EMBED ****

PS. This guy needs a bridge, and badly

They're having a field day on Meat's Facebook page too :(

I see it from a human behavior perspective. Humans can only be pushed so far. This is not going to hurt his business in other countries. If Axl Rose can still book venues with his reputation, then this will not hurt Meat. And not saying anything wasn't exactly keeping the negative posts at bay. So I say fight back!

Again, if Axl Rose can book venues, then this won't hurt Meat.

@ Rage Against: I disagree and stick to what I said before. Judging by the reactions I've seen on on the web, he apparently did not benefit from making those statements at all.

Hopefully those reactions will be put to rest and people can move on once Meat posts his own video :shrug:

He did benefit.

Sure, people came on his facebook and started bashing him.

But hundreds of true fans fought back, and people who enjoyed the shows posted positive comments, and drowned out the haters.

For Meat, honesty, being upfront about how humble he is and how he knows he was treated is important. It means that anyone who books him in the future will treat him with respect because he demands that respect. He deserves fair treatment.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

He did not. If he did you wouldn't have to "drown out the haters" on "his facebook" now.

I'd rather he has haters on his facebook and speak his mind, let out his anger at how hes being treated, than sit silently and continue to take it up the you know which.

You want him to be angry and have haters on his facebook? Well... If you consider "haters" vs. "true fans" battles desirable, so be it. I'm not keen on seeing the AFL thing becoming a never-ending story and cast a cloud over everything Meat Loaf is doing at the moment.

I dont want them there at all, but i do want Meat to stand up for himself.

Yah, i hope it doesn't either. Hopefully his next video helps defuse things

I've tried defending him on this page quite a lot, and anywhere else I see shit posted. It's just a losing battle thought, too many trolls.

This is exactly why Meat should ignore this stuff. A near toothless guy who can not grow a proper mustache, has bad tattoos, and purple tinted glasses. He probably posted from his mom's basement next to the furnace off the neighbor's wi-fi. I suspect there's a lot of things he'd do for $500 alright.

I just can't......the first 10 seconds made my stomach turn for the worse.

Fat Aussie F........Wit!

I just i off after he said, and i quote:

"For years and years and years he basically just ABUSED HIS FANS, quite often DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR CONCERTS, QUITE OFTEN CANCELED CONCERTS, he would turn up and sing a few songs and then crack a sh-t and walk off stage....."

This toothless freak has Meat confused with Axl Rose.

I don't think people should be required to "do their homework" in order to enjoy a show; they pay their money and expect to be entertained.

Personally, I like to know what songs an artist has been performing before I go to a show, because I feel that I enjoy the concert better if I know the songs. However, I don't feel that I'm under any obligation to do so, and that I'm "dumb" if I don't.

IMHO I think he was talking about the people (so-called "fans") who complain when he doesn't sound exactly the same way he did when BOOH came out back in the 70's, not the fans who may not know what songs he's going to sing at the show.

It's probably just me but I'm sorry to say that I found parts of that video on the couriermail site a bit disturbing to say the least. :-(

Yeah, I think that's what he meant too; what I was getting at was that for me, that's the extent of "homework" that I do, and for my own reasons. Granted, expectations versus reality are one thing, but to say that people are "lazy" because they didn't make an effort to find out what the artist sounds like now is just wrong, IMO. I don't think it's part of the "contract" when I buy a ticket- the performer is required to prepare, not the audience. ;)

No worries

Good point ;)

I'm sorry but that guy in the video is just... :sick:

Comes across as quite a lowlife as well...

What parts?

I haven't watched this and have no intention of doing so.

My question is, if the man recording this is as appallingly rude as it appears, and if he said what you have posted here .. why did you bring it here and embed it?

Meat's suffered an appalling campaign of abuse, and from the interview which I've now seen, is still clearly upset by it. Not surprising imo. He's had to weather a sustained torrent of abuse directed at him by a vociferous minority (who mostly in my view know little about him or his work but are just the kind of empty vessels which jump on any chance to attack those with the kind of success they could never dream of achieving; anyone who could weather that without being profoundly hurt would have the hide of a rhino, and not be the caring and compassionate man he is, nor deliver songs with such deep emotional intensity.

Meat may be cruising YT for all I know, looking for videos that are a further collection of misinformation and profanity directed at him, his professionalism, his acting and his performing skills, but personally I doubt it. He has been visiting here regularly though, commenting on threads relating to the Australian tour, and it seems to me that a thread with this title might well attract his attention.

So why bring this here? If someone draws on's attention to something cruel, ridiculing, profane, arguably libellous, about one it's hard to ignore it. But not something one wants to see surely? Certainly not likely to make one feel better, or put the abuse behind one. I just wonder why ..

Caryl

I was wondering exactly the same thing :(

Can we get a "Like" button???

Not sheep, but butt sniffers nonetheless!

http://media.mlxxfc.net/butt sniffers.jpg

There are a lot of complaints about the video posted. Frankly, embedding the video was not the best move to make. The poor, toothless, uneducated, jackass who created the video does not deserve the hits we are sending his way. I went off on his comments - let the attacks come. I am ready with my flame-proof suit. Please - avoid the video at all costs...further, re-embedding it makes it all the much worse for wear.

Everyone - Please....

Having the video embedded here only serves to add fuel to the fire. I believe the video does not serve to do anything other than feed the frenzy already - on both sides. The video is only making fans on this site more angry than they already are. If you have a problem with the video, look it up on youtube and post comments on the poor guy's site like I did.

I honestly feel it is best left off this site.

They are so used to following they'd do this.....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nAGaPHVtH-...-off-cliff.jpg

I agree with everything Julie has said.

Here for you Fire Ball
 

Thank you. I agree. This site seems to be for positive, constructive feedback, and at times, when he hops on here, a dialogue with Meat and his fans, and I don't think that video served any valid purpose here. It's very easy to jump onto a bandwagon, in either direction, and we are here to support Meat and not act as childish and ridiculous as some of the haters. I'm not saying posting the video here did that, but it's easy to start throwing mud back. Is that what we want to do? Really?...

Yes, while we may be interested to see the videos posted by haters, but we have to be careful (IMO) to not respond back in a way that makes us just as bad and childish as they are.

Let's rise above it and remember what we are here for.
The Man.
Let's continue to support him and not get sucked into outside drivel.

:cheer::cheer::cheer:Here for you FIRE BALL :cheer::cheer::cheer:

I found Meat's video painful to watch. People should go hang themselves? Really?

When someones calling you the things i've seen on his facebook, and on these sites with the news articles, i dont blame him.

Wario, it shouldn't have been posted here

Nope...they're gonna rip a strip off him.

Having said that, Meat deserves to defend himself. He's been treated like a washed up person who is living off a 30 year old record.....Since none of this is true, but people are blindly believing it, I can see why Meat wants to set the record straight!

For the record: I'm perfectly alright with Meat setting the record straight and whatever; but the way he did it was, imo, cringe-worthy.

And I agree about him deserving to defend himself..... heck, I'd want to defend myself too, it hurts me, so I can only imagine how he feels about it!!

0.29 "They can also go hang themselves"

The bit about Bat was sped up and if you don't know that then you are lazy and you shouldn't have bought tickets. Sorry but this is not very welcoming. :roll:

5.39 "If I knew where they lived and that son of a bitch wanted his money back, I'd drive up to his front yard, give him his money back and tell him to stuff it."

:( :( :(

I didn't
M

Sorry Meat, do you mean you've not done yourself any favours or that you didn't say the things you're quoted as saying?

I guess it's easy in hindsight to realise this, but I don't blame you for wanting to defend yourself and set the record straight Meat. We are all on your side.

Carole

:up:

I didn't do my self any good, but you can all see how the tape was cut , they took things out of context and left out things , I talked more about the tour and the record ... not there... The Butt Smellers was about cyber bullies but the took that out. They just kept cutting the video.
Meat

I am going to get a press agent and release a apology to the fans of the AFL .
Meat

Far out, that's just plain rude.... just more sheep hey

I've said it before and I'll say it again - f**k 'em! Anyone who cares knows how these things work, an edit is far more "entertaining" than the truth.

Really can't see anyone paying a great deal of attention to this, you just keep doing what you do best...though maybe change your shirts over and over so they can't edit your videos!! :lol:

That's just typical Meat, they just wanted to make you look bad still. I don't suppose you have a copy of the full interview.

Carole

Don't waste your money on a press agent and don't worry about the apology. Your turn is over now. They have their sights set on the next Artist coming to town.:!:

Just want to say I am so proud to be among this group of fans who are so united behind a great man. Meat never deserved what he's been getting, and I am so proud that we have come together and defended him all over the net, especially on his facebook page where the fans have crushed the trollers. I love you guys.

The editing was glaringly obvious, just as the on-line article simply took odd words out of context. And no, you probably didn't do yourself any good, but it's hard to think what you can do right now. Campaigns like this, started by a few zenophobes and becoming a band-wagon that empty vessels jump on, are incredibly hard to fight and win, even if you have no feelings left about the issue; what you've been subjected to is appalling and must still be very raw :(

You know in your head what this was about and that it doesn't represent the majority of Australians, and certainly not those cheering thousands who DID go to your shows .. and imo the few who claimed to have been to shows and hated them probably hadn't been within hailing distance of one, let alone been in the audience. Any jackass can make claims on the net!

However hard it is, leave it behind you and do what you do so brilliantly in NZ. As to getting a press agent .. get a good one and seek their advice on timing and value as well. Bullies soon look for another target when the pay-off diminishes.

Try and hold in your heart that you entertained so many thousands who had a night they will always remember, and remember it to. I doubt you'll have lost a single fan who genuinely loves your music and the unique and wholly decent man you are. And they are the reason you were there.

We're not the whole reason you do what you do in my view .. you do it because you have been given a gift and the inner drive to use it to the best of your ability while you're on the planet. But we are the best reflection of it's infinite value ;) Try and keep that reflection in your view :-)

Caryl

I can't see how the tape was cut cause I can't see the tape. The tape that was posted here u dont want to see, it was cyber-bully bs. I've read the Aus news online print article, but where do I see the tv chopped interview? Anybody know what "news" site has it posted?

That just about sums it up for me, Juniper. Well said. :D

Sue

It's here, Juniper. Probably page 1, maybe 2. The cuts were as clear as you would make through a stick of softened butter!!

Sue

I think GDW may be right. It won't stop people from hitting your page, you tubes, create hate groups, and things of the like. Now that they exposed what drives you nuts....the trolls will harp on it and drive you more nuts. On top of that, the AFL fans don't seem to be a forgiving bunch, as I went toe to toe with them myself. Perhaps an apology to the AFL fans will give you some personal peace. Just my thoughts.

Thank you Dave !

:(

Very well said Carole ... I absolutely agree. We're here for you Meat.


:(

I hope it helps and you can finally put this behind you Meat. Take care.

I said in the other thread the people who say he can't sing any more should watch this video, I know it's youtube but it's a seriously good performance of rock and roll dreams here, not quite sure what date the show is from though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjegS...&feature=share

Yes, thank you, Dave. If only someone had a magic wand to banish everything inflammatory everywhere else. :(

Sue

The link (thank you!) takes me to an Aussie news site, but once there, the tape doesn't play. I guess it doesnt play outside of aus--or at least at my locale. No worries, i can only imagine it's chopped up.